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I have found some sources that give some genealogy on Diego Temiño de Velasco’s wife Francisca de Alcocer. I would like to hear your comments and any information you could share as to whether what has been published here is valid.
Francisca de Alcocer
Father: jurado Hernando de Bañuelos
Mother: Isabel de Alcocer
Paternal Grandfather: Alonso Ruiz de Temiño
Paternal Grandmother: Juana de Bañuelos
Maternal Grandfather: jurado Diego de Alcocer
Maternal Grandmother: Blanca Núñez
Maternal Maternal Great Grandfather: Pedro de Toledo
Maternal Maternal Great Grandmother: Beatriz Fernández
Here are the sources:
There are postings on the nuestrosranchos.org that say that the parents of Francisca de Alcocer were jurado Hernando de Bañuelos and Isabel de Alcocer:
“Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos y Alcocer, hija del Alcaide de Temiño don Diego
de Velasco y de doña Francisca de Alcocer, quien fuera hija del Jurado don
Hernando de Bañuelos y de doña Beatriz de Alcocer, naturales de Bureba.
Burgos en Castilla la Vieja, España.”
- (Unconfirmed) Historia familiar, detallada genealogía...Por Leonardo De la Torre y Berumen
The parents of Francisca de Alcocer’s father, jurado Hernando de Bañuelos, were Alonso Ruiz de Temiño and Juana de Bañuelos. The parents of Francisca de Alcocer’s mother, Isabel de Alcocer, were jurado Diego de Alcocer and Blanca Núñez:
“Alonso Ruiz de Temiño, marido de Da Juana de Bañuelos, vecinos de Temiño. Hijos:
1) Fernando Bañuelos de Temiño, jurado, marido de Isabel de Alcocer, hija del jurado "Diego de Alcocer y de Blanca Núñez (San Bartolomé).”
- p. 386 Los conversos y la Inquisición sevillana, Volume 5 Juan Gil
The parents of Blanca Núñez were Pedro de Toledo and Beatriz Fernández:
“2) Diego de Alcocer, jurado, marido de "Blanca Núñez, hija de "Pedro de Toledo y de Beatriz Fernández (San Bartolomé).”
-p. 208 Los conversos y la Inquisición sevillana, Volume 5 Juan Gil
There are some references to a Alonso Ruiz de Temiño in 1491 suing over his grandfather el comendador Sancho Sanchez de Velasco’s estate. If this is the same person, then this may be where the speculation comes over Gral. Baltazar Temiño Bañuelos being a descendent of the Count of Haro.
En Español:
He encontrado algunas fuentes que ofrecen una visión genealógica de la esposa de Diego Temiño de Velasco Francisca de Alcocer. Me gustaría escuchar sus comentarios y cualquier información que pudiera compartir en cuanto a si lo que se ha publicado aquí es válido.
Francisca de Alcocer
Padre: Jurado Hernando de Bañuelos
Madre: Isabel de Alcocer
Abuelo paterno: Alonso Ruiz de Temiño
Abuela paterna: Juana de Bañuelos
Abuelo materno: Jurado Diego de Alcocer
Abuela materna: Blanca Núñez
Derivada de la maternidad materna bisabuelo: Pedro de Toledo
Derivada de la maternidad materna bisabuela: Beatriz Fernández
Aquí están las fuentes:
Hay publicaciones en el nuestrosranchos.org que dicen que los padres de Francisca de Alcocer se Jurado Hernando de Bañuelos e Isabel de Alcocer:
"Mariana de Temiño Bañuelos y Alcocer, hija del Alcaide de don Diego Temiño de Velasco y de doña Francisca de Alcocer, Quien Fuera hija del Jurado don Hernando de Bañuelos y de doña Beatriz de Alcocer, Naturales de Bureba. Burgos en Castilla la Vieja, España. "
- (Sin confirmar) Historia familiar, Genealogía detallada ... Por Leonardo De la Torre y Berumen
"Alonso Ruiz de Temiño, marido de Da Juana de Bañuelos, los vecinos de Temiño. Hijos:
1) Fernando Bañuelos de Temiño, Jurado, marido de Isabel de Alcocer, hija del Jurado "Diego de Alcocer y de Blanca Núñez (San Bartolomé)."
- P. 386 Los conversos y la Inquisición sevillana, Tomo 5 Juan Gil
"2) Diego de Alcocer, Jurado, marido de Blanca Núñez, hija de Pedro de Toledo y de Beatriz Fernández (San Bartolomé)."
-P. 208 Los conversos y la Inquisición sevillana, Tomo 5 Juan Gil
Hay algunas referencias a un Alonso Ruiz de Temiño en 1491 demandó sobre bienes de su abuelo El Comendador Sancho Sánchez de Velasco. Si esta es la misma persona, entonces esto puede ser donde la especulación se acerca Gral. Baltazar Temiño Bañuelos ser un descendiente del Conde de Haro.
Raider Jim Plunkett
Francisca de Alcocer and Diego Temiño de Velasco are ancestors of retired Raider Quarterback Jim Plunkett. I grew up a big fan of his. Cool to know we are distant cousins. This is the second Raider in my family tree. I am repeatedly related to retired Raider Coach Tom Flores.
