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Tomas de Villalpando and Michaela Romo de Vivar had several children, most likely born in Rincon de Romos, which included Juan Villalpando. I have not found their marriage record.

Juan Villalpando married Refugio Gonzales, and had Bacilio, among others in the early 1800s. Tomas and Michaela are named in the baptismal records.

Bacilio Villalpando married Tomasa Martinez and Maria Librada Mendosa, and had children by both wives in the 1840-60 period. Juan and Refugio are named as grandparents in the baptismal records.

My question: who were the parents of Tomas de Villalpando and Michaela Romo de Vivar?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Bill Figueroa

12 years 9 months ago

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George,

Maria Micaela Romo de Vivar was buried 27 Mar 1815 in Rincon de Romos. Her burial record indicates that she was the daughter of José Romo de Vivar and María Martínez de Sotomayor [Libro 1 de Entierros, foja 18b] [Defunciones, 1811-1831 San José de Gracia, Rincón de Romos, Aguascalientes Image 15 / 63]

Al margen: "Rincon Da. Maria Micaela Romo de Vivar Española Adulta"

"En la Capilla del Rincón en veinte y siete de marzo de mil ochocientos y quince Yo el Br. Don Gordiano Alonzo como Ministro de ella y de licencia Parrochi di Sepultura Eclesiastica, adentro con Entierro humilde a Da. María Micaela Romo de Vivar, Española, de edad sesenta y dos años, casada que fue con D. Tomás Villalpando - hija legítima de D. José Romo de Vivar, y de Da. María Martínez de Sotomayor - murió de Hidropesia en esta hacienda - recibió los Sacramentos y para que conste lo firmamos. [ firma ] Joseph Eufrasio Carrillo [ firma ] Gordiano Alonzo de Hinojos

The parents of Thomas de Villalpando were Francisco Antonio de Villalpando and Petrona de la Candelaria Luévana Contreras.

BILL FIGUEROA

Bill

Thank you very much!

With your help, as well as Gloria Delgado's earlier response, I have added much to this family.

I have made some very substantial progress on identifying many of the descendants of Tomas de Villalpando of Leon, GTO and Aguascalients, AGS.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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gloriad648

12 years 9 months ago

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George, for Thomas Villalpando's marriage to Michaela Romo de Vibar see Aguascalientes, Asientos, Sra de Belen Mat 1767-1780, Image 25.

Don Thomas Ferrer de Villalpando, hijo lex de Don Francisco Antonio Villalpando y doña Petra de la Candelaria Luebana, difuntos by the date of this marriage, 12 Sep 1768.

Doña Maria Michaela Romo de Vibar, hija lex de Don Joseph Romo de Vibar y Doña Maria Martines de Zotomayor.

Gloria Delgado

I do not know if these are the same people but I have jose andres Romo de vivar married to MA. Margarita Martines de Soto. They were married on 7 Mar 1734. Jose andres is the son of Nicolas Romo de vivar and Mariana Villalobos Macias y Carillo de Sandi. If these are the same people let me know and I will provide the rest of their ancestors that I have in my records
Rick A Ricci
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George, for Thomas Villalpando's marriage to Michaela Romo de Vibar see Aguascalientes, Asientos, Sra de Belen Mat 1767-1780, Image 25.

Don Thomas Ferrer de Villalpando, hijo lex de Don Francisco Antonio Villalpando y doña Petra de la Candelaria Luebana, difuntos by the date of this marriage, 12 Sep 1768.

Doña Maria Michaela Romo de Vibar, hija lex de Don Joseph Romo de Vibar y Doña Maria Martines de Zotomayor.

Gloria Delgado

There is an Antonio Dionicio Villalpando Married to Barbara Gertrudis Romo de Vivar. Antonio is a brother to Tomas and it looks like Maria Micaela may be the sister of Barbara. M11Oct1752 Aguascalientes. It would be another case of brothers Marrying Sisters.
Rick A Ricci
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I do not know if these are the same people but I have jose andres Romo de vivar married to MA. Margarita Martines de Soto. They were married on 7 Mar 1734. Jose andres is the son of Nicolas Romo de vivar and Mariana Villalobos Macias y Carillo de Sandi. If these are the same people let me know and I will provide the rest of their ancestors that I have in my records
Rick A Ricci
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George, for Thomas Villalpando's marriage to Michaela Romo de Vibar see Aguascalientes, Asientos, Sra de Belen Mat 1767-1780, Image 25.

