Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
Im looking for the parents of my ancestors Juan Colunga an Isabel Mendez
probly from Valle de San Francisco, San Luis Potosí where their children
married. i think they were born around 1680 or maybe a little earlier. im
hoping someone else in the group descends from them or has information on
them. thank you
Danny C. Alonso
checking dates before citing secondary sources.
Dear Danny,
It is important to check secondary sources before citing them as facts. Just because someone wrote something in a book stating that they have found the true line does not make it true. Many times It is hard to check other people's work but a good starting point is to check the dates. The proposed tree may sound true but just a check of the dates that you can find on some of the people in the tree will show that the tree is an impossibility. What sounds like a "good argument" will crumble when the birth dates make the tree impossible. There are exceptions like the Ruiz de Esparza tree which seemed impossible, but was only highly improbable, yet true, as I was able to use primary sources to prove that the majority of our concerned line between 1300's and the 1500's were born when their father was at a much older than average age.
Rick A. Ricci
Colunga en Juchipila
Hola Danny:
Fui a la biblioteca a revisar los Partidos y Padrones del Obispado de Michoacán, sobre San Luis Potosí pero no encontré a nadie de la familia Colunga hacia 1680.
Pero en la sección de Notarías de ésta misma página existen antecedentes de la venta de la hacienda de Juan de Colunga, difunto, que se remató en el Puesto de San Diego, Valle de Huejucar, Jurisdicción de Juchipila hacia 1656.
Saludos
Marcelina
Colunga en Juchipila
Marcelina,
Tienes más información sobre el "Puesto de San Diego" Debe ser la que hoy se le conoce como "La Hacienda de San Diego de la Labor" fue la hacienda con mayor extensión en esa zona. Fue adquirida por la familia de mi madre en 1828. No sabía que los Colunga Cortés tenían presencia en la zona de Huejúcar-Juchipila tan temprana en la colonial.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
Colunga en Juchipila
Hola Daniel:
Pues realmente no sabía que los Colunga hubieran estado en Juchipila, sino que buscando otra cosa encontré el registro notarial. Posteriormente busqué más información sobre la Hacienda pero no encontré gran cosa, ya que hay un libro sobre las Haciendas de Aguascalientes que incluye la región de Juchipila, pero se refiere al siglo XIX.
Saludos
Marcelina
Colunga en Juchipila
Danny,
In case you don't have Francisco's baptism record:
Francisco de Colunga y Méndez baptized on 14 Oct 1682 in Charcas, SLP who married Agustina Robledo de Rutiaga. If I remember correctly these are your ancestors? Francisco Colunga was a younger brother to my ancestor, José who would have been baptized in 1681.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
Colunga
Thanks Daniel, I really appreciate it. I was curious I remember you mentioning that the Colunga Cortes descend from hernan Cortes. Do you know how they connect to Cortes?
Patience is a Virtue that should be practiced
On a the post at the bottom of this page I had written a response to quotes attributed to Esteban Mira Caballos. The problem is that I should have waited until I had read Esteban Mira Caballos's book addressing the issues that are brought up by his quotes. I should have waited patiently until I had his written words in front of me instead of relying on someone else quoting him as he does address some of the issues that I bring up. He was also inaccurately quoted at times.
Esteban Mira Caballos Ones mentions one of the Castro family branches that I have studied. He doesn't address them as a branch but as a group of individuals surnamed Casto. I had already put many of the names that he mentions into their place in a family tree. This family branch is the one found to be in the service of the Kings as bookkeepers, escribanos, and physicians. He had not connected these individuals.
I don't know if Esteban Mira Caballos is correct regarding Fernan Cortez's paternal ancestry but he does put up a convincing argument. There Is still the issue of Esteban Mira Caballos denying the very existence of the paternal grandmother in the traditional lineage when we know that the woman did exist and that she is Fernan Cortez's great aunt in the family tree that he claims. I believe that this is the biggest chink in the armor of his argument. It is not the only chink in the armor. His conclusion of where the Monroy comes from is a reach. I see where he gets the descent from Lope Cortez but Maria Cortez de la Cueva also descends from him and instead of erasing her from the family tree, his comments helped find her paternal ancestry by opening up the case on Fernando Cortez's ancestry.
