Miguel Hidalgo yCostilla- Eduardo

Hi, Eduardo, I apologize for not checking sources. I tend to get lazy sometimes.

Will you help me with a question about Portezuelo, Jalisco? I can only find civil registry through FHC. Are there are sources you might know of that cover Portezuelo? I know La Barca has some records from Portezuelo but I haven't seen a whole lot. Do I need to actually visit Portezuelo to do my research. Any ideas? Thank you, I appreciate any information you may give me.

--Esther Jordan Lopez

Does anyone have a copy of the actual christening record for Miguel Gregorio
Antonio Ignacio Hidalgo y Costilla? I have been searching for his christening
record but have come up empty handed. I am aware of the transcript of about
1829 that is found online but I would like to look at the copy of the original,
or if possible eventually the original. Does anyone have a copy or know where I
can find one? Unfortunately the Genealogical Society of Utah did not film the
dates of his christening.

Comment

Esther, I greet you and send you a big hug. I think I can give you some tips about Portezuelo. First, i want to tell you that I visited several times Portezuelo several years ago because I had a friend who was born next town (town´s name is El Tarengo in ancient time and actually it is named Villa Garcia de Marquez). On that time when I visited his family there with him we were doing genealogical research for his family and I visited several places arround. What I can tell you about Portezuelo is that indeed they have principaly civil records, most of it´s church records are in La Barca precisely. The usage of the people in that region in anceint times was the following: the familyis went either to La Barca or to Atotonilco el Alto. In those 2 places you will find the christening registers for most of the families from Portezuelo. There are several town arround named: Milpillas, Margaritas, Sta. Rita, El Tarengo and others that I do not recall now.

Hope this info helps you

Best regards

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

Ser de Luz!!!

> From: esther@enhanced.org
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:44:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Hidalgo yCostilla- Eduardo
>
> Hi, Eduardo, I apologize for not checking sources. I tend to get lazy sometimes.
>
> Will you help me with a question about Portezuelo, Jalisco? I can only find civil registry through FHC. Are there are sources you might know of that cover Portezuelo? I know La Barca has some records from Portezuelo but I haven't seen a whole lot. Do I need to actually visit Portezuelo to do my research. Any ideas? Thank you, I appreciate any information you may give me.
>
> --Esther Jordan Lopez
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the actual christening record for Miguel Gregorio
> Antonio Ignacio Hidalgo y Costilla? I have been searching for his christening
> record but have come up empty handed. I am aware of the transcript of about
> 1829 that is found online but I would like to look at the copy of the original,
> or if possible eventually the original. Does anyone have a copy or know where I
> can find one? Unfortunately the Genealogical Society of Utah did not film the
> dates of his christening.
>
>
>

Miguel Hidalgo yCostilla- Eduardo

Comment

Thank you, Eduardo, and no I am not offended in any way. I am rather grateful to get help
from you if at all possible.

Here's my situation: I got a birth record from Portezuelo for my
great, grandmother, Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez. Her parents were Rosendo Vaca and Anastacia Velasquez; her paternal grand parents were: Vicente Vaca and Dolores Ortiz; her maternal grand parents were Refugio Velasquez and Maria Linares; her padrinos: Blas Luna and Vitola Vaca. The baptism record
from Pbro. Rafael Santana Ortiz, parroco de Ntra. Sra. de Gpe. y Sto. Toribio Romo en
Portezuelo, Jalisco.

Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born 14 March 1881. I cannot seem to find anything for her parents, such as birth, or marriage records. I guesstimate 1860's? I do know that her father Rosendo Vaca was killed before his daughter was born, and that Anastacia remarried a Jose Cerda. This last part is history given to me by my mother.