Rick A. Ricci
Primeros comentarios
A reserva de precisar en su oportunidad la información de la que dispongo, Francisca de Alcocer fue mujer del llamado "Alcaide Temiño", y, entre otros hijos tuvieron a Ana y Baltazar.
Ana casó con el conquistador Pedro Pacho con quien tuvo a tres hijas que casaron con Diego Flores de la Torre, Diego de Padilla Dávila y el Mayorazgo Porres Baranda. Tengo localizados en el Sagrario de México los bautizos de esas tres hijas: Angela, Mariana y Bernardina.
Ana casó en segundas nupcias en Guadalajara con Francisco de Figueroa, quien se convirtió en el tutor de las hijas de ella con Pedro Pacho; también tengo localizado el documento de "tutela" que lo comprueba.
Por esa razón, el Chantre Diego Flores de la Torre, erroneamente titula a su Memorial como "Descendencia de los Figueroa, Flores de la Torre, Padilla Dávila y Porres Baranda", y lo hace de esa manera, pues ignoró que las hijas de Ana se apellidaron Pacho. Me refiero al manuscrito Bancroft, del cual hice paleografía y transcripción hace veinte años y lo publicó, sin que se relacione con el tema, el historiador Rodolfo Fernández en un libro sobre Haciendas de Cocula, publicado por el INAH; insisto, sin que el contenido del mencionado manuscrito tuviera que ver en lo absoluto con el tema del libro de Fernández. Cuando por primera vez le toqué a Fernández el tema de este manuscrito, fue con la finalidad de editarlo por separado y poner notas para identificar a cada personaje mencionado y, para empezar, decir que las tres hijas de Ana no se apellidaban Figueroa sino Pacho, como lo aclaró en su momento el eminente genealogista Francisco Javier de Castaños y Cañedo. Sin embargo, ahora disponemos de su contenido como un apéndice en la dicha obra de Rodolfo Fernández sobre "Haciendas de Cocula".
Retomando el tema de Francisca de Alcocer, existe su pase a Indias y se menciona como esposa del alcalde Temiño y proporciona los nombres de sus hijos, quienes iban con destino al Darién. Pero es posible que la noticia de la muerte de su marido en las Antillas, la obligara a venir y residir en la Ciudad de México. Un curioso documento del Ramo Inquisción del AGN, comprueba su residencia en la capital hacia 1540.
En ese documento, Francisca declara ser natural de Salas de Bureba, en los Reinos de Castilla e hija del Jurado Hernando de Bañuelos e Isabel de Alcocer y ser viuda de Diego Temiño de Velasco, a quien tengo localizado en Salas de Bureba, en la Provincia de Sevilla y en las Antillas, de donde llegó huyendo por diversos conflictos ocasionados por sus gestiones en España.
Salas de Bureba es una pequeña población situada en la Provincia de Burgos, Cstilla y León, al este del Valle de las Caderechas, entre Castellanos y Poza, muy cerca del lugar de Treviño, que correspondía al título de Conde de Treviño que poseyó la familia de Velasco, entonces Condestables de Castilla.
Baltazar Temiño de Bañuelos, uno de los cuatro fundadores de Zacatecas, no fue "General" que se haya comprobado hasta ahora por algún documento. Su hijo fue Ruíz Temiño, y Castaños y yo, siempre nos preguntábamos de donde había salido el apellido Ruíz.
Conozco y respeto mucho a Leonardo de la Torre Berúmen, gran persona, notable genealogista y estudioso en temas históricos del Estado de Zacatecas. ¿Berúmen publicó la fuente documental de donde sacó que Francisca de Alcocer era nieta de Juan Ruíz Temiño? Se lo voy a preguntar.
En el AGI de Sevilla existe un documento que vincula a Juan Ruíz Temiño con Don Sancho de Velasco, Condestable de Castilla, abuelo de Bernardina de Velazco, Duquesa de Frías, con quien tuvo pleitos el famoso alcalde Diego Temiño, por causa del mal manejo que, como alcalde de un pueblo en la Provincia de Sevilla, le encomendó dicha señora. Curiosamente, una nieta de Diego, hija de Pedro Pacho y Ana de Bañuelos, fue bautizada en México como Bernardina. ¿Casualidad? Yo creo que eran parientes.
Todo esto está relacionándose muy bien y creo que vamos por buen camino para aclarar varios puntos que aun quedan pendientes, en lo relativo a esta genealogía.
Uno de ellos: ¿De quien fue hijo el Alcalde Diego Temiño de Velasco?
La aportación que usted hace con la mención de estas familias en el libro de Juan Gil acerca de "Los Conversos y la Inquisción sevillana" en su tomo V, que no conozco, me parece interesantísima y una aportación muy atinada y digna de sumarse a lo que hemos venido trabajando entre varias personas interesadas en el tema. Lo de Blanca Núñez, hija de Pedro de Toledo y Beatríz Fernández (San Bartolomé) lo desconocía totalmente
¡Felicidades por este hallazgo!
Eso es todo lo que puedo comentar por el momento.
Saludos y gracias
Guillermo Tovar de Teresa
Francisca de Alcocer
Muchas gracias por toda esa información. Es una buena adición a mi investigación.
En cuanto a la familia Alcocer me he encontrado otra cosa que me gustaría compartir.