Now that I have collected more pieces to the puzzle, and read Esteban Mira Caballos's book, I can put together a family tree bringing together a few branches of the Cortex family showing how many of the individuals surnamed Cortez that Esteban Mira Caballos mentions when speaking about many of the Cortezs that he found in his research.
Though I can put together a family tree based on his assertions and my pieces to the puzzle that extends to the 1200's, I am not totally convinced that we should throw out the traditional paternal ancestry of Fernan Cortez. I need to do more research to see if I share his same conclusions. In the meantime, I will have both family trees in my records.
Rick A. Ricci
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Martin Cortez y Monroy's parents?
Submitted by R.A.Ricci on Mon, 2017-02-13 09:09.
Dear Danny,
I have read what others have written quoting him and not his book. I don't know if the quotes are accurate so I should wait to read Esteban Mira Caballos's book first before commenting. I should wait, but I will go on a limb and respond as if these quotes are accurate. The story showing the descent from Gilgo Cortesio to Lope Cortez is weak as Lope could not have been his son as there are many centuries between them and there are many missing generations. Lope is a strong beginning point for many people working on their Cortez genealogy but the problem is that there are most likely more than one Lope as there are different trees constructed from Lope. The tree that he uses does not include a "son" of Lope that i actually found information on . This son has many children and descendants that actually are in the service of the Kings of Castilla after King Ferdinand and Queen Isabel pass away. These Cortezs were receiving benefits from the Kings when Cortez was being ignored in his last days. Besides the Cortez Monroy branch you also have a Cortez del Rey Branch that also claims descendancy from Lope Cortez
Esteban Mira Caballos Is quoted as writing that the supposed father Fernando Monroy only had one son named Rodrigo Monroy so he couldn't be the father of Martin Cortez y Monroy, but his argument is off here as Rodrigo/(Ruy) Monroy is the supposed father Of Martin Cortez Monroy. Why is he arguing that Fernando Monroy is not the father? Why? Why isn't he arguing that Rodrigo Monroy isn't the father.
Esteban Mira Caballos Is also quoted as writing that Maria Cortez de la Cueva and her parents did not exist and that someone made them up. They did exist and there is evidence that they exist so why is he attacking their existence?i
In the Fernando Cortez ancestry that I learned as a teenager the paternal grandparents weren't married. So if the given ancestry all ready addresses the point that Martin Cortez's parents aren't married when he is born then why argue that he couldn't be of this family as there is no record of a marriage? So I ask again, why is Esteban Mira Caballos quoted saying this is proof that Martin comes from a different family.
Esteban Mira Caballos Is quoted as saying that Maria Cortez de la Cueva did not exist but the person quoting him has her listed in the family tree as a great aunt of Martin Cortez.
The Cortez /Cortesio family is supposedly Italian that immigrated to what was the border at the Pyrenhees but this immigration happened many centuries before we find people putting together a family tree on the Cortez's. The story on this surname is so long that it predates the way surnames were used at the base of the Pyrenees. The surnames used here were usually geographical names.
Esteban Mira Caballos Does not address the issue that most family members are involved in careers that involve much education and that a high percentage of them doctors, bookkeepers, and escribanos which are jobs often taken by Jews. Many family trees were intentionally changed to hide the fact that there was a strong Jewish lineage in their family tree,
Esteban Mira Caballos Does an excellent job in explaining Fernan Cortez's Pizarro ancestry through his maternal side, the Pizarro/Hinojosos. Esteban Mira Caballos Explains how his supposed second cousin Pizarro was actually his second cousin once removed as it was his mother that is the second cousin to Conquistador Pizarro. He does not show it, but I have the ancestry of this line going back to King Henry Ii and Queen Eleonore of England.
Esteban Mira Caballos May have discoverered the correct lineage on Fernan Cortez but all the red flags that I see flying back and forth are making me reserve judgement until I see the actual evidence.
I believe that Esteban Mira Caballos may be on the right track but I had originally believed Guillermo Tovar de Teresa when he came up with a different Romo Rangel ancestry. Guillermo Tovar de Teresa said he had proof of his assertions but he never presented them and I am still waiting for someone to come up with proof of the real Romo Rangel tree. I believe that Esteban Mira Caballos's clarification of The Pizzaro tree was equally as important as straightening out Fernan Cortez's paternal line. Besides the Pizarro cleanup, I feel that finding out that he always signed his first name with an F was interesting.
