I agree with Armando. I have Victorian Ruiz Gonsales married to Maria
Ysabel Albares Duran, but I don't have their marriage record.
Alicia Carrillo, do you have their marriage certificate? Alicia has helped
me with this line and we have since collaborated on this marriage.
I know they were married before 1797 because one of their children, Jose
Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares was born on Jan 11, 1797. Unfortunately this
babtismal certificate most likely only lists his parents names as
grandparents are listed starting around the middle of 1797 if I'm not
mistake for Nochistlan babtisms.
You can look up the babtismal record up for Josef Manuel Candelario Ruiz
Albares, babtised Feb 24, 1799 which lists his parents and grandparents.
I hope this helps.
Saludos,
Juan Aguayo Munoz
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Armando wrote:
> Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children of
> Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
>
> > I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
> > Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
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Minor correction in my previous statement: Jose Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares
was BABTIZED on Jan 11, 1797 and after checking, yes his babtismal
certificate only lists his parents. Look up Josef Manuel Caldelario Ruiz
Albares, Feb. 24, 1799, which does include parents in grandparents.
-Juan
.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Juan Aguayo
wrote:
> Abram,
>
> I agree with Armando. I have Victorian Ruiz Gonsales married to Maria
> Ysabel Albares Duran, but I don't have their marriage record.
>
> Alicia Carrillo, do you have their marriage certificate? Alicia has helped
> me with this line and we have since collaborated on this marriage.
>
> I know they were married before 1797 because one of their children, Jose
> Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares was born on Jan 11, 1797. Unfortunately this
> babtismal certificate most likely only lists his parents names as
> grandparents are listed starting around the middle of 1797 if I'm not
> mistake for Nochistlan babtisms.
>
> You can look up the babtismal record up for Josef Manuel Candelario Ruiz
> Albares, babtised Feb 24, 1799 which lists his parents and grandparents.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Saludos,
> Juan Aguayo Munoz
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Armando wrote:
>
>> Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children
>> of
>> Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
>>
>> Armando
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
>>
>> > I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
>> > Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>> >
>> > To post, send email to:
>> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
>> >
>> > To change your subscription, log on to:
>> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>> >
This is what I have in my transcription of the document.
Film # 0226656, C606232, 1796-1799, Bautismos de Nochistlan, Volumen # 20, Image # 286, Page # 231, Item # 1,
En Esta Parroquia de Nochistlan en 24 de Febrero de 1799, Yo el Bachiller Don Juan Nepomuceno Baes, Bautice a Josef Manuel Candelario, Español, del Monte de los Duranes de esta feligresia que nacio el dia dos del mismo mes a la hora de las dos de la mañana, hijo legitimo de Victoriano Ruis y de Ysabel Alvares y nieto legitimo por parte paterna de Josef Antonio Ruiz y de Felipa Gonsales y parte materna es nieto legitimo de Josef Maria Macias y de Maria de la O Duran: Fueron sus padrinos Ysidro Muños y Victoriana Ruis, todos vecinos del mismo puesto. transcribedd on 9/5/2011
Alicia
________________________________
From: Juan Aguayo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz Help!!
Minor correction in my previous statement: Jose Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares
was BABTIZED on Jan 11, 1797 and after checking, yes his babtismal
certificate only lists his parents. Look up Josef Manuel Caldelario Ruiz
Albares, Feb. 24, 1799, which does include parents in grandparents.
-Juan
.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Juan Aguayo
wrote:
> Abram,
>
> I agree with Armando. I have Victorian Ruiz Gonsales married to Maria
> Ysabel Albares Duran, but I don't have their marriage record.
>
> Alicia Carrillo, do you have their marriage certificate? Alicia has helped
> me with this line and we have since collaborated on this marriage.
>
> I know they were married before 1797 because one of their children, Jose
> Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares was born on Jan 11, 1797. Unfortunately this
> babtismal certificate most likely only lists his parents names as
> grandparents are listed starting around the middle of 1797 if I'm not
> mistake for Nochistlan babtisms.