Según Juan Gil en este mismo libro que he referenciado, Los conversos y la Inquisición sevillana, Volumen 5, el padre de Francisca de Alcocer Bañuelos, el Jurado Diego de Alcocer, era el hermano del doctor Pedro González de Alcocer, canónigo de la Iglesia Catedral de Sevilla.
Juan de la Barreda y Acedo-Rico escribe en su libro Viejas Familias de Alcalá de Henares (p. 208) que el padre del doctor Pedro González de Alcocer fue Fernán Díaz de Alcocer. Por supuesto, esto significa que Fernán Díaz de Alcocer tambien era el padre de El Jurado Diego de Alcocer. Hay más ascendencia que procede de Fernán Díaz de Alcocer en este libro.
La información que arroja esta en duda sería una de las siguientes:
Laura Balletto cita lo que parece ser una última voluntad y testamento en Studi in onore di Pistarino Geo (p. 390-391) que Bernardo de Grimaldo “le hizo donación [a su hijo] en 1510 de una huerta a la Macarena, camino de Sant Lazaro, antaño propiedad del doctor Pero González de Alcocer, que había comprado al jurado Diego de Alcocer, su hijo;”
Esto parece sugerir que este mismo Jurado Diego de Alcocer era el hijo de el doctor Pedro González de Alcocer. ¿Tal vez había dos Jurado Diego de Alcocers?
De todos modos, hermano o hijo, parece que Fernán Díaz de Alcocer sera el padre o abuelo del padre de Francisca de Alcocer Bañuelos, el Jurado Diego de Alcocer.
En Ingles
Thank you for all of that information. It is a nice addition to my research.
Regarding the Alcocer family I have come across something else which I’d like to share.
According to Juan Gil in this same book I’ve referenced, Los conversos y la Inquisición sevillana, Volume 5, Francisca Alcocer de Bañuelos’ father el jurado Diego de Alcocer was the brother of el doctor Pedro González de Alcocer, canónigo de la Iglesia Catedral de Sevilla.
Juan de la Barreda y Acedo-Rico writes in his book Viejas familias de Alcalá de Henares (p. 208) that the father of el doctor Pedro González de Alcocer is Fernán Díaz de Alcocer. This would of course mean that Fernán Díaz de Alcocer was the father of el jurado Diego de Alcocer. There is additional ancestry beyond this.
The information which throws this into question would be from the following:
Laura Balletto cites what seems to be a Last Will and Testament in Studi in onore di Geo Pistarino (p. 390-391) that Bernardo de Grimaldo “le hizo donación [a su hijo] en 1510 de una huerta a la Macarena, camino de Sant Lazaro, antaño propiedad del doctor Pero González de Alcocer, que había comprado al jurado Diego de Alcocer, su hijo;”
This seems to suggest that this same jurado Diego de Alcocer was the son of el doctor Pedro González de Alcocer. Maybe there were two jurado Diego de Alcocers?
Regardless, brother or son, it would seem that Fernán Díaz de Alcocer was either the father or grandfather of Francisca Alcocer de Bañuelos’ father el jurado Diego de Alcocer.
Robert Zermeno
correccion
Perdon - el jurado Diego de Alcocer fue el abuelo de Francisco de Alcocer Banuelos.
Robert Zermeno
otra correccion
Disculpa otra vez. No puedo escribir bien ahora - Francica de Alcocer Banuelos.
Robert Zermeno
Información de Francisca Alcocer
Le pregunte a Leonardo de la Torre Berúmen acerca de la ascendencia de Francisca de Alcocer y me respondió que la obtuvo del sabio padre Salvador Treviño. Esos datos ya los tenía. Sería formidable invitar aLeonardo a ser miembro de "Nuestros Ranchos".
Lo que me parece muy importante para nuestra investigación es comprobar que el Alcalde Diego Temiño de Velasco y Francisca de Alcocer eran primos.
Los nuevos datos aportadoos ahora, acerca de la ascendencia Bañuelos, son muy interesantes.
Un dato: el testamento de Francisca de Velasco, hermana de Ana y Baltazar, se encuentra en AIPEJ en Guadalajara, fechado en esa ciudad en 5 de agosto de 1589, ante el escribano Rodrigo Fernández Cordero, II, fs. 278-281 vta. Dice ser hija legítima de Diego Temyño de Velasco y Francisca de Alcocer, ya difuntos, vecinos que fueron de Sevilla; declara haber sido mujer legítima de Francisco Cornejo y madre de Isabel de Temyño, Gerónima de Velasco (esposa de Hernando Espino de Figueroa), el clérigo Francisco Cornejo y Diego Cornejo. Al final dice, "nombro por mi albacea a Baltazar Temyño mi hermano, vecino de la ciudad de Nuestra Señora de los Zacatecas". Los testigos son de dicho instrumento son: su yerno Espino, los Cepeda de Colima, y Diego de Porres Baranda (casado con su sobrina Bernardina).
Saludos
GTT
Two Diego de Alcocers
Dear Robert Zermeno and other members of nuestro ranchos
fernando diaz de alcocer is the grandfather to Diego diaz de Alcocer .
No hay dos Jurado Diego de Alcocers, pero si hay dos Diego de Alcocer.
