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Hola Members/Primos,I was wondering who was the Father of Jose Munoz de Nava married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza on Feb.10,1716 ,Tepatitlan -Jalisco catholic church records matrimonios 1686-1735 image 157,which gives no indication who is Father was but only that they were parientes al cuarto grado . It states though one of the Padrinos is Leonor Gomez de Mendoza (I suspect is Micaela 's sister). Javier Sanchiz Ruiz-Geneanet-has a Jose Munoz de Nava listed as son of Francisco Munoz de Nava(born 1651 in Teocaltiche) and Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo, who shows no indication of a marriage of Jose. There is another Jose Munoz de Nava listed as son of Francisco Munoz de Nava(born april 21,1654 Aguascalientes) and Margarita Tiscareno,who is stated Jose to to be married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza. Familysearch.org has the opposite Jose Munoz de Nava,listed as son Francisco Munoz de Nava and leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo, married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza. In short how does one fig
ure out who Jose Munoz de Nava Father was ? Death records of Jose Munoz de Nava- Jalisco-Jalostotitlan -Defunciones-1750-1768 image 223-Jan. 17,1761 show no parents just Micaela Gomez de Mendoza.
Thank you for time
Ronnie Reynoso

Ronnie,

If you look at the children of José Muñoz de Nava on the site of Javier
Sanchiz Ruiz you will notice a source of info which is Luz Montejano
Hilton, Expedientes de la Serie de Matrimonios, Sagrada Mitra de
Guadalajara which might mean there is another dispensa that has conflicting
information. This would not be the first time for this to happen. I have
seen dispensas with errors at least six different times. Twice with Macías
Valadez family members, once with Moreno de Ortega, once with Villalobos,
once with Santoyo, and another one mentioned here on Nuestros Ranchos. You
should attempt to find the dispensas for the following people.

http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es;p=agustin;n=munoz+de+nava+gomez…

http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es;p=juan+francisco;n=munoz+de+nav…

Can you give me more info about where at familysearch.org you found Jose
Munoz de Nava,listed as son Francisco Munoz de Nava and leonor Ramirez de
Hermosillo, married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza?

Saludos
Armando

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:

>
> Hola Members/Primos,I was wondering who was the Father of Jose Munoz de
> Nava married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza on Feb.10,1716 ,Tepatitlan
> -Jalisco catholic church records matrimonios 1686-1735 image 157,which
> gives no indication who is Father was but only that they were parientes al
> cuarto grado . It states though one of the Padrinos is Leonor Gomez de
> Mendoza (I suspect is Micaela 's sister). Javier Sanchiz Ruiz-Geneanet-has
> a Jose Munoz de Nava listed as son of Francisco Munoz de Nava(born 1651 in
> Teocaltiche) and Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo, who shows no indication of a
> marriage of Jose. There is another Jose Munoz de Nava listed as son of
> Francisco Munoz de Nava(born april 21,1654 Aguascalientes) and Margarita
> Tiscareno,who is stated Jose to to be married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza.
> Familysearch.org has the opposite Jose Munoz de Nava,listed as son
> Francisco Munoz de Nava and leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo, married to
> Micaela Gomez de Mendoza. In short how does one fig
> ure out who Jose Munoz de Nava Father was ? Death records of Jose Munoz
> de Nava- Jalisco-Jalostotitlan -Defunciones-1750-1768 image 223-Jan.
> 17,1761 show no parents just Micaela Gomez de Mendoza.
> Thank you for time
> Ronnie Reynoso

Hola Armando,its under Jose munoz (de Nava)-marriage (-feb 10,)1716 or micaela gomez(de Mendoza) same year
Ronnie

> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:36:29 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Munoz de Nava-Francisco Munoz de Nava
>
> Ronnie,
>
> If you look at the children of José Muñoz de Nava on the site of Javier
> Sanchiz Ruiz you will notice a source of info which is Luz Montejano
> Hilton, Expedientes de la Serie de Matrimonios, Sagrada Mitra de
> Guadalajara which might mean there is another dispensa that has conflicting
> information. This would not be the first time for this to happen. I have
> seen dispensas with errors at least six different times. Twice with Macías
> Valadez family members, once with Moreno de Ortega, once with Villalobos,
> once with Santoyo, and another one mentioned here on Nuestros Ranchos. You
> should attempt to find the dispensas for the following people.
>
> http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es;p=agustin;n=munoz+de+nava+gomez…
>
> http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es;p=juan+francisco;n=munoz+de+nav…
>
>
> Can you give me more info about where at familysearch.org you found Jose
> Munoz de Nava,listed as son Francisco Munoz de Nava and leonor Ramirez de
> Hermosillo, married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza?
>
> Saludos
> Armando
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
>
> >
> > Hola Members/Primos,I was wondering who was the Father of Jose Munoz de
> > Nava married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza on Feb.10,1716 ,Tepatitlan
> > -Jalisco catholic church records matrimonios 1686-1735 image 157,which
> > gives no indication who is Father was but only that they were parientes al
> > cuarto grado . It states though one of the Padrinos is Leonor Gomez de
> > Mendoza (I suspect is Micaela 's sister). Javier Sanchiz Ruiz-Geneanet-has
> > a Jose Munoz de Nava listed as son of Francisco Munoz de Nava(born 1651 in
> > Teocaltiche) and Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo, who shows no indication of a
> > marriage of Jose. There is another Jose Munoz de Nava listed as son of
> > Francisco Munoz de Nava(born april 21,1654 Aguascalientes) and Margarita
> > Tiscareno,who is stated Jose to to be married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza.
> > Familysearch.org has the opposite Jose Munoz de Nava,listed as son
> > Francisco Munoz de Nava and leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo, married to
> > Micaela Gomez de Mendoza. In short how does one fig
> > ure out who Jose Munoz de Nava Father was ? Death records of Jose Munoz
> > de Nava- Jalisco-Jalostotitlan -Defunciones-1750-1768 image 223-Jan.
> > 17,1761 show no parents just Micaela Gomez de Mendoza.
> > Thank you for time
> > Ronnie Reynoso
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Hola Armando ,sorry its the old familysearch.org I used.
Ronnie

> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:36:29 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Munoz de Nava-Francisco Munoz de Nava
>
> Ronnie,
>
> If you look at the children of José Muñoz de Nava on the site of Javier
> Sanchiz Ruiz you will notice a source of info which is Luz Montejano
> Hilton, Expedientes de la Serie de Matrimonios, Sagrada Mitra de
> Guadalajara which might mean there is another dispensa that has conflicting
> information. This would not be the first time for this to happen. I have
> seen dispensas with errors at least six different times. Twice with Macías
> Valadez family members, once with Moreno de Ortega, once with Villalobos,
> once with Santoyo, and another one mentioned here on Nuestros Ranchos. You
> should attempt to find the dispensas for the following people.
>
> http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es;p=agustin;n=munoz+de+nava+gomez…
>
> http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es;p=juan+francisco;n=munoz+de+nav…
>
>
> Can you give me more info about where at familysearch.org you found Jose
> Munoz de Nava,listed as son Francisco Munoz de Nava and leonor Ramirez de
> Hermosillo, married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza?
>
> Saludos
> Armando
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
>
> >
> > Hola Members/Primos,I was wondering who was the Father of Jose Munoz de
> > Nava married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza on Feb.10,1716 ,Tepatitlan
> > -Jalisco catholic church records matrimonios 1686-1735 image 157,which
> > gives no indication who is Father was but only that they were parientes al
> > cuarto grado . It states though one of the Padrinos is Leonor Gomez de
> > Mendoza (I suspect is Micaela 's sister). Javier Sanchiz Ruiz-Geneanet-has
> > a Jose Munoz de Nava listed as son of Francisco Munoz de Nava(born 1651 in
> > Teocaltiche) and Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo, who shows no indication of a
> > marriage of Jose. There is another Jose Munoz de Nava listed as son of
> > Francisco Munoz de Nava(born april 21,1654 Aguascalientes) and Margarita
> > Tiscareno,who is stated Jose to to be married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza.
> > Familysearch.org has the opposite Jose Munoz de Nava,listed as son
> > Francisco Munoz de Nava and leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo, married to
> > Micaela Gomez de Mendoza. In short how does one fig
> > ure out who Jose Munoz de Nava Father was ? Death records of Jose Munoz
> > de Nava- Jalisco-Jalostotitlan -Defunciones-1750-1768 image 223-Jan.
> > 17,1761 show no parents just Micaela Gomez de Mendoza.
> > Thank you for time
> > Ronnie Reynoso
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> > To post, send email to:
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> >
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> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >

Hola Ronnie,

I suspected it was at the old site but I couldn't find it. I've found it
now. It is most likely based off a family group sheet submitted by Jaime
Holcombe Isunza found in film number 1396255. You should order the film and
copy the family group sheets in it that he has submitted because he would
note his sources at the bottom of the page. You can order it at the
following page -

https://www.familysearch.org/films/lookup/products/view/film/1396255/

In case someone else wants to see the old family search page for this
couple it is at -

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=…

Saludos
Armando

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:

>
> Hola Armando ,sorry its the old familysearch.org I used.
> Ronnie
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:36:29 -0500
> > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Munoz de Nava-Francisco Munoz de
> Nava
> >
> > Ronnie,
> >
> > If you look at the children of José Muñoz de Nava on the site of Javier
> > Sanchiz Ruiz you will notice a source of info which is Luz Montejano
> > Hilton, Expedientes de la Serie de Matrimonios, Sagrada Mitra de
> > Guadalajara which might mean there is another dispensa that has
> conflicting
> > information. This would not be the first time for this to happen. I have
> > seen dispensas with errors at least six different times. Twice with
> Macías
> > Valadez family members, once with Moreno de Ortega, once with Villalobos,
> > once with Santoyo, and another one mentioned here on Nuestros Ranchos.
> You
> > should attempt to find the dispensas for the following people.
> >
> >
> http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es;p=agustin;n=munoz+de+nava+gomez…
> >
> >
> http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es;p=juan+francisco;n=munoz+de+nav…
> >
> >
> > Can you give me more info about where at familysearch.org you found Jose
> > Munoz de Nava,listed as son Francisco Munoz de Nava and leonor Ramirez de
> > Hermosillo, married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza?
> >
> > Saludos
> > Armando
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Ronald Reynoso
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hola Members/Primos,I was wondering who was the Father of Jose Munoz de
> > > Nava married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza on Feb.10,1716 ,Tepatitlan
> > > -Jalisco catholic church records matrimonios 1686-1735 image 157,which
> > > gives no indication who is Father was but only that they were
> parientes al
> > > cuarto grado . It states though one of the Padrinos is Leonor Gomez de
> > > Mendoza (I suspect is Micaela 's sister). Javier Sanchiz
> Ruiz-Geneanet-has
> > > a Jose Munoz de Nava listed as son of Francisco Munoz de Nava(born
> 1651 in
> > > Teocaltiche) and Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo, who shows no indication
> of a
> > > marriage of Jose. There is another Jose Munoz de Nava listed as son of
> > > Francisco Munoz de Nava(born april 21,1654 Aguascalientes) and
> Margarita
> > > Tiscareno,who is stated Jose to to be married to Micaela Gomez de
> Mendoza.
> > > Familysearch.org has the opposite Jose Munoz de Nava,listed as son
> > > Francisco Munoz de Nava and leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo, married to
> > > Micaela Gomez de Mendoza. In short how does one fig
> > > ure out who Jose Munoz de Nava Father was ? Death records of Jose Munoz
> > > de Nava- Jalisco-Jalostotitlan -Defunciones-1750-1768 image 223-Jan.
> > > 17,1761 show no parents just Micaela Gomez de Mendoza.
> > > Thank you for time
> > > Ronnie Reynoso
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
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> > >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> >
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>

Hola Ronnie,

The dispensa you just mentioned states that Leonor Ramírez de Hermosillo
was the cousin of Agustín Garcia de Hermsillo. It also states that Leonor
Ramírez de Hermosillo was the grandmother of the groom. If this information
is correct then the information that is on Javier Sanchiz Ruiz's site is
incorrect. It would be best to find more records to corroborate this info.
One way would be to find the dispensa of the original couple in question -
Jose Munoz de Nava married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza on Feb 10, 1716
Tepatitlán by looking through Guadalajara Matrimonios 1716-1718 film 167985
which seems to be the only volume that hasn't been indexed that would have
the dispensa for that particular marriage.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-13935-86?

