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Hi all,

I’m hoping to start some conversation about two Orozco-Villasenor sisters and a possible third who seem to have lived around Jalostotitlan and Tepatitlan in the early 1600s.

The first is Petronila de Orozco Villasenor cc Alvaro de Ornelas Mendoza el Mozo. They are the progenitors of the Ornelas-Villasenor family. A 1716 dispensa for her great-grandson Juan Antonio Ornelas Pastra cc Feliciana Sanchez Camacho identifies a sister for Petronila.

The tree looks like this:

Petronila de Orozco -1- Maria de Orozco
Nicolas Ornelas -2- Lucas Sanchez de Mendoza
Pedro Ornelas -3- Feliciana Sanchez (pretensa)
Juan Antonio Ornelas (pretenso) -4- (N/A)

This Maria de Orozco Villasenor was married to Jose Sanchez de Mendoza, the son of Maria Sanchez de Mendoza and grandson of Juan Sanchez de Lara and Martha Sanchez de Mendoza. They had a number of children who lived around Jalostotitlan and San Juan de los Lagos.
Another dispensa from 1761 may identify another sister. It is a dispensation for Manuel Geronimo Cervantes Leonel and Micaela Antonia Vanegas. The only problem is the tree as given seems to be missing a generation. Here is the tree as given by Dn Jose Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza, 56 years old:

Jose Sanchez -1- Jose Cervantes I
Maria Sanchez -2- Jose Cervantes II
J. Manuel Vanegas -3- Jose Cervantes III
Micaela Antonia Vanegas -4- Manuel Geronimo Cervantes

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6L9X-SN?i=135&cc=18745…

Comparing this tree with other records of this family, things don’t seem to add up. For one Jose Manuel Vanegas was the son of Gaspar Vanegas de Torres cc Maria Sanchez de Orozco and Jose Cervantes I was the son of Leonel de Cervantes and Leonor de Orozco. I did not know the parents of Maria Sanchez de Orozco, but it does not make sense that her father is the child of Leonel de Cervantes and Leonor de Orozco.

It seems to me that the testigo made the two primos hermanos just hermanos (lucky for us, since a parentesco en quinto grado doesn’t need a dispensa). I would argue that it makes more sense, then, to place Jose Sanchez (the father of Maria Sanchez de Orozco) as the son of Jose Sanchez de Mendoza and Maria de Orozco Villasenor. The revised tree would look like this:

Maria Orozco -1- Leonor Orozco
Jose Sanchez -2- Jose Cervantes I
Maria Sanchez -3- Jose Cervantes II
J. Manuel Vanegas -4- Jose Cervantes III
Micaela Antonia Vanegas -5- Manuel Geronimo Cervantes

That would make Leonor Orozco cc Leonel de Cervantes a sister of Petronila de Orozco Villasenor cc Alvaro de Ornelas and Maria de Orozco Villasenor cc Jose Sanchez de Mendoza. What do you all think? With all that said, does anyone have any idea who the parents of Petronila, Maria, and possibly Leonor might be? I am also interested in any other information about Leonel de Cervantes that anyone might have.

Thanks!
Richard

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ibarra55

4 years 2 months ago

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Hello Everyone,

I think I may have found a lead on our Leonel de Cervantes married to Leonor de Orozco. Their son Jose de Cervantes (married to Isabel Carranza) was a testigo For the dispensa of Miguel Hernandez Goyas and Luisa Becerra. As part of his testimony he admits to being a relative of Miguel's in the 4th degree (though, I think it is really 3rd and 4th degree). Here is the link to the dispensa and Jose's testimony:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6TSK-5G?i=276&cc=18745…

Miguel Hernandez was the son of Antonio Hernandez Goyas (Vasquez) and Leonor Casillas, the grandson of a Francisco Vasquez Hernandez, and a great-grandson of Martin Vasquez de Lara and Isabel Hernandez. Martin was the son of Martin Vasquez Zermeño and Ana Garcia de Miranda, the brother of Baltazar Vasquez de Lara (Luisa's ancestor) and of Elvira Gil de Lara Vasquez. Mariano Gonzalez Leal cites Elvira as married to a Jeronimo de Cervantes Orozco, with at least one daughter named Maria who was under the guardianship of her grandfather Martin Vasquez Zermeño before he died. I believe that Jose de Cervantes's testimony suggests Jeronimo and Elvira were also the parents of Leonel Cervantes (married to Leonor de Orozco).

The testimony of the other two witnesses, Nicolas de Ornelas and Tomas Sánchez de Mendoza exclude the parentesco being from Leonor de Orozco. Both of these were Jose de Cervantes's cousins, the sons of Leonor's two sisters Petronila and Maria discussed earlier in this thread. However, they both stated that the generales did not apply to them, leaving the relationship with Miguel Hernandez Goyas to be through Jose's father Leonel.