Fernando de Alcocer si tuvo un hijo Diego de Alcocer que murio joven.
El padre de Diego de Alcocer es el Doctor Pero (Pedro) Gonzalez de Alcocer.
I find diego de Alcocer listed as a son to Fernan Diaz de Alcocer as passing away at a young age.
One of the sources that Robert Zermeno identifies is " Juan de la Barreda y Acedo-Rico escribe en su libro Viejas Familias de Alcalá de Henares (p. 208) que el padre del doctor Pedro González de Alcocer fue Fernán Díaz de Alcocer. "
This book also identifies the son of Fernan Diaz de Alcocer named Diego Diaz de Alcocer as dying at a young age.
Sometimes I have found someone identified as a son to be a grandson, or someone identified as a grandchild to actually be a great grand child, I am leaning towards believing Laura Balletto's citation of the will stating that diego is Pedro Gonzalez de Alcocers son and therefore Fernando de Alcocers grandchild, and have identified him as such in my tree.
R.A. Ricci
Two Diego de alcocers
Hi rick,
There’s a Merced from 1501 where Diego de alcocer married to Blanca Nunez is alive. It covers the confiscated property of his wife who was accused by the inquisition. It seems he didn’t die young. In the manuscript it clearly states he’s the brother of dr, Juan Diaz de Alcocer whose parents were Fernando Diaz de alcocer and María Ortiz.
Here is the citation from Pares: Merced a Diego de Alcocer, jurado, vecino de Sevilla, de todos los bienes confiscados a Blanca Núñez, su mujer, acusada de hereje y apóstata.
Archivo General de Simancas,RGS,LEG,150001,4
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&tx…
Best,
Maven
Two Diego de alcocers
Dear Maven
The source where I had picked up my information is Juan de la Barreda y Acedo-Rico in his book Viejas Familias de Alcalá de Henares.
My other source was Laura Balletto's citation of the will stating that diego is Pedro Gonzalez de Alcocers son and therefore Fernando de Alcocers grandchild, how do we explain this will? Pedro Gonzalez De Alcocer was a priest (.doctor Pedro González de Alcocer, canónigo de la Iglesia Catedral de Sevilla.) In this scenario Diego is illegitimate. Real estate deals involve the buyer checking for legal ownership of the seller. Real estate transactions must be written as oral real estate transactions are not enforceable. Laura Balleto’s citation of the Will shows that chain of ownership from the previous owner, Diego, and how he had acquired it, through an inheritance from his Father Pedro Gonzalez De Alcocer who stated in his will that he was leaving it to his son Diego.
Not all of Blanca Nuñez’s ancestors are Jewish. Her father is part of the nobility and descends from Portuguese royalty. Her mother descended from a Jewish family that served the king.
Are you sure that it doesn’t say “sobrino” De Doctor juan Diaz De Alcocer”?
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/ViewImage.do?accion=42&txt_zoom=10…
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Two Diego de Alcocer
Hi Rick,
I see ‘hermano’. I am however a novice in reading old manuscript. I’ve asked a few people including historians and credible genealogists and they concur. Maybe others can weigh in? I see:
“QUE EL DOCTOR JUAN DÍAZ DE ALCOCER DEL NUESTRO CONSEJO VUESTRO HERMANO... “
In this immediate family there are many Diego’s and a few Pedro’s so I’m not surprised that people easily get them confused and much of my research is in secondary resources since Not everything is online and I’m in California.
According to Los Conversos y la Inquisicion Sevillana by Juan Gil v. 3, page 206-211. Dr. Juan Diaz de Alcocer was the Brother of Diego Alcocer (married to Blanca). Other brothers include 1. Fernando married to Gracia de Prado ( I think the Prado Madrid fam) 2. Pedro Gonzalez de Alcocer
Coincidently, in vol. 5 p. 394 of this book series it lists Pedro de Toledo married to Beatriz Fernandez, parents of Blanca Nunez is listed in reference to Beatriz testamento in 1508 where she requests to be buried in San Bartolomé ( judería Sevilla) and names her children. 1. Rodrigo de Toledo 2. Garcia de la Torre 3. Blanca Nunez , mujer del jurado Diego de Alcocer.
I’d be interested to know anything u would like to share on Pedro de Toledo or Beatriz fernandez. My research so far encompasses the alcocers including Maria Ortiz their mother but I’ve barely scratched the surface of Blanca. Any hints much appreciated.
Best,
Maven
Temiño. Treviño
Dear Maven,
I will be presenting some of my research next August in Oxnard , California.
Here is a valuable nugget that clears up the Temino-Trevino surname argument.
:
The Treviño surname came from Francisca Alcocer’s father. In a municipal archive of Sevilla he is named “Jurado Hernando Bañuelos de Treviño, obrero mayor de Cabildo”. In a secondary source Hernando Bañuelos is identified as a relative of Bernardino Velasco.
El apellido Treviño viene por el padre de Francisca Alcocer. En el archivo del municipal de Sevilla se encuentra su nombre escrito como “Jurado Hernando Bañuelos de Treviño, obrero mayor de Cabildo” Hernando Bañuelos es conocido como pariente de Bernardino De Velasco.
