I've been looking into your research topic a bit, and I've discovered that the family of Margarito Armas and Macedonia Jauregui is listed in the 1930 Census for La Jabonera.
What makes it hard to find, is that it is indexed, incorrectly, under the name "Margarito Arenas." Everywhere in the extract below where it says "Arenas" should actually be "Armas." I think the image is actually pretty easy to read, but it was clearly mis-read.
The is what the index has:
Name: Masedonia Jauregui
Head of Household: Margarito Arenas
Age: 40a
Residence: La Jabonera, Nochistlán, Zacatecas, Mexico
Estimated Birth Year: 1890
Birthplace: Zacatecas
Gender: Female
Sexo: Mujer
Civil Status: Married both Civilly and in the Church
Marital Status (Spanish): Casado por lo Civil y la Iglesia
Film Number: 1520536
Digital Folder Number: 4108037
Image Number: 00073
Page Number: 140
Line Number:
Household Gender Age
Margarito Arenas M 45a
Masedonia Jauregui F 40a
Maria Arenas F 14a
Maria Jesus Arenas F 12a
Tomas Arenas M 10a
Anita Arenas F 8a
Abram Flores
You think so when i first looked into that record i was petty sure that wasn't right because his last name is armas not arenas and i saw there signature in the 1930 census
some of the names look like arenas and some didn't so im really confused right now.
According to one of your earlier postings, Mauricio was married in the 1914/17 period, which suggests that he had his own household by this time, thus he would not necessarily be ennumerated in this household. This is actually confirmed in the 1930 Census for La Jabonera which shows his family with Visenta Munoz, and your grandfather J. Candelario Armas as the youngest in the family.
I did a search in Family Search for 'Mauricio Armas' by simply typing in his name and a person indexed as 'Mauricio Armas-Jaureg' comes up in the social security death index. He died in 1987, and was born 22 Sep 1905, but it didn't say where he was born. On a hunch, I thought he could be your gr-grandfather, thinking the name was truncated in the SSDI, and looked in the Nochistlan civil birth records. He is there, and the record names parents, Margarito Armas/Macedonia Jauregui, and all four grandparents Felipe Armas/Leonarda Lozano and Encarnacion Jauregui/Francisca Gonzales.
The Nochistlan records have been extracted, so by using Family Search and the original records together (don't rely on the Family Search extracts alone), you should have some success with your family tree. The Nochistlan records are very good. There is generally more information in the original records than in the Family Search extracts, for example: the birth records usually name the grandparents, but these are not listed in the extracted records.
A word of caution, however, for some reason, the baptismal records do not always have all the children in a family. So if the person you need is not there, look at the records for the brothers and sisters. Also, sometimes the marriage record will not be there, but you will have a list of children who are all 'hijo legitimo,' which means the parents were indeed married.
Abram Flores
Do you know where i can find jose encarnacion jauregui birth record or anything where i can reach his parents?or fransisca gonzalez birth record?
Based on the information that has been gathered thus far, I have a couple of finds. It looks like the two marriage dates, might have been one for the actual marriage and the second could be when they were veiled. I would suggest you look these up at www.familysearch.org under the Mexico Catholic Records Section for Zacatecas and Jalisco Catholic Records in order to advance. Other than that I belive your line has reached around 1825 over night. I find the period between 1850-present day, you really need to ask living members, find the information that you need. Once you reach pre-1850 you can usually find clues on familysearch. Always double check sources, something I am going back to make sure all is well. I wish you the best of luck in the exciting world of genealogy.
Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino
JOSE DOLORES JAUREGUI GONZALEZ
Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
12 NOV 1873
Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
ENCARNACION JAUREGUI
Family
Mother:
FRANCISCA GONZALEZ
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
No source document or additional information exists.