Once the rest of the dispensas have been indexed we might find the
dispensas that Javier Sanchiz Ruiz used for his site.

Have you looked through all of the ones that have been indexed that mention
the Muñoz de Nava, García de Hermosillo, or Ramírez de Hermosillo surnames.

Saludos
Armando

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:

Hola Armando and Members ,Back in the 15 of march ,2012 I was inquiring
about Jose Munoz de Nava married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza. I don't
remember if I answered you about Jose Munoz de Nava being the son of
Francisco Munoz de Nava and Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo. I found a
dispensa film# 168374 -year 1743-1754 page # 88 for Antonio Munoz (son
of Jose Munoz de Nava and Micaela Gomez de Mendoza) and Paula Gertrudis
Garcia de Hermosillo. Its states that Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo gave
birth/procreated Joseph Munoz de Nava. So far this is the only proof I
found.
Ronnie

Ronnie,

It didn't take as long as I thought it would to find the record. It shows how helpful it can be to keep track of which films containing dispensas have which dates and which ones haven't been indexed.

It's at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-14963-82?

Joseph Muñoz de Nava was definitely the son of Francisco Muñoz de Nava and Leonor Ramírez de Hermosillo.

It would be nice to know which dispensa caused confusion so I'll keep that in mind while they continue to be indexed.

Saludos
Armando

Thank you, Armando. And that would be the dispensas indexed at
www.guadalajaradispensas.com

Best,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Armando wrote:

> Hola Ronnie,
>
> The dispensa you just mentioned states that Leonor Ramírez de Hermosillo
> was the cousin of Agustín Garcia de Hermsillo. It also states that Leonor
> Ramírez de Hermosillo was the grandmother of the groom. If this information
> is correct then the information that is on Javier Sanchiz Ruiz's site is
> incorrect. It would be best to find more records to corroborate this info.
> One way would be to find the dispensa of the original couple in question -
> Jose Munoz de Nava married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza on Feb 10, 1716
> Tepatitlán by looking through Guadalajara Matrimonios 1716-1718 film 167985
> which seems to be the only volume that hasn't been indexed that would have
> the dispensa for that particular marriage.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-13935-86?
>
> Once the rest of the dispensas have been indexed we might find the
> dispensas that Javier Sanchiz Ruiz used for his site.
>
> Have you looked through all of the ones that have been indexed that mention
> the Muñoz de Nava, García de Hermosillo, or Ramírez de Hermosillo surnames.
>
>
> Saludos
> Armando
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
>
> Hola Armando and Members ,Back in the 15 of march ,2012 I was inquiring
> about Jose Munoz de Nava married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza. I don't
> remember if I answered you about Jose Munoz de Nava being the son of
> Francisco Munoz de Nava and Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo. I found a
> dispensa film# 168374 -year 1743-1754 page # 88 for Antonio Munoz (son
> of Jose Munoz de Nava and Micaela Gomez de Mendoza) and Paula Gertrudis
> Garcia de Hermosillo. Its states that Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo gave
> birth/procreated Joseph Munoz de Nava. So far this is the only proof I
> found.
> Ronnie