Here is another Golden Nugget:
Estatua de Don Fernando de Alcocer, estatua de Doña María Ortiz y pila bautismal.
Image at File: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Estatua_de_Don_Fernando_de_Al…
Looking at the information that I have on the Alcocer brothers, their positions and the dates, I still lean towards Diego being the son of the priest. Knowing what we know about real estate transactions, and how it is very important to know the chain of ownership of a property, that Diego was much, much younger than juan Diaz De Alcocer, I believe :
“Laura Balletto cites what seems to be a Last Will and Testament in Studi in onore di Geo Pistarino (p. 390-391) that Bernardo de Grimaldo “le hizo donación [a su hijo] en 1510 de una huerta a la Macarena, camino de Sant Lazaro, antaño propiedad del doctor Pero González de Alcocer, que había comprado al jurado Diego de Alcocer, su hijo;” “
Rick A. Ricci
Source : Mygenes2000
The Alcocers
HI Rick.
Please share when and where you will present in Oxnard. I will be there! Thank you for the golden nuggets.
I have no doubt that Treviño/Termiño were used interchangeably or that Pedro had children, even a diego since its a common family name. What's confusing to me is still the timeline.
Have you ever read the processo of Lope Saavedra of 1539? To cut the telenovela short basically, it confirms that Francisca is married to Diego Tremiño, she has a sister named Beatriz married to Pedro de Leon (who we know parents are Diego alcocer & blanca Nunez) and they all came together from spain the year before on the same NAO. Also Francisca's daughter Francisca Velasco gives testimony in this proceso as well having slept with Lope who is her cousins husband.
Source Image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-437K-2?i=620
We know beatriz came in 1520 and that francisca came in 1538 from ship records. Francisca also already has a daughter near or of adult age so it still makes sense that both beatriz and Francisca are sisters, having the same parents.
on Bernandino Velasco, I thought Diego worked for him? Also francisca alcocer married into the Termiño de Velasco Family so it makes sense they were family.
Its really hard to keep this family straight. Such a tangled web.
Please let us know when you publish your book. We are waiting. :)
Best,
Maven
The Alcocers
Hi Maven,
Here are some more nuggets.
Alfonso Ruiz De Temino was related to his wife Sancha Velasco. Besides Diego Temiño De Velasco’s parents being related, Diego was also related to his wife Francisca Alcocer. You were correct in calling it a tangled web. All three were related to Bernardino Velasco. And yes Hernando Banuelos de Treviño and Alfonso Ruiz De Temiño both worked for Bernardino Velasco.
I don’t have the date and exact address yet. I just know that the conference will be in Oxnard in August 2020. I’ll let you know the details as soon as Carlos Yturralde confirms them.
The timeline, the research I have on the Alcocer family, and the will stating that he is the son of Pedro, altogether lead me to believe that Diego is Juan’s nephew and not his brother.
And yes, I did know about the scandal. I am guessing that the Diego Treviño that left many descendants in New Mexico is one of the kids born from the scandal. The Treviño of course came from Hernando Bañuelos de Treviño.
Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci
Source: Mygenes2000
Basic Paleography of "Merced a Diego de Alcocer"
Maven,
I hope you are well. Below, you can find my novice attempt at the paleography of the document that shows the "Merced a Diego de Alcocer." I recognize I am not an expert and I apologize for the mistakes you will undoubtedly find. I am posting it here for the Nuestros Ranchos Community's reference from what I can tell, I agree with your assessment in that the document seems to state that a "Doctor Juan Diaz de Alcocer" and a "Diego de Alcocer" are brothers.
"...Don Fernando e doña Ysabel por la graçia de Dios rey y reyna de castilla de Leon de aragon de siçilia de granada de Toledo de balencia de galizia de mallorca de Sevilla de çerdeña de cordova de corçega de murçia de Jahen de los algraves de algezira de Gibraltar de las ylsas de canarya condes de barçelona e señores de viscaya e de molina /. Duqes de Atenas y de Neopatria condes de rruysellon e de çerdanya marqses de oristan e de goçiano. Por quitarlo nos ouymos mandado tomar e se tomo asyentos con vos el Jurado Diego de Alcocer vezino de las ciudad de Castilla en razon de los byenes de Blanca Nuñez vuestra muger que pertenecieron a la nuestra "??" e fisco por acusarla del delito de eregia y apostasía q la dicha Blanca Nuñez vuestra muger cometio de que se reconcilio ante la santa fe católica y vos el dicho Diego de Alcoçer desta e pagastes el quien por nosotros fue mandada la venta de “mjs” que nos “??” a dar e pagar por razón del dicho asiento de que nos damos por contentos e pagados por la presente syn que dello ayays demostrar y que hasta de pago e nos suplicastes e pedistes por merced vuestra mandásemos dar e fizisemos de todos los dichos bienes q por razón del dicho delito q la dicha Blanca Nuñez vuestra muger cometyo nos pertenecen y perteneçer puede en qualquier manera y nos dicho dando algunos buscados y el Dotor Juan Diaz de Alcoçer del nuestro consejo vuestro hermano nos ha fecho e fase y por que el asymysmo nos lo enbyo a suplicar e pedir por mi tuvimoslo por bien e por esta nuestra carta bo por fin queda la sygnado de esqrybano publico voz fazemos mi y “??” e donación pista no renovable de todos los dichos byenes asi muebles como rrayzes e semejantes de techos y araones deudas “??” qualesquier cosas debydas e pertenecientes a la dicha vuestra mujer que por razón della de lo suso dicho pertenecieron e pertenecen puedan darnos y a la dicha nuestra camara e fisco asy del dote de la dicha vuestra mujer tomo de oy os qualesquier bienes que por “??” de ella ayays avydo de su padre e madre de la dicha vuestra mujer y de otras qualesquier personas y en qualquier manera para que sean vuestros y de vuestros herederos y sucesores y de aquel o aquellos q debos..."