>
> You can look up the babtismal record up for Josef Manuel Candelario Ruiz
> Albares, babtised Feb 24, 1799 which lists his parents and grandparents.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Saludos,
> Juan Aguayo Munoz
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Armando wrote:
>
>> Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children
>> of
>> Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
>>
>> Armando
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
>>
>> > I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
>> > Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>> >
>> > To post, send email to:
>> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
>> >
>> > To change your subscription, log on to:
>> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>> >
Another important note is to notice in this babtismal record is
that Ysabel's last name is listed as Alvares, yet her father is listed as
Macias. This family often interchanged their last name between Macias and
Albares. If you study this family and their children, you will notice that
some were babtised with the Macias last name, yet others with the Albares.
This was one of my road blocks for over a year until I finally figured it
out. Hopefully this helps you down the line sometime.
Juan
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Hola Primo,
>
> This is what I have in my transcription of the document.
>
> Film # 0226656, C606232, 1796-1799, Bautismos de Nochistlan, Volumen # 20,
> Image # 286, Page # 231, Item # 1,
> En Esta Parroquia de Nochistlan en 24 de Febrero de 1799, Yo el Bachiller
> Don Juan Nepomuceno Baes, Bautice a Josef Manuel Candelario, Español, del
> Monte de los Duranes de esta feligresia que nacio el dia dos del mismo mes
> a la hora de las dos de la mañana, hijo legitimo de Victoriano Ruis y de
> Ysabel Alvares y nieto legitimo por parte paterna de Josef Antonio Ruiz y
> de Felipa Gonsales y parte materna es nieto legitimo de Josef Maria Macias
> y de Maria de la O Duran: Fueron sus padrinos Ysidro Muños y Victoriana
> Ruis, todos vecinos del mismo puesto. transcribedd on 9/5/2011
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Juan Aguayo
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz
> Help!!
>
> Minor correction in my previous statement: Jose Maria Aquilino Ruiz
> Albares
> was BABTIZED on Jan 11, 1797 and after checking, yes his babtismal
> certificate only lists his parents. Look up Josef Manuel Caldelario Ruiz
> Albares, Feb. 24, 1799, which does include parents in grandparents.
>
> -Juan
>
> .
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Juan Aguayo
> wrote:
>
> > Abram,
> >
> > I agree with Armando. I have Victorian Ruiz Gonsales married to Maria
> > Ysabel Albares Duran, but I don't have their marriage record.
> >
> > Alicia Carrillo, do you have their marriage certificate? Alicia has
> helped
> > me with this line and we have since collaborated on this marriage.
> >
> > I know they were married before 1797 because one of their children, Jose
> > Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares was born on Jan 11, 1797. Unfortunately this
> > babtismal certificate most likely only lists his parents names as
> > grandparents are listed starting around the middle of 1797 if I'm not
> > mistake for Nochistlan babtisms.
> >
> > You can look up the babtismal record up for Josef Manuel Candelario Ruiz
> > Albares, babtised Feb 24, 1799 which lists his parents and grandparents.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Juan Aguayo Munoz
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Armando wrote:
> >
> >> Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children
> >> of
> >> Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
> >>
> >> Armando
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
> >>
> >> > I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
> >> > Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
> >> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> >> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >> >
> >> > To post, send email to:
> >> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> >> >
> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> >> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org <
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/>
> >> >
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> >>
> >
> >
Victoriano Ruiz and Maria Ysabel Alvarez are my direct line, GGGGGgrandparents and you're correct in that they had 9 children that I know of, but I still haven't found their marriage record.
Alicia
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz Help!!
Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children of
Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
Armando
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
> I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
> Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
Abram Flores
You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
Abram Flores
You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
These are mailing lists, that is why you will always see the [Nuestros Ranchos] appear automatically in the Subject line. In order for the community to see which Nuestros Ranchos message you are replying to, you need to add to that Subject..
Also, if you are responding to Alicia's message, she is not a Sir she is a Ma'am, and a very nice lady that is very helpful to everyone here. "Are you blind" is not the kind of comment I would expect from anyone.
Also, Alicia signs her messages at the end, as I and all the other members do and sometimes you don't---all we see is "aflores" at the top. I had to address you that way since I didn't know who sent the message. With 300 members, it is hard to remember everyone's e-mail addresses and who they belong to.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: aflore2855@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:16:47 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> Abram Flores
> Are you blind sir the subject is right their it says {NUESTROS RANCHOS}?
Abram Flores
I am Completely sorry for my rudeness i am sort of new to this website i actually got banned for 1 month for something about the subject line and i never knew like what exactly to put in the subject line any help please.I am so sorry aswell to Alicia for calling her a sir i didn't realize her name was there right in front of my eyes i would always only look at her username but once again i am so sorry.