Sorry the last message was a bit weird. Here is the information in a more concise manner.
groom's name:
Felipe Armas
bride's name:
Leonarda Lozano
marriage date:
13 May 1879
marriage place:
Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico
indexing project (batch) number:
M60626-5
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
226734
groom's name:
Jose Encarnacion Jauregui
bride's name:
Francisca Gonzalez
marriage date:
31 Oct 1882
marriage place:
Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico
indexing project (batch) number:
M60626-6
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
226735
groom's name:
Jose Encarnacion Jauregui
bride's name:
Francisca Gonzalez
marriage date:
25 Jan 1883
marriage place:
Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico
indexing project (batch) number:
M60626-7
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
226736
JOSE DOLORES JAUREGUI GONZALEZ
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
12 NOV 1873
Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
Father:
ENCARNACION JAUREGUI
Mother: FRANCISCA GONZALEZ
Margarito Armas and Macedonia Jauregui
Abram
I've been looking into your research topic a bit, and I've discovered that the family of Margarito Armas and Macedonia Jauregui is listed in the 1930 Census for La Jabonera.
What makes it hard to find, is that it is indexed, incorrectly, under the name "Margarito Arenas." Everywhere in the extract below where it says "Arenas" should actually be "Armas." I think the image is actually pretty easy to read, but it was clearly mis-read.
The is what the index has:
Name: Masedonia Jauregui
Head of Household: Margarito Arenas
Age: 40a
Residence: La Jabonera, Nochistlán, Zacatecas, Mexico
Estimated Birth Year: 1890
Birthplace: Zacatecas
Gender: Female
Sexo: Mujer
Civil Status: Married both Civilly and in the Church
Marital Status (Spanish): Casado por lo Civil y la Iglesia
Film Number: 1520536
Digital Folder Number: 4108037
Image Number: 00073
Page Number: 140
Line Number:
Household Gender Age
Margarito Arenas M 45a
Masedonia Jauregui F 40a
Maria Arenas F 14a
Maria Jesus Arenas F 12a
Tomas Arenas M 10a
Anita Arenas F 8a
This is the link to the image.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11863-108650-85?cc=1307314
I would not take the ages as being necessarily correct; census records are notorious for having wrong ages (especially as people get older).
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Margarito Armas and Macedonia Jauregui
Abram Flores
You think so when i first looked into that record i was petty sure that wasn't right because his last name is armas not arenas and i saw there signature in the 1930 census
some of the names look like arenas and some didn't so im really confused right now.
Margarito Armas and Macedonia Jauregui
Abram Flores
Oh and my g grandfather wasn't shown in the census mauricio armas which was one of margarito's son.?
Mauricio Armas
Abram
According to one of your earlier postings, Mauricio was married in the 1914/17 period, which suggests that he had his own household by this time, thus he would not necessarily be ennumerated in this household. This is actually confirmed in the 1930 Census for La Jabonera which shows his family with Visenta Munoz, and your grandfather J. Candelario Armas as the youngest in the family.
I did a search in Family Search for 'Mauricio Armas' by simply typing in his name and a person indexed as 'Mauricio Armas-Jaureg' comes up in the social security death index. He died in 1987, and was born 22 Sep 1905, but it didn't say where he was born. On a hunch, I thought he could be your gr-grandfather, thinking the name was truncated in the SSDI, and looked in the Nochistlan civil birth records. He is there, and the record names parents, Margarito Armas/Macedonia Jauregui, and all four grandparents Felipe Armas/Leonarda Lozano and Encarnacion Jauregui/Francisca Gonzales.
The Nochistlan records have been extracted, so by using Family Search and the original records together (don't rely on the Family Search extracts alone), you should have some success with your family tree. The Nochistlan records are very good. There is generally more information in the original records than in the Family Search extracts, for example: the birth records usually name the grandparents, but these are not listed in the extracted records.
A word of caution, however, for some reason, the baptismal records do not always have all the children in a family. So if the person you need is not there, look at the records for the brothers and sisters. Also, sometimes the marriage record will not be there, but you will have a list of children who are all 'hijo legitimo,' which means the parents were indeed married.