Thank you,
Luis Macías
Blanca Nuñez - Judía?
Rick A. Ricci,
I hope this message finds you well. I am posting this message on October 5th, 2019 and while I realize this message thread started and died out several years ago I am excited to see that it has come back to life. Back when I first read it, I was excited to find that one of the ancestors mentioned here was Blanca Nuñez, my 13th Great Grandmother. Back when I first read this thread, I wanted to reach out to Don Guillermo Tovar de Teresa, but I learned of his passing after several attempts to reach him. I was very saddened by the news because after my several years of research, his name would routinely pop up and the genealogical community started to feel like family to me. I am also very familiar with your contributions, Mr. Ricci, and for me your name is also one of those common household names in the genealogical community; thank you for your many contributions.
I want to be honest in that for years I felt intimidated to participate in these forums, especially because I am not a historian or genealogist, just a guy who has come to love genealogy. I want to apologize if I make any mistakes and I hope you and the Nuestros Ranchos community will have patience with me in what I believe to be my first serious post.
Let me start my discussion by clarifying that the reason I am posting this message is to further inquire about the Jewsih ancestry of Blanca Nuñez, wife of Diego de Alcocer and daughter of Beatríz Fernández and Pedro de Toledo. As cited previously by Maven, The book “Los Conversos y la Inquisición Sevillana” by Juan Gil, shows that Blanca Nuñez was processed by the Inquisition and as a result had her properties confiscated. It states that she was accused of heresy and apostasy and the fact that she appears in this book, implies that she was a converso, but there is no mention of the religion she converted from. As you know, up until the expulsion of the Jews (and beyond), Spain had a rich cultural heritage and throughout the ages it was characterized by different levels of religious coexistence. That said, it stands to reason that without clarification, one could just as easily conclude that Blanca Nuñez could have been a Mulsim Converso. I believe that it is more likely that she was Jewish Converso, but without evidence, I am speculating and at best making an educated guess. The “Merced” granted to Diego de Alcocer, Blanca’s husband, found in PARES also provides some interesting clues about Blanca Nuñez. An excerpt from this Merced reads as follows (please forgive any mistakes in paleography, I recognize I am a novice):
"… se tomo asyentos con vos el Jurado Diego de Alcocer vezino de las ciudad de Castilla en razon de los byenes de Blanca Nuñez vuestra mujer que pertenecieron a la Santo Officio por acusarla del delito de eregia y apostasía q la dicha Blanca Nuñez vuestra mujer cometio de que se reconcilio ante la santa fe católica y vos..."
As can be seen, it shows she was reconciled to the catholic faith, but again no mention of the religion from which she reconciled / converted. It doesen't help that it is a one page document! I haven't been able to find the "proceso inquisitorial" or "autos de fe" for Blanca Nuñez... perhaps more information could be ascertained from there.
So to my delight and suprise, when reading your contribution, I noticed you mentioned that Blanca Nuñez’s mother, Beatríz Fernández, descended from a Jewish family that served the king. Would you please share your sources for this account? I am excited about the possibility that such a record/source exists and I would be very grateful for your assistance.
Thank you in advance and I look forward to your reply.
P.D. Also many thanks to the contributions of Maven.
Luis Macías
Ortiz, Cota, Martínez Cota, De San Pedro, Nuñez
Hello Luis,
Blanca Nuñez is not the only Jewish Converso in the family. The Alcocer family repeatedly married Jewish Conversos. There were many connections to the Jewish conversó “Cota” family. The wives Leonor De San Pedro and María Ortiz were obviously Jewish Conversos. When I say Jewish conversos I mean that either they converted, or that they descend, from Jewish conversos. The conversion may have occurred a few generations before. Most of these conversos continued practicing some of their family traditions even if they truly converted. It was well known that Juan Diaz De Alcocer came from a family of Jewish conversos yet he and his siblings were very religious practicing Catholics. Juan’s parents, Fernando Diaz De Alcocer and María Ortiz, were also very religious Catholics who made many contributions to the Catholic church.
4) Fernando Diaz De Alcocer (Caballero de la Banda ca 1370) married to Leonor De San Pedro (investigating the strong possibility that she is the daughter of Alonso Martinez Cota and Leonor Martinez De San Pedro )
5) Fernando Diaz De Alcocer (Junior)( Caballero de la Banda ca 1400) married to María Ortiz. (From the Cota family)
6) Doctor Pedro Díaz de Alcocer canónigo de Sevilla had an illegitimate son that is named in a will.
