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Linda,

How does one get in touch with Susana Leniski for information on Miguel
Caldera and Maria Cid? Also, do you know what books Phillip
Wayne Powell has published Miguel Caldera besides The Taming of
America's First Frontier (1548-1597).

I have an ancestress by the name of Maria-Anacleta "Cleta" Caldera from
Tepetongo, Zacatecas.

I have not been able to find information about her parents or where
they came from to San Jose de Arroyo Seco de Abajo in Tepetongo.

Elvira

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Susana is a member of this group. She has submitted her Caldera work to Nuestros Ranchos. Joseph or Arturo, can you help on this?
Linda

"campezina@juno.com" wrote:
Linda,

How does one get in touch with Susana Leniski for information on Miguel
Caldera and Maria Cid? Also, do you know what books Phillip
Wayne Powell has published Miguel Caldera besides The Taming of
America's First Frontier (1548-1597).

I have an ancestress by the name of Maria-Anacleta "Cleta" Caldera from
Tepetongo, Zacatecas.

I have not been able to find information about her parents or where
they came from to San Jose de Arroyo Seco de Abajo in Tepetongo.

Elvira

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Elvira:

You can find Susana Leniski's Caldera file in her member's genealogy folder. Maria Cid and her husband Hernan Gonzalez (who was a close collaborator of Miguel) had many children and appear as the common root for a number of Jerez-area dispensations in the Sagrada Mitra.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14128

Also, these are the other books from Philip Wayne Powell that contain documents, etc. regarding Miguel:

War and peace on the North Mexican frontier; a documentary record, collected and arranged by Philip Wayne Powell. Paleographic transcriptions by Maria L. Powell.

Soldiers, Indians & silver; North America's first frontier war.

Arturo, do you have any idea where the name Cid comes from?
Linda in Everett

arturoramos wrote:

Elvira:

You can find Susana Leniski's Caldera file in her member's genealogy folder. Maria Cid and her husband Hernan Gonzalez (who was a close collaborator of Miguel) had many children and appear as the common root for a number of Jerez-area dispensations in the Sagrada Mitra.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14128

Also, these are the other books from Philip Wayne Powell that contain documents, etc. regarding Miguel:

War and peace on the North Mexican frontier; a documentary record, collected and arranged by Philip Wayne Powell. Paleographic transcriptions by Maria L. Powell.

Soldiers, Indians & silver; North America's first frontier war.

Linda:

The Cid in Maria Cid... that is a tough nut to crack. Philip Wayne Powell writes in his book that she was likely a half sister of Miguel because she had a different last name, but Susana and I are convinced that both she and Miguel were full siblings and children of Pedro Caldera. As you have probably figured out, siblings in the 1500s did not necessarily share surnames and the fact that half of Maria's children took the name Caldera makes it pretty clear that she was also a descendant of the Caldera line.

So we know that her mother likely had no surname as one is never mentioned and she was a Guachichil woman. Pedro Caldera is never mentioned with the name Cid, but what was a common practice, I have found, is to name children (especially girls) for their grandparents and when doing so giving them the full name including the surname.

So one of my theories is that Pedro Caldera's mother (or perhaps grandmother) was named Maria Cid and she was named after her. Proving this theory would require finding Pedro Caldera's records back in Spain. That is on my long list of to-dos.

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Just thought I'd mention that I'm working on a civil birth record with an index for Jerez Zacatecas Mexico. I'ts #1081913 Jerez civil birth records 1886-1887. If anyone needs a look up I'd be glad to check for you. It does start Jan 1st 1886.

Linda in Everett

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Hi, Linda,

I have one look-up for you: Maria Juliana Olage [Olague], christened 16 FEB 1887 in Jerez, parents Leon Olague and Felise Suriano according to the IGI.

I'd like to know if her grandparents are mentioned and when and where she was born (and her padrinos too).

Thanks

Emilie in Port Orchard
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From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 1:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jerez Zacatecas civil birth record

Just thought I'd mention that I'm working on a civil birth record with an index for Jerez Zacatecas Mexico. I'ts #1081913 Jerez civil birth records 1886-1887. If anyone needs a look up I'd be glad to check for you. It does start Jan 1st 1886.

Linda in Everett

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Emily I'll have that for you tomorrow evening.. glad I could be of help.
Linda

Emilie Garcia wrote:
Hi, Linda,

I have one look-up for you: Maria Juliana Olage [Olague], christened 16 FEB 1887 in Jerez, parents Leon Olague and Felise Suriano according to the IGI.

I'd like to know if her grandparents are mentioned and when and where she was born (and her padrinos too).