Don Thomas Ferrer de Villalpando, hijo lex de Don Francisco Antonio Villalpando y doña Petra de la Candelaria Luebana, difuntos by the date of this marriage, 12 Sep 1768.

Doña Maria Michaela Romo de Vibar, hija lex de Don Joseph Romo de Vibar y Doña Maria Martines de Zotomayor.

Gloria Delgado

I forgot to add that Francisco is the son of another Tomas de ViLlalpando and Maria Sotelo. Felipe Luevano and Leonor Contreras are the parents of Petrona de la Candelaria. Francisco M. 8jul1729 Aguas.
Rick A Ricci
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There is an Antonio Dionicio Villalpando Married to Barbara Gertrudis Romo de Vivar. Antonio is a brother to Tomas and it looks like Maria Micaela may be the sister of Barbara. M11Oct1752 Aguascalientes. It would be another case of brothers Marrying Sisters.
Rick A Ricci
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I do not know if these are the same people but I have jose andres Romo de vivar married to MA. Margarita Martines de Soto. They were married on 7 Mar 1734. Jose andres is the son of Nicolas Romo de vivar and Mariana Villalobos Macias y Carillo de Sandi. If these are the same people let me know and I will provide the rest of their ancestors that I have in my records
Rick A Ricci
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas VILLALPANDO and Maria Michaela ROMO DE
VIBAR

George, for Thomas Villalpando's marriage to Michaela Romo de Vibar see Aguascalientes, Asientos, Sra de Belen Mat 1767-1780, Image 25.

Don Thomas Ferrer de Villalpando, hijo lex de Don Francisco Antonio Villalpando y doña Petra de la Candelaria Luebana, difuntos by the date of this marriage, 12 Sep 1768.

Doña Maria Michaela Romo de Vibar, hija lex de Don Joseph Romo de Vibar y Doña Maria Martines de Zotomayor.

Gloria Delgado

I came across the Info Matrimonial for Antonio Dionicio de Villalpando and Barbara Gertrudis Romo de Vivar:

Asientos 23 Sept 1752

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SP3?cc=1502404&wc=M6Q… : 20 May 2014), Asientos > Nuestra Señora de Belén > Información matrimonial 1750-1754 > image 328 of 695; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

image 328
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-SP3?i=327&wc=M6QX…

his parents: Francisco Villalpando (difunto) and Petra Luebana de la Candelaria
age: 20
from: Tepezala

her parents: Don Andres Romo de Vivar and Maria de Sn. Juan Martines de Soto Mayor
age: 20
from: Rincon de los Romos

Regards
Denise

I found another daughter of Don Andres Romo de Vivar and Doña Maria de Sn. Juan Martines de Zotomayor (Sotomayor) :

Doña Maria Margarita Romo de Vivar.

She appears in the Informacion Matrimonial for her marriage to:

Don Marciano Sanchez (son of Don Joseph Sanchez and Doña Ysabel Serrano).

Asientos, 22 Feb. 1752
GS film 1410803
image 459

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DC33-S1R?cc=1502404&wc=M6Q… : 20 May 2014), Asientos > Nuestra Señora de Belén > Información matrimonial 1750-1754 > image 459 of 695; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

Regards
Denise
edit: ps - the testigos are a Serrano and a Romo de Vivar, each married to a woman last name Castorena, and the 3rd testigo is Don Andres Romo de Vivar, unmarried, son of Don Miguel Romo de Vivar and Doña Maria Martinez difuntos.

