Im trying to look for a record on Familysearch.com.And their is a major problem so i click on Mexico Catholic Church Record, then i click on the state which in this case is Zacatecas then i have to click the name of the city or town and which in this case is Nochistlan.And the problem is that Nochistlan is not their can someone please help me?
Family Search??
Abram,
They did some work on the site last night so it looks different. When you get to Zacatecas, scroll down on the blue arrow at the right and Nochistlan will be there.
Good Luck!!
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search??
Im trying to look for a record on Familysearch.com.And their is a major problem so i click on Mexico Catholic Church Record, then i click on the state which in this case is Zacatecas then i have to click the name of the city or town and which in this case is Nochistlan.And the problem is that Nochistlan is not their can someone please help me? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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I have a problem with the marriage date of Jose Juachin Gutierrez de Laris with Juana Gallo January 30, 1782
parents: Antonio Gutierres De Laris,? Cathalina Ramires
spouse: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
groom's name: Jose Juachin Gutierres De Laris
bride's name: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
marriage date: 30 Jan 1782
marriage place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico
groom's father's name: Anttonio Gutierres De Laris
groom's mother's name: Cathalina Ramires
bride's father's name: Salbador Gallo
bride's mother's name: Gertrudis Masias Balades
indexing project (batch) number: M60322-7
Family search has the date on the search and I cannot find it once I look at the Marriage on Browse. Does anyone have this research.
This info may conflict with Retonos de Espana.
I can confirm the marriage from the marriage of their son Jose Ignacio Gutierrez with Antonia Martin del Campo February 13, 1809.in San Juan de los Lagoss.
Miguel Gutierrez
need help
I have Antonio Abad Gutierrez de Laris y Martin del Campo and Catarina
Ramirez de Hermosillo y Reynoso as the parents, married 23 Jan 1741.
Rick
need help
Thanks Rick, I also have the parents info and the following ancestors. I just wanted to confirm the Marriage Date as stated by Family Search
> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:48:59 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] need help
>
> I have Antonio Abad Gutierrez de Laris y Martin del Campo and Catarina
> Ramirez de Hermosillo y Reynoso as the parents, married 23 Jan 1741.
>
> Rick
>
need help
Adrián Márquez Padilla
Con Relación al matrimonio de los padres de Jose Joachin Gutierrez de Laris, efectivamente se casaron un 23 de enero pero del año 1740 segue el libro de Matrimonios 1707-1748 en nuestra Señora de la Asuncion en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
Resumen del Matrimonio:
Antonio Abad Gutiérrez de Laris, hijo de Joseph Juachin Gutiérrez de Laris y Cecilia Martin del Campo, residente de el rancho El Saltillo, contrajo matrimonio con Catharina Ramirez de Hermosillo, hija de Juan Ramirez de Hermosillo y Rosa Reynoso y Renteria el dia 23 de enero de 1740,
***Ese mismo día se caso Joseph Anastacio Gutierrez de Laris (hermano) con Paula Ramirez de Hermosillo, hermana de Catharina.....
Fueron Padrinos de Antonio y Catharina, Jacinto Gutierrez y Rosa Maria de Hermosillo.... Testigos: Fulgencio Gutierrez de Laris, Joseph Gabriel Gutierrez y Joachin Gutierrez...
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-291-72?cc=1874591&wc=1…
Imagen 442
need help
That will almost definitely be found in the volume Matrimonios 1780-1791.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45939-11?cc=1874591&wc…
Armando
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Miggy GUTIERREZ wrote:
>
>
> I have a problem with the marriage date of Jose Juachin Gutierrez de Laris
> with Juana Gallo January 30, 1782
>
> parents: Antonio Gutierres De Laris,? Cathalina Ramires
> spouse: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
>
> groom's name: Jose Juachin Gutierres De Laris
> bride's name: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
> marriage date: 30 Jan 1782
> marriage place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco,
> Mexico
> groom's father's name: Anttonio Gutierres De Laris
> groom's mother's name: Cathalina Ramires
> bride's father's name: Salbador Gallo
> bride's mother's name: Gertrudis Masias Balades
> indexing project (batch) number: M60322-7
>
>
> Family search has the date on the search and I cannot find it once I look
> at the Marriage on Browse. Does anyone have this research.