Abram Flores
I am completely sorry Alicia for talking to you in such a rude manner and you did not deserve that you are a very helpful person and nice.Im so sorry if you don't want to help anymore i understand.
I know you are young, but that should not excuse you on a large forum such as Nuestros Ranchos from learning the proper etiquette. What compelled me to be so abrupt with you was your constant demanding tone and the fact that you never have a subject line. It feels as if you are yelling.
Most people make a couple of requests but you are constantly demanding. So many wonderful people come to your aid, to help you, George Fulton, Armando, Juan Aguayo, Emilie, Linda and many more.
It's expected that you should do your own research and that by way of doing your own research, you learn more every day.There's value in doing your own work and I think we've all communicated that to you. There's also value in being grateful, if you show gratitude, people will be more inclined to give a lending hand. Many of us help each other, not always on line, quite often off line so as not to clog the forum with a message to everyone if we are being area specific.
We want to help you, we want you to learn and to grow and we want and hope to have you in the group for many years to come.
Abram Flores
I am completely sorry Alicia for talking to you in such a rude manner and you did not deserve that you are a very helpful person and nice.Im so sorry if you don't want to help anymore i understand.
The reason I asked is because most people sign their name at the end of their comments. When you write "Abram Flores" at the beginning of your comments it sounds like you're addressing your self. I just wanted to clarify......
There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
find and it has important info.
Armando
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:
> Abram Flores
> You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
Here's the extraction for their marriage. This was extracted before the records were digitized and on-line, therefore does not reflect the image# and page number.
El 9 de Mayo de 1821 en Nochistlan, Zac, se caso Jose Manuel Ruiz, español, del Monte de los Duranes, soltero, de edad de 20 años, hijo legitimo de Victoriano Ruiz y Maria Ysavel Alvares con Maria Francisca Muños, Españoles del mismo rancho, doncella de edad de 18 años, hija legitima de Antonio Muños y de Maria Rosalia Duran. Fueron sus padrinos, Juan Lopez y Ma de San Jose Sanchez, españoles, testigos, Anselmo Cantor, Yndio de este pueblo.
extracted on Dec 05, 2009
Alicia
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
find and it has important info.
Armando
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:
> Abram Flores
> You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
The marriage record is slightly different from what you wrote with a
possibly important difference being that it states José Manuel Ruiz was "de
edad de veinte y sinco años" and not 20 años. The other difference is
Alba-res is cut off making it seem as if Alba was the surname for those
that are not familiar with these records. I was trying to get Abram to get
used to looking up the actual record. Now that the records are online
whenever they can be looked up they should be looked up.
Armando
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Here's the extraction for their marriage. This was extracted before the
> records were digitized and on-line, therefore does not reflect the image#
> and page number.
>
>
> LDS Film # 0226729, Batch # M606268, 1807-1824, Matrimonios Iglesia
> Catolica,
>
> El 9 de Mayo de 1821 en Nochistlan, Zac, se caso Jose Manuel Ruiz,
> español, del Monte de los Duranes, soltero, de edad de 20 años, hijo
> legitimo de Victoriano Ruiz y Maria Ysavel Alvares con Maria Francisca
> Muños, Españoles del mismo rancho, doncella de edad de 18 años, hija
> legitima de Antonio Muños y de Maria Rosalia Duran. Fueron sus padrinos,
> Juan Lopez y Ma de San Jose Sanchez, españoles, testigos, Anselmo Cantor,
> Yndio de este pueblo.
> extracted on Dec 05, 2009
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
> doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
> records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
> Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
> for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
> find and it has important info.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:
>
> > Abram Flores
> > You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> > Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> > about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
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> >
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Thank you Armando for finding my mistakes. Back in 2009, I was still working and the only time I could make my entries was late at night. Many times I'll go back to my records and find my own mistakes, either typos or I couldn't correctly read the record.
Those are the notes I put in the notes section of each record I find and I'm sure there will be many more errors in many other records.
Alicia
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Manuel Ruiz y Francisca Muñoz
The marriage record is slightly different from what you wrote with a
possibly important difference being that it states José Manuel Ruiz was "de
edad de veinte y sinco años" and not 20 años. The other difference is
Alba-res is cut off making it seem as if Alba was the surname for those
that are not familiar with these records. I was trying to get Abram to get
used to looking up the actual record. Now that the records are online
whenever they can be looked up they should be looked up.