7) Jurado Diego de Alcocer married Blanca Núñez (hija de Pedro de Toledo y Beatriz Fernández)
8) Isabel De Alcocer married to Jurado Hernando de Bañuelos De Treviño
9) Doña Francisca de Alcocer, b. ca. 1502 ( declara ser natural de Salas de Bureba, en los Reinos de Castilla ) married to Diego Temino De Velasco ( son of Alfonso Ruiz De Temino and Sancha Velasco). ([aka Sancha Sánchez de Velasco])
Getting back to Blanca Nuñez, her parents are Pedro De Toledo and Beatriz Fernandez. Her parents names were very common during this time period. I have a married couple with these names from this time period that had a daughter named Blanca that fits perfectly into the family tree. Pedro de Toledo descends from a long line of nobility and Portuguese royalty on his father’s side. Pedro’s mother also descended from Jewish conversos. Pedro’s father was married twice and both his wives descend from Jewish conversos. I haven’t traced Beatriz Fernandez’s ancestry but there are clues that she is a Jewish conversa, so Blanca Nuñez would have learned Jewish religion and traditions from her mother.
Thank You,
Rick A. Ricci
Source Mygenes2000
Rick A. Ricci - Thank you for your reply
Rick A. Ricci,
Thank you for your reply and for your clues. I have followed some of the leads you have provided and they have helped strengthen my suspicion that the family was indeed Judeo-Converso. I am still searching for conclusive evidence, because as of yet, the sources I have found appear to make the case of the their Judeo-Converso heritage based on strong circumstantial evidence. I concede that I have not yet finished reading through all of the clues you have pointed me to, but I hope to be sending you my comments within a couple of days to continue the discussion. While I finish investigating a bit more, please do send more information my way should you come across something interesting regarding the Blanca Nuñez's Jweish ancestry. Thank you, and thanks to those in this group for your willingness to collaborate and to share your ideas.
Anyone else, with something to share or comment, please feel free to do so. All ideas are welcome.
Para cualquier persona que solicite traducción o aclaración de algunos de mis mensajes escritos en Inglés, hágamelo saber por favor, que con gusto le respondo.
Regards,
Luis Macías
Jewish conversos
Dear Luis,
I am sorry for not be clearer. It is not just circumstantial evidence that they came from a family of Jewish. conversos. Even though Juan Diaz de Alcocer and his siblings embraced the Catholic religion, it was well known that they descended from Jewish conversos. The family had cousins that took a little longer to convert and they were subject to the inquisition. The Cota and San Pedro families from
Alcalá de Henares are two prominent Jewish families that Diego Alcocer descends from. Not all of Blanca Nuñez ancestors are Jewish conversos, as I can trace Pedro Toledo’s paternal ancestry to nobility and royalty.
Thanks,
Rick A, Ricci
Jewish conversos
Mr. Ricci,
I hope you are well. I have done some research on the subject and I found an author by the name of María del Pilar Rábade Obradó, who has written many articles on Judeo-Conversos in the Spanish courts. An interesting article has to do with el Doctor Juan Díaz de Alcocer married to María Tellez. The parents of this Doctor Juan Díaz de Alcocer were Fernando Díaz de De Alcocer and María Ortíz. This means that this Doctor Juan Díaz de Alcocer of whom I speak of was the brother of Doctor Pedro Díaz de Alcocer, canónigo de Sevilla. As a side note, one point of discussion in this thread is around the connection to Jurado Diego de Alcocer; some evidence you have brought forth suggests that he is the illegitimate son of Doctor Pedro Díaz de Alcocer, canónigo de Sevilla, and evidence provided by Maven seems to suggest that he is the brother of Doctor Juan Díaz de Alcocer and therefore the son of Fernando Díaz de Alcocer and María Ortíz.
Let me cite some interesting lines:
Author: María Del Pilar Rábade Obradó,
Page: 262
“…Tenía el doctor de Alcocer fama de converso, y por tal era tenido en la Corte de los Reyes Católicos. Márquez Villanueva, que ha estudiado el entorno familiar de los Díaz de Alcocer, llega a la conclusión de que puede haber pocas dudas en este sentido. Sea como sea, resulta absolutamente imposible certificar la veracidad de esta hipótesis, aunque tenga visos de ser, efectivamente, verídica.“…Casado con María Ortiz —a la que Márquez Villanueva relaciona con los Cota toledanos, una de las familias conversas más prominentes de la Ciudad Imperial — fue Fernando padre de una numerosa prole, de la que Juan fue el que alcanzó una mayor gloria, aunque hay que destacar que una de las características más marcadas de la familia es su evidente inclinación por el servicio a la monarquía, siendo varios los hermanos del doctor Juan de Alcocer que pasaron también a ingresar las nóminas de los oficiales regios, tal como se verá más adelante…”From these two passages it seems that although it is impossible to certify (with documentary evidence) that Mr. Juan Díaz de Alcocer (and therefore his siblings) are of Jewish Converso ascendance, it is however likely with very little doubt that he was indeed a Jewish Converso. This falls in line with your conclusion that they were Jewish Converso. The situation that I have is that, although I am convinced they are of Jewish Converso origin, I am indeed looking for documentary evidence and have not been able to find any so far. Have you found any?