> This info may conflict with Retonos de Espana.
>
> I can confirm the marriage from the marriage of their son Jose Ignacio
> Gutierrez with Antonia Martin del Campo February 13, 1809.in San Juan de
> los Lagoss.
>
> Miguel Gutierrez
>
need help
Adrián Márquez Padilla
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45939-11?cc=1874591&wc…
En la direccion proporcionada amablemente por Armando y en la imagen 56 se encuentra el acta.
Xalostitlan
D. Jose Joachin Gutierrez de Laris,
con Doña Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
Todos Españoles
Velados
En la Iglesia Parroquial de Xalostitlan a treinta de enero de Mil Setecientos Ochenta y Dos. Yo el Presbitero Don Jose Maria de Asedo Cura Interino Case y Vele infacie Eclecie por palabras de presente que hacen verdaderos matrimonios a Don. Jose Joachin Gutierres de Laris Español originario y vecino de esta feligresia hijo legitimo de Don Antonio Gutierres De Laris difunto y de Doña Cathalina Ramires de Hermosillo, con Doña Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo, Española originaria y vecina de esta feligresia en el puesto de la parada, hija legitima de Don Salvador Gallo y de Doña Gertrudis Masias Balades (difunta) habiendo precedido antes la información de libertad y soltura de matrimonio y las tres proclamas prevenidas por el Santo Concilio de trento en tres dias festivos inter Misarium Solemnia que lo fueron, martes primero de enero dia de la circuncisión de el Sr., Domingo seis, Domingo trece de Enero, en cuya virtud se casaron y velaron ante mi, y testigos que lo fueron Juachin Rubio Sachristan y Don Jose Lucas el fiscal, y los padrinos Don Jose Santiago Gutierrez Y Doña Juana Theresa Gutierrez y para que conste lo firme con el Sr. Cura. (Rubrica) B. Jose Maria de Azeda…
También puedes encontrar su informacion matrimonial en la siguiente direccion:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18448-41517-48?cc=1874591&wc…
Imagen 5 y 6.
need help
Thanks Armando but I already looked in the referred location but it is not there. I was hoping someone may have tripped into the right place by mistake.
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:21:19 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] need help
>
> That will almost definitely be found in the volume Matrimonios 1780-1791.
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45939-11?cc=1874591&wc…
>
> Armando
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Miggy GUTIERREZ wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I have a problem with the marriage date of Jose Juachin Gutierrez de Laris
> > with Juana Gallo January 30, 1782
> >
> > parents: Antonio Gutierres De Laris,? Cathalina Ramires
> > spouse: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
> >
> > groom's name: Jose Juachin Gutierres De Laris
> > bride's name: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
> > marriage date: 30 Jan 1782
> > marriage place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco,
> > Mexico
> > groom's father's name: Anttonio Gutierres De Laris
> > groom's mother's name: Cathalina Ramires
> > bride's father's name: Salbador Gallo
> > bride's mother's name: Gertrudis Masias Balades
> > indexing project (batch) number: M60322-7
> >
> >
> > Family search has the date on the search and I cannot find it once I look
> > at the Marriage on Browse. Does anyone have this research.
> > This info may conflict with Retonos de Espana.
> >
> > I can confirm the marriage from the marriage of their son Jose Ignacio
> > Gutierrez with Antonia Martin del Campo February 13, 1809.in San Juan de
> > los Lagoss.
> >
> > Miguel Gutierrez
> >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> >
> > To post, send email to:
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need help
Miggy,
Adrián Márquez Padilla had provided the image number where the marriage is
found before your last response. In hundreds and maybe even a thousand
records I have searched for based on record that shows up on search and
provides a film number I have always found the record in that same film.
There has never been a mistake in that regard. What has to be done at times
is search the whole volume page by page because the record can be out of
order. I've tried to point this out in multiple posts. I had given you the
link to the volume to provoke you into searching it again because it there
and Adrián found it for you.
Here is what Adrián Márquez Padilla said. Let me know if you need a
tranlation.
"*
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45939-11?cc=1874591&wc…
En la direccion proporcionada amablemente por Armando y en la imagen 56 se
encuentra el acta.