Armando
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Here's the extraction for their marriage. This was extracted before the
> records were digitized and on-line, therefore does not reflect the image#
> and page number.
>
>
> LDS Film # 0226729, Batch # M606268, 1807-1824, Matrimonios Iglesia
> Catolica,
>
> El 9 de Mayo de 1821 en Nochistlan, Zac, se caso Jose Manuel Ruiz,
> español, del Monte de los Duranes, soltero, de edad de 20 años, hijo
> legitimo de Victoriano Ruiz y Maria Ysavel Alvares con Maria Francisca
> Muños, Españoles del mismo rancho, doncella de edad de 18 años, hija
> legitima de Antonio Muños y de Maria Rosalia Duran. Fueron sus padrinos,
> Juan Lopez y Ma de San Jose Sanchez, españoles, testigos, Anselmo Cantor,
> Yndio de este pueblo.
> extracted on Dec 05, 2009
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
> doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
> records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
> Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
> for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
> find and it has important info.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:
>
> > Abram Flores
> > You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> > Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> > about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
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He was actually 22 when he married. He was born on 2 Feb, 1799.
Alicia
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Manuel Ruiz y Francisca Muñoz
The marriage record is slightly different from what you wrote with a
possibly important difference being that it states José Manuel Ruiz was "de
edad de veinte y sinco años" and not 20 años. The other difference is
Alba-res is cut off making it seem as if Alba was the surname for those
that are not familiar with these records. I was trying to get Abram to get
used to looking up the actual record. Now that the records are online
whenever they can be looked up they should be looked up.
Armando
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Here's the extraction for their marriage. This was extracted before the
> records were digitized and on-line, therefore does not reflect the image#
> and page number.
>
>
> LDS Film # 0226729, Batch # M606268, 1807-1824, Matrimonios Iglesia
> Catolica,
>
> El 9 de Mayo de 1821 en Nochistlan, Zac, se caso Jose Manuel Ruiz,
> español, del Monte de los Duranes, soltero, de edad de 20 años, hijo
> legitimo de Victoriano Ruiz y Maria Ysavel Alvares con Maria Francisca
> Muños, Españoles del mismo rancho, doncella de edad de 18 años, hija
> legitima de Antonio Muños y de Maria Rosalia Duran. Fueron sus padrinos,
> Juan Lopez y Ma de San Jose Sanchez, españoles, testigos, Anselmo Cantor,
> Yndio de este pueblo.
> extracted on Dec 05, 2009
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
> doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
> records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
> Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
> for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
> find and it has important info.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:
>
> > Abram Flores
> > You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> > Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> > about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
Abram Flores
Thank you so much for this help on finding the record and posting it on here i'm never going to trust those people on ancestry.com.I tried looking for the record several times and nothing but thanks again appreciate it alot.
I think I already have told you not to trust what you see on Ancestry because the novices using their trolling Family Tree Maker system to create trees on that site makes those novices think that someone has found their ancestors when only the name might be the same or similar. My trees there and on Rootsweb have been corrupted by people using that system to download, change, and then reload them as theirs even when I find they have no relation at all.
Trust only those people on Ancestry that you communicate with IF they share images of their documentation to prove relationships, etc. BE SURE TO MAKE ALL YOUR ANCESTRY TREES "PRIVATE" to prevent pirates from stealing your work.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:44:49 -0600
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
> doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
> records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
> Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
> for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
> find and it has important info.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:
>
> > Abram Flores
> > You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> > Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> > about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
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Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz Help!!
Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children of
Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
Armando
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
> I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
> Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz Help!!
Abram,
I agree with Armando. I have Victorian Ruiz Gonsales married to Maria
Ysabel Albares Duran, but I don't have their marriage record.
Alicia Carrillo, do you have their marriage certificate? Alicia has helped
me with this line and we have since collaborated on this marriage.
I know they were married before 1797 because one of their children, Jose
Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares was born on Jan 11, 1797. Unfortunately this
babtismal certificate most likely only lists his parents names as
grandparents are listed starting around the middle of 1797 if I'm not
mistake for Nochistlan babtisms.
You can look up the babtismal record up for Josef Manuel Candelario Ruiz
Albares, babtised Feb 24, 1799 which lists his parents and grandparents.
