Hi Everyone,
Lopez de la Cerda came up in a previous email and I want to ask if anyone
in the NR forum has any information on the grandparents of Phelipe Lopez De
La Serda Marin , who married Juan Perez de Frias Flores on May 29 1749
(vecinos de Rio Chico, Teocaltiche). I have Phelipe's parents listed as
Matheo Lopez de la Serda and Jacinta Marin.
Does anyone have information on Matheo and Jacinta's lineage?
Thanks and I look forward to your response.
Regards,
Juan Aguayo
Agustin Lopez de la Cerda
Does anyone know whether Bill Figueroa is still part of this group? I was researching a recent find where my ancestors are from this family line, specifically Simona Lopes de la Cerda and Nicolas Martin. I'd like to find Bill's sources to keep on researching this family line. Thank you.
"Lopez de la Serda
Submitted by Bill Figueroa on Sun, 2012-07-08 02:45.
Juan, Alice & Jose,
. . .
Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucia Rodriguez de Victoria had three children: Agustin, Josepha and Simona Lopez de la Cerda. Agustin (el mozo) married Maria de Isla y Sotomayor 3 Jun 1667 in Aguascalientes. Josepha married Isidro Martin de Sotomayor (date unknown) and Simona married Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor (17 Sep 1667) in Teocaltiche. Nicolas, Isidro and Maria were brothers and sister. As far as I know, only the children of Agustin and Maria carried the surname Lopez de la Cerda in Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes.
. . .
Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA"
Lopez de la Cerda
You can find them here on the Wikitree:
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/L%C3%B3pez_de_la_Cerda-9
The sources are at the bottom.
Danny C. Alonso
Lopez de la Cerda
For my fellow genealogists:
Maria de Islas y Sotomayor indicated in her will dated 8 Feb 1713 that she and her late husband Agustin Lopez de la Cerda had five children (Felix Juan el mayor, Juan el menor, Agustina, Esteban and Antonio) and that they all married. Her testament can be accessed online in the Aguascalientes archives.
Felix Juan el mayor age 29 married 6 Feb 1701 AGS to Elvira Lopez Muñoz (aka Elvira de Cobos), hija legitima de Miguel de Cobos and Teresa Lopes Muños. I stress hija legitima because Elvira’s mother was deceased and her father was a priest when Elvira married. On that same day in AGS Juan el menor age 27 married Teresa Lopez Muñoz (aka Teresa de Cobos), sister of Elvira. When the brothers provided their marriage information on January 17 and 18, 1701, one of their witnesses was Francisco Martin de Sotomayor, their primo hermano.
It appears that 1701 was a busy year for the Lopez de la Cerda family. On 20 Dec 1701 the two younger brothers also gave information to marry. Esteban age 22 planned to marry Josepha Ramirez de Hermosillo. Antonio age 21 wanted to marry her sister Rosa Maria Ramirez de Hermosillo. Both women were born and raised in Jalostotitlan and were the daughters of Nicolas Ramirez de Hermosillo (deceased) and Francisca Gutierrez de Barba. I assume they did marry although I do not have the actual marriage dates.
Much of this data, including their ages, is available in the 1699-1719 Marriage Information records of Cienega de Mata, Jalisco (Film 640168). You can find them on Family Search. I'm reading off of an old Family Group Sheet and do not have internet links to give you.
So we have the two older brothers marrying sisters, as well as the two younger brothers marrying sisters. As for the 5 Feb 1713 marriage of Juan to Anna Maria Muñoz de la Barba, I haven’t seen the document and assume it is his second marriage. And I wonder who that Antonio could be who married Josepha Alonso de los Hinojos in 1695. These are not my direct ancestors, so I don’t have extensive data. For that reason I do not have anything on Agustina.
Mary Lou
Start with Image 117 in Film 640168. The four MI documents are very close to each other.
Correction: Maria's 8 Feb 1713 will lists six children: Felix, Juan el mayor, Juan el menor, Agustina, Esteban and Antonio. I missed a comma. So, I don't know which Juan married Teresa Lopez Muñoz.
Lopez de la Cerda
It is obvious I am computer illiterate. I wanted to add my comments in this group. But somehow started a new string. Mea culpa. I and I hope you will continue to add comments here and ignore the one I started.
Mary Lou
Lopez de la Serda
Ok,Edgar yo tengo el libro en casa , te lo buscó esta tardé y te lo envio hoy mismo.
Martha Gomez
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint
----- Reply message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 9:56 AM
Hola Edgar,
No estoy seguro si Luz Montejano-Hilton pertenece a este foro, pero talvez puedas hacerle la pregunta que quieres en su blog de facebook.
https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano
https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano.genealogiaparatodos
El libro aludido "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara..." lo publicó hace ya varios años y no sé si se haya hecho una reimpresión. Yo tengo acceso a ese libro en la biblioteca pública de la ciudad de Dallas.
Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA
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Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill
ya tengo localizado el micrifilm que me pasastes
que es el 168010 microfilm año 1753 en diocesis de guadalajara
estube checando pero viene muy revuelto no llevan un orden en las fechas buscando
la fecha 11 de junio 1753 de la dispensa y son 621 imagenes algo dificil de encontrar
pero no la e podido encontrar como puedo comunicarme con la persona maria luz montejano hilton para aver si tiene el enlace
te lo agradezco mucho por la informacion que me mandastes
saludos
gracias
Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola martha gomez
como estas ? espero que bien
entonces me haces ese favor
para encotrar ese documento
que tanto me hace falta para comprobar
mis lineas
te lo agradeceria mucho amiga
saludos
que tengas un buen dia
bye
Lopez de la Serda
Claro que si Edgar,solo que estoy de vacaciones y regreso a casa el próximo
domingo,te lo mando en cuanto llegue.
