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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone in the Forum tell me what this says about my ancestor Pedro
Macias Valades. It doesnt look like it says the same stuff as usual

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-148834-26?cc=1502404…

Danny C. Alonso

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Martha Gomez

9 years ago

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También dice que se le dio sepultura en la parroquia más abajo del altar de san Lorenzo

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> On Oct 15, 2015, at 12:58 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:
>
> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Could someone in the Forum tell me what this says about my ancestor Pedro
> Macias Valades. It doesnt look like it says the same stuff as usual
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-148834-26?cc=1502404…
>
> Danny C. Alonso

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Martha Gomez

9 years ago

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Al lado dice que no recibió los sacramentos ni testo porque su muerte fue de repente
Dice que fue marido de Luisa Villegas

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> On Oct 15, 2015, at 12:58 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:
>
> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Could someone in the Forum tell me what this says about my ancestor Pedro
> Macias Valades. It doesnt look like it says the same stuff as usual
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-148834-26?cc=1502404…
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Dice en la villa de Aguascalientes22 septiembre de 1649 años falleció repentinamente P Macías Valadez marido de Luisa de Villegas , no recibió los sacramentos porque se cayo muerto no testo, diosele sepultura en esta parroquia un poco más abajo de San Lorenzo diosele misa de cuerpo presente
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> On Oct 15, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Martha Gomez wrote:
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> También dice que se le dio sepultura en la parroquia más abajo del altar de san Lorenzo
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 12:58 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:
>>
>> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>>
>> Could someone in the Forum tell me what this says about my ancestor Pedro
>> Macias Valades. It doesnt look like it says the same stuff as usual
>>
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-148834-26?cc=1502404…
>>
>> Danny C. Alonso

Thank you Martha and Juan and RJQ for all your help. RJQ, who is your
Macias from Nochistlan? I'd be interested to see if he connects to my
Maciases.

Danny C. Alonso

This person's name was Clara Masias who merried Nicolas Lozano (I suspect he is from the Lozano related to the Sandobal) but I couldn't go beyond this couple, specially when I have to put more weight on other lines, I remember seen Masias and Lozano in Aguascalientes but never manage to have further links on them. This couple had kids in the 1710-20's in Nochistlán, I guess this Clara Masias could been born in 1700 more or less. I think she could have other name than Clara, but the only three records I found only mention her with this one.

I too have this couple in Nochistlan. My connection is their son Nicolas married to Josepha Quirarte in Nochistlan on 02 of Oct. 1743. Aka as Clara Maria Macias Valades, she died on the 18th of June 1724 in Nochistlan image # 239. This happened a year later after the birth of her third son Antonio born on the 31st of March 1723 in Nochistlan Zac.

Thank you Saul for this piece of information, except for a few years, I haven't had a chance to see the burial records of Nochistlán.

Then if Nicolas was also their son that makes a least four children, right?. I always suspected that the Lozano (three of them) that married with the Quiralte where related if not siblings, this confirms me that a least Nicolas and Joseph Laureano where brothers, the third would be María Lozano married with Victorio Caietano Q.

And Clara is after all from the Macias Valades. I, by the way, descend from Joseph L. Lozano and Estefana Lorenza Q. siblings in each side of your ancestors Nicolas and Josepha.

RJQ I also have Estefana Lorenza's parents(Joseph Quirarte and Leonor de Robles) in another family line. As per marriage doc for Joseph Losano and Maria Lorenza Quirarte dated 05 May 1735 in Nochistlan image # 429. I have to check my notes on the Quirartes to see what other information I have on Joseph and Leonor. I will get back to you.

Thank you Saul, I do have information on them, since Quirarte is my paternal surname I did research just a bit more on that side, you can see my notes here, I haven't updated for more than a year but other than finding that Joseph Quiralte had a sister living in Nochistlán, that is pretty much all I have so far. There I also have Ma. Josepha and Nicolas kids and Josepha's second marriage/family.

