Hi! I have a connection with Tello De Orozco in one of the older branches of my tree.
Salvador Thello De Orozco married Petra Guadalupe De Leon Aguirre. Don´t have his parents and don´t know why, long time ago I extracted this data so don´t remember. Anyways, this marriage took place in Ayotlán, Jal. on february 15, 1779, batch M604478, film 0280788.
Greetings from Leticia Leon
Jose Rafael Trillo Tello
I have a Jose Rafael Trillo Tello, who was Christened on 31 Oct 1779, SANTA MARIA DE GUADALUPE, ARANDAS, JALISCO, MEXICO. His mother was Maria De Jesus Tello De Orozco, who married a Juan Joseph Nepomuceno Trillo, on 25 FEB 1769, in San Agustin, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico. I wonder if they are cousins.
I've also have seen variations in the spelling of the surname Tello as Theyo and Thello.
Francisco Escobar
Jose Rafael Trillo Tello
I have a Jose Rafael Trillo Tello, who was Christened on 31 Oct 1779, SANTA MARIA DE GUADALUPE, ARANDAS, JALISCO, MEXICO. His mother was Maria De Jesus Tello De Orozco, who married a Juan Joseph Nepomuceno Trillo, on 25 FEB 1769, in San Agustin, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico. I wonder if they are cousins.
I've also have seen variations in the spelling of the surname Tello as Theyo and Thello.
Francisco Escobar
Thello De Orozco, Greetings to Leticia Leon
Saturday, July 26, 2008
Dear Leticia--
What an interesting and perhaps complicated question
you have asked in wanting to know who were the parents
of Salvador THELLO de OROZCO.
................
Hi! I have a connection with Tello De Orozco in one
of the older branches of my tree.
Salvador Thello De Orozco married Petra Guadalupe De
Leon Aguirre. Don´t have his parents and don´t know
why, long time ago I extracted this data so don´t
remember. Anyways, this marriage took place in
Ayotlán, Jal. on february 15, 1779, batch M604478,
film 0280788.
Greetings from Leticia Leon
................
I did not have a date for his marriage to Petra
Guadalupe de LEON nor her parents. I had figured out
they married about 1779 because I had their first son
listed as Jose Maria OROSCO, born about 1780 in
Pesadumbre, Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco.
Jose Maria OROSCO married Juana Maria de La Luz NUNO
on 15 Jan 1801 in Atotonilco el Alto and had a child
named Jose Apolinar ORSOCO born 23 Jul 1804 in
Estanco, Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco.
In my notes about "Juan Salvador de OROZCO", who
married Petra Guadalupe de LEON, I asked myself was it
possible that he was born Salvador, son of Juan Manuel
(TELLO DE OROSCO) and Maria Guadalupe VALENCIA and was
baptized on 6 Jan 1745 in Ayo el Chico? I asked was
he married previously?
For Salvador OROSCO, baptized 6 Jan 1745 in Ayo el
Chico and born previously in Las Cruces, Ayo el Chico,
I have that he married 2 Mar 1767 in Ayo el Chico to
Franca. Xabiera AVILA, daughter of Bartolome AVILA and
Catharina ARCEO. I do not have any children listed
for this couple and since I did not have the marriage
date and information for "Juan Salvador de OROZCO", I
could not see if he were a widower.
Salvador (and this may be the same person you are
asking about) was the third child of Juan Manuel TELLO
Y OROSCO who was born 13 May 1722 in Rancho de San
Francisco, Ayo el Chico and Maria de Gaudalupe
BALENCIA born 11 Aug 1722 in Rancho de San Francisco,
Ayo el Chico.
I have the marriage date of about 1741 for Juan Manuel
TELLO y OROSCO (son of Joseph Manuel OROSCO and Juana
Gertrudis MASSIAS BALADES married 19 Feb 1719 in
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes) and Maria de Guadalupe
BALENCIA (daughter of Christobal BALENCIA and Maria
SANCHES m. 22 Jun 1721 in Ayo el Chico.)
My husband is related to child #1 of Juan Manuel TELLO
y OROSCO and Maria de Guadalupe BALENCIA. His name
was Juan Manuel TELLO born 22 Jan 1742 in Ayo el Chico
and his first wife Anna de la LUZ RAMIRES.
In regards to Petra Guadalupe de Leon (born about 1759
in Paso de Piedra, widow of "Juan Salvador de OROZCO",
I show her marrying a second time to Luis Antonio
FERNANDES on 7 Feb 1796 in Atotonilco el Alto. This
second marriage is on Microfilm #222,189. She was
listed as an espanola. She had been a widow for six
months. Additionally I have also seen her name as
Guadalupe COZ Y LEON.
In regards to the second husband of Petra Guadalupe de
Leon, Luis Antonio FERNANDES, my notes say he had:
1. First marriage to Maria Francisca de RINA?
2. Second marriage record on Microfilm #222,189 says
he was listed as an espanol from Pesadumbre. He had
been the husband of Maria Francisca de RINA?,who was
buried in San Sebastian de la cuidad de Guanato.
(Guanajuato?). The second wife was Ma. Michaela
Geronima FLORES baptized 12 Oct 1755 in Atotonilco el
Alto and her padrinos were Pedro Rafael SEPULVEDA y su
mujer Maria del Carmen NUNEZ.
Maria Michaela Geronima FLORES was the daughter of
Juachin FLORES born 16 Mar 1720 in Juajes, Atotonilco
el Alto and Dona Rosa Maria de ARIAS born about 1725.
Dona Rosa Maria de ARIAS was the daughter of Mathias
ARIAS Maldonado who married 22 Feb 1699 in Tepatitlan
de Morelos. Mathias' father was Joseph ARIAS
MALDONADO of Tlazazalca, Michoacan and Brigida
BUSTAMANTE y CERVANTES of Jiquilpan, Michoacan.
FLORES is another line that my husband has and Ma.
Michaela Geronima FLORES is a G X ?? aunt of his.
Her marriage record on Microfilm #222,189, showing the
date of 21 May 1794 in Atotonilco el Alto and says she
was an espanola del Paso de Piedra. Her father,
Juaquin FLORES, was dead but her mother, Maria Rosa
MALDONADO, was living. Unfortunately, Michaela died
in Sep 1795 at the age of about 40 years.
3. Third marriage record on Microfilm #222,189 for
Luis Antonio FERNANDES says he was an espanol and had
been a widower for eight months. He would marry Petra
Guadalupe de LEON on 7 Feb 1796 in Atotonilco el Alto.
While this might seem like too much information, I am
trying to leave you with lots of things to investigate
as I am going off line for a time.
Yours was a very helpful email because I got the
needed marriage date for "Juan Salvador de OROZCO" and
Petra Guadalupe de LEON. It also showed me that these
two connected municipios of Ayo el Chico and
Atotonilco el Alto had a good exchange of people going
from one to another.
Also, there are two ways to go from Ayo el Chico
(since 1982 called Ayotlan) and Atotonilco el Alto.
The northern route is over mountainous terrain but
going the back way, to the south is flat land, if one
goes via Santa Rita and passes by/through the
municipio of La Barca, Jalisco.
Best of luck in your research and I hope I have been
helpful to you.
Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.
DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
This message is for all members of Nuestros Ranchos.
I am currently looking for the link between Geronimo de Orosco married to
Doña Angela Temiño de Velasco, and his namesake Dr. Geronimo de Orosco y
Lerma, Gobernador y Capitan General de la Nueva Galicia and President of the
Real Audiencia de Guadalajara in 1574.
I read that the Geronimo de Orosco who married Doña Angela de Velasco was a
descendant of Alberto de Orosco, first cousin of Geronimo de Orosco y Lerma.
Doña Angela de Velasco was a great granddaughter of Hernan Flores de la
Torre, Conquistador de la Nueva Galicia, and his wife Maria Alvarez de la
Torre. Is anyone familiar with the pedigree of Dr. Geronimo de Orosco y
Lerma? Any thoughts on the link between Alberto de Orosco and his first
cousin Geronimo de Orosco? Any help will be appreciated.
Bill Figueroa
DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Who are the parents of Angela Tremino de Valasco and who were her parents' parents?
Thank you.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
> This message is for all members of Nuestros Ranchos.
>
> I am currently looking for the link between Geronimo de Orosco married to
> Doña Angela Temiño de Velasco, and his namesake Dr. Geronimo de Orosco y
> Lerma, Gobernador y Capitan General de la Nueva Galicia and President of the
> Real Audiencia de Guadalajara in 1574.
>
> I read that the Geronimo de Orosco who married Doña Angela de Velasco was a
> descendant of Alberto de Orosco, first cousin of Geronimo de Orosco y Lerma.
> Doña Angela de Velasco was a great granddaughter of Hernan Flores de la
> Torre, Conquistador de la Nueva Galicia, and his wife Maria Alvarez de la
> Torre. Is anyone familiar with the pedigree of Dr. Geronimo de Orosco y
> Lerma? Any thoughts on the link between Alberto de Orosco and his first
> cousin Geronimo de Orosco? Any help will be appreciated.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Esther,
The parents of Angela Temiño de Velasco were Juan Ramírez de la Campaña and Francisca Temiño de Velasco. She used her mother's surname. I don't know who her paternal grandparents were, but her maternal grandparents were Diego Flores de la Torre (second Encomendero of Juchipila) and Angela de Velasco.
Do you have any info. on this family?
Bill Figueroa
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From:
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Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Who are the parents of Angela Tremino de Valasco and who were her parents' parents?
Thank you.
--
Esther A. Herold
DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
I was looking for information of Diego Temino de Velasco who was also know as Diego Trevino de Velasco. I do not have information on this family. Diego was in Cartegena before 1537. Francisca Alcocer his wife arrived after 1537 with their children which included Baltasar Banuelos. Banuelos was a family name of an ancestor.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
> Esther,
> The parents of Angela Temiño de Velasco were Juan Ramírez de la Campaña and Francisca Temiño de Velasco. She used her mother's surname. I don't know who her paternal grandparents were, but her maternal grandparents were Diego Flores
> de la Torre (second Encomendero of Juchipila) and Angela de Velasco.
>
> Do you have any info. on this family?
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>
> Who are the parents of Angela Tremino de Valasco and who were her parents'
> parents?
>
> Thank you.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Doña Angela de Velasco (married to Gerónimo de Orosco) was a resident of Aguascalientes. They owned the Hacienda de San Gerónimo, I believe in the Jurisdiction of Teocaltiche. Her ancestors were:
Parents: Juan Ramírez de la Campaña
Francisca Temiño de Velasco
Grandparents: Diego Flores de la Torre (2nd. Encomendero de Juchipila)
(maternal) Angela de Velasco
G1 Grandparents Pedro Pacho Rodríguez (Conquistador) (The surname Pacho evolved into Pacheco)
(maternal) María Ana de Velasco y Temiño de Bañuelos
G2 Grandparents Diego de Velasco Alcide de Temiño
(maternal) Francisca de Alcocer (see below)
G3 Grandparents Bernardino Fernández de Velasco
(paternal) María Enríquez Sarmiento
The parents of Francisca de Alcocer were Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer y Bañuelos.
Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos (Conquistador) was a brother of María Ana de Velasco y Temiño de Bañuelos. He was born ca. 1568 in Zacatecas and married María de Zaldívar y Mendoza.
Bill Figueroa
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>I was looking for information of Diego Temino de Velasco who was also know as Diego Trevino de Velasco. I do not have information on this family. Diego was in Cartegena before 1537. Francisca Alcocer his wife arrived after 1537 with their children which included Baltasar Banuelos. Banuelos was a family name of an ancestor.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
> -------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
>
>
>> Esther,
>> The parents of Angela Temiño de Velasco were Juan Ramírez de la Campaña and Francisca Temiño de Velasco. She used her mother's surname. I don't know who her paternal grandparents were, but her maternal grandparents were Diego Flores
>> de la Torre (second Encomendero of Juchipila) and Angela de Velasco.
>>
>> Do you have any info. on this family?
>>
>> Bill Figueroa
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> To:
>> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>>
>> Who are the parents of Angela Tremino de Valasco and who were her parents'
>> parents?
>>
>> Thank you.
>> --
>> Esther A. Herold
DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco was childless. His brother Inigo inheirted this title and lands. Illegitimate children in that family did inherit titles.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
Doña Angela de Velasco (married to Gerónimo de Orosco) was a resident of Aguascalientes. They owned the Hacienda de San Gerónimo, I believe in the
> Jurisdiction of Teocaltiche. Her ancestors were:
>
> Parents: Juan Ramírez de la Campaña
> Francisca Temiño de Velasco
> Grandparents: Diego Flores de la Torre (2nd. Encomendero de
> Juchipila)
> (maternal) Angela de Velasco
> G1 Grandparents Pedro Pacho Rodríguez (Conquistador) (The
> surname Pacho evolved into Pacheco)
> (maternal) María Ana de Velasco y Temiño de Bañuelos
>
> G2 Grandparents Diego de Velasco Alcide de Temiño
> (maternal) Francisca de Alcocer (see below)
>
> G3 Grandparents Bernardino Fernández de Velasco
> (paternal) María Enríquez Sarmiento
> The parents of Francisca de Alcocer were Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer y
> Bañuelos.
> Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos (Conquistador) was a brother of María Ana de
> Velasco y Temiño de Bañuelos. He was born ca. 1568 in Zacatecas and married
> María de Zaldívar y Mendoza.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>
>
> >I was looking for information of Diego Temino de Velasco who was also know as
> Diego Trevino de Velasco. I do not have information on this family. Diego was
> in Cartegena before 1537. Francisca Alcocer his wife arrived after 1537 with
> their children which included Baltasar Banuelos. Banuelos was a family name of
> an ancestor.
> > --
> > Esther A. Herold
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" :
> --------------
> >
> >
> >> Esther,
> >> The parents of Angela Temiño de Velasco were Juan Ramírez de la Campaña
> and Francisca Temiño de Velasco. She used her mother's surname. I don't know
> who her paternal grandparents were, but her maternal grandparents were Diego
> Flores
> >> de la Torre (second Encomendero of Juchipila) and Angela de Velasco.
> >>
> >> Do you have any info. on this family?
> >>
> >> Bill Figueroa
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From:
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:54 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
> >>
> >> Who are the parents of Angela Tremino de Valasco and who were her parents'
> >> parents?
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >> --
> >> Esther A. Herold
> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Para la información de todos ustedes, estoy en este momento en el museo de Tepatitlán Jalisco. El libro de don Mariano González Leal "Retoños de la Nueva España tomo I y tomo II, los tienen de venta en este mismo lugar. Acabo de platicar con el editor y dice que tiene la cantidad que le pidan.
El nombre del editor es Francisco Alcalá, su número directo es: (378) 782-4277.
Su domicilio electrónico es consejodecronistasalcala@hotmail.com
For the information of you all, I am right now at the museum of Tepatitlán Jalisco.
They have for sale the book of Mariano González Leal "Retoños de la Nueva España." editions I and II.
I am talking to the editor, he says that he has any amount avalaible for sale.
The editor´s name is Francisco Alcalá. His direct telephone number is: (378) 7982 - 4277. If you call from the U.S or Canada, you dial (011) (52) first than the city code 378. His email is: consejodecronistasalcala@hotmail.com
Thank you
Juan Ramón Alvarez
--- On Wed, 8/20/08, eaherold@att.net wrote:
From: eaherold@att.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 3:14 PM
Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco was childless. His brother Inigo inheirted this
title and lands. Illegitimate children in that family did inherit titles.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa"
: --------------
Doña Angela de Velasco (married to Gerónimo de Orosco) was a resident of
Aguascalientes. They owned the Hacienda de San Gerónimo, I believe in the
> Jurisdiction of Teocaltiche. Her ancestors were:
>
> Parents: Juan Ramírez de la Campaña
> Francisca Temiño de Velasco
> Grandparents: Diego Flores de la Torre (2nd. Encomendero de
> Juchipila)
> (maternal) Angela de Velasco
> G1 Grandparents Pedro Pacho Rodríguez (Conquistador) (The
> surname Pacho evolved into Pacheco)
> (maternal) María Ana de Velasco y Temiño de Bañuelos
>
> G2 Grandparents Diego de Velasco Alcide de Temiño
> (maternal) Francisca de Alcocer (see below)
>
> G3 Grandparents Bernardino Fernández de Velasco
> (paternal) María Enríquez Sarmiento
> The parents of Francisca de Alcocer were Pedro de León and Beatriz de
Alcocer y
> Bañuelos.
> Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos (Conquistador) was a brother of María Ana
de
> Velasco y Temiño de Bañuelos. He was born ca. 1568 in Zacatecas and
married
> María de Zaldívar y Mendoza.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>
>
> >I was looking for information of Diego Temino de Velasco who was also
know as
> Diego Trevino de Velasco. I do not have information on this family. Diego
was
> in Cartegena before 1537. Francisca Alcocer his wife arrived after 1537
with
> their children which included Baltasar Banuelos. Banuelos was a family
name of
> an ancestor.
> > --
> > Esther A. Herold
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" :
> --------------
> >
> >
> >> Esther,
> >> The parents of Angela Temiño de Velasco were Juan Ramírez de la
Campaña
> and Francisca Temiño de Velasco. She used her mother's surname. I
don't know
> who her paternal grandparents were, but her maternal grandparents were
Diego
> Flores
> >> de la Torre (second Encomendero of Juchipila) and Angela de
Velasco.
> >>
> >> Do you have any info. on this family?
> >>
> >> Bill Figueroa
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From:
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:54 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
> >>
> >> Who are the parents of Angela Tremino de Valasco and who were her
parents'
> >> parents?
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >> --
> >> Esther A. Herold
> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> >>
> >> To post, send email to:
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> >>
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> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Iñigo Fernández de Velasco inherited lands and the title of Duque de Frías. If his brother Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, who married María Enríquez Sarmiento, was childless, then who were the parents of Diego Temiño de Velasco? Please explain.
Bill Figueroa
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From:
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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco was childless. His brother Inigo inheirted this title and lands. Illegitimate children in that family did inherit titles.
--
Esther A. Herold
DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Bill,
To find the parents of Diego you have to begin in Seville, where they were born.
See this url :http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/archivo/origen/monte.htm
It explains about the relationship of Francisca Alcocer and Beatriz Alcocer, who were sisters.
The information on Saavedra is also in the 'Encomenderos of New Spain 1521-155' by Robert Himmerich y Valencia.
Bernardino was married
Blanca de Herrera, señora de Pedraza de la Sierra
Juana of Aragon, illegitimate daughter of Ferdinand II of Aragon.
Source
Duques de Frías(in Portuguese
Bernardino I Fernández de Velasco
De Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
(Redirigido desde Bernardino Fernández de Velasco (III Conde de Haro))
Saltar a navegación, búsqueda
Bernardino I Fernández de Velasco y Mendoza (1454 - 1512), 3º conde de Haro, 7º condestable de Castilla, miembro del triunvirato con el Cardenal Cisneros y con Pedro Manrique III de Lara, 1º Duque de Nájera que aconsejaba desde 1506 a la Reina Juana I de Castilla "La Loca".
Casó en primeras nupcias en 1472 con Blanca de Herrera, viuda y única heredera, siendo dote de casamiento el castillo y la villa de Pedraza. De este matrimonio nacieron Ana, que casaría con Alvaro Pimentel y Pacheco, 5º Conde de Benavente y Pedro (muerto al nacer).
Este castillo de los Herrera, mariscales de Castilla sin línea masculina que emparentarían con los Fernández de Córdoba, los Velasco y otras altas familias y que serían Gobernadores - Conquistadores en Canarias, esto sería después de la derrota de Francisco I de Francia en Pavía el 25 de febrero de 1525, el "albergue" de dos hijos de Francisco I, tomados como rehenes por Carlos I de España, hasta el reconocimiento por el Rey de Francia del aplastante predominio hispano en Italia que se deduciría del subsiguiente Tratado de Madrid.
Casó nuevamente con Juana de Aragón y Ruiz de Ivorra, hija ilegítima de Fernando II de Aragón "El Católico" y hermana uterina del Arzobispo de Zaragoza Alonso de Aragón y Ruiz de Ivorra, teniendo de ella una hija y heredera legítima cerca de 1508, llamada Juliana Angélica, protegida por un Consejo Tutorial y que acabaría siendo casada en 1512 con su primo carnal Pedro, hijo del hermano sucesor de Bernardino Iñigo I.
El 20 de marzo de 1492, los Reyes Católicos lo hicieron 1ºDuque de Frías. El Ducado aparece en fondos documentales editados sobre la Conquista de Granada en protocolos en árabe y en castellano que todavía existen.
Herencia [editar]
Tras su muerte, sin haber dejado descendencia masculina, su título de Duque de Frías pasó a su hermano Iñigo Fernández de Velasco y Mendoza. Tras la muerte de Blanca de Herrera, su 1ª mujer, la villa de Pedraza pasó también a manos de Íñigo en vez de a Ana Fernández de Velasco y de Herrera, la hija de ambos del 1º matrimonio de Bernardino I. El marido de Ana, Álvaro Pimentel y de Pacheco, 5º Conde de Benavente, se enfrentó violentamente a Iñigo en 1512 reclamando los derechos de su esposa, sin conseguirlo.
Juliana Angélica al fallecer su padre, con solo 4 años de edad heredó cuantiosos bienes adquiridos de su industriosidad personal con sus banqueros conversos y agentes marítimos en San Vicente de la Barquera, Laredo y San Sebastián y de la Renta de los diezmos del mar.