What do you all think? Does anyone have more on this Jeronimo de Cervantes Orozco?

There is one other aspect that might help us go further with this family. There was another Geronimo de Cervantes Villaseñor in Jalostotitlan who was married to Ana Muñoz Lozano de Hermosillo. They lived with their family at La Cañada de Don Geronimo de Villaseñor. Could he be a descendant of the earlier Jeronimo de Cervantes Orozco that was married to Elvira Gil de Lara? The only clue I have to his ancestors is the testimony of Joaquin de Anda Flores de la Torre for the marriage of Geronimo's daughter, where he says he is her relative.

Joaquin Is the great-grandson of Esteban de Anda Altamirano and his wife Catalina. Esteban also had three daughters with his first wife Beatriz de Barroso y Vera who married Cevantes Villaseñors. Their daughter Bernarda married Francisco Villaseñor and were involved in a lengthy legal battle over inheritence with Bernarda's half-brother Pedro. One unnamed daughter was married to a Tomas Cervantes (who seem to have lived in Puruándiro). Another named Beatriz was married to none other than a Leonel de Cervantes! These three were the albaceas of Beatriz's will according to Gonzalez Leal. Could Geronimo de Cervantes Villaseñor be a descendant of one of these three? Could they also be related to the Jeronimo Cervantes married to Elvira Gil de Lara?

Here is the link to Joaquin's testimony:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYSM-P1?i=388&wc=3J45-…

I hope we can continue to put the pieces together and crack this one very soon.

-Richard

Hi all, I want to throw out a theory to see if anyone might have evidence that could confirm, or that contradicts, it regarding the parents of these sisters.

The crucial clue might be from Manny’s work on the Avalos family. He posted his notes on the children of Alonso de Avalos and Catalina de Orozco a few years ago:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23537

I had not noticed before, but it seems that the dates accompanying the earliest siblings he lists are for their confirmation. Is that correct?

If so that opens the possibility of the daughters being the children of this couple. The only name missing from the list is Petronila de Orozco Villasenor cc Alvaro de Ornelas, who seems the be the eldest of the sisters. The other two, Maria and Leonor, seem to be within the right range for their ages to be identified with the two daughters of Alonso and Catalina of that name.

For example, Maria de Avalos Orozco was baptized in San Francisco del Rincon in Jun 1622, while her father was the mayordomo of the hacienda of Jalpa.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KGH2-F?i=309&cc=188338…

She was about two years old when she was confirmed in Lagos de Moreno, meaning there might be a good range among the birth dates of the other siblings confirmed on that date. This would also put Maria right on target for a marriage to Jose Sanchez de Mendoza around 1640. See also the ages of her children in the Jalos padron:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-W9MF?cat=2302988

If that is the correct Maria de Orozco, that would allow us to link the Leonor de Avalos confirmed in 1624 with the one married to Leonel de Cervantes.

What do you all think?

-Richard

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R.A.Ricci

6 years 3 months ago

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I descend from Petronila Orosco Villaseñor and Alvaro Ornelas el Mozo. Thank you tocayo for identifying her siblings. Hopefully your findings lead to their parents.

Maria de Orozco Villasenor and Jose Sanchez de Mendoza, are the parents of at least two children. Their son Melchor Sanchez de Mendoza is married on 15/May/1687 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco to Isabel Gutierrez De Hermosillo (daughter of Sebastian Gutierrez De Hermosillo Aceves and Maria Galindo (aka Becerra). A second son is Lucas Sanchez De Mendoza married to Josefa Camacho Riquelme.

Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci

I don't know anything about these families but I see a mention of Ornelas and Mendoza and was wondering if anyone knows the parents of Jose de Ornelas y Mendoza that was born about 1650 and married to Melchora Perez de Frias. I'm thinking it may be Alvaro de Ornelas and Petronila de Orozco.

Danny,

I am not sure who the parents of José de Ornelas married to Melchora Pérez de Frías are. Based on the timeline and place and the fact the surname Villaseñor plays a key role in this line (see below) it almost requires him to be the son of Alvaro de Ornelas y Hurtado de Mendoza and Petronila de Orozco, but anything is possible. He does have two sons that used the surname "Ornelas y Villaseñor" which a nice clue for us. I have the following children all baptized and/or married in Teocaltiche:

1. Bernardo de Ornelas y Villaseñor married on to María Gabriela Sánchez Carrillo on 23 May 1731.

2. Luis de Ornelas y Villaseñor, baptized on 24 Jan 1677 and present marriage information on 22 Jun 1708 to marry Matiana Ruiz de la Fuente y Ulloa, daughter of Antonio Ruiz de la Fuente and Mariana de Ulloa.