Saludos,Martha
On Jul 15, 2013 6:27 AM, wrote:
> Edgar Olguin Diaz
> hola martha gomez
> como estas ? espero que bien
> entonces me haces ese favor
> para encotrar ese documento
> que tanto me hace falta para comprobar
> mis lineas
> te lo agradeceria mucho amiga
> saludos que tengas un buen dia
> bye
Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola
martha gomez
como estas? espero que muy bien
siempre encontrastes el enlace de la dispensa
de los lopez de la cerda?
te lo encargo si no es mucha molestia amiga
saludos
que tengas un buen dia
bye
Lopez de la Serda
Si,hoy en la noche lo sacó y te lo mando.Saludos
On Aug 5, 2013 7:42 AM, wrote:
> Edgar Olguin Diaz
> hola
> martha gomez
> como estas? espero que muy bien
> siempre encontrastes el enlace de la dispensa
> de los lopez de la cerda?
> te lo encargo si no es mucha molestia amiga
> saludos
> que tengas un buen dia
> bye
Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
HOLA AMIGA MARTHA
UN CORDIAL SALUDO
AMIGA TIENES EL LINK O EL DOCUMENTO DONDE PUEDO COMPROBAR
QUIENES SON LOS PADRES DE ANTONIO LOPEZ DE LA CERDA ESPOSO DE DE JOSEPHA ALONSO DE LOS HINOJOS?
MUCHOS MENCIONAN QUE LOS PADRES DE ANTONIO SON AGUSTIN LOPEZ DE LA CERDA Y MARIA DE ROELAS O ISLA Y SOTOMAYOR.
PERO QUISIERA TENER ESE EL DOCUMENTO DONDE PUEDA COMPROBAR QUIENES ERAN LOS PADRES DE ANTONIO.
GRACIAS POR ATENCION PRESTADA
SALUDOS
Pérez de Frías
By the way Juan, Do you have any further information about Juana Pérez de Frías? I have just found the names of her parents: Fabián Pérez de Frías and Rosa Flores, but haven't been able to find anything else.
Thanks in advance =D
Pérez de Frías
I'm sorry, I'm coming in late into the conversation and don't know what was
said before. My 5ggmo is Maria Catharina Perez de Frias. She was baptized
21 May 1721 in Mexticacan. She had a brother, Luiz, md to Juana Josepha
Placencia, md 31 Jul 1741 in Nochistlan. Their parents were Gregorio Perez
de Frias (or Islas), and Magdalena Yanez, md 18 Jan, 1712 in Nochistlan.
Does this help?
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, wrote:
> By the way Juan, Do you have any further information about Juana Pérez de
> Frías? I have just found the names of her parents: Fabián Pérez de Frías
> and Rosa Flores, but haven't been able to find anything else.
>
> Thanks in advance =D
Pérez de Frías
Thanks for your response Raquel. We'll see if it helps out. Its another
lead so hopefully it does. If I find anything I'll let you guys know. It
may be a couple of weeks since I'm limited on time at the moment.
Gracias,
Juan Aguayo
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Raquel Ruiz wrote:
> I'm sorry, I'm coming in late into the conversation and don't know what was
> said before. My 5ggmo is Maria Catharina Perez de Frias. She was baptized
> 21 May 1721 in Mexticacan. She had a brother, Luiz, md to Juana Josepha
> Placencia, md 31 Jul 1741 in Nochistlan. Their parents were Gregorio Perez
> de Frias (or Islas), and Magdalena Yanez, md 18 Jan, 1712 in Nochistlan.
> Does this help?
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, wrote:
>
> > By the way Juan, Do you have any further information about Juana Pérez de
> > Frías? I have just found the names of her parents: Fabián Pérez de Frías
> > and Rosa Flores, but haven't been able to find anything else.
> >
> > Thanks in advance =D
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Lopez De La Serda
This is my connection to De La Serda family : Francisco De Pedroza married
Juana Lopez De La Serda on 1745 in Teocaltiche. Her parents were Matheo De
La Serda and Jasinta Marin. Does anyone have a Pedroza or De Pedroza in
their family tree?
Esteban Pedroza
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1. Re: French or not? (Emilie Garcia)
2. Re: French or not? (Emilie Garcia)
3. Re: French or not? (Erlinda Castanon-Long)
4. Re: Lopez de la Serda (Alice Blake)
5. French in Jalisco/Mexico (windmillbb@aol.com)
6. Re: Lopez de la Serda (Juan Aguayo)
7. Race: Time To Move On (Joseph Puentes)
8. Re: Rancho de Coculiten (Joseph Puentes)
9. Re: The French and Mariachis (CampeZina)
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:39:30 -0700
From: Emilie Garcia
To:
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Alicia,
I think it is because people in Mexico heard that French had "settled"
there, not knowing the true history. They equate blue eyes only with the
"recent" foreigners and not their own Spanish ancestors.
My father could have killed me when we stopped for lunch and gas in a small
village back in the 1960s on our way to Jerez. I noticed that many of the
people there were dark, but had blue eyes. I very impertently asked the
dark, blue eyed gas station attendant "porque tantos aqui estan prietos con
hojos azules?" (God, what a dumb question, but I was so curious, and young
and dumb). He just smiled and said, "los franceses vinieron aqui". My
father dressed me up and down for that, but I got an answer that satifsfied
me at the time. Now I know better.