Bernardino I había redactado provisiones en caso de su fallecimiento sin sucesión masculina, para que heredaran también sus 4 bastardos varones extramatrimoniales reconocidos, Pedro, Juan, Bernardino y Pedro Suarez. Tratando así de protegerlos de la rapacidad de su hermano menor Iñigo, llamado a heredar el status señorial y familiar, y que estaba casado con una Maria de Tovar, de Berlanga de Duero, a quien parece que debía muchas fincas y dineros.
Los presagios de Bernardino se desbocaron a la muerte del abuelo materno, el rey Fernando II de Aragón en 1516.
En 1520, se casó a Juliana Angélica, con tan solo unos 12 años, con el heredero e hijo primogénito del hermano sucesor Iñigo, su primo de más de 25 años de edad Pedro Fernández IV de Velasco, 3º Duque de Frías, pese a los pleitos de uno de los tutores honestos (un Arellano riojano de Los Cameros) y las reclamaciones judiciales del hijo Pedro a su padre Iñigo, para que se le entregara la niña Juliana Angélica y así poder consumar su matrimonio cuando Angélica tuviera la edad legal.
Obtenido de "http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardino_I_Fern%C3%A1ndez_de_Velasco"
--
Esther A. Herold
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Iñigo Fernández de Velasco inherited lands and the title of Duque de Frías. If his brother Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, who married María Enríquez Sarmiento, was childless, then who were the parents of Diego Temiño de Velasco?
> Please explain.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>
> Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco was childless. His brother Inigo inheirted this
> title and lands. Illegitimate children in that family did inherit titles.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Hi Esther,
I read the document included in your last email concerning Don Bernardino
Fernández de Velasco, first Duque de Frías, which apparently comes from a
reliable source. It has no information about a son named Diego de Velasco,
Alcalde de Temiño (aka Diego de Temiño de Velasco, or Diego Temiño de
Velasco). I find this very disturbing and wonder if the Condestable de
Castilla Don Bernardino Fernández de Velasco mentioned in Mariano González
Leal "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" [Tomo II, Esquema Genealógico
Número 6] is the same person. The description in Wikipedia states that
Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, 3er. Conde de Haro and 7o. Condestable de
Castilla, had no male descendants, consequently his title of Duque de Frías
was inherited by his brother Iñigo Fernández de Velasco. It also mentions
that in his final will and testament he made provisions for the inheritance
of his four illegitimate sons Pedro, Juan, Bernardino and Pedro Suárez,
all of whom he recognized. Was Diego Temiño de Velasco another illegitimate
child not recognized by Don Bernardino? I would like to read his final will
and testament, which apparently is available for the source you mentioned
earlier.
I also think that it would be appropriate to ask Dr. Mariano González Leal
for his source to link Diego Temiño de Velasco to Bernardino Fernández de
Velasco. We need to get to the bottom of this in order to make the
necessary corrections in our databases. Another sore point is the
connection that links Diego de Treviño (who married Beatriz de Quintanilla
in 1563) to Diego Temiño de Velasco and Francisca de Alcocer. They seem to
be totally different families. Do you know of any information that supports
this claim?
Since we have drifted from my original question about Don Gerónimo de Orosco
y Lerma, I decided to change the subject to Diego Temiño de Velasco. I hope
someone in the group will be able to provide the information we need.
Bill Figueroa
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Bill,
To find the parents of Diego you have to begin in Seville, where they were
born.
See this url :http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/archivo/origen/monte.htm
It explains about the relationship of Francisca Alcocer and Beatriz Alcocer,
who were sisters.
The information on Saavedra is also in the 'Encomenderos of New Spain
1521-155' by Robert Himmerich y Valencia.
Bernardino was married
Blanca de Herrera, señora de Pedraza de la Sierra
Juana of Aragon, illegitimate daughter of Ferdinand II of Aragon.
Source
Duques de Frías(in Portuguese
Bernardino I Fernández de Velasco
De Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
(Redirigido desde Bernardino Fernández de Velasco (III Conde de Haro))
Saltar a navegación, búsqueda
Bernardino I Fernández de Velasco y Mendoza (1454 - 1512), 3º conde de Haro,
7º Condestable de Castilla, miembro del triunvirato con el Cardenal Cisneros
y con Pedro Manrique III de Lara, 1º Duque de Nájera que aconsejaba desde
1506 a la Reina Juana I de Castilla "La Loca".
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
This is the travel document for Francisca Alcoer and her children from the archives in Spain. Francisca died in Guadalajara. In Guerillmo Garamedia's Leal's extractions of Gudalajara Tomo I available at San Antonio online bookstore Borderland Books:
ES.41091.AGI/1.16419//PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4940
Titulo Nombre atribuido:
DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER
Fecha Creación:
1538-06-13 -
Nivel de Descripción:
Unidad Documental Simple
ÁREA DE CONTENIDO Y ESTRUCTURA
Alcance y Contenido:
DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER, mujer de Velazco de Treviño, y su hijo Alonso de Velazco y Diego y Baltasar, a Cartagena.
ÁREA DE CONDICIONES DE ACCESO Y UTILIZACIÓN
Índices de Descripción:
Alcocer, Francisca de
Cartagena de Indias
Treviño, Velasco de
Velasco de Treviño Alcocer, Baltasar
Velazco, Alonso de
Velazco de Treviño de Alcocer, Diego
Instrumentos de Descripción:
Descripción incluida en CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS. VOLUMEN II (1535-1538)
ÁREA DE DOCUMENTACIÓN ASOCIADA
Unidades Relacionadas por Procedencia:
CONTRATACION,5536,L.5,F.111v
ÁREA DE CONTROL DE LA DESCRIPCIÓN
Fecha de la Descripción:
2004-05-31
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
> Hi Esther,
>
> I read the document included in your last email concerning Don Bernardino
> Fernández de Velasco, first Duque de Frías, which apparently comes from a
> reliable source. It has no information about a son named Diego de Velasco,
> Alcalde de Temiño (aka Diego de Temiño de Velasco, or Diego Temiño de
> Velasco). I find this very disturbing and wonder if the Condestable de
> Castilla Don Bernardino Fernández de Velasco mentioned in Mariano González
> Leal "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" [Tomo II, Esquema Genealógico
> Número 6] is the same person. The description in Wikipedia states that
> Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, 3er. Conde de Haro and 7o. Condestable de
> Castilla, had no male descendants, consequently his title of Duque de Frías
> was inherited by his brother Iñigo Fernández de Velasco. It also mentions
> that in his final will and testament he made provisions for the inheritance
> of his four illegitimate sons Pedro, Juan, Bernardino and Pedro Suárez,
> all of whom he recognized. Was Diego Temiño de Velasco another illegitimate
> child not recognized by Don Bernardino? I would like to read his final will
> and testament, which apparently is available for the source you mentioned
> earlier.
>
> I also think that it would be appropriate to ask Dr. Mariano González Leal
> for his source to link Diego Temiño de Velasco to Bernardino Fernández de
> Velasco. We need to get to the bottom of this in order to make the
> necessary corrections in our databases. Another sore point is the
> connection that links Diego de Treviño (who married Beatriz de Quintanilla
> in 1563) to Diego Temiño de Velasco and Francisca de Alcocer. They seem to
> be totally different families. Do you know of any information that supports
> this claim?
>
> Since we have drifted from my original question about Don Gerónimo de Orosco
> y Lerma, I decided to change the subject to Diego Temiño de Velasco. I hope
> someone in the group will be able to provide the information we need.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>
>
> Bill,
>
> To find the parents of Diego you have to begin in Seville, where they were
> born.
>
> See this url :http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/archivo/origen/monte.htm
>
> It explains about the relationship of Francisca Alcocer and Beatriz Alcocer,
> who were sisters.
> The information on Saavedra is also in the 'Encomenderos of New Spain
> 1521-155' by Robert Himmerich y Valencia.
>
> Bernardino was married
> Blanca de Herrera, señora de Pedraza de la Sierra
> Juana of Aragon, illegitimate daughter of Ferdinand II of Aragon.
> Source
> Duques de Frías(in Portuguese
>
> Bernardino I Fernández de Velasco
> De Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
> (Redirigido desde Bernardino Fernández de Velasco (III Conde de Haro))
> Saltar a navegación, búsqueda
> Bernardino I Fernández de Velasco y Mendoza (1454 - 1512), 3º conde de Haro,
> 7º Condestable de Castilla, miembro del triunvirato con el Cardenal Cisneros
> y con Pedro Manrique III de Lara, 1º Duque de Nájera que aconsejaba desde
> 1506 a la Reina Juana I de Castilla "La Loca".
>
>
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Esther, Sophia et al
Here is another bit of information about doña Francisca de Alcocer from the book "Los protocolos de Rodrígo Hernández Cordero, 1585 - 1591, Escribano público de Guadalajara." by Jorge Palomino y Cañedo [Guadalajara: Ediciones del Banco Industrial de Jalisco, S.A., 1972]
"En el testamento de doña Francisca de Velasco, fechado en 5 de agosto de 1589, ésta declara ser vecina de la ciudad de Guadalajara, viuda mujer que fue de Francisco Cornejo, e hija legítima de Diego Temyño de Velasco y de doña Francisca de Alcocer. En una de las cláusulas dice ser, asimismo, hermana de don Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos, vecino de la ciudad de Zacatecas."
Doña Francisca de Velasco was another sibling of Baltazar and Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos y Alcocer. Don Baltazar, Conquistador, married doña María de Zaldívar y Mendoza, and doña Mariana married 1) Pedro Pacho Rodríguez, also Conquistador, and 2) Francisco de Figueroa y Carbajal.
This information was quoted to me from that book. I still haven't been able to find it.
Bill Figueroa
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
That was the will I was telling you about before. Only I found it the Neva Galicia Tomo I book by Guillermo Garamendia Leal. You can get the book at Borderlands books.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
> Esther, Sophia et al
> Here is another bit of information about doña Francisca de Alcocer from the book "Los protocolos de Rodrígo Hernández Cordero, 1585 - 1591, Escribano público de Guadalajara." by Jorge Palomino y Cañedo [Guadalajara: Ediciones
> del Banco Industrial de Jalisco, S.A., 1972]
> "En el testamento de doña Francisca de Velasco, fechado en 5 de agosto de 1589, ésta declara ser vecina de la ciudad de Guadalajara, viuda mujer que fue de Francisco Cornejo, e hija legítima de Diego Temyño de Velasco y de doña Francisca de Alcocer. En una de las cláusulas dice ser, asimismo, hermana de
> don Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos, vecino de la ciudad de Zacatecas."
> Doña Francisca de Velasco was another sibling of Baltazar and Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos y Alcocer. Don Baltazar, Conquistador, married doña María de Zaldívar y Mendoza, and doña Mariana married 1) Pedro Pacho Rodríguez, also
> Conquistador, and 2) Francisco de Figueroa y Carbajal.
>
> This information was quoted to me from that book. I still haven't been able to
> find it.