3. José baptized on 17 Oct 1681. Melchora uses Pérez [de Frías]

4. Felipe baptized on 9 Sep 1683 - Melchora uses Pérez [de Frías]

5. Gerónimo baptized on 18 Aug 1686 - Melchora uses Sotomayor

6. María baptized on 1 Jan 1689. - Melchora uses "de los Reyes"

I have not found documentation to establish the parentage of Melchora, but we know she used Reyes, Sotomayor and Pérez/Pérez de Frías which makes me believe she is the daughter of Diego Pérez de Frías and Elena de Sotomayor. This couple baptizes one daughter, possibly the youngest. I can document Gertrudis on 12 Apr 1674 in Teocaltiche. Can anyone substantiate this or share any possible clues to this?

This line is close to me as I descend from Álvaro de Ornelas and Petronila de Orozco, thru their son Andrés de Ornelas y Mendoza and his wife María de las Nieves Sánchez de Mendoza, my 9th great grandparents. If you follow the line down to me, you'll run into the line that relocated to Real y Minas de Guanajuato.

Always more to research,

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Confirmed on 31 Dec 1666, in Teocaltiche, was Melchora de los Rs hija de Pedro Ps y de Elena de Sotomayor. Left image:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-QTRH-7?i=43&cc=1874591

Jose de Ornelas and Melchora de los Reyes also appear in the 1681 Teocaltiche padron, living in the household of Diego Perez and Elena de Sotomayor.

Manny Diez Hermosillo

Thank you Rick and Manny! This solidifies the connection: the confirmation, padrón and dispensa. Do you think "de los Reyes" is more of a personal name in this case or can we follow Melchora's genealogy to link this as a surname? Rick would you have more information on the dispensa you mentioned, I would like to analyze it.

Thanks,

Daniel MdTC

You’re welcome, Daniel. “Melchora de los Reyes” was apparently an ancestral name that was handed down in various alteña families. I think Holcombe traced the name back to Rodrigo de Carvajal y Ulloa and Melchora de los Reyes, who would be the progenitor in Los Altos. Their daughter, also Melchora de los Reyes, married Luis Delgadillo de Frias, from whom descend the Delgadillo de Frias and Perez de Frias. Most holders of the name would alternate between “Melchora de los Reyes” and “Melchora + surname/s.”

Dispensas:

Miguel Ornelas cc Juana Gertrudis Tejeda: establishes Nicolas Perez Sotomayor & Melchora Perez are siblings:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XZ9Y-NG?i=165&cc=18745…
Bernardo Ornelas Villasenor cc Ma Gabriela Sanchez Carrillo: confirms that Melchora is hija de Elena de Sotomayor.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-61ZH?i=695&wc=SS29-DPD

Manny Diez Hermosillo

This is great information. Thanks everyone. Manny, do you know how Melchora Perez de Frias descends from Luis Delgadillo de Frias and Melchora de los Reyes? If Melchora Perez de Frias is the daughter of Diego Perez de Frias and Diego is the son of Juan Perez de Frias and Ana Lopez, is Juan Perez de Frias the son of Luis Delgadillo de Frias and Melchora de los Reyes?

Dear Daniel,

Many years ago when discussing the Vasquez Baca you mentioned that Petronila de Orozco might be a sister of Leonor de Orozco married to Juan Alcalá. What made the connection for you and do you still believe they are sisters?

Thank you and everyone else for the information about the Ornelas descendants. I have some additional notes on Jose de Ornelas Mendoza that I will try to put together and share soon.

Richard

Dear Richard,

The Leonor Orosco that is married to Juan Alcala y Zamora does not have Cervantes as part of her surname. She is a descendant of Diego Orosco Tovar and Ana De Mejia ((Mexia). I also descend from them. This Diego is a brother to Capitán Juan De Villaseñor Orosco that is married to Catalina Cervantes.

This Leonor Orosco is the daughter of Juan Lucas Morcillo and Isabel Orosco.(daughter of Pedro Hernandez De Aguilera and Beatriz Orozco y Tovar) ( Beatriz is the daughter of Diego Orosco De Tovar and Ann

I misunderstood your earlier post. My misunderstooding was that Petronila had a sibling with the surname Cervantes, but you wrote that it is the wife of Leonel Cervantes, Leonor Orosco, that is the sibling of Petronila; so we are still left wondering which of the Villaseñor brothers is the ancestor to these sisters.
Rick A. Ricci

Does anyone know who are the parents of Catalina de Orozco that's married to Alonso de Avalos?

Does anyone know who are the parents of Catalina de Orozco that's married to Alonso de Avalos?

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ibarra55

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I don't know who her parents were, but one website claims she was the daughter of Juan Lucas Murillo and Isabel de Orozco.

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