Hoal Armando,thank you much
I will check on it.
Ronnie

> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:05:42 -0800
> From: guadalajaradispensas@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Munoz de Nava-Francisco Munoz de Nava
>
> Thank you, Armando. And that would be the dispensas indexed at
> www.guadalajaradispensas.com
>
> Best,
> Claudia
> www.guadalajaradispensas.com
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Armando wrote:
>
> > Hola Ronnie,
> >
> > The dispensa you just mentioned states that Leonor Ramírez de Hermosillo
> > was the cousin of Agustín Garcia de Hermsillo. It also states that Leonor
> > Ramírez de Hermosillo was the grandmother of the groom. If this information
> > is correct then the information that is on Javier Sanchiz Ruiz's site is
> > incorrect. It would be best to find more records to corroborate this info.
> > One way would be to find the dispensa of the original couple in question -
> > Jose Munoz de Nava married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza on Feb 10, 1716
> > Tepatitlán by looking through Guadalajara Matrimonios 1716-1718 film 167985
> > which seems to be the only volume that hasn't been indexed that would have
> > the dispensa for that particular marriage.
> >
> > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-13935-86?
> >
> > Once the rest of the dispensas have been indexed we might find the
> > dispensas that Javier Sanchiz Ruiz used for his site.
> >
> > Have you looked through all of the ones that have been indexed that mention
> > the Muñoz de Nava, García de Hermosillo, or Ramírez de Hermosillo surnames.
> >
> >
> > Saludos
> > Armando
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
> >
> > Hola Armando and Members ,Back in the 15 of march ,2012 I was inquiring
> > about Jose Munoz de Nava married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza. I don't
> > remember if I answered you about Jose Munoz de Nava being the son of
> > Francisco Munoz de Nava and Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo. I found a
> > dispensa film# 168374 -year 1743-1754 page # 88 for Antonio Munoz (son
> > of Jose Munoz de Nava and Micaela Gomez de Mendoza) and Paula Gertrudis
> > Garcia de Hermosillo. Its states that Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo gave
> > birth/procreated Joseph Munoz de Nava. So far this is the only proof I
> > found.
> > Ronnie
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> > >
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Hola Armando , I want to thank you for the dispensa . I found Jose Munoz de nava on # image 16 . I hope this is all I need for confirmation that Jose is the son of Francisco Munoz de Nava and Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo.
Thank you
Ronnie

> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 21:22:19 -0600
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Munoz de Nava-Francisco Munoz de Nava
>
> Hola Ronnie,
>
> The dispensa you just mentioned states that Leonor Ramírez de Hermosillo
> was the cousin of Agustín Garcia de Hermsillo. It also states that Leonor
> Ramírez de Hermosillo was the grandmother of the groom. If this information
> is correct then the information that is on Javier Sanchiz Ruiz's site is
> incorrect. It would be best to find more records to corroborate this info.
> One way would be to find the dispensa of the original couple in question -
> Jose Munoz de Nava married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza on Feb 10, 1716
> Tepatitlán by looking through Guadalajara Matrimonios 1716-1718 film 167985
> which seems to be the only volume that hasn't been indexed that would have
> the dispensa for that particular marriage.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-13935-86?
>
> Once the rest of the dispensas have been indexed we might find the
> dispensas that Javier Sanchiz Ruiz used for his site.
>
> Have you looked through all of the ones that have been indexed that mention
> the Muñoz de Nava, García de Hermosillo, or Ramírez de Hermosillo surnames.
>
>
> Saludos
> Armando
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
>
> Hola Armando and Members ,Back in the 15 of march ,2012 I was inquiring
> about Jose Munoz de Nava married to Micaela Gomez de Mendoza. I don't
> remember if I answered you about Jose Munoz de Nava being the son of
> Francisco Munoz de Nava and Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo. I found a
> dispensa film# 168374 -year 1743-1754 page # 88 for Antonio Munoz (son
> of Jose Munoz de Nava and Micaela Gomez de Mendoza) and Paula Gertrudis
> Garcia de Hermosillo. Its states that Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo gave
> birth/procreated Joseph Munoz de Nava. So far this is the only proof I
> found.
> Ronnie

Yes, that is all you need for confirmation that José was the son of Francisco Muñoz de Nava and Leonor Ramírez de Hermosillo. There is now no doubt. Errors I have seen have been with grandparents and great grandparents. José would have known who his parents were.

By the way, the other Joseph Muñoz that was the son of Francisco Muñoz and Margarita Tiscareño married Antonia de Carrion y López de Oropesa circa 6 April 1703 based on the Información Matrimonial record that Robert Fulton indexed. In this record he uses the compound surname Muñoz de Hermosillo. They were the parents of Alexo Muñoz de Hermosillo.

Saludos,
Armando

Hola Claudia ,hijo tell me what and how you knew and where to look ,please. What is it that I said there in el cuarto grado de parientesco ? Man I could use some advise.
thank you very much for your time and effort
Ronnie Reynoso p.s. I wonder how Javier Sanchiz Ruiz got the info mixed up.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:38:16 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Munoz de Nava-Francisco
>
> When in doubt...go to the GuadalajaraDispensas blog...I posted this a while ago :)
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-16949-52?cc=1874591&wc…
>
>
>
> Saludos,
> Claudia
> www.guadalajaradispensas.com
>

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