>
> Bill Figueroa
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Guillermo Garmendia Leal extracted infor from the protocolos of Guadalajara.FUNDADORES DE NUEVA GALICIA, GUADALAJARA, TOMO I HISPANIC GENEALOGY
Author: Guillermo Garmendia Leal
Price: $40.00
Shipping: $3.25
The latest in a series of publications by the author( See #'s 1089 and 1090 and 1112 - 1123 in this category). Includes El Padron de Tetlan en 1541, Expedicion de Coronado, Familias de Guadalajara, Vecinos de Nueva Galicia, La Familia Tremino & Gobernadores/ Nueva Galicia y Nueva Vizcaya. Monterrey, 1996, 1st Ed., PB, SPTXT, 167 Pgs.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
> Esther, Sophia et al
> Here is another bit of information about doña Francisca de Alcocer from the book "Los protocolos de Rodrígo Hernández Cordero, 1585 - 1591, Escribano público de Guadalajara." by Jorge Palomino y Cañedo [Guadalajara: Ediciones
> del Banco Industrial de Jalisco, S.A., 1972]
> "En el testamento de doña Francisca de Velasco, fechado en 5 de agosto de 1589, ésta declara ser vecina de la ciudad de Guadalajara, viuda mujer que fue de Francisco Cornejo, e hija legítima de Diego Temyño de Velasco y de doña Francisca de Alcocer. En una de las cláusulas dice ser, asimismo, hermana de
> don Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos, vecino de la ciudad de Zacatecas."
> Doña Francisca de Velasco was another sibling of Baltazar and Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos y Alcocer. Don Baltazar, Conquistador, married doña María de Zaldívar y Mendoza, and doña Mariana married 1) Pedro Pacho Rodríguez, also
> Conquistador, and 2) Francisco de Figueroa y Carbajal.
>
> This information was quoted to me from that book. I still haven't been able to
> find it.
>
> Bill Figueroa
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Esther,
"Fundadores de Nueva Galicia, Guadalajara, Tomo I" by Guillermo Garmendia
Leal is at the Genealogy Section of my local library. I've checked it
before, but at the time I wasn't interested in the Temiño family. Next time
I
go downtown, maybe in September, I will check it again and photocopy the
pages that relate to that family.
Bill Figueroa
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From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Guillermo Garmendia Leal extracted infor from the protocolos of
Guadalajara. FUNDADORES DE NUEVA GALICIA, GUADALAJARA, TOMO I HISPANIC
GENEALOGY
Author: Guillermo Garmendia Leal
Price: $40.00
Shipping: $3.25
The latest in a series of publications by the author( See #'s 1089 and 1090
and 1112 - 1123 in this category). Includes El Padron de Tetlan en 1541,
Expedicion de Coronado, Familias de Guadalajara, Vecinos de Nueva Galicia,
La Familia Tremino & Gobernadores/ Nueva Galicia y Nueva Vizcaya. Monterrey,
1996, 1st Ed., PB, SPTXT, 167 Pgs.
--
Esther A. Herold
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Sophia, Bill,
I just found this document in the spanish archives. Perhaps the surname Temino is not from the father 's side but from the mother's side. This travel document is for Lenor Temino. If you notice her parents, they are Isabel Alcocer and supposedly Hernando Baniellos. I think the father is supposed to be Hernardo Banuelos. This couple has been lisetd by John Inclan as the parents of Francisca Alcocer. This would make Lenor the sister of Franisca and Beatriz Alcocer. Beatriz Alcocer cer was the mother in -law of Lope Saavedra.:
Texto de búsqueda "isabel alcocer" , del Archivo Archivo General de Indias , dentro de la unidad Catálogos de Pasajeros a Indias
RESUMEN:
Título de la unidad: "LEONOR [SIC] DE TEMIÑO"
Archivo: Archivo General de Indias
Signatura: PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4492
Imprimir
ÁREA DE IDENTIFICACIÓN
Código de Referencia:
ES.41091.AGI/1.16419//PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4492
Titulo Nombre atribuido:
LEONOR [SIC] DE TEMIÑO
Fecha Creación:
1538-03-03 -
Nivel de Descripción:
Unidad Documental Simple
ÁREA DE CONTENIDO Y ESTRUCTURA
Alcance y Contenido:
LEONOR [SIC] DE TEMIÑO, hijo del jurado Hernando Barniellos y de doña Isabel Alcócer, vecinos de Sevilla, a la Florida.
ÁREA DE CONDICIONES DE ACCESO Y UTILIZACIÓN
Índices de Descripción:
Alcocer, Isabel de
Barniellos, Hernando
Florida
Temiño, Leonor (sic) de
Instrumentos de Descripción:
Descripción incluida en CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS. VOLUMEN II (1535-1538)
ÁREA DE DOCUMENTACIÓN ASOCIADA
Unidades Relacionadas por Procedencia:
CONTRATACION,5536,L.5,F.313
ÁREA DE CONTROL DE LA DESCRIPCIÓN
Fecha de la Descripción:
2004-05-31
Also look at the travel document for Francisca Alcocer and her childeren- all boys.:
Texto de búsqueda "francisca de alcocer" , del Archivo Archivo General de Indias , dentro de la unidad Catálogos de Pasajeros a Indias
RESUMEN:
Título de la unidad: "DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER"
Archivo: Archivo General de Indias
Signatura: PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4940
Imprimir
ÁREA DE IDENTIFICACIÓN
Código de Referencia:
ES.41091.AGI/1.16419//PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4940
Titulo Nombre atribuido:
DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER
Fecha Creación:
1538-06-13 -
Nivel de Descripción:
Unidad Documental Simple
ÁREA DE CONTENIDO Y ESTRUCTURA
Alcance y Contenido:
DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER, mujer de Velazco de Treviño, y su hijo Alonso de Velazco y Diego y Baltasar, a Cartagena.
ÁREA DE CONDICIONES DE ACCESO Y UTILIZACIÓN
Índices de Descripción:
Alcocer, Francisca de
Cartagena de Indias
Treviño, Velasco de
Velasco de Treviño Alcocer, Baltasar
Velazco, Alonso de
Velazco de Treviño de Alcocer, Diego
Instrumentos de Descripción:
Descripción incluida en CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS. VOLUMEN II (1535-1538)
ÁREA DE DOCUMENTACIÓN ASOCIADA
Unidades Relacionadas por Procedencia:
CONTRATACION,5536,L.5,F.111v
ÁREA DE CONTROL DE LA DESCRIPCIÓN
Fecha de la Descripción:
2004-05-31
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
> Esther, Sophia et al
> Here is another bit of information about doña Francisca de Alcocer from the book "Los protocolos de Rodrígo Hernández Cordero, 1585 - 1591, Escribano público de Guadalajara." by Jorge Palomino y Cañedo [Guadalajara: Ediciones
> del Banco Industrial de Jalisco, S.A., 1972]
> "En el testamento de doña Francisca de Velasco, fechado en 5 de agosto de 1589, ésta declara ser vecina de la ciudad de Guadalajara, viuda mujer que fue de Francisco Cornejo, e hija legítima de Diego Temyño de Velasco y de doña Francisca de Alcocer. En una de las cláusulas dice ser, asimismo, hermana de
> don Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos, vecino de la ciudad de Zacatecas."
> Doña Francisca de Velasco was another sibling of Baltazar and Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos y Alcocer. Don Baltazar, Conquistador, married doña María de Zaldívar y Mendoza, and doña Mariana married 1) Pedro Pacho Rodríguez, also
> Conquistador, and 2) Francisco de Figueroa y Carbajal.
>
> This information was quoted to me from that book. I still haven't been able to
> find it.
>
> Bill Figueroa
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Esther, Sophia et al
Temiño is a village in the province of Burgos in Spain, located approx.
12 miles NE of the city of Burgos. Many of the early settlers and
conquistadores of New Spain came from Burgos, which was the capital of
Castilla la Vieja. I found some documents that mention Baltazar Temiño de
Bañuelos as being born in Bureba, which is in the same area of Briviesca and
the surrounding areas. Briviesca is 25 miles NE of Burgos some 12 miles
from Temiño. Thus, I'm not surprised to find out that the daughter of Isabel
Alcocer and Hernando Bañuelos was listed as a passenger under the name
Leonor de Temiño, i.e. Leonor from Temiño. She may have been born in that
village. I have also found references to Diego de Velasco as Alcayde de
Temiño, and to Hernando Bañuelos as Jurado. Both Alcayde and Jurado are
occupations, and in the case of Diego de Velasco, Temiño would be the
village or town where he was Alcayde (or alcalde).
I have Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer y Bañuelos as the parents of
Francisca de Alcocer and her sister Beatriz. Francisca, as we know, married
Diego de Velasco (Alcayde de Temiño). Beatriz married Juan de Salamanca,
also a Conquistador. The parents of Beatriz de Alcocer y Bañuelos were
Hernando de Bañuelos (Jurado) and Isabel de Alcocer. I suppose Leonor de
Temiño was their daughter. When they crossed the Atlantic Hernando and
Isabel were listed as being residents of Seville, which may have been the
port of embarkation. The parents of Isabel de Alcocer were Juan Díaz de
Alcocer and María Téllez (great-grandparents of Francisca and Beatriz de
Alcocer).
I compiled this information from several sources, and may or may not be
correct. One thing is for sure: there is no connection to Treviño. The
Temiño surname, which today is fairly common in Spain, has nothing to do
with the Treviño surname.
Bill Figueroa
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
I have been looking at this subject, Trevino and Temino are totally different places in Spain. I think Trevino is in the Basque or Pamplona region of spain. I have heard this place, my mother's family comes prob 20 miles away in Santander, Espana. I will agree with Bill on the conquistadores, mostly came from Noble families, in Castilla and Andalucia, Espana. These members were of noble families mostly the other
siblings of the title holder. Since tradition is the oldest son gets all inheritance in the nobility, the other kids usally went to university or became in the church clergy. I would say roughly around 75% came from Castilla and 20% came from Andalucia while 5 % came from Aragon and 10% from other regions ins Spain. -Daniel Mendez del Camino
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Look at this document. :
PROCESO DEL SANTO OFICIO DE LA INQUISICIÓN CONTRA LOPE DE SAAVEDRA POR AMANCEBADO.
En 3 de diciembre de 1539, ante Fray Juan de Zumarraga, primer Obispo de la ciudad de México y juez inquisidor, y en presencia de Miguel López de Legazpi, parecio Cristóbal Caniego, fiscal de dicho Santo Oficio y presentó denuncia contra Lopez de Sayavedra (Saavedra), natural de la villa de Cáceres, vecino de México, y marido de Elvira de León, acusado de estar amancebado con Francisca de León, su cuñada, y con Francisca de Velasco, prima hermana de ésta, con quien ha tenido hijos de las tres.