Emilie
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 01:41:32 -0700
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] French or not?
>
> Armando and other Nuestros Ranchos Members:
>
> Why do you think so many people perpetuate the myth that they're French or
have French lineage? I simply cannot understand the why. I know I've heard
it said by some people in our family and when I tell people that I've done
some genealogical research, inevitably this comes up and they say that they
are descended from the French. I hear it all the time and I've even
alienated some people when I give them a few facts as to the short time
period in which the French occupied Mexico and that it's simply not possible
or very unlikely that they could be French.
>
>
> The British, French and Spanish arrived in Mexico during the Mexican
reform period beginning in October of 1861 because Presidente Juarez had
refused to pay Mexico's foreign debts.
>
>
> The French first occupied Puebla, and were defeated on 5 de Mayo of 1862,
hence el Cinco de Mayo. The following May, the French again attacked Puebla,
then proceeded to Mexico City where they took over the government.
Maximilian was asked to accept the Mexican Crown for the French, which he
did in accordance with Napolean's plans and wishes. Maximilian arrived in
1864 with his wife Carlota and In 1866, Napolean began recalling the French
troops from Mexico. In 1867, Maximilan was tried and executed in Mexico.
>
> So the French were in Mexico from 1861 to 1867. I'm curious to hear what
people's thoughts are on this issue of so many people claiming they are
French in Mexico.
>
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Ca
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
Lopez de la Serda
i'm stuck there as well. Can't find anything about them :(
Lopez de la Serda
Jose,
Tell me what you've got as De la Serda's are concerned. I'm also researching that surname. After several years, it would be great and a first, if I was related to anyone in this group. Thanis, Alice
--- On Fri, 7/6/12, josejime@yahoo.com wrote:
From: josejime@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 4:34 PM
i'm stuck there as well. Can't find anything about them :(
Lopez de la Serda
Jose and Alice,
Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria were married
(veiled) 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi. He is the first Lopez de la Cerda
in my database. His son Agustin and daughters Josepha and Simona lived in
the Aguascalientes-Teocaltiche area where they married and had children. I
have a lot of information about their descendants. Let me know if I can
help.
BILL FIGUEROA
Lopez de la Serda
Hello Bill,
Thanks so much for your offer to help. I'm not sure if we're on the same track, as my De la Serda can only be traced back to Jose Manuel de la Serda who married Ma Guadalupe Lisalde 11/13/1767, in Lampazaos de Naranjo, Nuevo Leon. I'd be thrilled if indeed, we were researching the same ancestors. Thanks again. Alice
--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Bill Figueroa wrote:
From: Bill Figueroa
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 10:00 PM
Jose and Alice,
Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria were married (veiled) 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi. He is the first Lopez de la Cerda in my database. His son Agustin and daughters Josepha and Simona lived in the Aguascalientes-Teocaltiche area where they married and had children. I have a lot of information about their descendants. Let me know if I can help.
BILL FIGUEROA
Lopez de la Serda
Bill, Alice & Jose,
I'm glad someone responded to my email from February and hopefully we can
collaborate on the Lopez de la Serda name. I have the following:
Juan Manuel Lopez de Cerda casado con Maria Guadalupe Farfan on April 25,
1792 in Teocaltiche Jalisco. Juan Manuel was babtized June 28, 1750 in
Teocaltiche, Jalisco (nacio en Rio Chico, Jalisco) and his parents are
listed as Phelipe Lopez and Juana Perez.
I have Phelipe Lopez de la Serda casado con Juana Perez de Frias on May 21,
1749 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco (vecinos de Rio Chico, Jalisco) and their
parents are listed as: Matheo Lopez de la Serda and Jacinta Marin and
Fabian Perez de Frias (difunto) and Rosa Flores, respectively.
My trail for the Lopez de la Serda, Marin, Perez de Frias, and Flores ends
here. Do you guys have anymore info on these people?
Bill thanks for your information, maybe I can tie Phelipe Lopez de Serda to
the Agustin, Josepha or Simona as you have listed in your response.
Saludos,
Juan Aguayo Munoz
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
> Hello Bill,
> Thanks so much for your offer to help. I'm not sure if we're on the same
> track, as my De la Serda can only be traced back to Jose Manuel de la Serda
> who married Ma Guadalupe Lisalde 11/13/1767, in Lampazaos de Naranjo, Nuevo
> Leon. I'd be thrilled if indeed, we were researching the same ancestors.
> Thanks again. Alice
>
> --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Bill Figueroa wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill Figueroa
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 10:00 PM
>
>
> Jose and Alice,
>
> Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria were married
> (veiled) 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi. He is the first Lopez de la Cerda
> in my database. His son Agustin and daughters Josepha and Simona lived in
> the Aguascalientes-Teocaltiche area where they married and had children. I
> have a lot of information about their descendants. Let me know if I can
> help.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
Lopez de la Serda
Juan, Alice & Jose,
Phelipe Lopez de la Cerda had a sister named Juana Lopez de la Cerda, who was baptized 14 Jun 1711 in Teocaltiche. I have not been able to determine if their father Matheo Lopez de la Cerda (married to Jacinta Marin) is related to Agustín Lopez de la Cerda, but will continue searching all available records. In case you're interested, Juana Lopez de la Cerda married Francisco de Pedroza 28 Apr 1745 in Teocaltiche, where they had four sons baptized: Juan Gregorio (1746), Ignacio Ventura (1748), Joseph Juachin Mariano (1750) and Juan Antonio de la Cruz Pedroza (1753).
