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I was looking for my grandmother's civil birth record on microfilm for the
Guadalajara District, because my mother had said her mother was born in
Guadalajara on May 25th, 1907. However, I didn't find my grandmother's
birth record. My mother said that her mother's family, Alberto and
Francisca Martin del Campo, lived on a farm in Guadalajara and that was
where her mother was born. So, I just got my Jalisco map in the mail and I
have been checking for a listing of the municipios in Jalisco and see that
Guadalajara is both a city and a district, or municipio, all in itself. Am
I understanding that correctly? Like in California, San Francisco is both a
city and a county. So, now I'm thinking that, if they lived on a farm a
hundred years ago, that farm may not even be there anymore. It may now be
city. What I'm wondering is if cities in Mexico have city limits, like they
do here and, if so, I'm wondering if the Guadalajara city limits have been
expanded as the city has grown. What I'm trying to determine is that the
reason my grandmother's birth record was not in the Guadalajara district
civil registry, is perhaps because even though they lived "in Guadalajara,"
it may have been in another district, at least back in 1907 when my
grandmother was born. Would anyone know about this? My mother is going to
call her aunt to ask where the family farm was, but she may not know about
any boundary changes that may have occurred. I hope all of this makes
sense, basically I'm trying to determine which district my grandmother was
born in, so I can then order the microfilm for that one and, hopefully, find
her birth record in it.

Corrine Ardoin

Hi:
You are righ Guadalajara is a city and a County (Municipio)
Guadalajara, in the colony was the capitol of "Nueva Galicia" and after
the Independece "Nueva Galicia" change the name to Jalisco with
Guadalajara as Capitol.
May be your grandmother born in a nearest town to Guadalajara.

The nearest countys to Guadalajara are:
Zapopan, Tlaquepaque and Tonala.

May be possible in some of those cities can have the information that
you are looking.

Have a nice day!!!

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Ardoin
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Guadalajara District/City Limits

I was looking for my grandmother's civil birth record on microfilm for
the
Guadalajara District, because my mother had said her mother was born in
Guadalajara on May 25th, 1907. However, I didn't find my grandmother's
birth record. My mother said that her mother's family, Alberto and
Francisca Martin del Campo, lived on a farm in Guadalajara and that was
where her mother was born. So, I just got my Jalisco map in the mail
and I
have been checking for a listing of the municipios in Jalisco and see
that
Guadalajara is both a city and a district, or municipio, all in itself.
Am
I understanding that correctly? Like in California, San Francisco is
both a
city and a county. So, now I'm thinking that, if they lived on a farm a
hundred years ago, that farm may not even be there anymore. It may now
be
city. What I'm wondering is if cities in Mexico have city limits, like
they
do here and, if so, I'm wondering if the Guadalajara city limits have
been
expanded as the city has grown. What I'm trying to determine is that
the
reason my grandmother's birth record was not in the Guadalajara district
civil registry, is perhaps because even though they lived "in
Guadalajara,"
it may have been in another district, at least back in 1907 when my
grandmother was born. Would anyone know about this? My mother is going
to
call her aunt to ask where the family farm was, but she may not know
about
any boundary changes that may have occurred. I hope all of this makes
sense, basically I'm trying to determine which district my grandmother
was
born in, so I can then order the microfilm for that one and, hopefully,
find
her birth record in it.

Corrine Ardoin

Hi!

After reading these two messages regarding "city limits" (in these cases it
was Guadalajara) I have been unable to find a birth or marriage record for
one of my ancestors in Zacatecas. His will dated 1771 states he was
"originario de la Ciudad de Nuestra Senora de Zacatecas" so I understand
this to mean he was born in the CITY of Zacatecas. Would there have been
"city limits" in 1771 in Zacatecas? I am now thinking that he may have been
born in the area around the city of Zacatecas but I have no idea which towns
existed there in 1771.

Does anyone know what towns or counties existed in or near Zacatecas in
1771?

Thanks!

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Damasco,
Raul

You are righ Guadalajara is a city and a County (Municipio) Guadalajara, in
the colony was the capitol of "Nueva Galicia" and after the Independece
"Nueva Galicia" change the name to Jalisco with Guadalajara as Capitol.
May be your grandmother born in a nearest town to Guadalajara.

The nearest countys to Guadalajara are:
Zapopan, Tlaquepaque and Tonala.

May be possible in some of those cities can have the information that you
are looking.

-----Original Message-----
I was looking for my grandmother's civil birth record on microfilm for the
Guadalajara District, because my mother had said her mother was born in
Guadalajara on May 25th, 1907. However, I didn't find my grandmother's
birth record. My mother said that her mother's family, Alberto and
Francisca Martin del Campo, lived on a farm in Guadalajara and that was
where her mother was born. So, I just got my Jalisco map in the mail and I
have been checking for a listing of the municipios in Jalisco and see that
Guadalajara is both a city and a district, or municipio, all in itself.
Am
I understanding that correctly?
Corrine Ardoin

Corrine:

Mexican municipal jurisdiccions are different than American ones. Each municipio is basically the equivalent of a county in the United States, such that it includes the actual city or town which is the "cabezera" or head of the municipality as well as all of the rural areas around it within certain boundaries.