El primer testigo que se presenta es Beatriz de Alcocer, mujer de Juan de Salamanca, vecina de la ciudad de México (hija del Licenciado Pedro de León y de Beatriz de Alcocer[1]) y dijo que hacía cuatro años el dicho Lope de Saavedra se encontraba en Michoacán, siendo casado con su hermana Elvira de León, donde se quedó con Francisca de León, la cual quedaría embarazada y sería madre de unos gemelos, de los cuales uno sobrevivió. Y que cuando Lope de Saavedra vino de Castilla “trujo consigo a doña Francisca de Alcocer, tía de la dicha doña Elvira su mujer, y de esta que depone, con tres hijas doncellas que se dicen Francisca la una, con la cual ha oído decir esta que depone que tiene acceso y se echa carnalmente el dicho Lope de Saavedra, y así lo dice lo dice la misma mujer del dicho Lope de Saavedra... (a la cual) daba mala vida a su mujer por causa de la dicha doña Francisca, su prima, y no quería que su mujer mandase nada en su casa sino la dicha doña Francisca, su prima carnal...y lo juró”.
El segundo testigo es Nicolás Zamorano, quien vino en la misma nao en la cual se embarcaron Lope deSaavedra, doña Francisca de Alcocer y su familia “ que decían que la madre era tía de su mujer del dicho Lope de Saavedra”, y que viniendo por la mar vido este testigo como servía al dicho Lope de Saavedra la una de las hijas, a quienes vio juntos en la cama, y que sabía que en méxico le daba mala vida a su esposa por causa de la dicha doña Francisca de Velasco, su prima.
El siguiente interrogatorio se le formula a doña Francisca de Velasco, quien dice que ella nació en Sevilla y “...que su padre era natural de Castilla la Vieja (siendo ya difunto)...y que se decía Diego de Temiño”, y “...que su madre se llama doña Francisca de Alcocer”. Asimismo, afirma que la mujer de Lope de Saavedra y ella son primas hermanas, pues las madres de ambas son hermanas. Dice que Lope de Saavedra trajó a Nueva España a su tía Francisca de Alcocer con su familia en una misma nao, y que “puede haber año y medio poco más o menos que llegaron a esta tierra” (lo cual queda confirmado con el registro en la Casa de Contratación de Sevilla, en el pasaje para Indias de todos ellos, quienes se embarcan entre marzo y junio de 1538).
Incontineti, se presentó doña Francisca de Alcocer, quien dijo ser natural de Sevilla, y que conoce a Lope de Saavedra y su mujer por ser su sobrina. “...hija de su hermana, y que lope de Sayavedrac las trajo de Castilla a esta que depone y a doña Francisca, su hija, y vinieron en una nao con él, y han estado después que vinieron a esta tierra siempre en la posada del dicho Lope de Saavedra, si no es de diez días a esta parte”.
Asimismo, se presentó Elvira de León para dar su testimonio: que casó seis años y medio con el dicho Lope de Saavedra (hacia mediados de 1533); que conoce a Francisca de Alcocer, hermana de su madre, y a Francisca de Velasco, su prima carnal; que su marido las trajo en una nao; que llegando a (la) ciudad de México, posaron en casa del dicho Lope de Saavedra, que de camino de Veracruz a México Lope de Saavedra trajo en us ocmpañía a la dicha Francisca de Velasco, y llegaron a la casa de Juan de Salamanca (marido de su hermana Beatriz de León) donde estuvieron hospedados quince días, luego pasaron a otra casa “...junto a casa de Badajoz”, hasta que Saavedra la llevó juntó con Francisca de Velasco al pueblo de Otumba, y que luego la había regresado a México, hacía cuatro meses, y que la dicha doña Francisca y Saavedra estuvieron en ese pueblo durante ocho días, hasta que volvieron a su casa distinta de la que habita la declarante, observó que su marido había dejado en ella dos caballos y una mula.
Se presentan otros detalles y pormenores acerca de la relación entre ambos, dados por otros trestigos y por la confesión de la misma doña Francisca.
Archivo General de la Nación. Inquisición, volumen 34, expediente 3, fojas 50 frente hasta 61 vuelta.
APÉNDICE
Como apéndice a este documento es interesante añadir que el testamento de doña Francisca de Velasco fue publicado por Jorge Palomino[2]; en dicho documento, fechado en 5 de agosto de 1589, ésta declara ser vecina de la ciudad de Guadalajara, viuda mujer que fue de Francisco Cornejo, e hija legítima de Diego Temyño de Velasco y de doña Frtancisca de Alcocer. En una de las cláusulas dice ser, asimismo, hermana de don Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos, vecino de la ciudad de Zacatecas.
[1] Según Boyd-Bowman, II, 8698, p. 269, estos señores viajan a México en 1530 y son vecinos de la ciudad de México hacía 1531.
[2] Vease: Jorge Palomino y Cañedo: Los protocolos de Rodrigo Hernández Cordero, 1585-1591, escribano público de Guadalajara. Guadalajara, ediciones del Banco Industrial de Jalisco, 1972, pp. 75-77 y pp. 232-235.
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> Esther, Sophia et al
>
> Temiño is a village in the province of Burgos in Spain, located approx.
> 12 miles NE of the city of Burgos. Many of the early settlers and
> conquistadores of New Spain came from Burgos, which was the capital of
> Castilla la Vieja. I found some documents that mention Baltazar Temiño de
> Bañuelos as being born in Bureba, which is in the same area of Briviesca and
> the surrounding areas. Briviesca is 25 miles NE of Burgos some 12 miles
> from Temiño. Thus, I'm not surprised to find out that the daughter of Isabel
> Alcocer and Hernando Bañuelos was listed as a passenger under the name
> Leonor de Temiño, i.e. Leonor from Temiño. She may have been born in that
> village. I have also found references to Diego de Velasco as Alcayde de
> Temiño, and to Hernando Bañuelos as Jurado. Both Alcayde and Jurado are
> occupations, and in the case of Diego de Velasco, Temiño would be the
> village or town where he was Alcayde (or alcalde).
>
> I have Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer y Bañuelos as the parents of
> Francisca de Alcocer and her sister Beatriz. Francisca, as we know, married
> Diego de Velasco (Alcayde de Temiño). Beatriz married Juan de Salamanca,
> also a Conquistador. The parents of Beatriz de Alcocer y Bañuelos were
> Hernando de Bañuelos (Jurado) and Isabel de Alcocer. I suppose Leonor de
> Temiño was their daughter. When they crossed the Atlantic Hernando and
> Isabel were listed as being residents of Seville, which may have been the
> port of embarkation. The parents of Isabel de Alcocer were Juan Díaz de
> Alcocer and María Téllez (great-grandparents of Francisca and Beatriz de
> Alcocer).
>
> I compiled this information from several sources, and may or may not be
> correct. One thing is for sure: there is no connection to Treviño. The
> Temiño surname, which today is fairly common in Spain, has nothing to do
> with the Treviño surname.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
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thank you for sharing this document, it's no wonder we sometimes have problems putting family lines together. Just because they were Spanish "gentlemen" doesn't always mean they were always gentlemen!
Linda in B.C.
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From: eaherold@att.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 2:23 PM
Look at this document. :
PROCESO DEL SANTO OFICIO DE LA INQUISICIÓN CONTRA LOPE DE SAAVEDRA POR
AMANCEBADO.
En 3 de diciembre de 1539, ante Fray Juan de Zumarraga, primer Obispo
de la ciudad de México y juez inquisidor, y en presencia de Miguel López de
Legazpi, parecio Cristóbal Caniego, fiscal de dicho Santo Oficio y presentó
denuncia contra Lopez de Sayavedra (Saavedra), natural de la villa de Cáceres,
vecino de México, y marido de Elvira de León, acusado de estar amancebado con
Francisca de León, su cuñada, y con Francisca de Velasco, prima hermana de
ésta, con quien ha tenido hijos de las tres.
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Esther,
I had not seen this document, which contains very important genealogical
information. Thanks for sharing it. According to what it says, the parents
of Francisca and Beatriz de Alcocer were Hernando de Bañuelos and Isabel de
Alcocer. I made the required revisions to my database.
Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer had two daughters, Beatriz who married
Juan de Salamanca, and Francisca who married Diego de Velasco (aka Diego de
Temiño or Diego Temiño de Velasco). I think we have their descendants
properly identified.
The accusation is pretty disgusting, although I take it with a grain of
salt. Many accusations presented to the Santo Oficio were dismissed as
totally false. I have two examples, one presented against Bernarda Salado
by a black slave named Antonia de Olmo, who accused her of practicing
witchery. The case was dismissed and Antonia de Olmo declared of feeble
mind by the Santo Oficio. Obviously a disgruntled employee. The other
example was Andrés Ruiz de Esparza, brother of my ancestor Lope Ruiz de
Esparza, who was accused of being a Lutheran. His crime was, supposedly, to
have befriended some Lutheran soldiers during the wars Spain fought against
William d'Orange (William the Silent) when the Netherlands rebelled against
Spain. At the time, Spain (Carlos I de España = Carlos V de Alemania) ruled
most of Western Europe. The accusation, presented in México City, was found
to be false.
We don't know what the Santo Oficio de la Inquisición ruled in the case of
Lope de Saavedra, but I don't take these accusations seriously. It would be
interesting to see the entire document and to know what was the final ruling
by the Santo Oficio.
Bill
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Look at this document. :
PROCESO DEL SANTO OFICIO DE LA INQUISICIÓN CONTRA LOPE DE SAAVEDRA POR
AMANCEBADO.
En 3 de diciembre de 1539, ante Fray Juan de Zumarraga, primer
Obispo de la ciudad de México y juez inquisidor, y en presencia de Miguel
López de Legazpi, parecio Cristóbal Caniego, fiscal de dicho Santo Oficio y
presentó denuncia contra Lopez de Sayavedra (Saavedra), natural de la villa
de Cáceres, vecino de México, y marido de Elvira de León, acusado de estar
amancebado...
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Esther and Bill,
I must say thank you to both of you!
I was looking at Pares.es in the "Catalogos de Pasajeros a Indias"
and found a Diego de Trevino who was married to a Francisca Alcocer with there children. (Copied Below)
Is this Francisca and Diego? Because on Gary Felix's site he mentioned that Termino and Trevino are interchanged and I just read your message Esther saying the same thing.
Thank you Again.
Sofia
RESUMEN:
Título de la unidad: "DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER" Archivo: Archivo General de IndiasSignatura: PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4940
ÁREA DE IDENTIFICACIÓN
Código de Referencia:
ES.41091.AGI/1.16419//PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4940
Titulo Nombre atribuido:
DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER
Fecha Creación:
1538-06-13 -
Nivel de Descripción:
Unidad Documental Simple
ÁREA DE CONTENIDO Y ESTRUCTURA
Alcance y Contenido:
DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER, mujer de Velazco de Treviño, y su hijo Alonso de Velazco y Diego y Baltasar, a Cartagena.
ÁREA DE CONDICIONES DE ACCESO Y UTILIZACIÓN
Índices de Descripción:
Alcocer, Francisca de
Cartagena de Indias
Treviño, Velasco de
Velasco de Treviño Alcocer, Baltasar
Velazco, Alonso de
Velazco de Treviño de Alcocer, Diego
Instrumentos de Descripción:
Descripción incluida en CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS. VOLUMEN II (1535-1538)
ÁREA DE DOCUMENTACIÓN ASOCIADA
Unidades Relacionadas por Procedencia:
CONTRATACION,5536,L.5,F.111v
ÁREA DE CONTROL DE LA DESCRIPCIÓN
Fecha de la Descripción:
2004-05-31
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Esther y Bill,
Lo siento...............I reread the document and I see I mixed the names............too much stuff on my brain............
Sofia
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Sofía,
Did you try to download the actual document from the PARES website? It
would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be interesting
to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to Beatriz de
Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "sophia"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Esther and Bill,
I must say thank you to both of you!
I was looking at Pares.es in the "Catalogos de Pasajeros a Indias"
and found a Diego de Trevino who was married to a Francisca Alcocer with
there children. (Copied Below)
Is this Francisca and Diego? Because on Gary Felix's site he mentioned that
Termino and Trevino are interchanged and I just read your message Esther
saying the same thing.
Thank you Again.
Sofia
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Depending on what kind of church records it varies, usually for baptisms the earliest Ive seen is about 1545. Marriages seem to start somewhere between 1565-1580 and deaths earliest as 1521.
-Daniel
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It is the same information i sent before. It is only an index of the record. Theere was no image of the record.
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Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
> Sofía,
>
> Did you try to download the actual document from the PARES website? It
> would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be interesting
> to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to Beatriz de
> Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?
>
> Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sophia"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
>
>
>
> Esther and Bill,
>
> I must say thank you to both of you!
> I was looking at Pares.es in the "Catalogos de Pasajeros a Indias"
> and found a Diego de Trevino who was married to a Francisca Alcocer with
> there children. (Copied Below)
> Is this Francisca and Diego? Because on Gary Felix's site he mentioned that
> Termino and Trevino are interchanged and I just read your message Esther
> saying the same thing.
>
> Thank you Again.
> Sofia
>
>
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Hola Bill,
There was no image. I just copied and pasted so you could see what was there.
Sofia
> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO> > Sofía,> > Did you try to download the actual document from the PARES website? It > would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be interesting > to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to Beatriz de > Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?> > Bill
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The earliest marriage film I see for Mexico City is 1575. That is not early enough for us.
I would like to see Seville marriage records for Diego and Francisca Alcocer. Anybody going to spain soon?
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-------------- Original message from sophia : --------------
>
> Hola Bill,
>
> There was no image. I just copied and pasted so you could see what was there.
>
> Sofia
> > From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO> > Sofía,> > Did you try to download the actual document from the PARES website? It > would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be interesting > to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to Beatriz de > Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?> >
> Bill
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Bill and Esther,
I just wanted to double check something..............Francisca Alcocer (the elder), I have her name like this: Francisca Alcoideo Ascoide.
Is this correct? Is this the same person?
Sofia
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No, Sofía. The name is Francisca de Alcocer. You may have confused her
surname with her husband's title who, according to some sources, was ALCAIDE
(sometimes spelled ALACAYDE) of some place in Mexico or Spain. Check
previous correspondence on this subject.
The Larousse dictionary defines Alcaide as a person in charge of defending a
fort ("el que tenía a su cargo la guarda y defensa de una fortaleza"). I
don't think it is used in that sense any more. In modern times I've seen
the word used to refer to the warden of a prison ("en las cárceles, guardián
de la prisión").
On the other hand, ALCALDE with an "L" is the highest authority in a
Municipality or District, i.e. the Mayor of a city.
I've been thinking about this for sometime, and since I don't know much
about Diego Temiño de Velasco I'm beginning to think that he was NOT the
Mayor of a city, but in charge of a fort or military installation.
Otherwise, he would have been referred to as Alcalde Mayor or Alcalde
Ordinario. Just a thought. I'm also leaning towards the belief that his
title of Alcaide was in Mexico rather than in Spain. Temiño is a small
village or hamlet near Burgos, Spain.
Incidentally, whatever is discussed in this forum should be verified by each
and every one before it is used. Hopefully, with everybody's help we'll
sort it out and find the correct information. Use it with caution.
Bill Figueroa
----- Original Message -----
From: "sophia"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Bill and Esther,
I just wanted to double check something..............Francisca Alcocer (the
elder), I have her name like this: Francisca Alcoideo Ascoide.
Is this correct? Is this the same person?
Sofia
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Thank you Bill!
I had copied Francisca's name from "Retoños". I may have misunderstood something when I was reading so I will look at it again.
Sofia
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George,
I got two names mixed up in my previous email. What I meant to say was that
Pedro de Leon and Beatriz de Alcocer had two daughters, Beatriz who married
Juan de Salamanca, and Francisca who married Lope de Saavedra. Francisca de
Alcocer (the elder) sister-in-law to Pedro de León, was married to Diego
Temiño de Velasco. I still have not checked Himmerich y Valencia and Icaza.
As far as Francisco de Orosco Aguero is concerned, he was the son of
Geronimo de Orosco and Angela de Velasco, residents of Aguascalientes and
Teocaltiche. This Geronimo de Orosco is the one I'm trying to link to Dr.
Geronimo de Orosco y Lerma, Gobernador de la Nueva Galicia. I know they
were closely related, but I don't know who their ancestors were to find the
proper link.
Bill Figueroa
Diego Temiño Alcaide de......
Carlos Peredo
Hello Bill,
Maybe it is no longer useful the information I´m writing below but I post it just in case it is of use to anyone:
Diego Temiño de Velasco (the one who marriedo to Francisca de Alcocer Bañuelos) was Alcaide del castillo de Pedraza, so your guess that he was not the Mayor of a town or village was correct.
The castle of Pedraza was a property of Blanca de Herrera Niño de Portugal first wife of Bernardino Fernández de Velasco and when Blanca died the castle became a property of Bernardino.
Bernardino had two powerful uncles (brothers of his father): Diego First Count of Nieva , and Sancho who was "Señor de Arnedo" and later "Señor de Nieva" when Diego died childless.
Sancho had two daughters : Francisca and Sancha; Francisca became 2nd Countess of Nieva and married Diego López de Zúñiga Herrera ,this couple died cildless also, this way the title went to a sister of Diego López de Zúñiga : Francisca López de Zúñiga y Herrera but.......fortunately for Don Sancho, he had managed to have two more sons : One called Antonio de Velasco Enríquez de Lacarra "Señor de Arnedo" (b1482)who then was married to Francisca López de Zúñiga and the title of Nieva returned to the family of Sancho.
Sancha was married to Alfonso Ruíz Temiño "Señor de Bureba" who was charged by his cousin in law Bernardino to be Alcaide del Castle of Pedraza and held the charge for life and then his son Diego Temiño de Velasco held the charge till 1513 and didn´t continue being the "Alcaide" because the daughter of Bernardino (Juliana Ángela)sued him and tried to send him to jail.
Most of the above has already been clarified in this site but if it only helps someone who is still wondering what type of "Alcaide" was Diego , that will be fine.
Carlos A. Peredo
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
isn't it the elder Fancisca ALcocer, sister-in-law to Pedro Leon, who was married to Diego Temino.
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-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
> Esther,
>
> I had not seen this document, which contains very important genealogical
> information. Thanks for sharing it. According to what it says, the parents
> of Francisca and Beatriz de Alcocer were Hernando de Bañuelos and Isabel de
> Alcocer. I made the required revisions to my database.
>
> Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer had two daughters, Beatriz who married
> Juan de Salamanca, and Francisca who married Diego de Velasco (aka Diego de
> Temiño or Diego Temiño de Velasco). I think we have their descendants
> properly identified.
>
> The accusation is pretty disgusting, although I take it with a grain of
> salt. Many accusations presented to the Santo Oficio were dismissed as
> totally false. I have two examples, one presented against Bernarda Salado
> by a black slave named Antonia de Olmo, who accused her of practicing
> witchery. The case was dismissed and Antonia de Olmo declared of feeble
> mind by the Santo Oficio. Obviously a disgruntled employee. The other
> example was Andrés Ruiz de Esparza, brother of my ancestor Lope Ruiz de
> Esparza, who was accused of being a Lutheran. His crime was, supposedly, to
> have befriended some Lutheran soldiers during the wars Spain fought against
> William d'Orange (William the Silent) when the Netherlands rebelled against
> Spain. At the time, Spain (Carlos I de España = Carlos V de Alemania) ruled
> most of Western Europe. The accusation, presented in México City, was found
> to be false.
>
> We don't know what the Santo Oficio de la Inquisición ruled in the case of
> Lope de Saavedra, but I don't take these accusations seriously. It would be
> interesting to see the entire document and to know what was the final ruling
> by the Santo Oficio.
>
> Bill
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
>
>
> Look at this document. :
>
> PROCESO DEL SANTO OFICIO DE LA INQUISICIÓN CONTRA LOPE DE SAAVEDRA POR
> AMANCEBADO.
>
> En 3 de diciembre de 1539, ante Fray Juan de Zumarraga, primer
> Obispo de la ciudad de México y juez inquisidor, y en presencia de Miguel
> López de Legazpi, parecio Cristóbal Caniego, fiscal de dicho Santo Oficio y
> presentó denuncia contra Lopez de Sayavedra (Saavedra), natural de la villa
> de Cáceres, vecino de México, y marido de Elvira de León, acusado de estar
> amancebado...
>
>
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
My apologies. I got the names mixed up in my previous email. What I meant
to say was that Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer had two daughters,
Beatriz who married Juan de Salamanca, and Francisca who married Lope de
Saavedra. Francisca Alcocer (the elder), sister-in-saw to Pedro de León was
married to Diego Temiño de Velasco. Sorry.
Bill Figueroa
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
isn't it the elder Fancisca ALcocer, sister-in-law to Pedro Leon, who was
married to Diego Temino.
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Esther A. Herold
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Esther,
I had not seen this document, which contains very important genealogical
information. Thanks for sharing it. According to what it says, the parents
of Francisca and Beatriz de Alcocer were Hernando de Bañuelos and Isabel de
Alcocer. I made the required revisions to my database...
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
This is a very important document, but the way I read it the "Francisca
who married Diego Temiño de Velasco" is the sister of Beatriz de Alcocer
and daughter of Hernando and Isabel as you say. Thus Francisca de
Alcocer (who married Diego de Velasco) is the Tía of Elvira, Maria (who
married Pedro Castellar), and Beatriz de Alcozer (who married Juan de
Salamanca). That makes Francisca de Velasco (daughter of Francisca and
Diego) the prima hermana of Elvira and Beatriz as the document says. The
Francisca who married Diego is not the daughter of Pedro de Leon and
Betriz de Alcocer, but rather of Hernando and Isabel.
What is more confusing is that Himmerich y Valencia and Icaza write
that: "Lope de Saavedra married a daughter of Gonzalo Gomez de Saavedra
and doña Leonor de Orellana, also of Caceres ... they had two sons and
two daughters. He died in 1538, the same year he was referred to the
Inquisition for having a first cousin as a concubine." So who was the
concubine and what is the relation between Elvira and Lope?