Best of luck!
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Mauricio Armas
Abram Flores
Thank you so much george for all this info.Can you give me the link where you found the civil birth records please?
Nochistlan refernce for Mauricio
Abram
You're welcome!
I had intended to put in the url ... here it is
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-22264-28563-57?cc=1916240…
The record actually begins at the very bottom of the previous page.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Nochistlan refernce for Mauricio
Abram Flores Is it the one that say numero 734 and in the bottom says nochistlan on page 642?i can hardly read cursive writing sorry.
Mauricio's record
Abram
It is #740.
The main part of the record is on the link I sent (beginning at the top left page). The record begins at the very bottom of the previous page.
The records are all run together; but they all begin "En la ciudad ..."
The handwriting can be a bit hard at first, but the more you work with the documents, the easier it gets.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Abram Flores awesome thanks
Abram Flores
awesome thanks
Nochistlan refernce for Mauricio
Abram Flores
Do you know where i can find jose encarnacion jauregui birth record or anything where i can reach his parents?or fransisca gonzalez birth record?
Mauricio Armas
Hi Abram,
Based on the information that has been gathered thus far, I have a couple of finds. It looks like the two marriage dates, might have been one for the actual marriage and the second could be when they were veiled. I would suggest you look these up at www.familysearch.org under the Mexico Catholic Records Section for Zacatecas and Jalisco Catholic Records in order to advance. Other than that I belive your line has reached around 1825 over night. I find the period between 1850-present day, you really need to ask living members, find the information that you need. Once you reach pre-1850 you can usually find clues on familysearch. Always double check sources, something I am going back to make sure all is well. I wish you the best of luck in the exciting world of genealogy.
Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino
JOSE DOLORES JAUREGUI GONZALEZ
Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
12 NOV 1873
Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
ENCARNACION JAUREGUI
Family
Mother:
FRANCISCA GONZALEZ
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
No source document or additional information exists.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
C607114
1872 - 1873
0638764
Film
NONE
Sheet: 00
IGI Individual Record
FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
Mexico
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JOSE ENCARNACION JAUREGUI
Pedigree
Male
Family
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse:
FRANCISCA GONZALEZ
Family
Marriage:
31 OCT 1882
Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
M606266
1880 - 1883
0226735
Film
NONE
Sheet: 00
JOSE ENCARNACION JAUREGUI
Pedigree
Male
Family
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse:
FRANCISCA GONZALEZ
Family
Marriage:
25 JAN 1883
Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
M606267
1883 - 1885
0226736
Film
NONE
Sheet: 00
IGI Individual Record
FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
Mexico
Search Results | Download | Print
FELIPE ARMAS
Pedigree
Male
Family
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse:
LEONARDA LOZANO
Family
Marriage:
13 MAY 1879
Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
M606265
1874 - 1880
0226734
Film
NONE
Sheet: 00
Mauricio Armas
Sorry the last message was a bit weird. Here is the information in a more concise manner.
groom's name:
Felipe Armas
bride's name:
Leonarda Lozano
marriage date:
13 May 1879
marriage place:
Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico
indexing project (batch) number:
M60626-5
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
226734
groom's name:
Jose Encarnacion Jauregui
bride's name:
Francisca Gonzalez
marriage date:
31 Oct 1882
marriage place:
Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico
indexing project (batch) number:
M60626-6
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
226735
groom's name:
Jose Encarnacion Jauregui
bride's name:
Francisca Gonzalez
marriage date:
25 Jan 1883
marriage place:
Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico
indexing project (batch) number:
M60626-7
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
226736
JOSE DOLORES JAUREGUI GONZALEZ
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
12 NOV 1873
Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
Father:
ENCARNACION JAUREGUI
Mother: FRANCISCA GONZALEZ
Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino