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When I was very young (1940-50's) I spent time with my family in Jalisco on Rancho Calderón, which is reached by following the road between Zapotlanejo and Tepatitlán and leaving it about halfway, to reach the rancho which was pretty far from the highway. Rancho Calderón was in the Valle de Calderón and the adobe structures were quite ancient. I think I remember hearing that the main hacienda was built in the 1600's or 1700's. It was owned by the Romo (de Vivar) family but purchased in the early 20th century by Salvador Padilla. Salvador Padilla had married María Guadalupe "Lupe" Romo and purchased the failing rancho to "keep it in the family." Salvador and Lupe were probably born shortly after the turn of the century, since Lupe is still alive and in her late 90's. She was the daughter of Luis Romo (de Vivar), one of the sons of my GGGF José de los Santos Romo (de Vivar). I have no idea whether it was he or one of his sons who owned the rancho. In a sad turn of affairs, the rancho was seized by the government in the late 1900's and is now at the bottom of a reservoir. I see a big reservoir on the Google map, which is north of the highway and is long enough to fill the middle third of the distance between Zapotlanejo and Tepatitlán--but I'm not even sure if the rancho was north or south of the highway.
I am interested in any information anyone has about the history of the Rancho Calderón, because it may help me in my otherwise stymied research into the Romo de Vivar aka Romo family of Jalisco. It would also be interesting to find out the name of the new lake--probably Calderón, because it was the result of flooding the Valle de Calderón, but one can never assume.
Rancho Calderon
John:
Rancho Calderon is listed in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y Bibliografico de Mexico. You can find the link in under the Geography section in the LINKS section of the site. It is listed under "Calderon." Unfortunately, it has very little information, simply stating at it is an hacienda in the municipality of Zapotlanejo in the first Canton (Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The dictionary was published in 1870-1874.
There is an atlas published by the same man around the same time in which you might be able to find the rancho. You can find that atlas at the David Rumsey collection which is also in the links section under "Digital Map Collections" in the Geography Section.
Rancho Calderon
Hola Arturo Ramos, yo también tengo ancestros en el rancho de Calderón. El rancho se encuentra entre Zapotlanejo y Tepatitlán, Jalisco. No se si has escuchado en la historia de la Independencia de México se dice de la batalla del puente de Calderón, pues en ese rancho fue la batalla, todavía se encuentra el puente donde se libró dicha batalla.
Saludos.(*< jOrGe >*)> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 03:49:38 -0800> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon> > > John:> > Rancho Calderon is listed in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y Bibliografico de Mexico. You can find the link in under the Geography section in the LINKS section of the site. It is listed under "Calderon." Unfortunately, it has very little information, simply stating at it is an hacienda in the municipality of Zapotlanejo in the first Canton (Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The dictionary was published in 1870-1874.> > There is an atlas published by the same man around the same time in which you might be able to find the rancho. You can find that atlas at the David Rumsey collection which is also in the links section under "Digital Map Collections" in the Geography Section.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Rancho Calderon
¡Holá Jorge Luis!
Me dicen mis primos que la hacienda del Rancho Calderón ya se encuentra al
fondo de un lago artificial formado por la nueva Presa Calderón a través del
Riachuelo Calderón. Acabo de leer la historia de la batalla famosa del
Puente de Calderón, pero no sabía que dicha puente se encontraba en el
rancho de mis tíos. ¡Muy interesante! Me imagino que la hubiera conocido
durante mis visitas con la familia Padilla, pero ya no lo recuerdo.
¿Tus ancestros en el rancho fueron Romos? ¿O Padillas? ¿O dueños
anteriores?
Karr Wolfe Romo
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Hola Arturo Ramos, yo también tengo ancestros en el rancho de Calderón. El
rancho se encuentra entre Zapotlanejo y Tepatitlán, Jalisco. No se si has
escuchado en la historia de la Independencia de México se dice de la batalla
del puente de Calderón, pues en ese rancho fue la batalla, todavía se
encuentra el puente donde se libró dicha batalla.
Saludos.(*< jOrGe >*)> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From:
arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 03:49:38 -0800> Subject:
[Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon> > > John:> > Rancho Calderon is listed
in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y Bibliografico de Mexico. You can
find the link in under the Geography section in the LINKS section of the
site. It is listed under "Calderon." Unfortunately, it has very little
information, simply stating at it is an hacienda in the municipality of
Zapotlanejo in the first Canton (Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The
dictionary was published in 1870-1874.> > There is an atlas published by the
same man around the same time in which you might be able to find the rancho.