Thanks

Emilie in Port Orchard
----- Original Message -----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 1:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jerez Zacatecas civil birth record

Just thought I'd mention that I'm working on a civil birth record with an index for Jerez Zacatecas Mexico. I'ts #1081913 Jerez civil birth records 1886-1887. If anyone needs a look up I'd be glad to check for you. It does start Jan 1st 1886.

Linda in Everett

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@arturoramos- just because maria cid caldera has the same last name as miguel, doesn't autmatically make them full siblings. for all we now she could have had a different dad than miguel.

Arturo are the books by Philip Wayne Powell in English or in Spanish? I haven't seen any for sale..
Linda

arturoramos wrote:

Elvira:

You can find Susana Leniski's Caldera file in her member's genealogy folder. Maria Cid and her husband Hernan Gonzalez (who was a close collaborator of Miguel) had many children and appear as the common root for a number of Jerez-area dispensations in the Sagrada Mitra.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14128

Also, these are the other books from Philip Wayne Powell that contain documents, etc. regarding Miguel:

War and peace on the North Mexican frontier; a documentary record, collected and arranged by Philip Wayne Powell. Paleographic transcriptions by Maria L. Powell.

Soldiers, Indians & silver; North America's first frontier war.

Linda:

I have Powell's biography of Caldera in English. I had to buy it used. I think the problem is that the books are out of print in English. You can get "Mexico's Miguel Caldera" pretty easily used on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0816505691

Just last week ordered a couple of (new) copies of the book in Spanish from the Fondo de Economia Politica online bookstore in Mexico. The book in Spanish is called "Capitán mestizo : Miguel Caldera y la Frontera norteña. La pacificación de los chichimecas (1548-1597)." They also have a book by Powell called "La guerra chichimeca (1550-1600)."

http://www.libreriasdelfondo.com/

The other two books I have only ever seen at the Library of Congress here in DC.

I just did a search on bookfinder.com for any books by him and found Soldiers, Indians and Silver, also used on Biblio.com:

http://www.biblio.com/books/91206341.html

Arturo, I just bought an English version of Mexico's Miguel Caldera, thank you for informing me I could get it in English..
thank you again, Linda in Everett

arturoramos wrote:

Linda:

I have Powell's biography of Caldera in English. I had to buy it used. I think the problem is that the books are out of print in English. You can get "Mexico's Miguel Caldera" pretty easily used on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0816505691

Just last week ordered a couple of (new) copies of the book in Spanish from the Fondo de Economia Politica online bookstore in Mexico. The book in Spanish is called "Capitán mestizo : Miguel Caldera y la Frontera norteña. La pacificación de los chichimecas (1548-1597)." They also have a book by Powell called "La guerra chichimeca (1550-1600)."

http://www.libreriasdelfondo.com/

The other two books I have only ever seen at the Library of Congress here in DC.

I just did a search on bookfinder.com for any books by him and found Soldiers, Indians and Silver, also used on Biblio.com:

http://www.biblio.com/books/91206341.html

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arturoramos wrote:

Elvira:

You can find Susana Leniski's Caldera file in her member's genealogy folder. Maria Cid and her husband Hernan Gonzalez (who was a close collaborator of Miguel) had many children and appear as the common root for a number of Jerez-area dispensations in the Sagrada Mitra.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14128

Also, these are the other books from Philip Wayne Powell that contain documents, etc. regarding Miguel:

War and peace on the North Mexican frontier; a documentary record, collected and arranged by Philip Wayne Powell. Paleographic transcriptions by Maria L. Powell.

Soldiers, Indians & silver; North America's first frontier war.

Go to the files and then to members genealogies then to Lenski, Susana
folder and then click on her user name which is the name in the line
that looks like this:

Submitted by superhorrible on 23 March, 2006 - 12:56pm.

after you click on the "superhorrible" username then you would click on
"contact" and proceed to email her through the system.

or you could more easily just type in "leniski" in the search window and
when you see one of her messages come up then you would click on her
Username and click on contact.

joseph

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Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
> Susana is a member of this group. She has submitted her Caldera work to Nuestros Ranchos. Joseph or Arturo, can you help on this?
> Linda
>
> "campezina@juno.com" wrote:
> Linda,
>
>
> How does one get in touch with Susana Leniski for information on Miguel
> Caldera and Maria Cid? Also, do you know what books Phillip
> Wayne Powell has published Miguel Caldera besides The Taming of
> America's First Frontier (1548-1597).
>
> I have an ancestress by the name of Maria-Anacleta "Cleta" Caldera from
> Tepetongo, Zacatecas.
>
> I have not been able to find information about her parents or where
> they came from to San Jose de Arroyo Seco de Abajo in Tepetongo.
>
> Elvira
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Interested in getting caught up on today's news?
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> http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/fron…
>
>

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