I hope this helps.
Saludos,
Juan Aguayo Munoz
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Armando wrote:
> Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children of
> Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
>
> > I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
> > Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
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Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz Help!!
Minor correction in my previous statement: Jose Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares
was BABTIZED on Jan 11, 1797 and after checking, yes his babtismal
certificate only lists his parents. Look up Josef Manuel Caldelario Ruiz
Albares, Feb. 24, 1799, which does include parents in grandparents.
-Juan
.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Juan Aguayo
wrote:
> Abram,
>
> I agree with Armando. I have Victorian Ruiz Gonsales married to Maria
> Ysabel Albares Duran, but I don't have their marriage record.
>
> Alicia Carrillo, do you have their marriage certificate? Alicia has helped
> me with this line and we have since collaborated on this marriage.
>
> I know they were married before 1797 because one of their children, Jose
> Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares was born on Jan 11, 1797. Unfortunately this
> babtismal certificate most likely only lists his parents names as
> grandparents are listed starting around the middle of 1797 if I'm not
> mistake for Nochistlan babtisms.
>
> You can look up the babtismal record up for Josef Manuel Candelario Ruiz
> Albares, babtised Feb 24, 1799 which lists his parents and grandparents.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Saludos,
> Juan Aguayo Munoz
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Armando wrote:
>
>> Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children
>> of
>> Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
>>
>> Armando
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
>>
>> > I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
>> > Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>> >
>> > To post, send email to:
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Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz Help!!
Hola Primo,
This is what I have in my transcription of the document.
Film # 0226656, C606232, 1796-1799, Bautismos de Nochistlan, Volumen # 20, Image # 286, Page # 231, Item # 1,
En Esta Parroquia de Nochistlan en 24 de Febrero de 1799, Yo el Bachiller Don Juan Nepomuceno Baes, Bautice a Josef Manuel Candelario, Español, del Monte de los Duranes de esta feligresia que nacio el dia dos del mismo mes a la hora de las dos de la mañana, hijo legitimo de Victoriano Ruis y de Ysabel Alvares y nieto legitimo por parte paterna de Josef Antonio Ruiz y de Felipa Gonsales y parte materna es nieto legitimo de Josef Maria Macias y de Maria de la O Duran: Fueron sus padrinos Ysidro Muños y Victoriana Ruis, todos vecinos del mismo puesto. transcribedd on 9/5/2011
Alicia
________________________________
From: Juan Aguayo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz Help!!
Minor correction in my previous statement: Jose Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares
was BABTIZED on Jan 11, 1797 and after checking, yes his babtismal
certificate only lists his parents. Look up Josef Manuel Caldelario Ruiz
Albares, Feb. 24, 1799, which does include parents in grandparents.
-Juan
.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Juan Aguayo
wrote:
> Abram,
>
> I agree with Armando. I have Victorian Ruiz Gonsales married to Maria
> Ysabel Albares Duran, but I don't have their marriage record.
>
> Alicia Carrillo, do you have their marriage certificate? Alicia has helped
> me with this line and we have since collaborated on this marriage.
>
> I know they were married before 1797 because one of their children, Jose
> Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares was born on Jan 11, 1797. Unfortunately this
> babtismal certificate most likely only lists his parents names as
> grandparents are listed starting around the middle of 1797 if I'm not
> mistake for Nochistlan babtisms.
>
> You can look up the babtismal record up for Josef Manuel Candelario Ruiz
> Albares, babtised Feb 24, 1799 which lists his parents and grandparents.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Saludos,
> Juan Aguayo Munoz
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Armando wrote:
>
>> Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children
>> of
>> Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
>>
>> Armando
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
>>
>> > I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
>> > Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>> >
>> > To post, send email to:
>> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
>> >
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>> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz Help!!
Abram,
Another important note is to notice in this babtismal record is
that Ysabel's last name is listed as Alvares, yet her father is listed as
Macias. This family often interchanged their last name between Macias and
Albares. If you study this family and their children, you will notice that
some were babtised with the Macias last name, yet others with the Albares.
This was one of my road blocks for over a year until I finally figured it
out. Hopefully this helps you down the line sometime.
Juan
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Hola Primo,
>
> This is what I have in my transcription of the document.
