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I'm trying to find the parents of Petrona de Sotomayor, the wife of
Bernardo Garcia de Leon, does anyone in the group know if Petrona de
Sotomayor that married Alvaro Marin de Peñalosa is the same Petrona de
Sotomayor that married Bernardo Garcia de Leon?

Paige

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Nandin

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You are very welcome. It was and still is truly my pleasure to share. It complements the joy of discovery.

I do not have access to my records right now. So I'm typing from memory. But I do recall some interesting info re Andres Martin, the husband of Maria de las Ruelas. The original couple. No, I don't know who their parents were, but in a later document Maria refers to her husband as Andres Martin Barriga.

In her very senior years Maria received an inheritance from a grandson. Shortly after that she was involved in a legal battle to prevent some of her children from taking over her affairs. I like Maria. She was feisty and gave those ingrates a documented tongue lashing. And that's where she mentions her husband's name. I'll provide details in about ten days.

Here's how I need help. I can scan my notes but then what? How do I make them available to Nuestros Ranchos? I'm not that savvy with the mechanics of posting. My first attempt was a disaster. I need very specific instructions. Thanks.

Mary Lou

Hello Mary Lou,

That is really such great information to know. I wish I knew that kind of details about all my ancestors. knowing that kind of stuff really makes the geneology exciting. Do you know if Maria won the legal battle?

About adding documents on the forum, I've done it before If you sign into the Nuestros Ranchos Forum, once you signed in on the right hand side under your name, you can click on Post a forum topic and then type your subject and pick geneology research forum, then under the Body of the message it'll say More information about formatting options and below that it'll say Notifications and below that File attachments, if you click on File attachments you can upload documents there. But, I noticed last time I did it that only people that were signed in could read it. theres probably easier ways to do it.

Armando uses something called Dropbox that can hold lots of pages of notes, but I don't know how to add them there,but that might be a better option cause then you just have to post a link that people can go to. You might want to ask him how to use it. The Dropbox is probably a better option if its several pages. Also, if you have more information like the stories about Maria de las Ruelas about other ancestors I know we would love to know about them. it really makes you feel like you know about them that way. Thank you so much Mary Lou.

Danny C. Alonso

Maria de las Ruelas won! Her son retracted his appeal, stating that he didn't want to alienate his mother and lose her affection. (He may have been too late.) I don't remember reading anything from the other two children involved.

Thanks for the instructions on posting data on Nuestros Ranchos. I have typed research, handwritten notebooks, scribbled abstracts, debatable theories and more that I would like to share. Would like to use both NR and Dropbox. How can I reach Armando?

Mary Lou

Hello Mary Lou,

Yay, I'm glad Maria won. That's great news. I love these kind of stories. About the Dropbox, I actually don't know Armando's email address. I don't get emails from everyone i think because of a system error, but his is one of the emails I don't recieve. but, I went to Dropbox and it looks pretty easy.

Here is the link: https://www.dropbox.com/?src=shmodel

if you go there it asks if you want to sign in with your google account. I just signed in with my gmail and then followed the instructions. It'll guide you to downloading the Dropbox on your computer. Then I think you just add stuff to the Dropbox on your computer and it allows you to share it with others.

Here is the link to getting started with Dropbox. I'm not an expert but i can still try and help. Maybe if Armando sees this post, he can offer more help

https://www.dropbox.com/s/er72dj7s7mh89r8/Get%20Started%20with%20Dropbo…

Danny C. Alonso

Hi Paige & Chris,

Here's an article on the genealogy of Juan Montañez, compiled by Mary Lou Montagna, from the Apr 2008 edition of Somoprimos: http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2008/spapr08/spapr08.htm#MEXICO

It's really well-researched, she even has baptism dates and marriage info for almost all of his children.

His daughter, Petrona de Sotomayor, married twice: first to Juan Salcido and then to Alvaro Marin. You can find her 01 Jun 1686 Testamento at the Aguascalientes Acervos Coloniales website.

I've been going through the San Luis Potosi Protocolos Notariales, looking for a digital copy of the testamento of Juan Montañez, but it's not on the 1648 nor 1649 rolls, so it's probably on one of the other rolls.

I did find a document regarding his daughter, Maria de Sotomayor (b. 04 Apr 1640). I thought she might have been the same Maria de Sotomayor, who married Felipe Gomez Galvan, 04 Jun 1682, in Aguascalientes, but she's not. She was married to Juan Diaz Melo, son of Diego Diaz Melo and Andrea de Molina, as per this notary record, dated 11 Sep 1660, San Luis Potosi. It's regarding a slave named Lorenzo, who was given to Maria de Sotomayor, by her grandmother, Maria de Ruelas:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-958X-4RG2?mode=
g&i=325&wc=MXBY-R23

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hello, All.

The Montanez, Sotomayor and Lopez de la Cerda are my ancestors. So are the Galvan de Rojas. So I have been reading your comments with much interest and later this month I will submit additional data.

I'm thrilled to see the San Luis Potosi notary archives online. Amazing availability. The SLP records are impressive. Some of them are from the 1500s. Perhaps the arid environment enhanced the longevity of the documents. Possibly because of their fragility not all of them were available for microfilming. Unfortunately, I think that is what happened with the will of Juan Montanez. I, too, cannot find it in the films online. But it and the codicil are in the archives. The testament still had some binding, but portions of the pages were badly deteriorated, crumbling and missing. I also remember finding the remnants of a document re Maria de las Ruelas. It was just a nub really, a few square inches. Everything had crumbled away. I suspect that was where she relinquished her obligations with her grandchildren.

But on a positive note. In one of my visits, an archivist helped me transcribe Don Juan's testament word for word. He read; I wrote. Several pages. I'd be happy to scan and post them....if someone can help me with that.

Be aware that in his will Don Juan only mentions the parents of his wives. Not the grandparents. Thinking back to when I prepared the paper for publication, I remember limiting the data to two generations above and two below. I had researched much more. Don't remember my rationale, but I was probably meeting a deadline and I'm an excellent procrastinator. I cannot take credit for the research on the ancestry of the first of the three wives. That was graciously provided by Jose Francisco Sauceda Andrade and the late Dr. J. Leon Helguera. Both excellent researchers. I did not include all their work.

Regards from Mary Lou Montagna

Hello Mrs. Montagna,

I descend from the Montanez and Sotomayor and de la Cerda family too and I really enjoyed your article on the Somos Primos and I would really be interested in seeing the whole will of Juan Montanez and any other information that you might have regarding this family. i'm really interested.

Danny C. Alonso

Hi Paige -

I don’t think the 2 Maria de Sotomayor’s are the same person. And though Juan Montañez and Maria de Sotomayor, could have had 2 daughters who went by the same name, I don’t think that is the case. I think Maria de Sotomayor who married Felipe Gomez Galvan is likely their granddaughter.

On their partida, she’s listed as daughter of Juan Montañez and Maria de San Martin. At first, I naturally thought “Maria de San Martin” was an alias of Maria de Sotomayor, daughter of Andres Martin Camacho and Maria de Ruelas. But Mary Lou mentions this couple in her article, under the entry for Juan Adriano, son of Juan Montañez and Maria de Sotomayor:

“3.    Juan Adriano was baptized 25 June 1634. I located a Pinos burial entry dated 27 Feb 1668 for Maria de San Martin, mujer de Juan Montanez. But, have not been able to confirm a connection with Juan Adriano.”

This Maria de San Martin and Juan Montañez would be the parents of your Maria de Sotomayor. The 1668 burial record establishes that Maria de San Martin and Maria de Sotomayor were not the same person, since the latter was buried 24 Aug 1643. Nor was this the same Juan Montañez, since he named only 3 wives in his Will. This one is likely his son, from his marriage to Maria de Sotomayor, since he named a daughter, "Maria de Sotomayor." To me, that’s the most likely scheme, we just need to find the records to confirm it.

Maria de Sotomayor, daughter of Juan Montañez and Maria de Sotomayor, b 14 Apr 1640, married Juan Diaz Melo around 1659-1660. They neglected to bless their marriage, and did so, 28 Jan 1667, San Francisco, Charcas SLP. Here’s their IM for the blessing:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GLJ-NBT?mode=g&i=156&wc=3…

Hi Mary Lou,

First of all, thank you for all of your incredible trailblazing work! I descend from Joseph Lopez de Avila, who married Josepha de Sotomayor, and you set me in the right direction, as far as researching these lines. I would love to see the Juan Montañez transcriptions, as well; how can we help you?