Xalostitlan* *
D. Jose Joachin Gutierrez de Laris, con Doña Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
Todos Españoles
Velados
En la Iglesia Parroquial de Xalostitlan a treinta de enero de Mil
Setecientos Ochenta y Dos. Yo el Presbitero Don Jose Maria de Asedo Cura
Interino Case y Vele infacie Eclecie por palabras de presente que hacen
verdaderos matrimonios a Don. Jose Joachin Gutierres de Laris Español
originario y vecino de esta feligresia hijo legitimo de Don Antonio
Gutierres De Laris difunto y de Doña Cathalina Ramires de Hermosillo, con
Doña Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo, Española originaria y vecina de esta
feligresia en el puesto de la parada, hija legitima de Don Salvador Gallo y
de Doña Gertrudis Masias Balades (difunta) habiendo precedido antes la
información de libertad y soltura de matrimonio y las tres proclamas
prevenidas por el Santo Concilio de trento en tres dias festivos inter
Misarium Solemnia que lo fueron, martes primero de enero dia de la
circuncisión de el Sr., Domingo seis, Domingo trece de Enero, en cuya
virtud se casaron y velaron ante mi, y testigos que lo fueron Jua* *
chin Rubio Sachristan y Don Jose Lucas el fiscal, y los padrinos Don Jose
Santiago Gutierrez Y Doña Juana Theresa Gutierrez y para que conste lo
firme con el Sr. Cura. (Rubrica) B. Jose Maria de Azeda…
También puedes encontrar su informacion matrimonial en la siguiente
direccion:* *
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18448-41517-48?cc=1874591&wc…
* *
Imagen 5 y 6.*"
Saludos
Armando
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Miggy GUTIERREZ wrote:
>
> Thanks Armando but I already looked in the referred location but it is not
> there. I was hoping someone may have tripped into the right place by
> mistake.
>
> > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:21:19 -0500
> > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] need help
> >
> > That will almost definitely be found in the volume Matrimonios 1780-1791.
> >
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45939-11?cc=1874591&wc…
> >
> > Armando
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Miggy GUTIERREZ >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a problem with the marriage date of Jose Juachin Gutierrez de
> Laris
> > > with Juana Gallo January 30, 1782
> > >
> > > parents: Antonio Gutierres De Laris,? Cathalina Ramires
> > > spouse: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
> > >
> > > groom's name: Jose Juachin Gutierres De Laris
> > > bride's name: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
> > > marriage date: 30 Jan 1782
> > > marriage place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion, Jalostotitlan,
> Jalisco,
> > > Mexico
> > > groom's father's name: Anttonio Gutierres De Laris
> > > groom's mother's name: Cathalina Ramires
> > > bride's father's name: Salbador Gallo
> > > bride's mother's name: Gertrudis Masias Balades
> > > indexing project (batch) number: M60322-7
> > >
> > >
> > > Family search has the date on the search and I cannot find it once I
> look
> > > at the Marriage on Browse. Does anyone have this research.
> > > This info may conflict with Retonos de Espana.
> > >
> > > I can confirm the marriage from the marriage of their son Jose Ignacio
> > > Gutierrez with Antonia Martin del Campo February 13, 1809.in San
> Juan de
> > > los Lagoss.
> > >
> > > Miguel Gutierrez
> > >
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
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> > >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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>
Family Search Problems??
Im still having problems with family search im trying to look for image records in CIENEGA DE MATA,OJUELOS,JALISCO,MEXICO.So i clicked on Jalisco and only a few cities showed up help please?
Family Search Problems??
Abram,
They are all there, the problem you're having is that it looks different from what it used to be. They made some changes and the page looks different. Slow down and take the time to look carefully. Here's the link. https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.famil…
________________________________
From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:57 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search Problems??
Im still having problems with family search im trying to look for image records in CIENEGA DE MATA,OJUELOS,JALISCO,MEXICO.So i clicked on Jalisco and only a few cities showed up help please?
Family Search.
Alicia
Thanks again so much.They should of left the website how it was now it's very confusing.
Abram
Family Search Problems??
Abram and Alicia,
It has nothing to do with site changes or with Abram taking his time. It
has to do with experience and knowledge of how they started putting the
images online with Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and a few others in one
collection then adding most of the rest of Mexico in separate areas.