Author: María Del Pilar Rábade Obradó,
Page: 263
“…Una vez efectuado este cálculo, no parece descabellado suponer que el abuelo del doctor de Alcocer bien pudo haber nacido en los años finales del siglo xiv, por lo que fácilmente podría tratarse del primer miembro cristiano de la familia, relacionándose su posible conversión tal vez con los tumultos de 1391, o incluso con los alborotos relacionados con las predicaciones de Vicente Ferrer…”“…Por otra parte, los Díaz de Alcocer parecen moverse como pez en el agua entre los otros oficiales conversos de la Corona, señalando Márquez Villanueva cómo entre la abundante descendencia de Fernando Díaz de Alcocer se cuentan numerosos matrimonios con conversos, lo que avalaría, una vez más, la tesis de que ellos mismos también lo fueran (F. MÁRQUEZ VILLANUEVA, Investigaciones sobre Juan Álvarez Gato..., pág. 74.)…”From these two passages a hypothesis is made about the possible first converso in the Díaz de Alcocer Family, which was likely Fernando Díaz de Alcocer, Married to Leonor De San Pedro. Again, very likely and very strong circumstantial evidence that they were converso, but no documentary evidence to support this.
Several articles I have read cite the following book by Francisco Márquez Villanueva: Investigaciones sobre Juan Álvarez Gato: Contribución al conocimiento de la literatura castellana del siglo XV (Anejos del Boletín de la Real Academia Española). This book includes a serious study about the origins of the Díaz de Alcocer Family and in it I hope to find further evidence of the connection of María Ortíz to the Cota Family and further evidence of marriages down the line of this family to Jewish Conversos. I have purchased the book and hope to be getting it within a couple of weeks. I will be happy to share my findings with the group.
Now, coming back to the original subject of interest I had in establishing that Blanca Núñez (Married to Jurado Diego de Alcocer) was as Jewish Converso, I have not yet found documentary evidence to prove it. So far, the clues you have graciously provided (thank you for this), point to her husband’s family, where we can conclude that there is a strong likelihood that el Jurado Diego de Alcocer was from Jewish Converso descent. I hope that once I study the Book from Francisco Márquez Villanueva, I will find more clues and possibly a path to find some hard documentary evidence.
I would like to share that I hope to obtain Spanish Citizenship through being able to establish that I have Jewish ancestry. I have been working on my ancestry for years and the most promising lead to establish my Jewish Ancestry is through Blanca Núñez, my 13th Great Grandmother. The problem I have with this ancestor is that the evidence I have from her is not conclusive in that she was a Jewish Converso. Juan Gil in his book, Los Conversos y la Inquisición Sevillana, only states that she is a Conversa, but does not clarify if she is a Jewish Conversa. The record from Pares, regarding the “Merced” granted to her husband Diego de Alcocer states that she was processed for heresy and apostasy but does not show she was a “Judaizante.” I am planning to investigate Blanca´s parents and her husband’s family in hopes to find conclusive evidence that they were either Jewish or Jewish Conversos, which would help establish strong circumstantial evidence that either a Jewish/Converso husband or parents, are evidence that she was likely also a Jewish Conversa. Unfortunately this approach is indirect, but worth a shot. I would much rather prefer to establish direct evidence of Blanca’s Nuñez’ Jewish faith or ancestry, but so far this has proven elusive.
I wanted to clarify this to help explain why the type of proof I am looking for is something that can be provided as documentary evidence (for example: Inquisition Proceso). Unfortunately, strong suspicions of Jewish ancestry do not count as documentary evidence for the purposes of my research =(, but it provides clues of where I could possibly find more information! Of course, this is a difficult task, especially for a period where concealing Jewish ancestry was a matter of life and death.
One thing I have always wondered about is the Inquisition Record for Blanca Núñez. The only thing I have been able to find in “Pares” is the the “Merced” granted to Diego de Alcocer, her husband, but not the proceso. Perhaps the Inquisition Proceso may yield more information? Anybody have any clues of where it can be found? That said, this and any other documentary evidence or clues on this subject would be much appreciated. Comments also greatly appreciated! Thank you.
Regards,
Luis Macías
Re: Ortiz, Cota, Martínez Cota, De San Pedro, Nuñez
Mr. Ricci,
I hope you are well. These past couple of weeks I have been investigating this converso family and have not come up with any new sources or clues other than the ones I have posted and those that already appear on this post. I wanted to respectfully and humbly ask you for guidance and some clarification on comments you have previously made:
All,
I would like to share some additional information on the lineage of the house of “Alcocer.” The source is cited below and it contains a wealth of information on genealogy of this family.
CASA DE ALCOCER:
Source / Documentary Evidence
Colección Salazar y Castro de la RAH
Sacadas del libro V del Teatro Genealógico, de don José de Pellicer de Tovar. Madrid, 1667.
Manuscrito, con escudos de armas dibujados a pluma con tinta negra, en el fº 110; uno en el fº 125 y otro en el 131.
Pertenece a la Genealogía de la antigua y noble familia de Alcocer, y casas ilustres que proceden de ella ... [9/146, fº 110 a 133. El fº 121 bis está en blanco y sin numerar.]
CLICK HERE FOR HYPERLINK
(UPDATED OCT 22nd 2019 TO FIX HYPERLINK ISSUE)
Regards,
Luis Macías