Rick,

There was a thread a while back that said that José Andrés Romo de Vivar
was the son of Nicolás Romo de Vivar and grandson of Pedro Romo de Vivar
and Lorenza de Tiscareño (alias Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza).
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17268 This Nicolás married María de
Villalobos the daughter of my ancestors Salvador de Villalobos Macías
Valadez and Francisca Martín del Campo y López de la Cruz, on 12 February
1684 in Aguascalientes. She was also known as María López de la Cruz which
was also the name of her maternal grandmother. Mariana Villalobos was the
daughter of Nicolás de Villalobos Macías Valadez and Teresa Carrillo de
Sandi and she married Nicolás Romo de Vivar the son of Diego Romo de Vivar
and Luisa de los Angeles on 14 January 1686 in Teocaltiche. The two
families of Nicolas Romo de Vivar and Maria de Villalobos and the Nicolas
Romo de Vivar and Mariana Villalobos was explained by Bill Figueroa in the
same thread I mentioned previously. In another thread I mentioned the proof
that Salvador de Villalobos Macías Valadez is the son of Tomás de
Villalobos y Pérez de Nava and Catarina Macías Valadez y Villegas. I later
found out part of the proof is also mentioned in the Villalobos Family
Group sheet submitted by Jaime Holcombe Isunza Batch F868339 source call
1396258

Saludos
Armando

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:12 AM, wrote:

> I do not know if these are the same people but I have jose andres Romo de
> vivar married to MA. Margarita Martines de Soto. They were married on 7
> Mar 1734. Jose andres is the son of Nicolas Romo de vivar and Mariana
> Villalobos Macias y Carillo de Sandi. If these are the same people let me
> know and I will provide the rest of their ancestors that I have in my
> records
> Rick A Ricci
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gloriad@jps.net
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:41:49
> To:
> Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas VILLALPANDO and Maria Michaela ROMO DE
> VIBAR
>
> George, for Thomas Villalpando's marriage to Michaela Romo de Vibar see
> Aguascalientes, Asientos, Sra de Belen Mat 1767-1780, Image 25.
>
> Don Thomas Ferrer de Villalpando, hijo lex de Don Francisco Antonio
> Villalpando y doña Petra de la Candelaria Luebana, difuntos by the date of
> this marriage, 12 Sep 1768.
>
> Doña Maria Michaela Romo de Vibar, hija lex de Don Joseph Romo de Vibar y
> Doña Maria Martines de Zotomayor.
>
> Gloria Delgado
>
>

I have Luisa as Luisa de los Reyes y Angeles.
Thanks, Rick
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Rick,

There was a thread a while back that said that José Andrés Romo de Vivar
was the son of Nicolás Romo de Vivar and grandson of Pedro Romo de Vivar
and Lorenza de Tiscareño (alias Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza).
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17268 This Nicolás married María de
Villalobos the daughter of my ancestors Salvador de Villalobos Macías
Valadez and Francisca Martín del Campo y López de la Cruz, on 12 February
1684 in Aguascalientes. She was also known as María López de la Cruz which
was also the name of her maternal grandmother. Mariana Villalobos was the
daughter of Nicolás de Villalobos Macías Valadez and Teresa Carrillo de
Sandi and she married Nicolás Romo de Vivar the son of Diego Romo de Vivar
and Luisa de los Angeles on 14 January 1686 in Teocaltiche. The two
families of Nicolas Romo de Vivar and Maria de Villalobos and the Nicolas
Romo de Vivar and Mariana Villalobos was explained by Bill Figueroa in the
same thread I mentioned previously. In another thread I mentioned the proof
that Salvador de Villalobos Macías Valadez is the son of Tomás de
Villalobos y Pérez de Nava and Catarina Macías Valadez y Villegas. I later
found out part of the proof is also mentioned in the Villalobos Family
Group sheet submitted by Jaime Holcombe Isunza Batch F868339 source call
1396258

Saludos
Armando

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:12 AM, wrote:

> I do not know if these are the same people but I have jose andres Romo de
> vivar married to MA. Margarita Martines de Soto. They were married on 7
> Mar 1734. Jose andres is the son of Nicolas Romo de vivar and Mariana
> Villalobos Macias y Carillo de Sandi. If these are the same people let me
> know and I will provide the rest of their ancestors that I have in my
> records
> Rick A Ricci
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gloriad@jps.net
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:41:49
> To:
> Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas VILLALPANDO and Maria Michaela ROMO DE
> VIBAR
>
> George, for Thomas Villalpando's marriage to Michaela Romo de Vibar see
> Aguascalientes, Asientos, Sra de Belen Mat 1767-1780, Image 25.
>
> Don Thomas Ferrer de Villalpando, hijo lex de Don Francisco Antonio
> Villalpando y doña Petra de la Candelaria Luebana, difuntos by the date of
> this marriage, 12 Sep 1768.
>
> Doña Maria Michaela Romo de Vibar, hija lex de Don Joseph Romo de Vibar y
> Doña Maria Martines de Zotomayor.
>
> Gloria Delgado
>
>

I do too. I shortened the name because it wasn't the focal point of my
message.