>
> Film # 0226656, C606232, 1796-1799, Bautismos de Nochistlan, Volumen # 20,
> Image # 286, Page # 231, Item # 1,
> En Esta Parroquia de Nochistlan en 24 de Febrero de 1799, Yo el Bachiller
> Don Juan Nepomuceno Baes, Bautice a Josef Manuel Candelario, Español, del
> Monte de los Duranes de esta feligresia que nacio el dia dos del mismo mes
> a la hora de las dos de la mañana, hijo legitimo de Victoriano Ruis y de
> Ysabel Alvares y nieto legitimo por parte paterna de Josef Antonio Ruiz y
> de Felipa Gonsales y parte materna es nieto legitimo de Josef Maria Macias
> y de Maria de la O Duran: Fueron sus padrinos Ysidro Muños y Victoriana
> Ruis, todos vecinos del mismo puesto. transcribedd on 9/5/2011
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Juan Aguayo
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz
> Help!!
>
> Minor correction in my previous statement: Jose Maria Aquilino Ruiz
> Albares
> was BABTIZED on Jan 11, 1797 and after checking, yes his babtismal
> certificate only lists his parents. Look up Josef Manuel Caldelario Ruiz
> Albares, Feb. 24, 1799, which does include parents in grandparents.
>
> -Juan
>
> .
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Juan Aguayo
> wrote:
>
> > Abram,
> >
> > I agree with Armando. I have Victorian Ruiz Gonsales married to Maria
> > Ysabel Albares Duran, but I don't have their marriage record.
> >
> > Alicia Carrillo, do you have their marriage certificate? Alicia has
> helped
> > me with this line and we have since collaborated on this marriage.
> >
> > I know they were married before 1797 because one of their children, Jose
> > Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares was born on Jan 11, 1797. Unfortunately this
> > babtismal certificate most likely only lists his parents names as
> > grandparents are listed starting around the middle of 1797 if I'm not
> > mistake for Nochistlan babtisms.
> >
> > You can look up the babtismal record up for Josef Manuel Candelario Ruiz
> > Albares, babtised Feb 24, 1799 which lists his parents and grandparents.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Juan Aguayo Munoz
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Armando wrote:
> >
> >> Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children
> >> of
> >> Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
> >>
> >> Armando
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
> >>
> >> > I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
> >> > Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
> >> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> >> >
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> >> >
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> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/>
> >> >
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Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz Help!!
Victoriano Ruiz and Maria Ysabel Alvarez are my direct line, GGGGGgrandparents and you're correct in that they had 9 children that I know of, but I still haven't found their marriage record.
Alicia
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz Help!!
Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children of
Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
Armando
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
> I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
> Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
[Nuestros Ranchos]
Abram Flores
You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
(no subject)
Abram Flores,
Are you aflore2855?
----- Original Message -----
From: aflore2855@gmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:20:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
Abram Flores
You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
[Nuestros Ranchos]
Abram Flores
Yes i am aflore2855 why?
(no subject)
Abram,
Why do you always send out a message without a subject line?
Alicia
________________________________
From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 7:37 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
Abram Flores
Yes i am aflore2855 why?
(no subject)
Abram Flores
Are you blind sir the subject is right their it says {NUESTROS RANCHOS}?
To Abram
Abram----
These are mailing lists, that is why you will always see the [Nuestros Ranchos] appear automatically in the Subject line. In order for the community to see which Nuestros Ranchos message you are replying to, you need to add to that Subject..
Also, if you are responding to Alicia's message, she is not a Sir she is a Ma'am, and a very nice lady that is very helpful to everyone here. "Are you blind" is not the kind of comment I would expect from anyone.
Also, Alicia signs her messages at the end, as I and all the other members do and sometimes you don't---all we see is "aflores" at the top. I had to address you that way since I didn't know who sent the message. With 300 members, it is hard to remember everyone's e-mail addresses and who they belong to.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: aflore2855@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:16:47 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> Abram Flores
> Are you blind sir the subject is right their it says {NUESTROS RANCHOS}?
To Emilie
Abram Flores
I am Completely sorry for my rudeness i am sort of new to this website i actually got banned for 1 month for something about the subject line and i never knew like what exactly to put in the subject line any help please.I am so sorry aswell to Alicia for calling her a sir i didn't realize her name was there right in front of my eyes i would always only look at her username but once again i am so sorry.
To Alicia
Abram Flores
I am completely sorry Alicia for talking to you in such a rude manner and you did not deserve that you are a very helpful person and nice.Im so sorry if you don't want to help anymore i understand.
Abram Flores...
Proper Etiquette
Abram,
I know you are young, but that should not excuse you on a large forum such as Nuestros Ranchos from learning the proper etiquette. What compelled me to be so abrupt with you was your constant demanding tone and the fact that you never have a subject line. It feels as if you are yelling.
Most people make a couple of requests but you are constantly demanding. So many wonderful people come to your aid, to help you, George Fulton, Armando, Juan Aguayo, Emilie, Linda and many more.
It's expected that you should do your own research and that by way of doing your own research, you learn more every day.There's value in doing your own work and I think we've all communicated that to you. There's also value in being grateful, if you show gratitude, people will be more inclined to give a lending hand. Many of us help each other, not always on line, quite often off line so as not to clog the forum with a message to everyone if we are being area specific.
We want to help you, we want you to learn and to grow and we want and hope to have you in the group for many years to come.
Apology accepted!
Alicia
________________________________
From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] To Alicia
Abram Flores
I am completely sorry Alicia for talking to you in such a rude manner and you did not deserve that you are a very helpful person and nice.Im so sorry if you don't want to help anymore i understand.
Abram Flores...
(no subject)
Abram,
The reason I asked is because most people sign their name at the end of their comments. When you write "Abram Flores" at the beginning of your comments it sounds like you're addressing your self. I just wanted to clarify......
Ruben Hernandez Flores
----- Original Message -----
From: aflore2855@gmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 7:37:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
Abram Flores
Yes i am aflore2855 why?
(no subject)
There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
find and it has important info.
Armando
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:
> Abram Flores
> You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
Manuel Ruiz y Francisca Muñoz
Here's the extraction for their marriage. This was extracted before the records were digitized and on-line, therefore does not reflect the image# and page number.
LDS Film # 0226729, Batch # M606268, 1807-1824, Matrimonios Iglesia Catolica,
El 9 de Mayo de 1821 en Nochistlan, Zac, se caso Jose Manuel Ruiz, español, del Monte de los Duranes, soltero, de edad de 20 años, hijo legitimo de Victoriano Ruiz y Maria Ysavel Alvares con Maria Francisca Muños, Españoles del mismo rancho, doncella de edad de 18 años, hija legitima de Antonio Muños y de Maria Rosalia Duran. Fueron sus padrinos, Juan Lopez y Ma de San Jose Sanchez, españoles, testigos, Anselmo Cantor, Yndio de este pueblo.
extracted on Dec 05, 2009
Alicia
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
find and it has important info.
Armando
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:
> Abram Flores
> You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
Manuel Ruiz y Francisca Muñoz
The marriage record is slightly different from what you wrote with a
possibly important difference being that it states José Manuel Ruiz was "de
edad de veinte y sinco años" and not 20 años. The other difference is
Alba-res is cut off making it seem as if Alba was the surname for those
that are not familiar with these records. I was trying to get Abram to get
used to looking up the actual record. Now that the records are online
whenever they can be looked up they should be looked up.
Armando
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Here's the extraction for their marriage. This was extracted before the
> records were digitized and on-line, therefore does not reflect the image#
> and page number.
>
>
> LDS Film # 0226729, Batch # M606268, 1807-1824, Matrimonios Iglesia
> Catolica,
>
> El 9 de Mayo de 1821 en Nochistlan, Zac, se caso Jose Manuel Ruiz,
> español, del Monte de los Duranes, soltero, de edad de 20 años, hijo
> legitimo de Victoriano Ruiz y Maria Ysavel Alvares con Maria Francisca
> Muños, Españoles del mismo rancho, doncella de edad de 18 años, hija
> legitima de Antonio Muños y de Maria Rosalia Duran. Fueron sus padrinos,
> Juan Lopez y Ma de San Jose Sanchez, españoles, testigos, Anselmo Cantor,
> Yndio de este pueblo.
> extracted on Dec 05, 2009
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
> doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
> records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
> Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
> for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
> find and it has important info.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:
>
> > Abram Flores
> > You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> > Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> > about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
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Manuel Ruiz y Francisca Muñoz
Thank you Armando for finding my mistakes. Back in 2009, I was still working and the only time I could make my entries was late at night. Many times I'll go back to my records and find my own mistakes, either typos or I couldn't correctly read the record.