The original images are under Mexico, Catholic Church Records found at -
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.f…
Then they started to create a separate location based on state and type of
record Church for one and Civil for the other. These and the previous one
mentioned are both found under the Mexico found at -
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=MEXICO
They should have moved the Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, etc collections so
they could be found where the Jalisco, Michoacán, and Guanajuato images are
located.
Saludos
Armando
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Abram,
>
> They are all there, the problem you're having is that it looks different
> from what it used to be. They made some changes and the page looks
> different. Slow down and take the time to look carefully. Here's the link.
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.famil…
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:57 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search Problems??
>
>
>
> Im still having problems with family search im trying to look for image
> records in CIENEGA DE MATA,OJUELOS,JALISCO,MEXICO.So i clicked on Jalisco
> and only a few cities showed up help please?
Family Search Problems??
Armando
I see, but in my opinion it was a lot better how it was before.Another thing i need help on im searching for a individual named Barbara Delgadillo Gil in family search it said that she was baptized on 15 Nov 1711 so i look up the record image which is on Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.After that i click on one of the dates Bautismos 1639-1711 and nothing it actually goes up to May of 1711.Then i click to another date Bautismos 1708-1722 and nothing it stop like around July 1711 and after that it skips 4 whole years?Here is the link down below if anyone wants to help
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J93R-VMB
Family Search Problems??
I don't like the way it was before or the way it is now. It could have been
done without scroll bars, vertical or horizontal. However, neither format
had anything with you not being able to find the Jalisco images.
As far as the baptismal record you are looking for it is in film number
634015. It will definitely be in that film, without a doubt. You will have
to jump around to find it.
Armando
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 6:01 PM, wrote:
> Armando
>
>
> I see, but in my opinion it was a lot better how it was before.Another
> thing i need help on im searching for a individual named Barbara Delgadillo
> Gil in family search it said that she was baptized on 15 Nov 1711 so i look
> up the record image which is on Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche,
> Jalisco, Mexico.After that i click on one of the dates Bautismos 1639-1711
> and nothing it actually goes up to May of 1711.Then i click to another date
> Bautismos 1708-1722 and nothing it stop like around July 1711 and after
> that it skips 4 whole years?Here is the link down below if anyone wants to
> help
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.1.1/J93R-VMB
>
Family Search Problems??
Abram,
We need to learn to use what's available. In my opinion just having it available on line is wonderful.
Before December of 2010 in order to look at films, you had to go to your local family history center and order your film. You paid a fee for each roll of film and then you waited 5-6 weeks for your film to come to your local family history center from Salt Lake. You would go to your local FHC and view the film on microfilm readers. When you found a record you wanted, you had to pay a fee for every copy. I remember paying up to 25 cents per photocopy. Depending on your local FHC they were open 2 to 3 days a week and if the hours didn't work for you, tough. The film could only be viewed at the one local FHC, you couldn't take it to a different one that had better research hours and there were times when you'd order some film and it sat for the 3-4 weeks alloted time and pouf, that time passed and maybe you'd had time to view it once or twice. If you wanted it to remain longer at your FHC, you had to pay another fee to extend it for another 4 weeks.
So you see it's available on-line, 24/7, you just have to be patient, do the work, seek all options and be smart about searching the archives.
Alicia
________________________________
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To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 4:01 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search Problems??
Armando
I see, but in my opinion it was a lot better how it was before.Another thing i need help on im searching for a individual named Barbara Delgadillo Gil in family search it said that she was baptized on 15 Nov 1711 so i look up the record image which is on Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.After that i click on one of the dates Bautismos 1639-1711 and nothing it actually goes up to May of 1711.Then i click to another date Bautismos 1708-1722 and nothing it stop like around July 1711 and after that it skips 4 whole years?Here is the link down below if anyone wants to help
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J93R-VMB
Family Search Problems??
I agree. The current way is much better.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 1, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Abram,
>
> We need to learn to use what's available. In my opinion just having it available on line is wonderful.
>
>
> Before December of 2010 in order to look at films, you had to go to your local family history center and order your film. You paid a fee for each roll of film and then you waited 5-6 weeks for your film to come to your local family history center from Salt Lake. You would go to your local FHC and view the film on microfilm readers. When you found a record you wanted, you had to pay a fee for every copy. I remember paying up to 25 cents per photocopy. Depending on your local FHC they were open 2 to 3 days a week and if the hours didn't work for you, tough. The film could only be viewed at the one local FHC, you couldn't take it to a different one that had better research hours and there were times when you'd order some film and it sat for the 3-4 weeks alloted time and pouf, that time passed and maybe you'd had time to view it once or twice. If you wanted it to remain longer at your FHC, you had to pay another fee to extend it for another 4 weeks.
>
> So you see it's available on-line, 24/7, you just have to be patient, do the work, seek all options and be smart about searching the archives.
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 4:01 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search Problems??
>
> Armando
>
>
> I see, but in my opinion it was a lot better how it was before.Another thing i need help on im searching for a individual named Barbara Delgadillo Gil in family search it said that she was baptized on 15 Nov 1711 so i look up the record image which is on Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.After that i click on one of the dates Bautismos 1639-1711 and nothing it actually goes up to May of 1711.Then i click to another date Bautismos 1708-1722 and nothing it stop like around July 1711 and after that it skips 4 whole years?Here is the link down below if anyone wants to help
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J93R-VMB
Family Search Problems??
Abram,
It's possible that you are not using the slide bar on the right side of the page...slide it downward to view all the listings...
Pat
----- Original Message -----
need help- Thank You
Thank you Adrian and Armando. I followed your directions.. I lost my lead on page 90 with the date discussed, and I assumed there were lost pages out of order and when I first read your instruction I assumed I was lead to the general film.
You are great.
Hope I can return the Favor.
It seems that retoños may have missed this son or transferred the name in tomo 5 page 55 Jose Santiago born Dec 13, 1758 married to Juana Gertrudis Perez Gallo on January 30, 1782; As we just confirmed the name was Jose Juachin married to Juana Gertrudis Perez Gallo the same day .
Miggy
> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 07:04:02 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] need help
>
> Miggy,
>
> Adrián Márquez Padilla had provided the image number where the marriage is
> found before your last response. In hundreds and maybe even a thousand
> records I have searched for based on record that shows up on search and
> provides a film number I have always found the record in that same film.
> There has never been a mistake in that regard. What has to be done at times
> is search the whole volume page by page because the record can be out of
> order. I've tried to point this out in multiple posts. I had given you the
> link to the volume to provoke you into searching it again because it there
> and Adrián found it for you.
>
> Here is what Adrián Márquez Padilla said. Let me know if you need a
> tranlation.
>
> "*
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45939-11?cc=1874591&wc…
> En la direccion proporcionada amablemente por Armando y en la imagen 56 se
> encuentra el acta.
>
> Xalostitlan* *
> D. Jose Joachin Gutierrez de Laris, con Doña Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
> Todos Españoles
> Velados
>
> En la Iglesia Parroquial de Xalostitlan a treinta de enero de Mil
> Setecientos Ochenta y Dos. Yo el Presbitero Don Jose Maria de Asedo Cura
> Interino Case y Vele infacie Eclecie por palabras de presente que hacen
> verdaderos matrimonios a Don. Jose Joachin Gutierres de Laris Español
> originario y vecino de esta feligresia hijo legitimo de Don Antonio
> Gutierres De Laris difunto y de Doña Cathalina Ramires de Hermosillo, con
> Doña Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo, Española originaria y vecina de esta
> feligresia en el puesto de la parada, hija legitima de Don Salvador Gallo y
> de Doña Gertrudis Masias Balades (difunta) habiendo precedido antes la
> información de libertad y soltura de matrimonio y las tres proclamas
> prevenidas por el Santo Concilio de trento en tres dias festivos inter
> Misarium Solemnia que lo fueron, martes primero de enero dia de la
> circuncisión de el Sr., Domingo seis, Domingo trece de Enero, en cuya
> virtud se casaron y velaron ante mi, y testigos que lo fueron Jua* *
> chin Rubio Sachristan y Don Jose Lucas el fiscal, y los padrinos Don Jose
> Santiago Gutierrez Y Doña Juana Theresa Gutierrez y para que conste lo
> firme con el Sr. Cura. (Rubrica) B. Jose Maria de Azeda…
>
> También puedes encontrar su informacion matrimonial en la siguiente
> direccion:* *
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18448-41517-48?cc=1874591&wc…
> * *
> Imagen 5 y 6.*"
>
>
> Saludos
> Armando
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Miggy GUTIERREZ wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks Armando but I already looked in the referred location but it is not
> > there. I was hoping someone may have tripped into the right place by
> > mistake.
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:21:19 -0500
> > > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] need help
> > >
> > > That will almost definitely be found in the volume Matrimonios 1780-1791.
> > >
> > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45939-11?cc=1874591&wc…
> > >
> > > Armando
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Miggy GUTIERREZ > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have a problem with the marriage date of Jose Juachin Gutierrez de
> > Laris
> > > > with Juana Gallo January 30, 1782
> > > >
> > > > parents: Antonio Gutierres De Laris,? Cathalina Ramires
> > > > spouse: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
> > > >
> > > > groom's name: Jose Juachin Gutierres De Laris
> > > > bride's name: Juana Gertrudis Peres Gallo
> > > > marriage date: 30 Jan 1782
> > > > marriage place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion, Jalostotitlan,
> > Jalisco,
> > > > Mexico
> > > > groom's father's name: Anttonio Gutierres De Laris
> > > > groom's mother's name: Cathalina Ramires
> > > > bride's father's name: Salbador Gallo
> > > > bride's mother's name: Gertrudis Masias Balades
> > > > indexing project (batch) number: M60322-7
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Family search has the date on the search and I cannot find it once I
> > look
> > > > at the Marriage on Browse. Does anyone have this research.
> > > > This info may conflict with Retonos de Espana.
> > > >
> > > > I can confirm the marriage from the marriage of their son Jose Ignacio
> > > > Gutierrez with Antonia Martin del Campo February 13, 1809.in San
> > Juan de
> > > > los Lagoss.
> > > >
> > > > Miguel Gutierrez
> > > >
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Quienes fueron los padres de Juana Diaz de Sandi?
Hola a todos. Quiero hacerles una pregunta a ver si me sacan de esta duda. De antemano muchas gracias por cualquier información que puedan compartir conmigo sobre este asunto.
Lo que quisiera confirmar es quienes fueron los padres de Juana Díaz de Sandi, esposa de Joseph Alexandro de Acosta, casados el 8 de enero de 1735 en Teocaltiche, Jalisco. De acuerdo a los datos anotados en el Registro de Matrimonios de 1729-1736, Vol. 3 Foja 95r sus padres fueron Don Juan Díaz de Sandi y Doña Juana Gómez de Lomelí, vecinos de Aguascalientes. El enlace es el siguiente: Teocaltiche, Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Matrimonios 1729-1753 Imagen 103 de 571.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19052-56474-13?cc=1874591&wc…
En el Archivo Histórico del Estado de Aguascalientes (AHEA) se encuentra el testamento de Doña Juana Lomelí Hurtado de Mendoza (también conocida como Juana Gómez de Mendoza o Juana de Lomelí) quien era casada con Juan Díaz Montañez de Sandi cuando falleció el 5 de julio de 1720. Doña Juana dió poder a su esposo para que testara por ella, quien el 18 de octubre de ese mismo año declaró lo siguiente:
"Ytten me comunicó y mandó declarase en este su testamento que fue casada y velada infasie eclesia según horden de Nra. Santa Madre Yglesia conmigo el dicho Juan Díaz Montañes de Sandi, y que quando contraxe dicho matrimonio me dieron en dote Dn. Manuel Gomez de Mendoza y Da. Franca. Gutierrez Rubio sus padres y mis suegros un mill pesos en distintos géneros y cosas de que otorgué carta de resibo y dote en el pueblo de Tecpatitán a los dies y seis de octubre de el año pasado de mill setecientos y siete ante Leandro de Orozco Aguero, Escribano Público, siendo mi capital entonces doscientos pesos que fueron los mismo en que la dote con ánimo de aplicarme a trabajar para que pudiera cubrir esto lo qual quisiera después si fuera dable según derecho; y durante nuestro matrimonio hubimos y procreamos por nuestros hijos lejítimos a Pablo, Geronimo, Theresa y Francisca Leogarda Díaz Montañes de Sandi, declárolo así para que conste en cumplimiento de su voluntad....(...)"
Estos nombres los repite más adelante cuando declara que Pablo, Gerónimo, Theresa y Francisca Leogarda son sus hijos legítimos y herederos universales, sin siquiera mencionar a Juana Díaz de Sandi. Una posibilidad es que Doña Juana de Lomelí haya fallecido de complicaciones de parto y que su hija recién nacida (Juana en este caso) haya sobrevivido. Aunque esto es posible, dudo que sea cierto porque cuando otorgó derecho a su esposo para que testara por ella dijo que se encontraba enferma en cama con un achaque y que temía no tener suficiente tiempo para hacer su testamento y disponer de sus cosas como era debido. Pero si fuera así, Juana Díaz de Sandi hubiera tenido 15 años cuando contrajo matrimonio con José Alejandro de Acosta. Otra posibilidad es que después que murió su madre una de sus hijas se haya cambiado de nombre de Teresa o Francisca Leogarda, a Juana. Esto me parece mas probable, aunque tampoco he encontrado nada al respecto.
Juana Díaz de Sandi falleció el 2 de septiembre de 1751 en Aguascalientes (ver Defunciones 1748-1752 Parroquia de la Asunción, Imagen 111 de 149). Otorgó poder para testar ante Dn. Manuel Raphael de Aguilera, Escribano Real, el día 30 de agosto de 1751 en el que nombró por albaceas a su esposo Don Joseph Alexandro de Acosta. Su partida de defunción dice que era hija de Don Juan Díaz de Sandi y Doña Juana Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11601-42021-25?cc=1410092&…
Estoy casi seguro que era hija de esta pareja, pero por qué razón no la mencionaría su madre en su testamento?
BILL FIGUEROA
DIAS DE SANDI, Juana
Bill,
The following girl seems to be the Juana DIAS DE SANDI you are searching for. She would have been only three months old at her mother Juana LOMELIN's death, (perhaps too young to be included in any documents) and 15 years old at the time of her own marriage to Joseph Alexandro ACOSTA.
From Film #299530, Mex CCRec Ags Ags Sag (inc Hac. Cieneguilla) Bau 1719-1733, Image 10.
Juana, española, baptized 6 Apr 1720, Ags,
hija lexitima de Ju. DIAS DE SANDI y Doña Juana LOMELIN y MENDOZA.
Padrino: el capitan Don Andres TELLO De LOMAS.
Gloria Delgado
DIAS DE SANDI, Juana
Hi Gloria,
Thank you very much for answering my question. Juana de Lomelin y Hurtado
de Mendoza was ill when her daughter was born and probably died of
post-partum complications three months after giving birth to her daughter.
The baptismal record also indicates that Juana was "hija lexitima de Juan
Díaz de Sandi y de Da Juana de Lomelin y Mendoza difunta". The word difunta
was later scratched out by the priest. Here is the sequence of events:
06 Apr 1720 - Juana Díaz de Sandi is baptized in Aguascalientes.
28 Jun 1720 - Her mother Juana de Lomelin y Hurtado de Mendoza, gravely
ill in bed after giving birth to her daughter, authorized her husband Juan
Díaz de Sandi to file her final will and testament on her behalf. No
mention of her newborn is made in her deposition, made in presence of the
scribe and witnesses.
05 Jul 1720 - Juana de Lomelín y Hurtado de Mendoza dies and is buried in
Aguascalientes.
18 Oct 1720 - Juan Díaz de Sandi files his wife's testament on her behalf.
No mention of their daughter Juana, who was probably not expected to live.
Thank again for your help, Gloria.
All the best,
BILL FIGUEROA
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIAS DE SANDI, Juana
Bill,
The following girl seems to be the Juana DIAS DE SANDI you are searching
for. She would have been only three months old at her mother Juana
LOMELIN's death, (perhaps too young to be included in any documents) and 15
years old at the time of her own marriage to Joseph Alexandro ACOSTA.
From Film #299530, Mex CCRec Ags Ags Sag (inc Hac. Cieneguilla) Bau
1719-1733, Image 10.
Juana, española, baptized 6 Apr 1720, Ags,
hija lexitima de Ju. DIAS DE SANDI y Doña Juana LOMELIN y MENDOZA.
Padrino: el capitan Don Andres TELLO De LOMAS.
Gloria Delgado