Armando

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:26 PM, wrote:

> I have Luisa as Luisa de los Reyes y Angeles.
> Thanks, Rick
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Armando
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:30:02
> To:
> Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas VILLALPANDO and Maria Michaela ROMO
> DE VIBAR
>
> Rick,
>
> There was a thread a while back that said that José Andrés Romo de Vivar
> was the son of Nicolás Romo de Vivar and grandson of Pedro Romo de Vivar
> and Lorenza de Tiscareño (alias Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza).
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17268 This Nicolás married María de
> Villalobos the daughter of my ancestors Salvador de Villalobos Macías
> Valadez and Francisca Martín del Campo y López de la Cruz, on 12 February
> 1684 in Aguascalientes. She was also known as María López de la Cruz which
> was also the name of her maternal grandmother. Mariana Villalobos was the
> daughter of Nicolás de Villalobos Macías Valadez and Teresa Carrillo de
> Sandi and she married Nicolás Romo de Vivar the son of Diego Romo de Vivar
> and Luisa de los Angeles on 14 January 1686 in Teocaltiche. The two
> families of Nicolas Romo de Vivar and Maria de Villalobos and the Nicolas
> Romo de Vivar and Mariana Villalobos was explained by Bill Figueroa in the
> same thread I mentioned previously. In another thread I mentioned the proof
> that Salvador de Villalobos Macías Valadez is the son of Tomás de
> Villalobos y Pérez de Nava and Catarina Macías Valadez y Villegas. I later
> found out part of the proof is also mentioned in the Villalobos Family
> Group sheet submitted by Jaime Holcombe Isunza Batch F868339 source call
> 1396258
>
> Saludos
> Armando
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:12 AM, wrote:
>
> > I do not know if these are the same people but I have jose andres Romo de
> > vivar married to MA. Margarita Martines de Soto. They were married on 7
> > Mar 1734. Jose andres is the son of Nicolas Romo de vivar and Mariana
> > Villalobos Macias y Carillo de Sandi. If these are the same people let me
> > know and I will provide the rest of their ancestors that I have in my
> > records
> > Rick A Ricci
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gloriad@jps.net
> > Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:41:49
> > To:
> > Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas VILLALPANDO and Maria Michaela ROMO DE
> > VIBAR
> >
> > George, for Thomas Villalpando's marriage to Michaela Romo de Vibar see
> > Aguascalientes, Asientos, Sra de Belen Mat 1767-1780, Image 25.
> >
> > Don Thomas Ferrer de Villalpando, hijo lex de Don Francisco Antonio
> > Villalpando y doña Petra de la Candelaria Luebana, difuntos by the date
> of
> > this marriage, 12 Sep 1768.
> >
> > Doña Maria Michaela Romo de Vibar, hija lex de Don Joseph Romo de Vibar y
> > Doña Maria Martines de Zotomayor.
> >
> > Gloria Delgado
> >
> >
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Thanks to all for the discussion!

The marriage records for the two Villalpandos have their brides:

Barbarba Gertrudis, d/o of Andres Romo de Vivar and Maria de San Juan Martines Sotomayor in 1752. (Asientos marriages, 1744/55, image 140).

Michaela, d/o Joseph Romo de Vivar and Maria Martines de Zotomayor in 1768. (Asientos marriages, 1767/80, image 25).

Thus Jose and Andres are actually the same person: Jose Andres Romo de Vivar? This is certainly suggested by the mother's names being essentially the same.

While I have seen variation in women's names moderately often, it is less common with the men.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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gpf13

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Michaela Romo de Vivar is the daughter of Jose Romo de Vivar, according to the dispensation of her son, Jose Lucas Villalpando, for his marriage to Gertrudis Romo de Vivar (the granddaughter this Jose Romo de Vivar). Jose's wife is not named.

I found this thanks to the work of Claudia Reynoso & her colleagues in the index of the Sagrada Mitra that they are compiling.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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