Agustin Lopez de la Cerda married Lucia Rodriguez de Victoria 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi. Agustin's parents were Francisco Lopez and Francisca de los Angeles, and Lucia's parents were Antonio Rodriguez and Catalina de Victoria. Antonio and Catalina were married 01 Jun 1601 in Patzcuaro, Mich.
Agustin Lopez de la Cerda had a brother named Miguel Lopez de la Cerda, who married Maria Magdalena Lozano 15 Feb 1635 in Aguascalientes. Miguel was buried in Aguascalientes 29 Oct 1666. In her final will Magdalena Lozano declared that they had no children, so that line ends there. Magdalena Lozano died less than a month later (23 Nov 1666) and was buried in Aguascalientes.
Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucia Rodriguez de Victoria had three children: Agustin, Josepha and Simona Lopez de la Cerda. Agustin (el mozo) married Maria de Isla y Sotomayor 3 Jun 1667 in Aguascalientes. Josepha married Isidro Martin de Sotomayor (date unknown) and Simona married Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor (17 Sep 1667) in Teocaltiche. Nicolas, Isidro and Maria were brothers and sister. As far as I know, only the children of Agustin and Maria carried the surname Lopez de la Cerda in Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes.
I have identified five children of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Isla y Sotomayor: Juan Felix (el menor), Juan (el mayor), Agustina, Esteban and Antonio.
- Juan Felix married Theresa de Cobos 6 Feb 1701 in Aguascalientes. They had at least five children: Maria Theresa, Maria, Christobal, Maria Theresa de los Dolores and Michaela Lopez de la Cerda, all born between 1701-1722.
- Juan married Anna Maria Muñoz de la Barba 5 Feb 1713 in Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal. I have identified three children: Agustin (b.1714), Santiago (b. ca1717) and Maria Vicenta Lopez de la Cerda (b. not known) all born at Cienega de Mata.
- Agustina and Esteban died young and were never married.
- Antonio who married Josepha Alonso de los Hinojos 12 Oct 1695 in Aguascalientes. They had at least five children: Antonia Lorenza, Onofre, Balthazar Manuel, Antonio Joseph and Maria Gertrudis Lopez de la Cerda, all born between 1700-1712.
Since Juana Lopez de la Cerda was born in Teocaltiche in 1711 she is in the same generation with the grandchildren of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Isla y Sotomayor (see above). Therefore, her parents Matheo Lopez de la Cerda and Jacinta Marin are in the same generation with Juan Felix, Juan, Agustina, Esteban and Antonio Lopez de la Cerda, sons of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Isla y Sotomayor. But Maria de Isla y Sotomayor listed her children in her final will and testament before she died in 1716, and she did not mention a son named Matheo. Back to the drawing board.
Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA
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From: "Juan Aguayo"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
Bill, Alice & Jose,
I'm glad someone responded to my email from February and hopefully we can
collaborate on the Lopez de la Serda name. I have the following:
Juan Manuel Lopez de Cerda casado con Maria Guadalupe Farfan on April 25,
1792 in Teocaltiche Jalisco. Juan Manuel was babtized June 28, 1750 in
Teocaltiche, Jalisco (nacio en Rio Chico, Jalisco) and his parents are
listed as Phelipe Lopez and Juana Perez.
I have Phelipe Lopez de la Serda casado con Juana Perez de Frias on May 21,
1749 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco (vecinos de Rio Chico, Jalisco) and their
parents are listed as: Matheo Lopez de la Serda and Jacinta Marin and
Fabian Perez de Frias (difunto) and Rosa Flores, respectively.
My trail for the Lopez de la Serda, Marin, Perez de Frias, and Flores ends
here. Do you guys have anymore info on these people?
Bill thanks for your information, maybe I can tie Phelipe Lopez de Serda to
the Agustin, Josepha or Simona as you have listed in your response.
Saludos,
Juan Aguayo Munoz
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
> Hello Bill,
> Thanks so much for your offer to help. I'm not sure if we're on the same
> track, as my De la Serda can only be traced back to Jose Manuel de la Serda
> who married Ma Guadalupe Lisalde 11/13/1767, in Lampazaos de Naranjo, Nuevo
> Leon. I'd be thrilled if indeed, we were researching the same ancestors.
> Thanks again. Alice
>
> --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Bill Figueroa wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill Figueroa
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 10:00 PM
>
>
> Jose and Alice,
>
> Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria were married
> (veiled) 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi. He is the first Lopez de la Cerda
> in my database. His son Agustin and daughters Josepha and Simona lived in
> the Aguascalientes-Teocaltiche area where they married and had children. I
> have a lot of information about their descendants. Let me know if I can
> help.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
Lopez de la Serda
Hey Bill,
Thanks a lot for such a thorough contribution. I'll try to do some further investigation to determine our possible linkage. =D
Lopez de la Cerda
Hello Bill-
Thanks for the information on this family line! Would you mind sharing the source that connects Simona as daughter of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucia Rodriguez?