I know you are a very busy person but I'm hoping to get some ideas on how to continue this research. Thank you. Esther Jordan Lopez, esther@enhanced.org

Esther,

I hope I did not come across as getting after you; that was by no means my
intention; I wanted to just inform people that sources are very important
when doing genealogy or family history; (whichever you prefer) and
particular attention needs to be given to where the original information is
coming from. On a different note, one should always go and look at the film;
there is often additional information that can help in the investigation. So
please forgive me if I was mean in any way again, it was not my intention.
As far as the records for Portezuelo, Jalisco go, I will look into it later
today and post an answer either tonight or tomorrow morning. I work a late
schedule every Wednesday, sorry! What time period are you interested in?

Saludos desde Lago Salado

Eduardo H Seoane
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Hi Esther, its Daniel Mendez! Well I found this (below) not

sure if you have it. We are dealing with Portozuelo,

this might be a bit of a task considering in Los Altos

there was much changes in borders, new cities being created

ownership of land changing. Well Portuzulo is near other

major towns in Los Altos; all whom were customed to travel

to those places and back.

I call: Tepatitlan, La Barca and Ayo el Chico (Ayotlan) and Ocotlan.

It will be common to see people from all this places travel back and

forth; even San Miguel el Alto a bit further north. Have you checked

this other places? I did find Vicente's and Dolores' Marriage.

IGI Individual Record

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VICENTE VACA
Pedigree

Male

Family

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

Death:

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:
DOLORES ORTIS
Family

Marriage:

23 MAR 1843
La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

M602909
1836 - 1861
0281073
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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Thank you, Daniel.
You are right about people traveling in my area. My ancestors are from La Barca, Portezuelo, Jamay, Ocotlan, Guadalajara and I think surrounding areas. I guess I should start by ordering the marriage record of Vicente Vaca and Dolores Ortiz.

Thanks again.
-Esther

Hi Esther, its Daniel Mendez! Well I found this (below) not

sure if you have it. We are dealing with Portozuelo,

this might be a bit of a task considering in Los Altos

there was much changes in borders, new cities being created

ownership of land changing. Well Portuzulo is near other

major towns in Los Altos; all whom were customed to travel

to those places and back.

I call: Tepatitlan, La Barca and Ayo el Chico (Ayotlan) and Ocotlan.

It will be common to see people from all this places travel back and

forth; even San Miguel el Alto a bit further north. Have you checked

this other places? I did find Vicente's and Dolores' Marriage.

IGI Individual Record

Mexico

Search Results | Download | Print

VICENTE VACA
Pedigree

Male

Family

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

Death:

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:
DOLORES ORTIS
Family

Marriage:

23 MAR 1843
La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records
are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

M602909
1836 - 1861
0281073
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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Yup, the marriage should lead you into the late 1700s! Which is good

possible more matches in IGI as one gets older in their tree; especially

in Los Altos where most families if not all have been researched

-Daniel

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Esther,

Daniel has helped you out with some really good information. You might also want to check records in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco which is about the same distance away from Portezuelo as La Barca. However, I would look in La Barca first before anywhere else; especially for the Vaca side of the family.

Good luck!

Eduardo H Seoane

Potrezuelo

Comment

Yes, I forgot Atotonilco, that was the other town in the vicinity. Most of the places I mention,

Esther, used to be part of Tepatitlan, but knowing the spaniards, borders changed, land

was sold, new places were created. Like La Barca used to be part of Tepa, if I am not

mistaken.

-Daniel Mendez

Potrezuelo

Comment

Eduardo,

Thank you! Yes, I believe I recently found a record for one of my Vaca relatives in La Barca. I will also look in Atotonilco el Alto and surrounding areas.

Thank you, and Daniel, and Alessandro! I have new ideas!

-Esther Jordan Lopez

Esther,

Daniel has helped you out with some really good information. You might also
want to check records in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco which is about the same
distance away from Portezuelo as La Barca. However, I would look in La Barca
first before anywhere else; especially for the Vaca side of the family.

Good luck!

Eduardo H Seoane

Potrezuelo

Comment

Daniel,

Thank you for the tips on history and geography. This is improving my research.