Those are the notes I put in the notes section of each record I find and I'm sure there will be many more errors in many other records.
Alicia
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Manuel Ruiz y Francisca Muñoz
The marriage record is slightly different from what you wrote with a
possibly important difference being that it states José Manuel Ruiz was "de
edad de veinte y sinco años" and not 20 años. The other difference is
Alba-res is cut off making it seem as if Alba was the surname for those
that are not familiar with these records. I was trying to get Abram to get
used to looking up the actual record. Now that the records are online
whenever they can be looked up they should be looked up.
Armando
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Here's the extraction for their marriage. This was extracted before the
> records were digitized and on-line, therefore does not reflect the image#
> and page number.
>
>
> LDS Film # 0226729, Batch # M606268, 1807-1824, Matrimonios Iglesia
> Catolica,
>
> El 9 de Mayo de 1821 en Nochistlan, Zac, se caso Jose Manuel Ruiz,
> español, del Monte de los Duranes, soltero, de edad de 20 años, hijo
> legitimo de Victoriano Ruiz y Maria Ysavel Alvares con Maria Francisca
> Muños, Españoles del mismo rancho, doncella de edad de 18 años, hija
> legitima de Antonio Muños y de Maria Rosalia Duran. Fueron sus padrinos,
> Juan Lopez y Ma de San Jose Sanchez, españoles, testigos, Anselmo Cantor,
> Yndio de este pueblo.
> extracted on Dec 05, 2009
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
> doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
> records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
> Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
> for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
> find and it has important info.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:
>
> > Abram Flores
> > You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> > Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> > about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> >
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> >
Manuel Ruiz y Francisca Muñoz
PS,
He was actually 22 when he married. He was born on 2 Feb, 1799.
Alicia
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Manuel Ruiz y Francisca Muñoz
The marriage record is slightly different from what you wrote with a
possibly important difference being that it states José Manuel Ruiz was "de
edad de veinte y sinco años" and not 20 años. The other difference is
Alba-res is cut off making it seem as if Alba was the surname for those
that are not familiar with these records. I was trying to get Abram to get
used to looking up the actual record. Now that the records are online
whenever they can be looked up they should be looked up.
Armando
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Here's the extraction for their marriage. This was extracted before the
> records were digitized and on-line, therefore does not reflect the image#
> and page number.
>
>
> LDS Film # 0226729, Batch # M606268, 1807-1824, Matrimonios Iglesia
> Catolica,
>
> El 9 de Mayo de 1821 en Nochistlan, Zac, se caso Jose Manuel Ruiz,
> español, del Monte de los Duranes, soltero, de edad de 20 años, hijo
> legitimo de Victoriano Ruiz y Maria Ysavel Alvares con Maria Francisca
> Muños, Españoles del mismo rancho, doncella de edad de 18 años, hija
> legitima de Antonio Muños y de Maria Rosalia Duran. Fueron sus padrinos,
> Juan Lopez y Ma de San Jose Sanchez, españoles, testigos, Anselmo Cantor,
> Yndio de este pueblo.
> extracted on Dec 05, 2009
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
> doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
> records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
> Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
> for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
> find and it has important info.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:
>
> > Abram Flores
> > You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> > Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> > about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
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Manuel Ruiz y Francisca Muñoz
Abram Flores
Thank you so much for this help on finding the record and posting it on here i'm never going to trust those people on ancestry.com.I tried looking for the record several times and nothing but thanks again appreciate it alot.
(no subject) to Abram
Exactly, Abram,
I think I already have told you not to trust what you see on Ancestry because the novices using their trolling Family Tree Maker system to create trees on that site makes those novices think that someone has found their ancestors when only the name might be the same or similar. My trees there and on Rootsweb have been corrupted by people using that system to download, change, and then reload them as theirs even when I find they have no relation at all.
Trust only those people on Ancestry that you communicate with IF they share images of their documentation to prove relationships, etc. BE SURE TO MAKE ALL YOUR ANCESTRY TREES "PRIVATE" to prevent pirates from stealing your work.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:44:49 -0600
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)
>
> There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
> doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
> records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
> Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
> for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
> find and it has important info.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:
>
> > Abram Flores
> > You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> > Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> > about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
[Nuestros Ranchos]
Abram Flores
No i got that info from familysearch.org.Can you send me a link to their marriage record if you have it?