You can find that atlas at the David Rumsey collection which is also in the
links section under "Digital Map Collections" in the Geography Section.> --
Rancho Calderon
Mira Karr, mis ancestros del rancho de Calderón eran Gutiérrez y González, pero no he podido seguirles la línea. Además no se si eran dueños, casi no se nada de ellos. Al poco tiempo un hijo de estos ancestros se fueron a vivir otro rancho llamado La Mina.
Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
(*< jOrGe >*)> From: karrwolfe@comcast.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:20:38 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon> > ¡Holá Jorge Luis!> > > > Me dicen mis primos que la hacienda del Rancho Calderón ya se encuentra al> fondo de un lago artificial formado por la nueva Presa Calderón a través del> Riachuelo Calderón. Acabo de leer la historia de la batalla famosa del> Puente de Calderón, pero no sabía que dicha puente se encontraba en el> rancho de mis tíos. ¡Muy interesante! Me imagino que la hubiera conocido> durante mis visitas con la familia Padilla, pero ya no lo recuerdo.> > > > ¿Tus ancestros en el rancho fueron Romos? ¿O Padillas? ¿O dueños> anteriores?> > > > Karr Wolfe Romo> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Luis> Ramírez Gómez> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:29 AM> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon> > > > > > Hola Arturo Ramos, yo también tengo ancestros en el rancho de Calderón. El> rancho se encuentra entre Zapotlanejo y Tepatitlán, Jalisco. No se si has> escuchado en la historia de la Independencia de México se dice de la batalla> del puente de Calderón, pues en ese rancho fue la batalla, todavía se> encuentra el puente donde se libró dicha batalla.> > > > Saludos.(*< jOrGe >*)> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From:> arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 03:49:38 -0800> Subject:> [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon> > > John:> > Rancho Calderon is listed> in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y Bibliografico de Mexico. You can> find the link in under the Geography section in the LINKS section of the> site. It is listed under "Calderon." Unfortunately, it has very little> information, simply stating at it is an hacienda in the municipality of> Zapotlanejo in the first Canton (Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The> dictionary was published in 1870-1874.> > There is an atlas published by the> same man around the same time in which you might be able to find the rancho.> You can find that atlas at the David Rumsey collection which is also in the> links section under "Digital Map Collections" in the Geography Section.> --> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing> List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To> change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > _________________________________________________________________> > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!> > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > > > To post, send email to:> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > > > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Rancho Calderon
Pues, Jorge Luis, quizás te podré ayudar un poquito.
Don Salvador PADILLA compró el Rancho Calderón de la familia ROMO. Don
Salvador se había casado con María Guadalupe ROMO (n. 1911), hija del médico
Doctor Luis ROMO (n. 1875) y María Guadalupe GUTIÉRREZ (n. 1879). Durante
los años de la Revolución (1910-1920), los dueños del rancho decidieron
vender el rancho. Don Salvador quizo mantener la hacienda "en la familia" y
la compró para su esposa. Dr. Luis continuo practicando la medicina en
Guadalajara. María Guadalupe Romo GUTIÉRREZ murió en el año 1987 en
Guadalajara. Su hija, María Guadalupe PADILLA Romo, vive en México.
Supongo que Don Luis era el dueño del rancho al tiempo de la venta, pero no
he podido verificarlo. ¿Sería posible que tus ancestros decendieron de la
misma familia Gutiérrez?
Hay otra posibilidad: yo se que también habían aparceros en el rancho al
tiempo de la venta. Unos de ellos podría ser tu ancestro.
Karr
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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Luis
Ramírez Gómez
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:55 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon
Mira Karr, mis ancestros del rancho de Calderón eran Gutiérrez y González,
pero no he podido seguirles la línea. Además no se si eran dueños, casi no
se nada de ellos. Al poco tiempo un hijo de estos ancestros se fueron a
vivir otro rancho llamado La Mina.
Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
(*< jOrGe >*)> From: karrwolfe@comcast.net> To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:20:38 -0600> Subject:
Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon> > ¡Holá Jorge Luis!> > > > Me dicen
mis primos que la hacienda del Rancho Calderón ya se encuentra al> fondo de
un lago artificial formado por la nueva Presa Calderón a través del>
Riachuelo Calderón. Acabo de leer la historia de la batalla famosa del>
Puente de Calderón, pero no sabía que dicha puente se encontraba en el>
rancho de mis tíos. ¡Muy interesante! Me imagino que la hubiera conocido>
durante mis visitas con la familia Padilla, pero ya no lo recuerdo.> > > >
¿Tus ancestros en el rancho fueron Romos? ¿O Padillas? ¿O dueños>
anteriores?> > > > Karr Wolfe Romo> > > > -----Original Message-----> From:
research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Luis>
Ramírez Gómez> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:29 AM> To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho
Calderon> > > > > > Hola Arturo Ramos, yo también tengo ancestros en el
rancho de Calderón. El> rancho se encuentra entre Zapotlanejo y Tepatitlán,
Jalisco. No se si has> escuchado en la historia de la Independencia de
México se dice de la batalla> del puente de Calderón, pues en ese rancho fue
la batalla, todavía se> encuentra el puente donde se libró dicha batalla.> >
> > Saludos.(*< jOrGe >*)> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From:>
arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 03:49:38 -0800> Subject:>
[Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon> > > John:> > Rancho Calderon is listed>
in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y Bibliografico de Mexico. You can>
find the link in under the Geography section in the LINKS section of the>
site. It is listed under "Calderon." Unfortunately, it has very little>
information, simply stating at it is an hacienda in the municipality of>
Zapotlanejo in the first Canton (Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The>
dictionary was published in 1870-1874.> > There is an atlas published by
the> same man around the same time in which you might be able to find the
rancho.> You can find that atlas at the David Rumsey collection which is
also in the> links section under "Digital Map Collections" in the Geography
Section.> --> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos
Research Mailing> List> > To post, send email to:>
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Rancho Calderon
Hola quisiera saber si tienen la informacion de los hijos de Maria Guadalupe Romo Gutierrez aparte de su hija del mismo nombre, ya que quiero constatar una informacion que yo tengo.
Saben si tuvo una hija llamada Ana Maria Padilla casada con el actor de cine Roberto Cañedo?
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Rancho Calderon
¡Holá! Qué lástima que tengo que avisarte que mi tía María Guadalupe Romo
Gutiérrez y su esposo Dr. Luis Romo (de Vivar) Pedroza tenían solamente dos
hijas, y ninguna se llamaba Ana María: la hija María Guadalupe Vda. de
Padilla vive en Mexico con su hija del mismo nombre, y la otra hija,
Clotilde, ya murió (?año).
Karr Wolfe Romo
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Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:48 AM
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Hola quisiera saber si tienen la informacion de los hijos de Maria Guadalupe
Romo Gutierrez aparte de su hija del mismo nombre, ya que quiero constatar
una informacion que yo tengo.
Saben si tuvo una hija llamada Ana Maria Padilla casada con el actor de cine
Roberto Cañedo?
Rancho Calderon, Jalisco
Thank you so much for the hints! It is very helpful to know that the Rancho
Calderón existed in the 1870's. I think I have roughly located the original
site of the hacienda--now at the bottom of the artificial lake formed by the
Presa Calderón just outside of Zatpotlanejo. Maybe I can scrape up a
long-lost Mexican relative and start tracing the ownership of the hacienda.
Most of my Mexican relatives came from that regionEncarnación, Ocotlán
(where my mother and her grandfather were born), Tepatitlán (where her
father was born), and Guadalajara.
I found the atlas you mentioned. Interesting! The older maps had
Tepatitlán southeast of Zapotlanejo, and it is actually northeast. Also,
the whole area, including the new lake and the city of Zabpotlanejo, is now
in the Region of Acatic. Im beginning to get the hang of this
overlapping of regions, and the changing boundaries, but it makes things
pretty confusing.
I did some interesting reading about the famous battle at the Bridge over
the Río Calderón, where the Royalists routed Hidalgos army in 1810 and
delayed Mexican independence for 10 more years. It took place not far from
my familys hacienda.
Thanks again for the help.
Karr Wolfe
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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of arturoramos
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:50 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon
John:
Rancho Calderon is listed in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y
Bibliografico de Mexico. You can find the link in under the Geography
section in the LINKS section of the site. It is listed under "Calderon."
