However, I wanted to share my experience, and perhaps it may be something else for you to explore:My father was born (1912) at Hacienda del Astillero. The church for that Hacienda is called, if I recall correctly, Nuestra Senora, Maria de Los Refugios. An Image can be seen here:http://valparaisozac.webcindario.com/fotovalpa.html#(see under haciendas [not iglesias]- last photo on right).His baptismal record is held at La Purisima church in Valparaiso, Zac., which is the Jurisdictional center (akin to the county seat) - also where civil records for the area would be found.The records for many ranchos in the areas surrounding Valparaiso are found in Valparaiso. It may be that the records you seek are in a larger nearby town.
Natalie

Arturo,

I found a Ma. Trinidad Gonzalez Casillas, daughter of Jose Maria Gonzalez and Julia Casillas in the Jalpa Matrimonios 1827-1838 files, image #89, via the Mormon Church beta search records.

Ma. Trinidad was born in La Villita and married Fermin Pereira Baldovinos (Fermin Pereida Valdovinos) from Ojo de Agua on 9/19/1831.

Assuming Ma. Trinidad was approximately 20 years old when she married, she would be born about 1811. This means that you will not find Jose Maria Gonzalez and Julia Casillas in the Jalpa Matrimonio 1827-1838 files.

----- Original Message -----
From: agon123@gmail.com
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Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:20:52 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa

Hello Group,
I'm been researching the Gonzalez line and I have hit a wall in Jalpa. I am stuck in my inability to find information for Jose Maria Gonzalez who married Julia Casillas. I have found two of his three of his children, Simon, Maria, and Lucas. Lucas is my direct descendant. Based on a marriage bann and marriage for Simon in Teul in 1865, I suspect that Jose Maria married Julia around 1830 (Simon was 35 at his marriage and was from Jalpa). Maria's wedding in 1869 took place in El Plateado (no age given for her--her husband was about 26) and she was from La Villita (between Jalpa and Huanusco). However, I've looked at the Jalpa weddings for 1827-1838 and the Tabasco film for this time period, and I didn't find Jose Maria's or Julia's wedding.

I also looked at Tabasco's bautismos for 1826-1838 and haven't found any baptisms for Simon his brothers and sisters. I've already ordered the film for the next decade to see if I can find Lucas' or Maria's (or other's) baptism record. But so far, I haven't found ANY baptisms for Jalpa in the Tabasco records.

I'm wondering where else I may find baptisms for people from Jalpa?

Also I am going to La Villita in December and was going to try to see the records of the churches in Jalpa and La Villita. Have any of you had success getting access to the books? Any suggestions for how to talk to the priests?

As a side note, I have found some interesting things about my direct ancestor's, Simon, family troubles. He married Valeriana Gonzales (no relation) in 1865, and she was supposedly a virgin "celibe", but there are two records of children born before the wedding, one of which may have been by another man. A few years later though she had several children by other men. The baptisms have the grandparents' info so i know it's the "same" Valeriana.

At first I suspected Simon might have died, but then I found that there were a few other Simon Gonzales from Teul de Gonzalez who had children from different women. Unfortunately, there was no info on the paternal grandparents or age that would help confirm whether these were the same Simons. if the are the same, this meant that Valeriana and Simon must have a very spicy relationship, one worthy of a few mariachi songs or a soap opera!

Arturo

Arturo, Hola en el siguiente registro encuentras a un Lucas en su matrimonio..sé que no es tu Lucas.. pero siendo su contemporáneo del mismo pueblo.. yo no lo descartaría del todo.. porque en las familias se repetían mucho los nombres y los Lucas no son tan comunes, así que aunque no fuese TU Lucas posiblemente, Tranquilino si pudiese ser hermano o su primo.. de tu José Maria Gonzalez.. luego checando aunque te falte una rama.. puedes llegar al tronco común de los Gonzalez de Teúl.. yo he llegado a registros por medio de las cuñadas...pues resulta que a veces un fulanito se casó un una de zacatecas y se fué de su lugar de origen al lugar de origen de la novia, averiguando en su acta de matrimonio di con el pueblo y con los demás hijos.. es comun que si un hermano se casa en una ciudad diferente y se queda ahi.. lo alcancen más hermanos.. éste Lucas pudo ser primo del tuyo... Jose María Gonzalez sólo se casó con Julia Casillas? no tuvo primeros o segundos matrimonios? I will try to check what I can find...Lety R

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Name
Bruno Gonzales Luna

Gender
Male

Baptism/Christening Date
09 Oct 1836

Baptism/Christening Place
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Birth Date

Birthplace
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death Date

Name Note

Race

Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzales

Father's Birthplace

Father's Age

Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Mother's Birthplace

Mother's Age

Paternal Grandfather's Name
Antonio Gonzales

Paternal Grandmother's Name
Mariana

Maternal Grandfather's Name
Victor Luna

Maternal Grandmother's name
Guadalupe Arellano

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
C61704-5

System Origin
Mexico-EASy

Source Film Number
1164320

Reference Number
2:21F36WH

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Name
Lucas Gonzales Luna

Gender
Male

Baptism/Christening Date
22 Oct 1834

Baptism/Christening Place
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Birth Date
18 Oct 1834

Birthplace
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death Date

Name Note

Race

Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzales

Father's Birthplace

Father's Age

Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Mother's Birthplace

Mother's Age

Paternal Grandfather's Name
Antonio Gonzales

Paternal Grandmother's Name
Maria Arias

Maternal Grandfather's Name
Victor Luna

Maternal Grandmother's name
Guadalupe Arellano

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
C61704-5

System Origin
Mexico-EASy

Source Film Number
1164320

Reference Number
2:21F2SST
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Tranquilino Gonzales
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

spouse:
Benita Luna

record title:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

name:
Francisco Gonzales Luna

gender:
Male

baptism/christening date:
20 Sep 1832

baptism/christening place:
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

birth date:
15 Sep 1832

birthplace:
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

father's name:
Tranquilino Gonzales

mother's name:
Benita Luna

paternal grandfather's name:
Antonio Gonzales

paternal grandmother's name:
Dolores Arias

maternal grandfather's name:
Victor Luna

maternal grandmother's name:
Guadalupe Aro

indexing project (batch) number:
C61704-5

system origin:
Mexico-EASy

source film number:
1164320
Maria Lucas Gonzalez Arias
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

residence:
Zacatecas, Mexico

parents:
Antonio Gonzalez, Maria De Arias

record title:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

name:
Maria Lucas Gonzalez Arias

gender:
Female

baptism/christening date:
31 Oct 1813

baptism/christening place:
TEUL DE GONZALEZ ORTEGA,ZACATECAS,MEXICO

father's name:
Antonio Gonzalez

mother's name:
Maria De Arias

maternal grandfather's name:
Antonio Arias

maternal grandmother's name:
Juana Gracian

indexing project (batch) number:
C61704-3

system origin:
Mexico-ODM

source film number:
1164318

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Name
Jose Lucas Carrillo Gonzales

Gender
Male

Baptism/Christening Date
24 Oct 1823

Baptism/Christening Place
Teúl de González Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Birth Date
19 Oct 1823

Birthplace
, Teul De Gonzalez Ortega, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death Date

Name Note

Race

Father's Name
Sisto Carrillo

Father's Birthplace

Father's Age

Mother's Name
Margarita Gonzales

Mother's Birthplace

Mother's Age

Paternal Grandfather's Name
Tomas Carrillo

Paternal Grandmother's Name
Getrudis Miramontes

Maternal Grandfather's Name
Albino Gonzales

Maternal Grandmother's name
Josefa Najar

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
C61704-4

System Origin
Mexico-EASy

Source Film Number
1164319

Reference Number
2:21DZH7D

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Groom's Name
Lucas Gonzalez

Groom's Birth Date
1835

Groom's Birthplace

Groom's Age
30

Bride's Name
Maria De La Presentacion De Llamas

Bride's Birth Date
1843

Bride's Birthplace

Bride's Age
22

Marriage Date
24 Nov 1865

Marriage Place
Teul De Gonzalez Ortega,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzalez

Groom's Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Bride's Father's Name
German De Llamas

Bride's Mother's Name
Luisa De Lamas

Groom's Race

Groom's Marital Status

Groom's Previous Wife's Name

Bride's Race

Bride's Marital Status

Bride's Previous Husband's Name

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
M61705-1

System Origin
Mexico-ODM

Source Film Number
1164334

Reference Number

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Groom's Name
Lucas Gonzalez

Groom's Birth Date
1835

Groom's Birthplace

Groom's Age
30

Bride's Name
Maria De La Presentacion De Llamas

Bride's Birth Date
1843

Bride's Birthplace

Bride's Age
22

Marriage Date
24 Nov 1865

Marriage Place
Teul De Gonzalez Ortega,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzalez

Groom's Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Bride's Father's Name
German De Llamas

Bride's Mother's Name
Luisa De Lamas

Groom's Race

Groom's Marital Status

Groom's Previous Wife's Name

Bride's Race

Bride's Marital Status

Bride's Previous Husband's Name

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
M61705-1

System Origin
Mexico-ODM

Source Film Number
1164334

Reference Number

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Groom's Name
Lucas Gonzalez

Groom's Birth Date
1835

Groom's Birthplace

Groom's Age
30

Bride's Name
Maria De La Presentacion De Llamas

Bride's Birth Date
1843

Bride's Birthplace

Bride's Age
22

Marriage Date
24 Nov 1865

Marriage Place
Teul De Gonzalez Ortega,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Father's Name
Tranquilino Gonzalez