Large municipios also have one or more comisarias which are basically smaller towns where government functions such as civil registries can be transacted.

In the case of your grandmother, there are a number of possibilities... One being that when your mother says "Guadalajara" she actually means somewhere in the metro area, which includes several muncipalities, which Raul has outlined above. The other is that you are looking in the film of the wrong registry office. Often each comisaria keeps its records seperate from other comisarias in the same municipality.

If you could find the exact name of the neighborhood where your grandmother was born we can probably find the correct municipality or comisaria or even parish where she should have been baptized. Do you have her parents' names by any chance?

My grandmother was Magdalena Martin del Campo. Her parents were Alberto Martin del Campo and Francisca Cabral Gonzalez, both of whom were buried in Guadalajara. Alberto's funeral was at Nuestra Santa Madre Iglesia Catolica in Guadalajara, 1941. My mother said that they lived on their farm until they died.

I had never heard of comisarias before. The confusion, too, is that my grandmother, from the minute she was born, was handed over to her aunt to be raised in the city, so she may have been baptized in the metro area of Guadalajara, though born in the rural outskirts. She told my mother very little about herself and, now, we are relying on her one living sister to get information from.

Thank-you for all the help.
Corrine

My mother asked her aunt if she could remember where her family lived in Guadalajara and her aunt told her that they had moved several times, but the nearest town was Zapopan and that they walked everywhere, that it was about five miles to the Cathedral in Guadalajara and that they went to church at San Felipe Church. So, I ordered the microfilm records for the Zapopan municipio civil registry. Hopefully, I will find my grandmother's birth record at last.

I had also been looking in the Guadalajara municipio civil registry for my grandmother's and grandfather's marriage record, with no luck, as well. My mom's aunt said that they did not marry until after my mother was born, so that's helpful to know. My mother was born in 1931 in Guadalajara, but now I know it was probably not the Guadalajara municipio, but the Zapopan municipio, because her mother gave birth to her at the family's home, which I now know was near Zapopan.

It's funny how family members say they don't remember much, but when you get them to talking about something, they'll relate another thing they remember that was just what you needed to know. Like my mom, I've been asking her if her grandfather Alberto Martin del Campo and his sister, Dolores, "Lola," had any other siblings and she says she doesn't know. Just the other day, she was telling me that my neice was going to have twins and I asked her if anyone of our ancestors had twins and she said right off the bat, "Oh, my great aunt Lola was a twin." I just think, mom, why didn't you tell me that before?! So, that is something else I have to add to my small storehouse of information when I research my ancestors in Guadalajara.

Corrine Ardoin

I SAW THE NAME MARTIN del CAMPO. I WOULD ALSO LIKE INFORMATION ON SIMONA del CAMPO,
WHO MARRIED GABRIEL CAVAZOS, THEY WERE BOTH BORN IN SPAIN AND BOTH DIED IN SPAIN.
THE GENERATION AFTER THAT WAS BORN IN SPAIN ALSO, BUT CAME TO NEW SPAIN, HIS NAME
WAS JUAN CAVAZOS del CAMPO. I HAVE HIS DESCENDANCY, BUT NO CONCRETE INFORMATION ON HIS PARENTS.

JUANITA G. DELGADO

Corrine Ardoin wrote:

My mother asked her aunt if she could remember where her family lived in Guadalajara and her aunt told her that they had moved several times, but the nearest town was Zapopan and that they walked everywhere, that it was about five miles to the Cathedral in Guadalajara and that they went to church at San Felipe Church. So, I ordered the microfilm records for the Zapopan municipio civil registry. Hopefully, I will find my grandmother's birth record at last.

I had also been looking in the Guadalajara municipio civil registry for my grandmother's and grandfather's marriage record, with no luck, as well. My mom's aunt said that they did not marry until after my mother was born, so that's helpful to know. My mother was born in 1931 in Guadalajara, but now I know it was probably not the Guadalajara municipio, but the Zapopan municipio, because her mother gave birth to her at the family's home, which I now know was near Zapopan.

It's funny how family members say they don't remember much, but when you get them to talking about something, they'll relate another thing they remember that was just what you needed to know. Like my mom, I've been asking her if her grandfather Alberto Martin del Campo and his sister, Dolores, "Lola," had any other siblings and she says she doesn't know. Just the other day, she was telling me that my neice was going to have twins and I asked her if anyone of our ancestors had twins and she said right off the bat, "Oh, my great aunt Lola was a twin." I just think, mom, why didn't you tell me that before?! So, that is something else I have to add to my small storehouse of information when I research my ancestors in Guadalajara.

Corrine Ardoin

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