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Not long ago I was working on finding the parents of Maria de Arizmendi (wife of Juan del Muro (I)). Thanks to “Katy’s Guadalajara Dispensa Index,” an Ordones for Aparicio del Muro in 1731 solves this, but presents new questions.

But first some family tree information:

Aparicio del Muro is the son of Juan del Muro (II) and Antonia de Avila. Antonia de Avila is the daughter of Maria de Chirriaga, but not by her husband Pedro del Muro (II), but by another man as clarified in her 1693 marriage dispensa Found here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6PGH?mode=g&i=225&wc=3J4Q-…

Juan del Muro (II) is the son of Juan del Muro (I) and Maria de Arizmendi. Juan del Muro (I) is also a brother to Pedro del Muro (II) (husband of Maria de Chirriaga).

In the Ordones 1730-1741, on image 404, right page, continued on image 405. Starting here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DN1J-M?mode=g&i=403&wc=3JW…

(Note: The whole document starts from image 258 to 265, then continues from 398 to 412)

The third testigo, Lorenzo Lopez Pichardo, names the maternal grandparents of the “presenta” (Juan del Muro (II)) as Juan de Arizmendi and Maria de la Candelaria Rios (these are the parents of Maria de Arizmendi). He continues by saying that the paternal grandparents of the “presenta” (Juan del Muro (II)) are unknown to him (though I know from my own research that they are Pedro del Muro (I) and Maria de Salas). Instead of paternal grandparents, the said Lorenzo Lopez Pichardo, names Pedro de Salas and his wife Juana de Bonilla, but I do not understand what the document is saying about them.

Can anyone help decipher this part?

A little more information on this couple can be seen in the wiki tree found here:

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Salas-13

Unfortunately, it does not show any connection to the del Muros.

Who are Pedro de Salas and Juana de Bonilla to Juan del Muro (II)? …His paternal great-grandparents? (if Pedro de Salas is Maria de Salas’ father)...His paternal great uncle? (If Pedro de Salas is Maria de Salas’ brother) … or His adoptive grandparents?

Text goes like this:

-Don Juan del Muro introduce Lorenso Lopes Pichardo as witness.

-Lorenso said he knows the one who introduce him since He born. (note "conoce al que lo presenta" in this case "presenta" means "to introduce" not "her/she is present", here the witness is talking about Juan)

-That Juan was married with Doña Antonia de Abila.

-That they both Juan and Antonia had a son, among others named Br. Dn. Aparisio Benansio del Muro.

-That he (Lorenso) knew Juan's parents "Juan del Muro and Maria de Arismendis"

-That he (Lorenso) didn't knew Antonia's parent in person but that he knew by others that they were "Pedro del Muro and Maria de Chirriaga"

-That the marternal grandparents of Juan del Muro (son) are "Juan de Arismendi and Maria de la Candelaria Rios"

-That even when he (Lorenso) didn't knew Juan (son) paternal grandparents, he knows by other people that they were "Pedro de Salas and Juana de Bonilla. (this means according to the witness that "Salas" and "Del Muro" were the same Family.

After this, there is the customary declaration of "pureness of blood", it goes and says that all the named people are "old Christians" and have no "blood mixture" etc. There is no other information in this paragraph about the Grandparents or else.

If you take in account the margin of error during the writing of this documents plus the fact that the witness didn't really knew the grand parents, chances are that they names were not fully accurate.

Hope it helps a little.

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