Gracias y Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hi Paige,

You're welcome. I was going through my notes for Sagrario San Luis Potosi, and I located Maria de Sotomayor as madrina on some baptisms. From the looks of it, Felipe Gomez Galvan died some time before Jul 1701, and Maria moved to SLP:

11 Jul 1701 Baptism of Antonio Xavier Mulato, madrina Maria de Sotomayor, viuda de Felipe Gomez Galban (bottom right):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GG2L-95SH?mode=g&i=497&wc=…

29 Mar 1702 Baptism of Joaquin Xavier Mulato, madrina Maria Montanez viuda de Felipe Gomez Caballero (bottom right):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9G2L-9P7F?mode=g&i=518&wc=…

Saludos!

Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hi Mary Lou,

Thank you for all your hard work and all the information you've provided us over the years. I too descend from the same families as you and I look forward to the additional data you're planning to post.

Chris

Manny,

That was a very informative article on Juan Montañez. Lots of genealogical
info. Thank you. I did have a question regarding the slave given to María
de Sotomayor. You mention that the María that received the slave was the
daughter of Juan Montañez and granddaughter of María de Ruelas and you
thought she might be the María de Sotomayor that married Felipe Gómez
Galván but she wasn't. Instead, she was married to Juan Díaz Melo. My
question is the María that was married to Felipe Gómez Galván is the
daughter of Juan Montañez and the granddaughter of María de Ruelas, so did
Juan Montañez have two daughters named María or is the María married to
Felipe Gómez Galván the same as the María married Juan Díaz Melo?

Paige

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iChristopher

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Hi Paige,

I descend from both couples and they lived around the same time but, Petrona de Sotomayor that married Álvaro Marín de Peñaloza was the daughter of Juan Montañez and María Martín de Sotomayor and the Petrona de Isla y Sotomayor that married Bernardo García de León, I have as the daughter of Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor and Juana de Aguiñaga y Diaques.

This is where it gets kind of complicated. On the testament of Bernardo García de León regarding his wife it says:

yttn declaro para descargo de mi conciencia que soy casado y velado infacie ecclesie según horden de nuestra santa madre yglesia con Petrona de Isla y Sotomaior hija lexitima de Nicolas Martin Camacho y Sotomaior y de Juana de Agui?

Now, it doesn't quite look like Aguiñaga, but, it definitely starts with Agui. Now, you have to look at the names Petrona de Isla y Sotomayor uses to make the connection. On the baptism of their son Cristobal, she goes by Petrona de Islas https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-3288-15?cc=1804458&wc=…

But, on the baptism of her son Francisco, she goes by the name Petrona Martín de Aguiñaga: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-3450-17?cc=1804458&wc=…

Now since, we know her father is Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor and her mother is Juana de something that starts Agui, and since we know Petrona uses the name Petrona Martín de Aguiñaga, I think it's safe to say that her mother is the Juana de Aguiñaga y Diaques that married Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor on 26 Apr 1654 in San Felipe, Guanajuato.

I believe this Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor is also the same as the Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor that's married to Simona López de la Cerda. There's a couple of reasons for this theory. First, he's already in his 40's when he marries Simona López de la Cerda and I think he was already widowed from Juana de Aguiñaga y Diaques, although, it doesn't say that on his marriage to Simona López de la Cerda and I can't find an IM. But, the Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor that's married to Simona López de la Cerda is already known to be the son of Andrés Martín de Sotomayor and María de Isla and if you look at the marriage of Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor and Juana de Aguiñaga y Diaques you can see that this Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor is also listed as the son of Andrés Martín and María de Isla: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20567-21853-62?cc=1860831…

Now since the testament lists Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor as Nicolas Martin Camacho y Sotomaior he has to descend from the same Andres Martin Camacho, so I don't see how the Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor that married Simona López de la Cerda can be different from the Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor that married Juana de Aguiñaga y Diaques.

Christopher de Cuellar

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