Thanks RJQ for the information found in the link you provided. I descend also from Joseph Thadeo Quirarte and Juana Maria Leonel de Cervantes. With the marriage of their daughter Maria Magdalena Quirarte to Joseph Pablo Perez Sotelo on the 22nd of June 1750 in Nochistlan image # 367.
Here is the link. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15185-42637-21?cc=1804458&wc…

That is interesting, there are many re-connections on these families, I do remember that marriage, the information for it is rather "descriptive", I always though that Ma. Magdalena "push" Joseph Pablo to marry her sooner and ahead of her sister's marriage, all while her parents weren't home it seems.

Thanks for link, I definitely would like to see Leonor's Entierro if you don't mind, she is still for the most part unknown to me.

A couple of years ago I was placing together a tree in FamilySearch but decided (after many incorrect information been placed by others) to live it along, I go there once in a while and try to correct some data, in any case, I think it still has most of the attachements I originally placed with the individuals, you can see them starting with Joseph Quiralte, by now you probably have more information, but just in case you may find something else, I just did through (and incompletely) Joseph's grand kids, exept for my line that goes to my grandparents.

RJQ I have an index of the entierros on legal pads for most of the people buried in Nochistlan. Here are some of the ones that are related to you and I.

Leonor de Robles dated 20th Feb. 1762 image # 421 link below

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-44562-7?cc=1804458&wc=…

Marcos Leonel Servantes 30th Dec.1761 image # 419 husband to Maria Josepha Quirarte.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-44479-27?cc=1804458&wc…

Maria Losano wife to Cayetano Quirarte dated 16th Jan. 1761 image # 413

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-44933-2?cc=1804458&wc=…

Lorenza Quirarte wife to Laureano Losano dated 15th Apr. 1764 image # 484.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-44804-2?cc=1804458&wc=…

Cayetano Quirarte husband to Maria Losano dated 05 Aug. 1766 image # 525

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-43915-8?cc=1804458&wc=…

Jph Thadeo Quirarte husband to Juana Ma. Cervantes dated 25th Jan 1768 image # 547

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-44082-80?cc=1804458&wc…

Laureano Losano husband to Lorenza Quirarte dated 13th Aug. 1770 image # 640

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-44108-73?cc=1804458&wc…

Thank you Saul, that is a lot of information there, nice work on the Defunciones. I see that Leonor outlived her husband for about twenty years, and this families seems to have some wealth too, very interesting.

Also, are your ancestors by any chance related to the Rodriguez de Santa Ana? those are my direct ancestors by paternal line (at one point one them change his last name for Quiralte), But I haven't found much about them, they seem to be close or related to the Losano though, but I haven't make a definitive link. If is not too much to ask (I am already in debt for all this links you shared) would you tell me if you have seen Entierros of any people with the Rdgz de Sta. Ana last name? Once again thank you.

RJQ here are two entierros on the same image # 622.

Antonia Rodriguez married to Jph Quirarte dated 14 Feb. 1770

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-43360-81?cc=1804458&wc…

Juan Rodriguez de Santa Ana married to Nicolasa de Aguaio dated 21 Feb. 1770

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-43360-81?cc=1804458&wc…

I will check for more and will send them as i find them.

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jcaguayo

9 years ago

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Danny,

Unfortunately he did not receive the sacraments because he suddenly died.

Regards,
Juan

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Could someone in the Forum tell me what this says about my ancestor Pedro
> Macias Valades. It doesnt look like it says the same stuff as usual
>
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-148834-26?cc=1502404…
>
> Danny C. Alonso

It says that he (Pedro) died suddenly, and thus he did not received the sacraments neither he made a testament:

...fallecio repentinamente Po. Masias Balades español marido de Luissa de Villegas española, no recivio los Tos. Sacramentos, Porque secaio muerto (fell dead), No testo, diosele sepultura en esta Parrochial, Poco mas abaxo del altar de S. Lorenço. disele missa de cuerpo presste. y pa que conste...

By the way I have an ancestor with the Masias name in Nochistlán from the beggining of the 1700, but I end up with a dead end there, I wonder if they come from Aguascalientes.

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