George
Bill Figueroa wrote:
> Esther,
>
> I had not seen this document, which contains very important genealogical
> information. Thanks for sharing it. According to what it says, the
> parents
> of Francisca and Beatriz de Alcocer were Hernando de Bañuelos and
> Isabel de
> Alcocer. I made the required revisions to my database.
>
> Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer had two daughters, Beatriz who
> married
> Juan de Salamanca, and Francisca who married Diego de Velasco (aka
> Diego de
> Temiño or Diego Temiño de Velasco). I think we have their descendants
> properly identified.
>
> The accusation is pretty disgusting, although I take it with a grain of
> salt. Many accusations presented to the Santo Oficio were dismissed as
> totally false. I have two examples, one presented against Bernarda
> Salado
> by a black slave named Antonia de Olmo, who accused her of practicing
> witchery. The case was dismissed and Antonia de Olmo declared of feeble
> mind by the Santo Oficio. Obviously a disgruntled employee. The other
> example was Andrés Ruiz de Esparza, brother of my ancestor Lope Ruiz de
> Esparza, who was accused of being a Lutheran. His crime was,
> supposedly, to
> have befriended some Lutheran soldiers during the wars Spain fought
> against
> William d'Orange (William the Silent) when the Netherlands rebelled
> against
> Spain. At the time, Spain (Carlos I de España = Carlos V de Alemania)
> ruled
> most of Western Europe. The accusation, presented in México City, was
> found
> to be false.
>
> We don't know what the Santo Oficio de la Inquisición ruled in the
> case of
> Lope de Saavedra, but I don't take these accusations seriously. It
> would be
> interesting to see the entire document and to know what was the final
> ruling
> by the Santo Oficio.
>
> Bill
>
>
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>
>
> Look at this document. :
>
> PROCESO DEL SANTO OFICIO DE LA INQUISICIÓN CONTRA LOPE DE SAAVEDRA POR
> AMANCEBADO.
>
> En 3 de diciembre de 1539, ante Fray Juan de Zumarraga, primer
> Obispo de la ciudad de México y juez inquisidor, y en presencia de Miguel
> López de Legazpi, parecio Cristóbal Caniego, fiscal de dicho Santo
> Oficio y
> presentó denuncia contra Lopez de Sayavedra (Saavedra), natural de la
> villa
> de Cáceres, vecino de México, y marido de Elvira de León, acusado de
> estar
> amancebado...
>
>
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Bill,
Where did you get the information that Diego Temino Velasco, husband of Francisca Alcocer , was the alcalde of Temino? What exactly does the source say?
Thanks,
Esther
Esther A. Herold
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> Look at this document. :
> PROCESO DEL SANTO OFICIO DE LA INQUISICIÓN CONTRA LOPE DE SAAVEDRA POR
> AMANCEBADO.
> En 3 de diciembre de 1539, ante Fray Juan de Zumarraga, primer Obispo de la ciudad de México y juez inquisidor, y en presencia de Miguel López de Legazpi, parecio Cristóbal Caniego, fiscal de dicho Santo Oficio y presentó denuncia contra Lopez de Sayavedra (Saavedra), natural de la villa de Cáceres, vecino de México, y marido de Elvira de León, acusado de estar amancebado con Francisca de León, su cuñada, y con Francisca de Velasco, prima hermana de
> ésta, con quien ha tenido hijos de las tres.
> El primer testigo que se presenta es Beatriz de Alcocer, mujer de Juan de Salamanca, vecina de la ciudad de México (hija del Licenciado Pedro de León y de Beatriz de Alcocer[1]) y dijo que hacía cuatro años el dicho Lope de Saavedra se encontraba en Michoacán, siendo casado con su hermana Elvira de León, donde se quedó con Francisca de León, la cual quedaría embarazada y
> sería madre de unos gemelos, de los cuales uno sobrevivió. Y que cuando Lope
> de Saavedra vino de Castilla “trujo consigo a doña Francisca de Alcocer, tía
> de la dicha doña Elvira su mujer, y de esta que depone, con tres hijas
> doncellas que se dicen Francisca la una, con la cual ha oído decir esta que
> depone que tiene acceso y se echa carnalmente el dicho Lope de Saavedra, y así
> lo dice lo dice la misma mujer del dicho Lope de Saavedra... (a la cual) daba
> mala vida a su mujer por causa de la dicha doña Francisca, su prima, y no
> quería que su mujer mandase nada en su casa sino la dicha doña Francisca, su
> prima carnal...y lo juró”.
>
> El segundo testigo es Nicolás Zamorano, quien vino en la misma nao en la cual
> se embarcaron Lope deSaavedra, doña Francisca de Alcocer y su familia “ que
> decían que la madre era tía de su mujer del dicho Lope de Saavedra”, y que
> viniendo por la mar vido este testigo como servía al dicho Lope de Saavedra la
> una de las hijas, a quienes vio juntos en la cama, y que sabía que en méxico
> le daba mala vida a su esposa por causa de la dicha doña Francisca de Velasco,
> su prima.
>
> El siguiente interrogatorio se le formula a doña Francisca de Velasco, quien
> dice que ella nació en Sevilla y “...que su padre era natural de Castilla la
> Vieja (siendo ya difunto)...y que se decía Diego de Temiño”, y “...que su
> madre se llama doña Francisca de Alcocer”. Asimismo, afirma que la mujer de
> Lope de Saavedra y ella son primas hermanas, pues las madres de ambas son
> hermanas. Dice que Lope de Saavedra trajó a Nueva España a su tía Francisca
> de Alcocer con su familia en una misma nao, y que “puede haber año y medio
> poco más o menos que llegaron a esta tierra” (lo cual queda confirmado con el
> registro en la Casa de Contratación de Sevilla, en el pasaje para Indias de
> todos ellos, quienes se embarcan entre marzo y junio de 1538).
>
> Incontineti, se presentó doña Francisca de Alcocer, quien dijo ser natural de
> Sevilla, y que conoce a Lope de Saavedra y su mujer por ser su sobrina. â€
> œ...hija de su hermana, y que lope de Sayavedrac las trajo de Castilla a esta
> que depone y a doña Francisca, su hija, y vinieron en una nao con él, y han
> estado después que vinieron a esta tierra siempre en la posada del dicho Lope
> de Saavedra, si no es de diez días a esta parte”.
>
> Asimismo, se presentó Elvira de León para dar su testimonio: que casó seis
> años y medio con el dicho Lope de Saavedra (hacia mediados de 1533); que conoce
> a Francisca de Alcocer, hermana de su madre, y a Francisca de Velasco, su prima
> carnal; que su marido las trajo en una nao; que llegando a (la) ciudad de
> México, posaron en casa del dicho Lope de Saavedra, que de camino de Veracruz a
> México Lope de Saavedra trajo en us ocmpañía a la dicha Francisca de Velasco,
> y llegaron a la casa de Juan de Salamanca (marido de su hermana Beatriz de
> León) donde estuvieron hospedados quince días, luego pasaron a otra casa â€
> œ...junto a casa de Badajoz”, hasta que Saavedra la llevó juntó con
> Francisca de Velasco al pueblo de Otumba, y que luego la había regresado a
> México, hacía cuatro meses, y que la dicha doña Francisca y Saavedra
> estuvieron en ese pueblo durante ocho días, hasta que volvieron a su casa
> distinta de la que habita la declarante, observó que su marido había dejado en
> ella dos caballos y una mula.
>
> Se presentan otros detalles y pormenores acerca de la relación entre ambos,
> dados por otros trestigos y por la confesión de la misma doña Francisca.
>
>
> Archivo General de la Nación. Inquisición, volumen 34, expediente 3,
> fojas 50 frente hasta 61 vuelta.
>
>
>
> APÉNDICE
>
> Como apéndice a este documento es interesante añadir que el testamento
> de doña Francisca de Velasco fue publicado por Jorge Palomino[2]; en dicho
> documento, fechado en 5 de agosto de 1589, ésta declara ser vecina de la ciudad
> de Guadalajara, viuda mujer que fue de Francisco Cornejo, e hija legítima de
> Diego Temyño de Velasco y de doña Frtancisca de Alcocer. En una de las
> cláusulas dice ser, asimismo, hermana de don Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos,
> vecino de la ciudad de Zacatecas.
>
>
>
>
>
> [1] Según Boyd-Bowman, II, 8698, p. 269, estos señores viajan a México en
> 1530 y son vecinos de la ciudad de México hacía 1531.
> [2] Vease: Jorge Palomino y Cañedo: Los protocolos de Rodrigo Hernández
> Cordero, 1585-1591, escribano público de Guadalajara. Guadalajara, ediciones
> del Banco Industrial de Jalisco, 1972, pp. 75-77 y pp. 232-235.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
> -------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" :
> --------------
>
>
> > Esther, Sophia et al
> >
> > Temiño is a village in the province of Burgos in Spain, located approx.
> > 12 miles NE of the city of Burgos. Many of the early settlers and
> > conquistadores of New Spain came from Burgos, which was the capital of
> > Castilla la Vieja. I found some documents that mention Baltazar Temiño de
> > Bañuelos as being born in Bureba, which is in the same area of Briviesca and
> > the surrounding areas. Briviesca is 25 miles NE of Burgos some 12 miles
> > from Temiño. Thus, I'm not surprised to find out that the daughter of Isabel
> > Alcocer and Hernando Bañuelos was listed as a passenger under the name
> > Leonor de Temiño, i.e. Leonor from Temiño. She may have been born in that
> > village. I have also found references to Diego de Velasco as Alcayde de
> > Temiño, and to Hernando Bañuelos as Jurado. Both Alcayde and Jurado are
> > occupations, and in the case of Diego de Velasco, Temiño would be the
> > village or town where he was Alcayde (or alcalde).
> >
> > I have Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer y Bañuelos as the parents of
> > Francisca de Alcocer and her sister Beatriz. Francisca, as we know, married
> > Diego de Velasco (Alcayde de Temiño). Beatriz married Juan de Salamanca,
> > also a Conquistador. The parents of Beatriz de Alcocer y Bañuelos were
> > Hernando de Bañuelos (Jurado) and Isabel de Alcocer. I suppose Leonor de
> > Temiño was their daughter. When they crossed the Atlantic Hernando and
> > Isabel were listed as being residents of Seville, which may have been the
> > port of embarkation. The parents of Isabel de Alcocer were Juan Díaz de
> > Alcocer and María Téllez (great-grandparents of Francisca and Beatriz de
> > Alcocer).
> >
> > I compiled this information from several sources, and may or may not be
> > correct. One thing is for sure: there is no connection to Treviño. The
> > Temiño surname, which today is fairly common in Spain, has nothing to do
> > with the Treviño surname.
> >
> > Bill Figueroa
> >
> >
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DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Esther,
I have seen Diego Temiño de Velasco referred to as Alcaide (or Alcaide) in more than one source. Below is some information about Diego de Aguilar, who married a daughter of Diego Temiño de Velasco (I have not been able to find her first name). It also mentions his son Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos. who is one of the founding fathers of Zacatecas. The sources are included in parenthesis.