Groom's Mother's Name
Benita Luna

Bride's Father's Name
German De Llamas

Bride's Mother's Name
Luisa De Lamas

Groom's Race

Groom's Marital Status

Groom's Previous Wife's Name

Bride's Race

Bride's Marital Status

Bride's Previous Husband's Name

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
M61705-1

System Origin
Mexico-ODM

Source Film Number
1164334

Reference Number

Jose Maria Gonzales
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950

spouse:
Julia Casillas

record title:
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950

groom's name:
Simon Gonzales

groom's birth date:
1830

groom's age:
35

bride's name:
Valeriana Gonzales

bride's birth date:
1840

bride's age:
25

marriage date:
08 Jun 1865

marriage place:
Teul De Gonzalez Ortega,Zacatecas,Mexico

groom's father's name:
Jose Maria Gonzales

groom's mother's name:
Julia Casillas

bride's father's name:
Juan Gonzales

bride's mother's name:
Bonifacia Castro

indexing project (batch) number:
M61705-1

system origin:
Mexico-ODM

source film number:
1164334
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Groom's Name
Juan Alvares

Groom's Birth Date
1843

Groom's Birthplace

Groom's Age
26

Bride's Name
Maria Gonsales

Bride's Birth Date

Bride's Birthplace

Bride's Age

Marriage Date
18 Mar 1869

Marriage Place
Santa Maria Mecatabasco,Villa Del Refugio,Zacatecas,Mexico

Groom's Father's Name
Manuel Alvares

Groom's Mother's Name
Maria Jesus Gonsales

Bride's Father's Name
Jose Maria Gonsales

Bride's Mother's Name
Julia Casillas

Groom's Race

Groom's Marital Status

Groom's Previous Wife's Name

Bride's Race

Bride's Marital Status

Bride's Previous Husband's Name

Indexing Project (Batch) Number
M60121-6

System Origin
Mexico-ODM

Source Film Number
1094876

Reference Number

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: agon123@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:20:52 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Brick wall in Jalpa
>
> Hello Group,
> I'm been researching the Gonzalez line and I have hit a wall in Jalpa. I am stuck in my inability to find information for Jose Maria Gonzalez who married Julia Casillas. I have found two of his three of his children, Simon, Maria, and Lucas. Lucas is my direct descendant. Based on a marriage bann and marriage for Simon in Teul in 1865, I suspect that Jose Maria married Julia around 1830 (Simon was 35 at his marriage and was from Jalpa). Maria's wedding in 1869 took place in El Plateado (no age given for her--her husband was about 26) and she was from La Villita (between Jalpa and Huanusco). However, I've looked at the Jalpa weddings for 1827-1838 and the Tabasco film for this time period, and I didn't find Jose Maria's or Julia's wedding.
>
> I also looked at Tabasco's bautismos for 1826-1838 and haven't found any baptisms for Simon his brothers and sisters. I've already ordered the film for the next decade to see if I can find Lucas' or Maria's (or other's) baptism record. But so far, I haven't found ANY baptisms for Jalpa in the Tabasco records.
>
> I'm wondering where else I may find baptisms for people from Jalpa?
>
> Also I am going to La Villita in December and was going to try to see the records of the churches in Jalpa and La Villita. Have any of you had success getting access to the books? Any suggestions for how to talk to the priests?
>
> As a side note, I have found some interesting things about my direct ancestor's, Simon, family troubles. He married Valeriana Gonzales (no relation) in 1865, and she was supposedly a virgin "celibe", but there are two records of children born before the wedding, one of which may have been by another man. A few years later though she had several children by other men. The baptisms have the grandparents' info so i know it's the "same" Valeriana.
>
> At first I suspected Simon might have died, but then I found that there were a few other Simon Gonzales from Teul de Gonzalez who had children from different women. Unfortunately, there was no info on the paternal grandparents or age that would help confirm whether these were the same Simons. if the are the same, this meant that Valeriana and Simon must have a very spicy relationship, one worthy of a few mariachi songs or a soap opera!
>
> Arturo
>

As far as checking the records at the church in Jalpa, just from my own
experience. When we went and asked to see their books, they showed us the oldest
book that they had, it was dated 1919. The Priest came out a little up set and
ask where we had gotten a copy of our records that we showed them, that we had
on us that was dated 1891. The church had a fire some time back and according to
him their records were burned. Don't know how LDS has gotten a hold of the
images of any records! But it's awesome.

Wish you success