I have more places to look into. -Esther Jordan Lopez :-)

Yes, I forgot Atotonilco, that was the other town in the vicinity. Most of the
places I mention,

Esther, used to be part of Tepatitlan, but knowing the spaniards, borders
changed, land

was sold, new places were created. Like La Barca used to be part of Tepa, if I
am not

mistaken.

-Daniel Mendez

Miguel Hidalgo yCostilla- Eduardo

Comment

Alessandro,
Hello, and thank you! This is great. You have given me new ideas to continue my research. I will begin to look into those areas you suggested.

May your life be full of joy! -Esther

Esther, I greet you and send you a big hug. I think I can give you some tips
about Portezuelo. First, i want to tell you that I visited several times
Portezuelo several years ago because I had a friend who was born next town
(town´s name is El Tarengo in ancient time and actually it is named Villa
Garcia de Marquez). On that time when I visited his family there with him we
were doing genealogical research for his family and I visited several places
arround. What I can tell you about Portezuelo is that indeed they have
principaly civil records, most of it´s church records are in La Barca
precisely. The usage of the people in that region in anceint times was the
following: the familyis went either to La Barca or to Atotonilco el Alto. In
those 2 places you will find the christening registers for most of the families
from Portezuelo. There are several town arround named: Milpillas, Margaritas,
Sta. Rita, El Tarengo and others that I do not recall now.

Hope this info helps you

Best regards

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

Ser de Luz!!!

> Antonio Ignacio Hidalgo y Costilla? I have been searching for his christening

> record but have come up empty handed. I am aware of the transcript of about
> 1829 that is found online but I would like to look at the copy of the
original,
> or if possible eventually the original. Does anyone have a copy or know where
I
> can find one? Unfortunately the Genealogical Society of Utah did not film the

> dates of his christening.
>
>
>

vaca family

Comment

Esther,

Miguel Vaca and Luz Cazarez are 3rd Great Grandparents, they lived in Ario De Rayon, Michocan before moving to Coalcoman, Michoacan in the 1870's. Ario de Rayon is close to La Barca could we be related ?

Rafael Meraz

vaca family

Comment

I don't know if we connect yet. I do have a Francisco Vaca (aka Cabesa de
Baca) b. about 1758 married to Lugarda Cuevas (aka De la Cueva) b. abt 1761,
married 12 February 1781, San Francisco de Asis, Ixtlan, Michoacan.

Some of their children were:
Jose Rafhael Cavesa Cueva, b. 11 Jan. 1796, San Francisco, Tamazula de
Gordiano, Jalisco (C603753 1783-1804, film #0225985.)

*Vicente Vaca, b. 1797 (my direct line). *I have info for them but I need
to confirm some dates.

Jose (Josse) Miguel Salome Cabeza Cuevas, ch. 7 July 1789, San Agustin,
Jacona de Placarte, Michoacan

I was hoping to work on this line but just haven't had time to do so. Maybe
this would be a good time and start working on it. :-)

I'll keep your names and see if I find anything.

Esther Lopez Jordan

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:44 PM, wrote:

> Esther,
>
> Miguel Vaca and Luz Cazarez are 3rd Great Grandparents, they lived in Ario
> De Rayon, Michocan before moving to Coalcoman, Michoacan in the 1870's. Ario
> de Rayon is close to La Barca could we be related ?
>
> Rafael Meraz
>

vaca family

Comment

Ok Thanks When I find out Miguel Vaca parents names I will let you know.

Rafael Meraz Madrigal

________________________________
From: Esther Jordan
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 6:57:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family

Some of their children were:
Jose Rafhael Cavesa Cueva, b. 11 Jan. 1796, San Francisco, Tamazula de
Gordiano, Jalisco (C603753 1783-1804, film #0225985.)

*Vicente Vaca, b. 1797 (my direct line). *I have info for them but I need
to confirm some dates.