Unfortunately, it has very little information, simply stating at it is an
hacienda in the municipality of Zapotlanejo in the first Canton
(Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The dictionary was published in
1870-1874.
There is an atlas published by the same man around the same time in which
you might be able to find the rancho. You can find that atlas at the David
Rumsey collection which is also in the links section under "Digital Map
Collections" in the Geography Section.
Rancho Calderon, Jalisco
Let me get to my sofa and call you. On way back from doc :-)
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From: "Karr"
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:38:59
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon, Jalisco
Thank you so much for the hints! It is very helpful to know that the Rancho
Calderón existed in the 1870's. I think I have roughly located the original
site of the hacienda--now at the bottom of the artificial lake formed by the
Presa Calderón just outside of Zatpotlanejo. Maybe I can scrape up a
long-lost Mexican relative and start tracing the ownership of the hacienda.
Most of my Mexican relatives came from that region—Encarnación, Ocotlán
(where my mother and her grandfather were born), Tepatitlán (where her
father was born), and Guadalajara.
I found the atlas you mentioned. Interesting! The older maps had
Tepatitlán southeast of Zapotlanejo, and it is actually northeast. Also,
the whole area, including the new lake and the city of Zabpotlanejo, is now
in the “Region of Acatic.” I’m beginning to get the hang of this
overlapping of regions, and the changing boundaries, but it makes things
pretty confusing.
I did some interesting reading about the famous battle at the Bridge over
the Río Calderón, where the Royalists routed Hidalgo’s army in 1810 and
delayed Mexican independence for 10 more years. It took place not far from
my family’s hacienda.
Thanks again for the help.
Karr Wolfe
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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of arturoramos
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:50 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon
John:
Rancho Calderon is listed in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y
Bibliografico de Mexico. You can find the link in under the Geography
section in the LINKS section of the site. It is listed under "Calderon."
Unfortunately, it has very little information, simply stating at it is an
hacienda in the municipality of Zapotlanejo in the first Canton
(Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The dictionary was published in
1870-1874.
There is an atlas published by the same man around the same time in which
you might be able to find the rancho. You can find that atlas at the David
Rumsey collection which is also in the links section under "Digital Map
Collections" in the Geography Section.
Rancho Calderon, Jalisco
Sorry guys responded to an incorrect e-mail!! :-)
Just in case you are wondering... Am on treatment for herniated discs :-)
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:43:56
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon, Jalisco
Let me get to my sofa and call you. On way back from doc :-)
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From: "Karr"
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:38:59
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon, Jalisco
Thank you so much for the hints! It is very helpful to know that the Rancho
Calderón existed in the 1870's. I think I have roughly located the original
site of the hacienda--now at the bottom of the artificial lake formed by the
Presa Calderón just outside of Zatpotlanejo. Maybe I can scrape up a
long-lost Mexican relative and start tracing the ownership of the hacienda.
Most of my Mexican relatives came from that region—Encarnación, Ocotlán
(where my mother and her grandfather were born), Tepatitlán (where her
father was born), and Guadalajara.
I found the atlas you mentioned. Interesting! The older maps had
Tepatitlán southeast of Zapotlanejo, and it is actually northeast. Also,
the whole area, including the new lake and the city of Zabpotlanejo, is now
in the “Region of Acatic.” I’m beginning to get the hang of this
overlapping of regions, and the changing boundaries, but it makes things
pretty confusing.
I did some interesting reading about the famous battle at the Bridge over
the Río Calderón, where the Royalists routed Hidalgo’s army in 1810 and
delayed Mexican independence for 10 more years. It took place not far from
my family’s hacienda.
Thanks again for the help.
Karr Wolfe
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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of arturoramos
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:50 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho Calderon
John:
Rancho Calderon is listed in the Diccionario Geografico Historio y
Bibliografico de Mexico. You can find the link in under the Geography
section in the LINKS section of the site. It is listed under "Calderon."
Unfortunately, it has very little information, simply stating at it is an
hacienda in the municipality of Zapotlanejo in the first Canton
(Guadalajara) of the state of Jalisco. The dictionary was published in
1870-1874.
There is an atlas published by the same man around the same time in which
you might be able to find the rancho. You can find that atlas at the David
Rumsey collection which is also in the links section under "Digital Map
Collections" in the Geography Section.