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I am researching the Alvarez family from the Zacatecas and Jalisco areas. I have been able to trace my lineage of this family back to an Jose Ma. Alvarez who married an Ana Francisca Campos in Zacatecas in 1836. My research has ended there as I have been unable to find the parents of eith of these two people. I am very much interested in finding them. Does anyone have these people in their family geneology? Thank you. Carol (Campos) Lester

Carol,

Antonio Alvarez and Rita Serrano are one of my 4x great-grandparents. Do you have an email where I can contact you?

Best Regards

Carol

Is this couple Jose Maria Alvarez and Maria Francisca Campos? If so, they were married 25 Aug 1836 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, ZAC (image #558 in marriages for 1821-40). This names their parents, and notes there was a dispensation for second degree consanguinity. They might be first cousins!

I have seen cases where the first names of the women vary a bit: Ana Francisca could be the same as Maria Francisca; she could have been known as Maria, Ana, or Francisca in various records. Since the birth records name the grandparents, this would tend to prove that she used various names

If this is true, which I suspect it might be, then there is a fair amount of information in the Tlaltgenango de Sanchez Roman and Momax, Zacatecas records.

Jose and his bride were actually first cousins (they are both grandchildren of Antonio Campos and Eufracia Castaneda.

Briefly, the records I found are:

Marriage record for Jose Maria Alvarez (s/o Juan de Dios Alvarez and Maria Rafaela Campos) and Maria Francisca Campos (d/o Francisco Campos and Ana Maria Cornejo), 25 Aug 1836, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman

I found baptismal records for three children of theirs:
(1) Lorenso Hipolito y Caciano, chr 10 Aug 1837, Momax, ZAC (image 176); grandparents are as listed in his parents marriage record
(2) Pedro, died within about 1 year, Momax
(3) Senon Paulino de Sta Agripina, chr 23 Jun 1839, Momax

Ana Maria Alvarez d/o Juan de Dios Alvarez and Maria Rafaela Campos chr 7 May 1808, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman. Grandparents: Antonio Alvarez/Prudencia Rita Serrano and Anton/Campos/Eufracia Castaneda. (film for 1800-1809 image 500)

Maria Francisca Campos was chr 28 Mar 1814, Momax (film 1811-14, image 44), d/o Francisco Campos and Anna Cornejo; grandparents, Antonio Campos/Eufracia Castaneda and Rafael Cornejo/Rita Carlos

This is not all the information available for these families, but it is enough to give you the basic relationships.

The fact that Jose and his bride are first cousins is unusual, as this is not something that a dispensation is commonly given for!

I used the old family search website for the indexes, and then went to the digitized films for the Zacatecas towns on the new website. Since the records for these towns appear pretty good, you may be able to go back farther.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Thank you so much for this info! I have been stuck for years with this couple. I have never been able to find either of their parents and you have solved this for me. I am so very grateful. Will I be able to find this same info of the grandparents on familysearch? I live in Ohio and all our films must be ordered from one of the branches of the LDS Church. Senon Paulino would be my fathers' 4th great grandfather who married a Maria Campos. Senon or Paulino, as some of his records call him,also had a son, named Rafael Alvarez, married to Viviana Alva Valensuela. I have never been able to find his documents for his birth or christening. This couple had a son, Melecio or Melecio Alvarez who would have been my grandfather and my fathers father. My father, Amador Alvarez,was the son of Melecio Alvarez and Sara Campos Mota. I have not been able to find birth or christening record or death records for Melecio or Rafael. Would you be able to search for these names for me? I
f not it is alright. Perhaps you could tell me where I might be able to search for them. Thanks again, you have cracked the mystery of Jose Alvarez and Ana or Francisca Campos for me!!

Warm regards,
Carol (Campos) Lester
---- gpf13@aol.com wrote:
> Carol
>
> Is this couple Jose Maria Alvarez and Maria Francisca Campos? If so, they were married 25 Aug 1836 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, ZAC (image #558 in marriages for 1821-40). This names their parents, and notes there was a dispensation for second degree consanguinity. They might be first cousins!
>
> I have seen cases where the first names of the women vary a bit: Ana Francisca could be the same as Maria Francisca; she could have been known as Maria, Ana, or Francisca in various records. Since the birth records name the grandparents, this would tend to prove that she used various names
>
> If this is true, which I suspect it might be, then there is a fair amount of information in the Tlaltgenango de Sanchez Roman and Momax, Zacatecas records.
>
> Jose and his bride were actually first cousins (they are both grandchildren of Antonio Campos and Eufracia Castaneda.
>
> Briefly, the records I found are:
>
> Marriage record for Jose Maria Alvarez (s/o Juan de Dios Alvarez and Maria Rafaela Campos) and Maria Francisca Campos (d/o Francisco Campos and Ana Maria Cornejo), 25 Aug 1836, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman
>
> I found baptismal records for three children of theirs:
> (1) Lorenso Hipolito y Caciano, chr 10 Aug 1837, Momax, ZAC (image 176); grandparents are as listed in his parents marriage record
> (2) Pedro, died within about 1 year, Momax
> (3) Senon Paulino de Sta Agripina, chr 23 Jun 1839, Momax
>
> Ana Maria Alvarez d/o Juan de Dios Alvarez and Maria Rafaela Campos chr 7 May 1808, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman. Grandparents: Antonio Alvarez/Prudencia Rita Serrano and Anton/Campos/Eufracia Castaneda. (film for 1800-1809 image 500)
>
> Maria Francisca Campos was chr 28 Mar 1814, Momax (film 1811-14, image 44), d/o Francisco Campos and Anna Cornejo; grandparents, Antonio Campos/Eufracia Castaneda and Rafael Cornejo/Rita Carlos
>
> This is not all the information available for these families, but it is enough to give you the basic relationships.
>
> The fact that Jose and his bride are first cousins is unusual, as this is not something that a dispensation is commonly given for!
>
> I used the old family search website for the indexes, and then went to the digitized films for the Zacatecas towns on the new website. Since the records for these towns appear pretty good, you may be able to go back farther.
>
> George Fulton
> Pleasanton, CA

Hello again George
This idea of first cousins and second cousins not getting dispensations has been shown to be a little bit of a problem. some brick walls that people have are because the groom and bride were related in this degree and only their silence on this matter allowed them to get married. Some times after they were married and had kids they suddenly discovered they were related. That happened in the Cervantes line. cousins marrying without a dispensation. They tried to hide the fact but it came out in the open in three situations, first at the wedding one of the fathers admitted that they were cousins but did not say primo hermano, just primos, Second, In a family tree where they did not list their children the grandfathers were listed as brothers, third a when false family tree that was created to show that Miguel Cervantes was closely related to them through the Cervantes line, it showed the grandfathers as brothers but falsely included Miguel's grandfather as a sibling.
it turns out that Miguel Cervantes is related to him but not closely, at least not through the Cervantes. It looks as he is related to them through a great great grandmothers of the Cervantes that was a conversa whose father was well known and financially well off and encouraged his converso children to marry old Christians. Miguel Cervantes, himself tried to hide his converso background.
Some genealogist have stated that There could be a relationship through Miguel Cervantes's maternal grandfather but no one knows who he is and only speculated in attempt to explain why Cervantes includes Saavedra in his last name.

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