Jose (Josse) Miguel Salome Cabeza Cuevas, ch. 7 July 1789, San Agustin,
Jacona de Placarte, Michoacan

I was hoping to work on this line but just haven't had time to do so. Maybe
this would be a good time and start working on it. :-)

I'll keep your names and see if I find anything.

Esther Lopez Jordan

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:44 PM, wrote:

vaca family

Comment

My name is Daniel Briones,

I have a Francisco Cabeza de Vaca married to a Josefa Lopez in Ixtlan, Michoacan. I was wondering if you think that these Cabeza de Vacas are possibly related?

Thanks,

Daniel Briones

> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:45:36 -0700
> From: merazrafael@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family
>
> Ok Thanks When I find out Miguel Vaca parents names I will let you know.
>
> Rafael Meraz Madrigal
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Esther Jordan
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 6:57:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family
>
> I don't know if we connect yet. I do have a Francisco Vaca (aka Cabesa de
> Baca) b. about 1758 married to Lugarda Cuevas (aka De la Cueva) b. abt 1761,
> married 12 February 1781, San Francisco de Asis, Ixtlan, Michoacan.
>
> Some of their children were:
> Jose Rafhael Cavesa Cueva, b. 11 Jan. 1796, San Francisco, Tamazula de
> Gordiano, Jalisco (C603753 1783-1804, film #0225985.)
>
> *Vicente Vaca, b. 1797 (my direct line). *I have info for them but I need
> to confirm some dates.
>
> Jose (Josse) Miguel Salome Cabeza Cuevas, ch. 7 July 1789, San Agustin,
> Jacona de Placarte, Michoacan
>
> I was hoping to work on this line but just haven't had time to do so. Maybe
> this would be a good time and start working on it. :-)
>
> I'll keep your names and see if I find anything.
>
> Esther Lopez Jordan
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:44 PM, wrote:
>
> > Esther,
> >
> > Miguel Vaca and Luz Cazarez are 3rd Great Grandparents, they lived in Ario
> > De Rayon, Michocan before moving to Coalcoman, Michoacan in the 1870's. Ario
> > de Rayon is close to La Barca could we be related ?
> >
> > Rafael Meraz
> >
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vaca family

Comment

Daniel,

I just started my research on my Vaca line so I dont know but Ixtlan and Ario de
Rayon are close so I think that they are related.

Rafael Meraz

________________________________
From: Daniel Briones
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 9:54:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family

My name is Daniel Briones,

I have a Francisco Cabeza de Vaca married to a Josefa Lopez in Ixtlan,
Michoacan. I was wondering if you think that these Cabeza de Vacas are possibly
related?

Thanks,

Daniel Briones

I have found a connection !!

Comment

While researching my Vaca line I have found that I too am a descendant of Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas. I am a descendant of theirs through their son Miguel Vaca who married Dolores Ochoa in Ixtlan in 1822.

Rafael Meraz

I have found a connection !!

Comment

Rafael, Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas are my direct
descendants; I do need to get confirmation for Rosendo Vaca who married my
gggrandmother, Anastacia Velasquez. All I have is that he was killed before
my ggrandmother Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born. I have an original
birth certificate for my ggrandmother and it has all these names that
connect them.
Does that mean we are cousins?
-Esther Jordan Lopez

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, wrote:

> While researching my Vaca line I have found that I too am a descendant of
> Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas. I am a descendant of theirs
> through their son Miguel Vaca who married Dolores Ochoa in Ixtlan in 1822.
> Rafael Meraz

I have found a connection !!

Comment

Yes, we are distant cousins. Have you found Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas marriage ?
I have looked for it in the date given but could not find it. I have a photo of my 2nd Great grandmother Maria Vaca Verduzco.
Rafael Meraz

From: Esther Jordan
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I have found a connection !!

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, wrote:

I have found a connection !!

Comment

Rafael, I don't have photos scanned I can share with you at this time but
hope to have my scanner working soon and I can share a picture or two of my
great grandmother. And if you have your ggrandmother's scanned picture will
you email it to me?

I guess I had better start working more on that line. I do remember my
grandmother, Librada Vaca de Gutierrez, used to go to Michoacan often.
There were family members living there. I was just 5 years old at the time
so I don't remember all the stuff I used to hear from her. So Daniel, you
may have just found our ancestor.
-Esther

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Rafael Meraz wrote:

> Yes, we are distant cousins. Have you found Francisco Cabesa de Baca and
> Lugarda Cuevas marriage ?
> I have looked for it in the date given but could not find it. I have a
> photo of my 2nd Great grandmother Maria Vaca Verduzco.
> Rafael Meraz
>
> From: Esther Jordan
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 8:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I have found a connection !!
>
> Rafael, Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas are my direct
> descendants; I do need to get confirmation for Rosendo Vaca who married my
> gggrandmother, Anastacia Velasquez. All I have is that he was killed
> before
> my ggrandmother Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born. I have an
> original
> birth certificate for my ggrandmother and it has all these names that
> connect them.
> Does that mean we are cousins?
> -Esther Jordan Lopez
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, wrote:
>
> > While researching my Vaca line I have found that I too am a descendant of
> > Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas. I am a descendant of theirs
> > through their son Miguel Vaca who married Dolores Ochoa in Ixtlan in
> 1822.
> > Rafael Meraz
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I have found a connection !!

Comment

I have a Jose Miguel Salome Cabeza de Vaca baptized in San Agustin, Jacona de Plancarte, Michoacan
on 7 Jul 1799 parents are Francisco Cabeza de Vaca and Lugarda Cuevas.

They also had Jose Rafael Cabeza de Vaca baptized in San Francisco, Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco
on 11 Jan 1796. They married 12 Feb 1781 San Francisco de Asis, Ixtlan, Michoacan, Mexico.

How far have you traced it? They might very well be from Zamora, Michoacan, where my paternal family
lived for two centuries.

Daniel Méndez Camino

I have found a connection !!

Comment

The Cabeza de Vaca were a prominant family in Zamora, Michoacan as early as the beginning of
the XVII century. By birth they were and are today hijosdalgo. A family lore that I was told was
the King of Castilla, I believe it was it was one of the Alfonsos in the XIII century were traveling on a path.
So to not get lost the king commanded the man to kill the cow and remove the head and set it on the path.
During the reconquista the family became hijosdalgos and took on the name Cabeza de Vaca. Similar stories like those
of the Vargas Machuca family.

Daniel Méndez Camino

I have found a connection !!

Comment

Hello Daniel,

The surname was granted to Martín Alhaja, a shephard, who aided the
Castilian King Alfonso VIII during the Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa in 1212
A.D. Alhaja, who knew the area, placed a cow skull on the road that led to
the battlefield, an unguarded pass in the Sierra Moreno. The Spanish
Christian King surprised the Moorish army and defeated them. This was the
first significant victory for the Christian Spanish during their reconquest
of Spain. He was awarded a coat-of-arms that included a cow skulls in its
design.

Armando

2011/7/6 Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

>
> The Cabeza de Vaca were a prominant family in Zamora, Michoacan as early as
> the beginning of
> the XVII century. By birth they were and are today hijosdalgo. A family
> lore that I was told was
> the King of Castilla, I believe it was it was one of the Alfonsos in the
> XIII century were traveling on a path.
> So to not get lost the king commanded the man to kill the cow and remove
> the head and set it on the path.
> During the reconquista the family became hijosdalgos and took on the name
> Cabeza de Vaca. Similar stories like those
> of the Vargas Machuca family.
>
>
>
> Daniel Méndez Camino
>

Miguel Hidalgo yCostilla- Eduardo

Comment

Esther,

Saludos desde Lago Salado

Eduardo H Seoane

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