Regarding Agustina Lopez de la Cerda daughter of Agustin de la Cerda and Maria de Islas, based on a dispensa (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18416-37865-42?cc=1874591&wc…) posted on Claudia's site, I have that she married Juan Delgadillo and had the following children:
1. Elvira married Juan Baptista Macias Valadez
2. Maria Manuela bap. August 30, 1711
3. Nicolasa married Juan Joseph de Loebana May 20, 1732
4. Ignacia married Cayetano Francisco Cortez January 7, 1730
Regards,
Austin Perez
Lopez de la Cerda
Hi Austin,
On July 26, 1716 Simona Lopez de la Cerda filed her final will and
testament in Aguascalientes, which contains the following information:
"En el nombre de Dios todopoderoso y de la Virgen
SSm. N. S. amen, notorio sea a los q' la presente carta
de mi testamento vieren como yo Simona Lopes vesina
de la Villa de Ags. Calientes hija lixitima de Augustin Lo
pes de la Serda y de Lucia Rodrigs. naturales de la ciudad
de S. Luis Potosi de donde yo lo soy, estando enferma
en cama en mi entero juicio cabal y natural memoria
creyendo como creo en el misterio de la SS Trini
dad Dios Padre, Dios Hijo y Dios Espiritu Santo tres per
sonas distintas y un solo Dios verdadero ... (...)"
It continues a few paragraphs later:
"Ittn. declaro para el descargo de mi conciencia
q' fui casada y velada segun orden de N. S. Madre Ygla. (Yglesia)
con Nicolas Martin de Soto Mayor vesino de Sierra de Sierra
de Pinos de quien fui albasea cuyo testamento ten
go cumplido, y durante ntro. matrimonio tubimos
y procreamos por nuestros hijos lixitimos a Andres, Nico
las, Rossa, Magdalena, Franco., Manuela, y Antto. Mar
tin de Soto Mayor, a Andres lo case con Lucia de
Chabes, a Nicolas con Maria de la Rossa Alderete, a Rossa
con Juan de Esparza, a Magdalena con Antto. de Alba, a
Franco. con Luisa de Alderete, a Manuela con Juan de
Santos y a Antta. con Salbador de Palos ... (...)"
Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor and Simona Lopez de la Cerda got married 17 Sep
1667 in Teocaltiche. They lived most of their lives in Sierra de Pinos and
Aguascalientes, where Nicolas was born.
Thanks for the information about Juan Delgadillo and Agustina Lopez de la
Cerda, and the dispensa posted on Claudia's site. Both have been helpful to
me.
Best regards,
BILL FIGUEROA
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 7:07 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Cerda
Hello Bill-
Thanks for the information on this family line! Would you mind sharing the
source that connects Simona as daughter of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and
Lucia Rodriguez?
Regarding Agustina Lopez de la Cerda daughter of Agustin de la Cerda and
Maria de Islas, based on a dispensa
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18416-37865-42?cc=1874591&wc…)
posted on Claudia's site, I have that she married Juan Delgadillo and had
the following children:
1. Elvira married Juan Baptista Macias Valadez
2. Maria Manuela bap. August 30, 1711
3. Nicolasa married Juan Joseph de Loebana May 20, 1732
4. Ignacia married Cayetano Francisco Cortez January 7, 1730
Regards,
Austin Perez
Lopez de la Serda
Bill,
Thanks so much for your information, unfortunately at this point in time I personally don't find a connection to my De la Serda's. I'll keep your info and and perhaps with further research on my part there will be a connection. Thanks again. Alice
--- On Sun, 7/8/12, Bill Figueroa wrote:
From: Bill Figueroa
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 6:40 AM
Juan, Alice & Jose,
Phelipe Lopez de la Cerda had a sister named Juana Lopez de la Cerda, who was baptized 14 Jun 1711 in Teocaltiche. I have not been able to determine if their father Matheo Lopez de la Cerda (married to Jacinta Marin) is related to Agustín Lopez de la Cerda, but will continue searching all available records. In case you're interested, Juana Lopez de la Cerda married Francisco de Pedroza 28 Apr 1745 in Teocaltiche, where they had four sons baptized: Juan Gregorio (1746), Ignacio Ventura (1748), Joseph Juachin Mariano (1750) and Juan Antonio de la Cruz Pedroza (1753).
Agustin Lopez de la Cerda married Lucia Rodriguez de Victoria 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi. Agustin's parents were Francisco Lopez and Francisca de los Angeles, and Lucia's parents were Antonio Rodriguez and Catalina de Victoria. Antonio and Catalina were married 01 Jun 1601 in Patzcuaro, Mich.
Agustin Lopez de la Cerda had a brother named Miguel Lopez de la Cerda, who married Maria Magdalena Lozano 15 Feb 1635 in Aguascalientes. Miguel was buried in Aguascalientes 29 Oct 1666. In her final will Magdalena Lozano declared that they had no children, so that line ends there. Magdalena Lozano died less than a month later (23 Nov 1666) and was buried in Aguascalientes.
Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucia Rodriguez de Victoria had three children: Agustin, Josepha and Simona Lopez de la Cerda. Agustin (el mozo) married Maria de Isla y Sotomayor 3 Jun 1667 in Aguascalientes. Josepha married Isidro Martin de Sotomayor (date unknown) and Simona married Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor (17 Sep 1667) in Teocaltiche. Nicolas, Isidro and Maria were brothers and sister. As far as I know, only the children of Agustin and Maria carried the surname Lopez de la Cerda in Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes.
I have identified five children of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Isla y Sotomayor: Juan Felix (el menor), Juan (el mayor), Agustina, Esteban and Antonio.
- Juan Felix married Theresa de Cobos 6 Feb 1701 in Aguascalientes. They had at least five children: Maria Theresa, Maria, Christobal, Maria Theresa de los Dolores and Michaela Lopez de la Cerda, all born between 1701-1722.
- Juan married Anna Maria Muñoz de la Barba 5 Feb 1713 in Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal. I have identified three children: Agustin (b.1714), Santiago (b. ca1717) and Maria Vicenta Lopez de la Cerda (b. not known) all born at Cienega de Mata.
- Agustina and Esteban died young and were never married.
- Antonio who married Josepha Alonso de los Hinojos 12 Oct 1695 in Aguascalientes. They had at least five children: Antonia Lorenza, Onofre, Balthazar Manuel, Antonio Joseph and Maria Gertrudis Lopez de la Cerda, all born between 1700-1712.
Since Juana Lopez de la Cerda was born in Teocaltiche in 1711 she is in the same generation with the grandchildren of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Isla y Sotomayor (see above). Therefore, her parents Matheo Lopez de la Cerda and Jacinta Marin are in the same generation with Juan Felix, Juan, Agustina, Esteban and Antonio Lopez de la Cerda, sons of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Isla y Sotomayor. But Maria de Isla y Sotomayor listed her children in her final will and testament before she died in 1716, and she did not mention a son named Matheo. Back to the drawing board.
Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Aguayo"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
Bill, Alice & Jose,
I'm glad someone responded to my email from February and hopefully we can
collaborate on the Lopez de la Serda name. I have the following:
Juan Manuel Lopez de Cerda casado con Maria Guadalupe Farfan on April 25,
1792 in Teocaltiche Jalisco. Juan Manuel was babtized June 28, 1750 in
Teocaltiche, Jalisco (nacio en Rio Chico, Jalisco) and his parents are
listed as Phelipe Lopez and Juana Perez.
I have Phelipe Lopez de la Serda casado con Juana Perez de Frias on May 21,
1749 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco (vecinos de Rio Chico, Jalisco) and their
parents are listed as: Matheo Lopez de la Serda and Jacinta Marin and
Fabian Perez de Frias (difunto) and Rosa Flores, respectively.
My trail for the Lopez de la Serda, Marin, Perez de Frias, and Flores ends
here. Do you guys have anymore info on these people?
Bill thanks for your information, maybe I can tie Phelipe Lopez de Serda to
the Agustin, Josepha or Simona as you have listed in your response.
Saludos,
Juan Aguayo Munoz
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
> Hello Bill,
> Thanks so much for your offer to help. I'm not sure if we're on the same
> track, as my De la Serda can only be traced back to Jose Manuel de la Serda
> who married Ma Guadalupe Lisalde 11/13/1767, in Lampazaos de Naranjo, Nuevo
> Leon. I'd be thrilled if indeed, we were researching the same ancestors.
> Thanks again. Alice
>
> --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Bill Figueroa wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill Figueroa
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 10:00 PM
>
>
> Jose and Alice,
>
> Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria were married
> (veiled) 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi. He is the first Lopez de la Cerda
> in my database. His son Agustin and daughters Josepha and Simona lived in
> the Aguascalientes-Teocaltiche area where they married and had children. I
> have a lot of information about their descendants. Let me know if I can
> help.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill figueroa
saludos
una pregunta
una de mis lineas genealogicas tengo a lorensa lopez de la cerda casada con diego delgado
en el año 1727 en aguascalientes
queria saber si antonia lorenza lopez de la cerda hija de antonio lopez y josepha alonso de los hinojos son las mismas?
en mi punto de vista veo que si son la misma persona pero queria su opinion amiga
se lo agradeceria mucho
saludos
Lopez de la Serda
Hola Edgar,
Antonia Lorenza López de la Cerda, hija de Antonio López de la Cerda y Sotomayor y Josepha Alonso de los Hinojos, casó dos veces: la primera con Diego Delgado el 19 de agosto de 1720 (no 1727) en la Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes y la segunda al quedar viuda con Ignacio Joseph del Carmen Ruiz de Esparza el 3 de febrero de 1754, en la misma parroquia. Diego y Lorenza procrearon cinco hijos legítimos: 1) Pablo Joseph, 2) Gregoria Manuela, 3) Francisco de Paula, 4) Phelipa y 5) Diego de la Concepción Delgado López. Ignacio y Lorenza solicitaron una dispensa de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara para contraer matrimonio. No tuvieron hijos.
"Aguascalientes, Ags. Junio 11 de 1753. Exp. 54.- Dispensa de tercer grado puro de consanguinidad y tercero con cuarto grado de afinidad por cópula lícita.- Ignacio Ruiz de Esparza, español de 39 años de edad, originario y vecino de este partido de la Villa de Aguascalientes en el Chichimeco: con Lorenza López, española de 53 años de edad, originaria del partido de Theocaltiche en el malpaso, y desde niña vecina de este en la Voca, viuda de Diego Delgado, que falleció tres años há y está sepultado en la Iglesia Parroquial. Declaración de la pretensa: Jacinto de Esparza y Theresa de Esparza, fueron hermanos, del primero vino Joseph Ruiz de Esparza, y de este Ignacio Ruiz de Esparza mi pretenso, y de la expresada Theresa vino Josepha Ruiz de Esparza, mi madre. Denuncia de otro parentesco: Juana López de Lizaldi y Nicolás López de Lizaldi, fueron hermanos, y tuvieron por hijos la primera a Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza, y éste a Joseph Ruiz de Esparza, padre de Ignacio Ruiz de Esparza, y de dicho Nicolás López, procedió Nicolasa López, y de ésta Diego Delgado, marido que fue de Lorenza López. Se otorgó la dispensa en el Pueblo y Santuario de Nuestra Señora de San Juan, en 26 de junio de 1753. 13 fojas."
Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA
----- Original Message -----
From: edgar_eemo@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill figueroa
saludos
una pregunta
una de mis lineas genealogicas tengo a lorensa lopez de la cerda casada con diego delgado
en el año 1727 en aguascalientes
queria saber si antonia lorenza lopez de la cerda hija de antonio lopez y josepha alonso de los hinojos son las mismas?
en mi punto de vista veo que si son la misma persona pero queria su opinion amiga
se lo agradeceria mucho
saludos
Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill figueroa
te lo agradezco muchisimo esta
informacion me hizo aclara varias dudas
ya me puse a investigar y encontre registros
de matrimonio y defunciones de las personas que se mencionan
trate de buscar el registro de la dispensa en guadalajara de ignacio y lorenza
pero no pude encotrarla
me podrias orientar como encontrar esta dispensa?
te lo agradezco
saludos
que tengas un fabuloso dia
Lopez de la Serda
Edgar,
Puedes buscar la dispensa en el Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 168010 OAH 2359 pt. 2, Matrimonios Hojas Sueltas, 1752-1753. Los datos fueron extraídos del microfilm por María Luz Montejano Hilton, quien los publicó en su libro "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia: expedintes de la serie de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII." Esos datos los verifiqué yo mismo con el documento original pero no tengo el enlace a mano. Tendrás que buscarlo.
Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA
----- Original Message -----
From: edgar_eemo@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill figueroa
te lo agradezco muchisimo esta
informacion me hizo aclara varias dudas
ya me puse a investigar y encontre registros
de matrimonio y defunciones de las personas que se mencionan
trate de buscar el registro de la dispensa en guadalajara de ignacio y lorenza
pero no pude encotrarla
me podrias orientar como encontrar esta dispensa?
te lo agradezco
saludos
que tengas un fabuloso dia
Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill
ya tengo localizado el micrifilm que me pasastes
que es el 168010 microfilm año 1753 en diocesis de guadalajara
estube checando pero viene muy revuelto no llevan un orden en las fechas buscando
la fecha 11 de junio 1753 de la dispensa y son 621 imagenes algo dificil de encontrar
pero no la e podido encontrar como puedo comunicarme con la persona maria luz montejano hilton para aver si tiene el enlace
te lo agradezco mucho por la informacion que me mandastes
saludos
gracias
Lopez de la Serda
Hola Edgar,
No estoy seguro si Luz Montejano-Hilton pertenece a este foro, pero talvez puedas hacerle la pregunta que quieres en su blog de facebook.
https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano
https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano.genealogiaparatodos
El libro aludido "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara..." lo publicó hace ya varios años y no sé si se haya hecho una reimpresión. Yo tengo acceso a ese libro en la biblioteca pública de la ciudad de Dallas.
Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA
----- Original Message -----
From: edgar_eemo@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill
ya tengo localizado el micrifilm que me pasastes
que es el 168010 microfilm año 1753 en diocesis de guadalajara
estube checando pero viene muy revuelto no llevan un orden en las fechas buscando
la fecha 11 de junio 1753 de la dispensa y son 621 imagenes algo dificil de encontrar
pero no la e podido encontrar como puedo comunicarme con la persona maria luz montejano hilton para aver si tiene el enlace
te lo agradezco mucho por la informacion que me mandastes
saludos
gracias
Lopez de la Serda
Esa acta esta despues de una con fecha Oct 21 1751 de los Pinos Zacatecas
Saludos, Martha Gomez
2013/7/12 Bill Figueroa
> Hola Edgar,
>
> No estoy seguro si Luz Montejano-Hilton pertenece a este foro, pero talvez
> puedas hacerle la pregunta que quieres en su blog de facebook.
>
> https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano
> https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano.genealogiaparatodos
>
> El libro aludido "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara..." lo publicó hace ya
> varios años y no sé si se haya hecho una reimpresión. Yo tengo acceso a
> ese libro en la biblioteca pública de la ciudad de Dallas.
>
> Saludos,
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: edgar_eemo@hotmail.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
>
>
> Edgar Olguin Diaz
> hola bill
> ya tengo localizado el micrifilm que me pasastes
> que es el 168010 microfilm año 1753 en diocesis de guadalajara
> estube checando pero viene muy revuelto no llevan un orden en las fechas
> buscando
> la fecha 11 de junio 1753 de la dispensa y son 621 imagenes algo dificil
> de encontrar
> pero no la e podido encontrar como puedo comunicarme con la persona
> maria luz montejano hilton para aver si tiene el enlace
> te lo agradezco mucho por la informacion que me mandastes
> saludos
> gracias
Lopez de la Serda
Perdon , me Equivoque, esta despues de una que esta fechada Oct. 21 1753
2013/7/12 Bill Figueroa
> Hola Edgar,
>
> No estoy seguro si Luz Montejano-Hilton pertenece a este foro, pero talvez
> puedas hacerle la pregunta que quieres en su blog de facebook.
>
> https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano
> https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano.genealogiaparatodos
>
> El libro aludido "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara..." lo publicó hace ya
> varios años y no sé si se haya hecho una reimpresión. Yo tengo acceso a
> ese libro en la biblioteca pública de la ciudad de Dallas.
>
> Saludos,
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: edgar_eemo@hotmail.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
>
>
> Edgar Olguin Diaz
> hola bill
> ya tengo localizado el micrifilm que me pasastes
> que es el 168010 microfilm año 1753 en diocesis de guadalajara
> estube checando pero viene muy revuelto no llevan un orden en las fechas
> buscando
> la fecha 11 de junio 1753 de la dispensa y son 621 imagenes algo dificil
> de encontrar
> pero no la e podido encontrar como puedo comunicarme con la persona
> maria luz montejano hilton para aver si tiene el enlace
> te lo agradezco mucho por la informacion que me mandastes
> saludos
> gracias
Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola
mucha gracias amiga bill
yo le preguntare por facebook
te lo agradezco mucho
que tengas un feliz fin de semana
saludos
bye
Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola a todoss amigos
alguien me podria pasar el link de la dispensa de ignacio ruiz de esparza y lorenza lopez de la cerda viuda de diego delgado?
me dieronn estos datos
Aguascalientes, Ags. Junio 11 de 1753. Exp. 54 en microfilm en diocecis de guadalajara 1753
pero no eh podido encontrarla
alguien me podria ayudar?
se lo agradeceria mucho
saludos
Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill figueroa
estaba checando algunos datos
los cuales me enfoque con el matrimonio
de agustin lopez de la cerda y maria de isla
como se menciona con matrimonio de 3 de junio 1667 en aguascalientes,
encontre este matrimonio y me di cuenta
que agustin lopez se caso con maria de roelas y que maria de isla
es madre de maria de roelas
tengo dudas
saludos
Lopez de la Serda
Edgar,
Efectivamente, Agustín López de la Cerda (el mozo) contrajo matrimonio el 3 de junio de 1667 con María de Isla y Sotomayor (aka María de las Roelas, María de Islas) en Aguascalientes. María de Isla y Sotomayor, originaria de Sierra de Pinos, es hija de Andrés Martín de Sotomayor y María de Isla y Moctezuma. Como te habrás dado cuenta, en ese tiempo usaban los apellidos en el orden que mas les convenía o que les sonaba mejor, ya que los nombres de pila se repetían en las familias por varias generaciones.
Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA
----- Original Message -----
From: edgar_eemo@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill figueroa
estaba checando algunos datos
los cuales me enfoque con el matrimonio
de agustin lopez de la cerda y maria de isla
como se menciona con matrimonio de 3 de junio 1667 en aguascalientes,
encontre este matrimonio y me di cuenta
que agustin lopez se caso con maria de roelas y que maria de isla
es madre de maria de roelas
tengo dudas
saludos
Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola
te lo agradezco mucho amigaa
investigare por esa linea
por los padres de maria de isla o
aver si consigo esas lineas
mil gracias sinceramente
saludos
estamos en contacto
bye
agustin lopez de la cerda y maria ruelas
buen dia bill Figueroa
estaba checando en mis apuntes sobre esta pareja de agustin lopez de la cerda y maria de las ruelas casados el 03 junio 1667 Aguascalientes en este registro matrimonial solo se mencionan los padres de maria pero los de agustin no.
como conectaron que agustin lopez de la cerda y lucia rodriguez de victoria son los padres de agustin esposo de maria de la ruelas?
hay alguna dispensa?
un testamento que acredite esta conexión?
gracias por la atención prestada
saludos
Lopez de la Serda
Edgar Olguin Diaz
HOLA BILL
UN CORDIAL SALUDO
UNA PREGUNTA
COMO PUEDO DEMOSTRAR QUIENES ERAN LOS PADRES DE ANTONIO LOPEZ DE LA CERDA ESPOSO DE JOSEPHA ALONSO DE LOS HINOJOS?
TENGO DOCUMENTADO QUE LORENZA LOPEZ DELA SERDA VIUDA DE DIEGO DELGADO CASADA CON IGNACIO RUIZ EN EL DISPENSA SE MENCIONAN LOS PADRES DE LORENZA QUE SON ANTONIO LOPEZ DE LA SERDA Y JOSEPHA ALONSO DE LOS HINOJOS.Y EN EL MATRIMONIO DE ESTA ULTIMA PAREJA SOLAMENTE SE MENCIONAN LOS PADRES DE JOSEPHA ALONSO DE LOS HINOJOS LOS DE ANTONIO DICE QUE SE DESCONOCEN LOS PADRES .
EXISTEN ALGUN DOCUMENTO DONDE PUEDA DEMOSTRAR QUIENES ERAN SUS PADRES ?
UNA DISPENSA O UN TESTAMENTO?
TE LO AGRADECERIA MUCHO
QUE TENGAS UN BUEN DIA
SALUDOS
Agustin dela Cerda
Does anyone know whether Bill Figueroa is still part of this group? I was researching a recent find where my ancestors are from this family line, specifically Simona Lopes de la Cerda and Nicolas Martin. I'd like to find Bill's sources to keep on researching this family line. Thank you.
"Lopez de la Serda
Submitted by Bill Figueroa on Sun, 2012-07-08 02:45.
Juan, Alice & Jose,
. . .
Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucia Rodriguez de Victoria had three children: Agustin, Josepha and Simona Lopez de la Cerda. Agustin (el mozo) married Maria de Isla y Sotomayor 3 Jun 1667 in Aguascalientes. Josepha married Isidro Martin de Sotomayor (date unknown) and Simona married Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor (17 Sep 1667) in Teocaltiche. Nicolas, Isidro and Maria were brothers and sister. As far as I know, only the children of Agustin and Maria carried the surname Lopez de la Cerda in Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes.
. . .
Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA"