I can’t understand the marriage references to Joseph Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Gertrudis Romero. It looks like she is the daughter of Lucas Romero de Chaves and petronila Gonzalez de Hermosillo but the record says she is Gertrudis Romero de Mora or Zamora.
Can someone clear this up for me?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-D2XQ-8?i=118&wc=3JW5-VZ3%3…
Thank you for your help.
Linda Romero
Royal ancestry of Linda
Dear Linda,
The comment of third and fourth cousins marrying repeatedly in your family tree brings up a story on one of your ancestors. A king who was married went to spend the summer at the home of a distant cousin. He had a summer fling with his distant cousins daughter and got her pregnant. After a daughter was born from this summer fling, the newly born daughter was taken and raised as royalty as she was the first born of this king. He had a family member raise her. Many years later this King was at war with another king that was a descendant of el Cid.
After the war, peace was made and a marriage was negotiated to help keep the peace. This illegitimate daughter was married to the other king and they had two daughters. After this much older king died after six years of marriage, she remarried and had more children. You descend from this second marriage.
She and her second husband were held in high regard by the king as he was her half brother. Her second husband helped govern Asturias and she was known as the queen of Asturias as she had been previously been married to a king, a daughter to the king, and half sister to a king. Asturias was not a separate Kingdom and was part of her half brothers kingdom.
She and her second husband became greedy and attempted to break away the kingdom of Asturias and claimed to be their official King and Queen. It did not go well for them and they lost their high standing in the royal court. If they had left well enough alone she could have continued to be called the unofficial Queen of Asturias and he could of continued helping govern the area. He had his eyes taken out as punishment for trying to become the King of Asturias.
R.A. Ricci
Gertrudis Romero de Chaves
Thank you all for your help. It seems my family almost always married third and fourth cousins. I have found a lot of information in the marriage investigations and baptism records. However, that Gertrudis took her great grandmother's surname, Zamora, instead of her father's, mother's, or grandmother's surname confused me. I don't speak Spanish but I have learned to pick out the relevant information from FamilySearch.org records. However, I still need help in figuring out some of the family connections. They are quite complicated.
Linda Romero
Surname complications
Dear Linda,
I agree that the use of different surnames makes research complicated at times, but I have also used this practice to look for clues as to the ancestry. This line that you are researching is one that I have worked on for a long time. It is part of my book that shows how many founding families were related to each other in Spain before coming over to Nueva Galicia. I trace some of Lucas's ancestors back many centuries. You will find the changing of a surname to be a common practice. Even though at first I did not like the complications of the multiple surnames, I have found that it was excellent practice for the work that I am doing in Spain and Italy. What has made this work easier is the practice of "marrying cousins" provides a wealth of information that help explain the changing surnames.
Good Luck in your research,
Rick A. Ricci
Surname complications
I envy your ability to read the Matrimonios and research back to Spain and Italy. I am very interested in learning more about Lucas Romero de Chaves ancestry prior to and after immigration. My brothers and I are directly descended from Lucas and would like to learn more about our family. Is your book for sale? Do you have any suggestions on researching my family in English?
I know so many birth, death, and marriage dates, but no stories about who they were and how they lived.
Please keep me informed about your research of the founding families. I am amazed by how they are all related.
Linda Romero
romero89 AT earthlink.net
Language complications
Dear Linda,
Unfortunately I don't have any suggestions on researching in English. It is not only Spanish that is important in researching our ancestors. Portuguese, basque (Euskara), Latin, French, Italian, Hebrew, Arabic, and even German are languages that I have encountered in my research. Many of these languages have different dialects which makes it even more difficult.
I am still adding more information to my book and it isn't ready to be published. I will let you know when it is finally published.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
complications
Having recently joined NR, I get a sense that I am about ten years too late and I have so much to learn.
The statement you made has me very curious: "It is part of my book that shows how many founding families were related to each other in Spain before coming over to Nueva Galicia."
Is there a list of these founding families on this site?
As for marrying cousins, I see several surnames in both maternal and paternal branches of the family.
Thanks,
hijadelcharro
Romero de Chavez Zamora
The Zamora comes from both Lucas Romero de Chavez's father and mother; and the de la Mora comes from his maternal grandmother.
Lucas is the son of Nicola Romero de Chavez and Maria Alcala y Mendoza
Nicolas is the son of Alonso Romero de Chavez and Juana Maria Zamora
Maria Alcala y Mendoza is the daughter of Juan-Lucas Alcala y de Orosco and Juana de la Mora de Aviña Mendoza
Juan-Lucas Alcala Orosco y Zamora is the son of Juan Alcala y Orosco (III) and Isabel Zamora
R.A.Ricci
Gertrudis Romero de Chaves
Linda,
She is the daughter of Lucas Romero de Chavez and Petronila Gonzalez de
Hermosillo. You can see her ancestors here on the Wikitree:
http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Romero%20Zamora-Family-Tree-1
Danny C. Alonso
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Linda wrote:
> I can’t understand the marriage references to Joseph Gonzalez de
> Hermosillo and Gertrudis Romero. It looks like she is the daughter of
> Lucas Romero de Chaves and petronila Gonzalez de Hermosillo but the record
> says she is Gertrudis Romero de Mora or Zamora.
>
> Can someone clear this up for me?
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-D2XQ-8?i=118&wc=3JW5-VZ3%3…
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Linda Romero