"AGUILAR, Diego de
Hijo legítimo de Alonso de Aguilar y de Mari Gutiérrez de Santander. Pasó con Pedrarias de Avila a Tierra Firme. Arribó a la Nueva España con un navío suyo, cargado de armas, caballos y bastimentos. Dueño de minas en la Nueva España desde 1528. Hacia 1548 era vecino de la ciudad de México, pero residía en las minas de Zultepec, donde fue nombrado, el 21 de junio de 1550, diputado de minas por un año. Casó con una hija legítima del alcaide Diego Temiño de Velasco, el padre legítimo de Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos (Documentos cortesianos I, 1990: 90; Gerhard, 1992: 316; Icaza, 1969: N 617; Palomino y Cañedo, 1972: 232)."
I have seen his name written in some documents as "Diego de Velasco, Alcayde de Temiño", but have no idea whether he was Alcayde of Temiño in Castilla la Vieja, or somewhere in the Nueva España.
Bill Figueroa
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Bill,
Where did you get the information that Diego Temino Velasco, husband of Francisca Alcocer , was the alcalde of Temino? What exactly does the source say?
Thanks,
Esther
Esther A. Herold
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
It has everything to do with the Trevino surname. Diego, the son of Diego and Francisca Alcocer had children born in Mexico City and Zacatecas I believe to his wife Beatriz Quintanilla. Most of their descendants live in Coahuila, Nuevo leon, and Tamulipias and Texas and Louisana. In the early colonial period you could see temino and Trevino used interchangeably in documents.
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Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
> Esther, Sophia et al
>
> Temiño is a village in the province of Burgos in Spain, located approx.
> 12 miles NE of the city of Burgos. Many of the early settlers and
> conquistadores of New Spain came from Burgos, which was the capital of
> Castilla la Vieja. I found some documents that mention Baltazar Temiño de
> Bañuelos as being born in Bureba, which is in the same area of Briviesca and
> the surrounding areas. Briviesca is 25 miles NE of Burgos some 12 miles
> from Temiño. Thus, I'm not surprised to find out that the daughter of Isabel
> Alcocer and Hernando Bañuelos was listed as a passenger under the name
> Leonor de Temiño, i.e. Leonor from Temiño. She may have been born in that
> village. I have also found references to Diego de Velasco as Alcayde de
> Temiño, and to Hernando Bañuelos as Jurado. Both Alcayde and Jurado are
> occupations, and in the case of Diego de Velasco, Temiño would be the
> village or town where he was Alcayde (or alcalde).
>
> I have Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer y Bañuelos as the parents of
> Francisca de Alcocer and her sister Beatriz. Francisca, as we know, married
> Diego de Velasco (Alcayde de Temiño). Beatriz married Juan de Salamanca,
> also a Conquistador. The parents of Beatriz de Alcocer y Bañuelos were
> Hernando de Bañuelos (Jurado) and Isabel de Alcocer. I suppose Leonor de
> Temiño was their daughter. When they crossed the Atlantic Hernando and
> Isabel were listed as being residents of Seville, which may have been the
> port of embarkation. The parents of Isabel de Alcocer were Juan Díaz de
> Alcocer and María Téllez (great-grandparents of Francisca and Beatriz de
> Alcocer).
>
> I compiled this information from several sources, and may or may not be
> correct. One thing is for sure: there is no connection to Treviño. The
> Temiño surname, which today is fairly common in Spain, has nothing to do
> with the Treviño surname.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
Dna testing of Banuelos dna would answer a lot of questions. Trevino dna from the descendants of colonial residents of Nuevo Leon have already been tested. Trevinos also used mother surnames. Branches of trevinos using mother surname instead of father's included the Ayala family ( my own) and the Arriolas( also my own).
Anyone know any Banuelos descended from Baltasar who who would test?
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
> Esther, Sophia et al
>
> Temiño is a village in the province of Burgos in Spain, located approx.
> 12 miles NE of the city of Burgos. Many of the early settlers and
> conquistadores of New Spain came from Burgos, which was the capital of
> Castilla la Vieja. I found some documents that mention Baltazar Temiño de
> Bañuelos as being born in Bureba, which is in the same area of Briviesca and
> the surrounding areas. Briviesca is 25 miles NE of Burgos some 12 miles
> from Temiño. Thus, I'm not surprised to find out that the daughter of Isabel
> Alcocer and Hernando Bañuelos was listed as a passenger under the name
> Leonor de Temiño, i.e. Leonor from Temiño. She may have been born in that
> village. I have also found references to Diego de Velasco as Alcayde de
> Temiño, and to Hernando Bañuelos as Jurado. Both Alcayde and Jurado are
> occupations, and in the case of Diego de Velasco, Temiño would be the
> village or town where he was Alcayde (or alcalde).
>
> I have Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer y Bañuelos as the parents of
> Francisca de Alcocer and her sister Beatriz. Francisca, as we know, married
> Diego de Velasco (Alcayde de Temiño). Beatriz married Juan de Salamanca,
> also a Conquistador. The parents of Beatriz de Alcocer y Bañuelos were
> Hernando de Bañuelos (Jurado) and Isabel de Alcocer. I suppose Leonor de
> Temiño was their daughter. When they crossed the Atlantic Hernando and
> Isabel were listed as being residents of Seville, which may have been the
> port of embarkation. The parents of Isabel de Alcocer were Juan Díaz de
> Alcocer and María Téllez (great-grandparents of Francisca and Beatriz de
> Alcocer).
>
> I compiled this information from several sources, and may or may not be
> correct. One thing is for sure: there is no connection to Treviño. The
> Temiño surname, which today is fairly common in Spain, has nothing to do
> with the Treviño surname.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Bill,
The testamento of Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco can be found in this publication:
http://www.amigosdemedina.com/publicaciones.html
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
Iñigo Fernández de Velasco inherited lands and the title of Duque de Frías. If his brother Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, who married María Enríquez Sarmiento, was childless, then who were the parents of Diego Temiño de Velasco?
> Please explain.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>
> Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco was childless. His brother Inigo inheirted this
> title and lands. Illegitimate children in that family did inherit titles.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Thanks for the information, Esther. I'll send you my comments later. Did
you manage to get a copy of the FINAL WILL AND TESTAMENT of Bernardino
Fernández de Velasco? I saw it listed in the Index of Boletín No. 3 (March
2002) but didn't find a way to access it. That would be interesting to
read.
Bill Figueroa
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Bill,
The testamento of Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco can be found in this
publication:
http://www.amigosdemedina.com/publicaciones.html
--
Esther A. Herold
DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Hello Esther,
I am also interested like Bill to read this "final will and testament".
I also had the same understanding that Bill had about Diego's parents because I had found it in Retoños.
Its a good thing that this information has come up otherwise we would have been investigating ironeous information.
Thank you Esther.
Sofia
> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:28:30 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA> > Thanks for the information, Esther. I'll send you my comments later. Did > you manage to get a copy of the FINAL WILL AND TESTAMENT of Bernardino > Fernández de Velasco? I saw it listed in the Index of Boletín No. 3 (March > 2002) but didn't find a way to access it. That would be interesting to > read.> > Bill Figueroa
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Diego Temino de Velasco
I just found the reference. I have not had time to get a copy yet of the will. Has any one else?
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Esther A. Herold
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>
> Hello Esther,
>
> I am also interested like Bill to read this "final will and testament". I also had the same understanding that Bill had about Diego's parents because I
> had found it in Retoños. Its a good thing that this information has come up otherwise we would have been
> investigating ironeous information.
> Thank you Esther.
>
> Sofia
>
> > From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:28:30 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA> > Thanks for the information, Esther. I'll send you my comments later. Did > you manage to get a copy of the FINAL WILL AND TESTAMENT of Bernardino > Fernández de Velasco? I saw it listed in the Index of Boletín No. 3 (March > 2002) but didn't find a way to access it. That would be interesting to > read.>
> > Bill Figueroa
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DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
Diego did serve in Cartagena in early 1530s. have been trying to find information in those archives.
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Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------
Iñigo Fernández de Velasco inherited lands and the title of Duque de Frías. If his brother Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, who married María Enríquez Sarmiento, was childless, then who were the parents of Diego Temiño de Velasco?
> Please explain.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>
> Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco was childless. His brother Inigo inheirted this
> title and lands. Illegitimate children in that family did inherit titles.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
I am actually new at this conversation but am very well familiar with these families. I am related to the Duques de Frías. Actually Bernardino Velasco did have two illigitamte children named Ana
and Bernardino, they both recieved courtesy titles such as Señor de Salazar. In the nobility the upper class of the nobles will not pass main titles to iligítimos since it is seen as as a "disgrace."
In the lower nobility that of Marques, Conde, Vizconde, Hidalgos and others dont really care about
iligitamacy, as long as the "titles stay in the house" it is fine. They would much rather prefer
an iligitmate child in the male descent to succeed than a female line marrying some other famil, then that family obtains that title. This was often watched and if only females were available they would marry a male cousin of the same last name to prevent the titles leaving the house.
The upper nobles are sensitive about iligítimos, since it looks bad in Spanish society, still does
to almost all Spaniards today. (They consist of Dukes, Duquesas, Príncipes, and Princesas and the royal familiy )Princes and Princes are seperate from the royal family since they are Infante/a de España. There are seperate princes and princeses. -Daniel
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Gerónimo de Orozco y Lerma
Carlos Peredo
I found the following information that answers and old question posted here several years ago concerning the pedigree of Gerónimo de Orozco y Lerma; it may be not useful anymore but I post it just in case :
Juan Bautista de Orozco y de Lierna
El nueve de mayo de mil quinientos sesenta y seis, se embarcó en la Nao de las Indias, con destino a Guadalajara, Capital de la Nueva Galicia, el Licenciado don Juan Bautista de Orozco, natural de Sevilla; hijo de Jerónimo de Orozco y de doña Inés de Lerna. En Sevilla quedaban sus padres, pero en la propia Nueva Galicia había hallado solar y ventura un hermano mayor del viajero: el doctor Jerónimo de Orozco, años antes emigrado, Gobernador de ese Reino y Presidente de su Audiencia, casado para entonces con doña Beatriz, sobrina del famoso Oidor de la Nueva España, el Licenciado don Francisco Tello de Sandoval.
Juan Orozco, radicado a la sazoón en la Ciudad de México, fue comisionado virreinal para elegir las tierras convenientes para la fundación de la ciudad de Leon en 1575. El mandato virreinal hubo de cumplimentarse el siguiente veinte de enero de 1576. Nación entonces con parvedad, pero sobre bases firmes que prometían con elocuencia tiempos mejores, la Villa de León de la Nueva España.
http://www.leon-gto.com.mx/la-ciudad-leon/fundacion-i/
Del texto anterior se puede inferir como se forjó el apellido Tello de Orozco
Saludos
Carlos A. Peredo