I have also learned a lot about the Cortez family tree but feel that although I have collected many pieces, I have not Collected enough information yet to get a clear picture of how the different branches are related. I do have a few branches mapped out.
Rick A. Ricci
Cortes y Monroy
Mr. Ricci,
thank you for providing this information and clearing up any confusion about Esteban Mira Caballos work. i have cited him as a reference and relied on his work even though it's a secondary source it seemed very well researched. so, im glad that you think he makes a good argument.
Danny C. Alonso
Martin Cortez's descent from Lope Cortez
Dear Danny,
I am sorry that I said "good argument." There is and should be some confusion as there are "chinks in the armor". I can't find any information on Nuno Cortez señor de Molina. And Maria Cortez de Cueva did exist and was part of the family tree that he is saying that Fernan Cortez is from. There is a strong possibility that the line he was attempting to throw shade at he actually built up. I wish that I could see "all the pieces" that he has in front of him and I wish he had the pieces that I have in front of me so he could change part of his arguement. I should argue the strengths of the other argument so that you can see that both trees should be cited. I should explain what parts we know for sure, and what parts come from secondary sources.
We know who Lope Cortez descends from and he shares some of the same ancestors as Rodrigo Fernandez Monroy. We also have information on some of the Cortez branches that spread out and are considerered his cousins (not first). I have created three branches of these cousins as each branch descends from Lope. But one of the branches that has primary sources and is very solid is not listed as a son of Lope by "people in Esteban Mira Caballos's camp."
There are too many red flags to just accept it as if he had primary sources. I believe that instead of dismantling the Fernandez/Cortez de la Cueva argument, he has added fuel to the fire by providing an opposing argument that it is Rodrigo Fernandez Monroy's father who had an outside of marriage relationship with Maria Cortez Cueva, and that there is an added generation that he has provided which explains all the added pieces.
We have many pieces, both Esteban Mira Caballos and I, but I think he is missing some of my pieces, and I am missing some of his pieces. We need to bring out all the pieces to light to bring about the "good argument." We need to clean up the generations between Lope Cortez and Martin Cortez.
Rick A. Ricci
Juan Colunga and Isabel
Danny C. Alonso and Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino have brought me more research projects with the Colunga Mendez and Fernan Cortez de Monroy ancestries.
I became interested in this family after Danny C Alonso asked for information on them. Marcelina, Paige, Simona, Chris, and Daniel (Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino) added more information that threw me deep into researching these lines. I eagerly await Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino's book since his comments lead me to believe that these lines connect with other lines that I have been studying over the years.
The person that we often call Conquistador Hernan Cortez signed his name Fernan(do) and not Hernan. Yes he was also known as Fernando, Hernando, and Hernan as the "F" and the "H" were interchangeable in that century.
Esteban Mira Caballos has made errors in the genealogy that he presents on Cortez's ancestral line. The source that he cites has errors. I believe that many of these errors are because generations are skipped in both the tree that he presents and the traditional tree. Maria Cortez and her husband did exist, contrary to his statement. The traditional tree shows her as Fernan Cortez's grandmother while Esteban Mira Caballos presents her relative as his ancestor. Both lines show Fernan Cortez's descending from the Italian family Cortesio that had immigrated to the border of France and what we now call Spain. Esteban Mira Caballos does provide some information on the people in the tree, but more research is needed to take into account all the pieces of the puzzle. Additionally Fernan Cortez's parents are distantly related as the mother descends from some of the same ancestral lines in question.
The family from Holland that claimed a blood relationship to Cortez are correct as there was a family member in Cortez's family tree that fits the description of their ancestor. However some members of this Dutch family claimed direct descent from Fernan Cortez and this is not true as their ancestor is a great uncle of Fernan Cortez in both the traditional family tree and the one provided by Esteban Mira Caballos.
Juan Conlunga and Isabel
Mr. Ricci,
can you tell us which part of Esteban Mira Caballos theory is wrong and do you have the correct ancestors that you can tell us
Danny C. Alonso
Martin Cortez y Monroy's parents?
Dear Danny,
I have read what others have written quoting him and not his book. I don't know if the quotes are accurate so I should wait to read Esteban Mira Caballos's book first before commenting. I should wait, but I will go on a limb and respond as if these quotes are accurate. The story showing the descent from Gilgo Cortesio to Lope Cortez is weak as Lope could not have been his son as there are many centuries between them and there are many missing generations. Lope is a strong beginning point for many people working on their Cortez genealogy but the problem is that there are most likely more than one Lope as there are different trees constructed from Lope. The tree that he uses does not include a "son" of Lope that i actually found information on . This son has many children and descendants that actually are in the service of the Kings of Castilla after King Ferdinand and Queen Isabel pass away. These Cortezs were receiving benefits from the Kings when Cortez was being ignored in his last days. Besides the Cortez Monroy branch you also have a Cortez del Rey Branch that also claims descendancy from Lope Cortez
Esteban Mira Caballos Is quoted as writing that the supposed father Fernando Monroy only had one son named Rodrigo Monroy so he couldn't be the father of Martin Cortez y Monroy, but his argument is off here as Rodrigo/(Ruy) Monroy is the supposed father Of Martin Cortez Monroy. Why is he arguing that Fernando Monroy is not the father? Why? Why isn't he arguing that Rodrigo Monroy isn't the father.
Esteban Mira Caballos Is also quoted as writing that Maria Cortez de la Cueva and her parents did not exist and that someone made them up. They did exist and there is evidence that they exist so why is he attacking their existence?
In the Fernando Cortez ancestry that I learned as a teenager the paternal grandparents weren't married. So if the given ancestry all ready addresses the point that Martin Cortez's parents aren't married when he is born then why argue that he couldn't be of this family as there is no record of a marriage? So I ask again, why is Esteban Mira Caballos quoted saying this is proof that Martin comes from a different family.
Esteban Mira Caballos Is quoted as saying that Maria Cortez de la Cueva did not exist but the person quoting him has her listed in the family tree as a great aunt of Martin Cortez.
The Cortez /Cortesio family is supposedly Italian that immigrated to what was the border at the Pyrenhees but this immigration happened many centuries before we find people putting together a family tree on the Cortez's. The story on this surname is so long that it predates the way surnames were used at the base of the Pyrenees. The surnames used here were usually geographical names.
Esteban Mira Caballos Does not address the issue that most family members are involved in careers that involve much education and that a high percentage of them doctors, bookkeepers, and escribanos which are jobs often taken by Jews. Many family trees were intentionally changed to hide the fact that there was a strong Jewish lineage in their family tree,
Esteban Mira Caballos Does an excellent job in explaining Fernan Cortez's Pizarro ancestry through his maternal side, the Pizarro/Hinojosos. Esteban Mira Caballos Explains how his supposed second cousin Pizarro was actually his second cousin once removed as it was his mother that is the second cousin to Conquistador Pizarro. He does not show it, but I have the ancestry of this line going back to King Henry Ii and Queen Eleonore of England.
Esteban Mira Caballos May have discoverered the correct lineage on Fernan Cortez but all the red flags that I see flying back and forth are making me reserve judgement until I see the actual evidence.
I believe that Esteban Mira Caballos may be on the right track but I had originally believed Guillermo Tovar de Teresa when he came up with a different Romo Rangel ancestry. Guillermo Tovar de Teresa said he had proof of his assertions but he never presented them and I am still waiting for someone to come up with proof of the real Romo Rangel tree. I believe that Esteban Mira Caballos's clarification of The Pizzaro tree was equally as important as straightening out Fernan Cortez's paternal line. Besides the Pizarro cleanup, I feel that finding out that he always signed his first name with an F was interesting.
I have also learned a lot about the Cortez family tree but feel that although I have collected many pieces, I have not Collected enough information yet to get a clear picture of how the different branches are related. I do have a few branches mapped out.
Rick A. Ricci
Royal Trees
I don't know if you had time to review the book "Historia de la Casa (different royals houses and their trees are included) by Don Luis de Salazar y Castro Ano M.DC.XCVI.
M=1000, DC=600, XC=90, and VI=6 (1696) the link is in the middle of this conversation with Danny. It is 700+ pages, I believe I saw Casa de Molina in this book.
Danny, on p179 is the small and dramatic story of Dona Margarita, Senora de Ledesma. The translation of part of the story can be found in NuestrosRanchos. Later I read a little more of her calamities as a beautiful widow with great property and how she was stolen by a guy named Nunez, who had plans to kill her but her beauty mesmerized him and instead said they could run away together through a back stairway before the others came. An old fellow challenged him to a duel to try and save her so he Nuno put her down and killed the anciano, when he tried to pick her up again, she grabbed his dagger. he was gravely wounded.
The author states that in another book they go more into the story of Infante D. Sancho. So I'll look and see if it available on google.
Royal Trees
Hi Simona,
i tried to read it but my Spanish is still not that good. and the writing
is difficult for me to read. its written in a strange writing. but, i
really was just tryin to see what the connection is between them and our
inez de Paz.
Danny C. Alonso
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:39 AM, wrote:
> I don't know if you had time to review the book "Historia de la Casa
> (different royals houses and their trees are included) by Don Luis de
> Salazar
> y Castro Ano M.DC.XCVI. M=1000, DC=600, XC=90, and VI=6 (1696) the link is
> in
> the middle of this conversation with Danny. It is 700+ pages, I believe I
> saw
> Casa de Molina in this book. Danny, on p179 is the small and dramatic story
> of Dona Margarita, Senora de Ledesma. The translation of part of the story
> can be found in NuestrosRanchos. Later I read a little more of her
> calamities
> as a beautiful widow with great property and how she was stolen by a guy
> named Nunez, who had plans to kill her but her beauty mesmerized him and
> instead said they could run away together through a back stairway before
> the
> others came. An old fellow challenged him to a duel to try and save her so
> he
> Nuno put her down and killed the anciano, when he tried to pick her up
> again,
> she grabbed his dagger. he was gravely wounded. The author states that in
> another book they go more into the story of Infante D. Sancho. So I'll look
> and see if it available on google.
>
Stories of Dona Juana and her Mother in law Margarita
Both stories (shorten, my Spanish not the great as well) have been translated and Dona Juana the mother of Don Pedro Perez child of Infante Don Sancho del Castilla (de la Paz)
In another post, the story of Dona Juana and in the Files of Nuestro Ranchos is Margaritas.
Stories of Dona Juana and her Mother in law Margarita
Thank you Simona for translating them. I will read them now.
Danny C. Alonso
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:24 AM wrote:
> Both stories (shorten, my Spanish not the great as well) have been
> translated
> and Dona Juana the mother of Don Pedro Perez child of Infante Don Sancho
> del
> Castilla (de la Paz) In another post, the story of Dona Juana and in the
> Files of Nuestro Ranchos is Margaritas.
>
Juan Colunga and Isabel
Dear Danny,
I had not previously studied Juan Colunga and Isabel Mendoza since I don't have them as ancestors. The information that I provided was information that I collected after you asked for help. The information that I posted, plus the information that others have contributed to this thread, connects to A common ancestor of the De La. Torre Ledesma family. I have not posted my results on the De la Torre Ledesma ancestry, but it will be in a book that I am writing. I still need to verify the information that others have posted on this thread.
Rick A. Ricci
Juan Colunga and Isabel
My information and the rest of the documents I plan to publish on the Torres y Rivera, Paz y Monroy, Anso Téllez are all verified.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
Juan Colunga and Isabel
While the information presented is only one path, I'm sure there are others, one of which you have found.
I look forward to your published book as it would be very valuable to me and many others. I hope it will be soon as my uncle will be 96 this November, I would love to present him with his ancestry. Do you have information on the Rivas?
Thank you for your dedication. Simona
Juan Colunga and Isabel
Dear Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino,
I look forward to your book. Until these past couple of weeks, I had not studied this branch of the family. it is great to find another connection between the 16th century immigrants.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Inés de Paz
Hola a todos:
Hay información de que Inés de Paz fue heredera tanto de Pedro de Paz como de su tío Francisco Nuñez, relator del Consejo de Indias, en el Portal Pares, para quien intente profundizar más.
Hola Simona:
Si puedes hacer ahora la genealogía podría ser mejor que se la fueras dando a tu tío en episodios en lugar de esperar hasta noviembre pues ya es muy mayor y es demasiada información.
Yo tengo unas tías mayores y les he dado resúmenes de cada rama de la familia y están encantadas.
Saludos
Marcelina
Inés de Paz
Marcelina, gracias por la informacion pero no se nada de Pares, pero lo intente y puse "Ines de Paz" "Pedro de Paz" y "Francisco Nunez" y mucho de varios nombres de Paz pero no lo que buscaba. Asi que tambien busque "Francisco Nunez relator del Consejo de Indias" y me salio su testimonio de Fraude de Hernan Cortes. Todo fue en busqueda sencillo. Que no hice bien? Gracias.
Tienes razon sobre mi Tio y eso tome encuenta y por eso quiero juntar lo que puede sin duda nincuna sobre los ancestors y se lo doy en medianos de April a todos los hijos asi ellos se lo puende decir y platicar con el cuantas veces que el quiera.
Juan Colunga and Isabel
But if Ines Gomez de Paz is the illegitimate daughter of Martin Cortes and it was Martin Cortes that was the one that marries the Monroy then am I missing something?
Ashlynn
Juan Colunga
Hi Ashlynn,
I do agree that Inés Gómez de Paz is the daughter of Martín Cortés el Viejo and half sister of Martín Cortés de Monroy and therefore could not be a descendant of the Monroy, so, the only other possibility is for Juana de Torres Rivera y Paz Cortés de Monroy, in addition to descending from Inés Gómez de Paz, through her mother, also descends from the Cortés de Monroy through her father, Juan de Torres.
Chris
Another Adrianzen
while going through the marriages of Sagrario, San Luis Potosi, I found a marriage of Joan Miguel Calderon, Mercader de Espana con Dona Juana de Adrianzen (Juana Morales) b. 1609 in Mexico City, hija de Anna de Adrianzen y Jorge Morales.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GLC-9YS
I can only guess that Anna is sister to Isabel and came to San Luis Potosi, after her husband passed.
Portal pares
Hola Simone:
Puedes consultar el Portal Pares yendo a búsqueda avanzada, poner por ejemplo Ines Paz Nueva España, elegir el periodo de tiempo entre 1500 y 1649, luego elegir entre los Archivo Archivo General de Indias. Y así te abre un menú con diferentes archivos en los que puedes buscar.
Mejor sería que le escribieras cartas a tu tío cada mes porque a veces los hijos no valoran tanto la información como los mayores, así la guardaría y podría leerla cuantas veces quiera. Crearías algo de suspenso como en aquellas novelas por entregas.
Saludos
Marcelina
Don Pedro Perez (de Paz)
I just uploaded to the files a semi translation of the history of Don Pedro Perez y the story of Dona Juana Senora de Ledesma casada con Infante D. Sancho del Castilla (de Paz). If those who are more knowlegeable in translating who view the translation could add corrections i would be most appreciative. The Spanish version is included. at the end it mentions Mr. Salazar and I did not understand what he meant at the end. I looked it up and his book is available as a download see the following title.
HISTORIA GENEALOGICA
DE LA CASA
DE LARA,
JUSTIFICADA
CON INSTRUMENTAS, Y ESCRITORES
DE INVIOLABLE FE.
fOR DON LVIS DE SALAZAR T CASTRO^
Comendaderde Zurita , y Fiscalde la Orden de Ca/airava ydela
Camarade S. M.y /uCoronistaMayor.
DIVIDIDA EN XX. LIBROS.
de paz
Simona,
i cant find it. do you have the link
Danny C. Alonso
link to book
https://books.google.com/books/about/Historia_Genealogica_De_La_Casa_De…
de Paz
Simona,
my spanish isnt that good, does the book say how they connect to our Paz family
Danny C. Alonso
Dona Juana Senora de Ledesma
the narrator of part of the story of Dona Juana Senora de Ledesma (see download in Nuestrosranchos) is the same as the author of this book in the very end he states that he is related to the the deceased person with the Epitaph leaving its readers with the doubt that Don Pedro Perez was the legitimate son of Infante D. Sancho del Castilla. I have not read the book yet sidetracked with other projects. I will try to make out what the epitaph means and relates to de Paz. Perhaps someone who can better understand this like Mr. Rick could explain.
Oh, and special thanks to Marcelina for showing us the way to this document. Gracias Marcelina.
Another Adrianzen
Sarrod77 (I did not catch your name),
'
In the book Diccionario biográfico de antiguos pobladores de San Luis Potosí 1592-1666 /, Rafael Morales Bocardo, (San Luis Potosí, S.L.P., México : H. Ayuntamiento, San Luis Potosí, 2012-2015 : Archivo Histórico del Estado, San Luis Potosí : El Colegio de San Luis, 2014.), pgs. 10, 11, 441." It mentions Da. Isabel Adriansen (castillianzied to Da. Isabel de Adrián) and her brother, D. Pedro de Adriansen, Comerciante en el Cerro de San Pedro, San Luis Potosí as children of D. Cornelio (Cornelius) Adriansen (de Adrián) and his wife Da. Juana Xureda, the couple were residents in Sanlúcar de Barrameda in Cádiz, Andalucía, D. Cornelio was born in Bruges, Fladers, Belgium (as they were under Spanish dominion).
This Da. Ana de Adriansen you located, could be another daughter of D. Cornelio and Da. Juana Xureda, or a daughter of D. Pedro de Adriansen, I will look into this and report what I find.
Thank you for the record and sharing it with us.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
Another Adrianzen
When I say Cornelio and María were residents in Sanlúcar, I mean they were at one point living there and traveled to the New World where they made their way to San Luis Potosí, their family becoming an early family.
Daniel MdTC
Another Adrianzen
Da. Juana de Adriansen was baptized on 31 Dec 1609 in the Cathedral of México
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-65BF-K6?i=628&wc=3PX8-168%…
She was the daughter--as her marriage record to D. Juan Miguel Calderón states--of D. Jorge de Morales and Da. Juana de Adriansen.
I have also begun to analyze how the Adriansen name was passed down. We have:
I. Da. Juana de Adriansen (daughter) of
II. Da. Juana de Adriansen (she is either the daughter of D. Pedro de Adriansen y Xureda, Comerciante in the Cerro de S. Pedro or a sister of this D. Pedro
III. Da. Isabel de Adriansen, daughter of D. Cornelio y Da. Juana, sister to D. Pedro, and spouse of D. François de Rutiaga Mester, owner of the Hacienda de los Bledos and silver mongul of San Luis Potosí, he died between 30 May 1627 and 19 Mar 1633, possibly in Villa de Reyes, SLP. Both of their daughters (IV and V) used Adriansen:
IV. Da. Antonia de Adriansen spouse of D. Pedro Pérez de Sardaneta y Legaspi, another silver mongul in SLP, miner by profession and owner of the Palace of Sardaneta in Arenaza, Vizcaya. Da. Antonia used Adriansen in the baptismal record of their daughter Da. Francisca on 16 Nov 1644 in Pozos, SLP. D. Pedro and Da. Antonia are direct ancestors of the House of the Marquis of San Juan de Rayas. It is presumed (opinion) that three silver estates of Sardaneta, Adriansen and Rutiaga entered the house of Sardaneta thus favoring the King to grant the Marquisate of San Juan de Rayas to the family for financing certain royal projects, construction of temples, etc and the fact the satus and influence of the family kept expanding rapidly.
V. Da. María de Adriansen baptized 18 Mar 1619 (a link to her record precedes a couple of posts) spouse of D. Benito Martín de la Orta, Comerciante (I believe he was a penínsular, not proven yet) Da. María used Adriansen in the baptism record of their son D. José Martín de la Orta y Rutiaga on 16 Nov 1644 in Pozos, SLP. This line married into the Colunga Cortés family and are ancestors of Danny Alonso here in the group. I descend from Danny's ancestor (D. Francisco de Colunga Cortés y Méndez Páez's brother) D. José de Colunga Cortés.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
Another Adrianzen
Daniel,
This is great stuff. i've been looking for the marriage of Benito martin de
la Orta but haven't found it. do you know if they married in San Luis
Potosi or do you happen to have a link to their marriage.
Danny C. Alonso
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 10:57 PM, wrote:
> Da. Juana de Adriansen was baptized on 31 Dec 1609 in the Cathedral of
> México
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-65BF-K6?i=628&w
> c=3PX8-168%3A122580201%2C125502002&cc=1615259
> She was the daughter--as her marriage record to D. Juan Miguel Calderón
> states--of D. Jorge de Morales and Da. Juana de Adriansen. I have also
> begun
> to analyze how the Adriansen name was passed down. We have: I. Da. Juana de
> Adriansen (daughter) of II. Da. Juana de Adriansen (she is either the
> daughter of D. Pedro de Adriansen y Xureda, Comerciante in the Cerro de S.
> Pedro or a sister of this D. Pedro III. Da. Isabel de Adriansen, daughter
> of
> D. Cornelio y Da. Juana, sister to D. Pedro, and spouse of D. François de
> Rutiaga Mester, owner of the Hacienda de los Bledos and silver mongul of
> San
> Luis Potosí, he died between 30 May 1627 and 19 Mar 1633, possibly in Villa
> de Reyes, SLP. Both of their daughters (IV and V) used Adriansen: IV. Da.
> Antonia de Adriansen spouse of D. Pedro Pérez de Sardaneta y Legaspi,
> another silver mongul in SLP, miner by profession and owner of the Palace
> of
> Sardaneta in Arenaza, Vizcaya. Da. Antonia used Adriansen in the baptismal
> record of their daughter Da. Francisca on 16 Nov 1644 in Pozos, SLP. D.
> Pedro
> and Da. Antonia are direct ancestors of the House of the Marquis of San
> Juan
> de Rayas. It is presumed (opinion) that three silver estates of Sardaneta,
> Adriansen and Rutiaga entered the house of Sardaneta thus favoring the King
> to grant the Marquisate of San Juan de Rayas to the family for financing
> certain royal projects, construction of temples, etc and the fact the satus
> and influence of the family kept expanding rapidly. V. Da. María de
> Adriansen baptized 18 Mar 1619 (a link to her record precedes a couple of
> posts) spouse of D. Benito Martín de la Orta, Comerciante (I believe he was
> a penínsular, not proven yet) Da. María used Adriansen in the baptism
> record of their son D. José Martín de la Orta y Rutiaga on 16 Nov 1644 in
> Pozos, SLP. This line married into the Colunga Cortés family and are
> ancestors of Danny Alonso here in the group. I descend from Danny's
> ancestor
> (D. Francisco de Colunga Cortés y Méndez Páez's brother) D. José de
> Colunga Cortés. Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
>
>
Juan de colunga
Mr. Ricci
i missed your post in betwen all the responses. how do the colunga family connec to the de la torre ledesma family.
Danny C. Alonso
My connection to Colunga-Cortés
Danny,
These are my ancestors, thru my great grandmother, Da. Sara de Camino y Vázquez García-Rojas. D. José Antonio de Chávez Fragoso y Rivas married Da. Dolores de Coluna Cortés y Meléndez on 12 Feb 1748 in Villa de Reyes, SLP. He was the son of D. Alejandro de Chávez Fragoso y Da. Paula de Rivas Lozano and D. José de Colunga Cortés and Da. Francisca Meléndez, respectively.
D. Dolores de Colunga Cortés was baptized on 13 Apr 1731 in Villa de Reyes where her parents married on 15 Aug 1730. D. José de Colunga was baptized 13 Jan 1673 legitimate son of D. Juan de Colunga Cortés (III) and Da. Isabel Méndez Páez--I have not located a marriage record for Juan and Isabel. However, I can affirm D. Juan de Colunga marrying to his first wife Da. Josefa González on 3 Feb 1668 in the parish of Aguascalientes. He was the legitimate son of D. Juan de Colunga Cortés (II) "el mozo" to differentiate him from his father and Da. Gabriela de Anso Téllez y Torres de Rivera who were married on 19 Mar 1634 in Aguascalientes.
It is known that Da. Gabriela was the daughter of a wealthy comerciante (per the several financial records I have), D. Esteban de Anso y Téllez, a native of Mexico City and resident of Zacatecas and his wife, Da. Juana de Torres Rivera y Paz Cortés de Monroy, sister of the parish priest of Aguascalientes, el Bachiller D. Diego de Torres y Rivera whose will is in my possession. The Torres y Rivera family is very interesting as they held the Mayorazgos de Torres y Rivera in their own right and the Mayorazgo de Paz after the extinction of the male line of the Bribiesca-Vasconcellos it passed into the Torres y Rivera.
How do you connect to the Colunga Cortés?
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
My connection to Colunga-Cortés
Daniel,
Thank you for this information. I connect to Juan de Colunga Cortés through my 8x great grandfather Francisco de Colunga that married Agustina Rosa de Robledo in 1708 in San Luis Potosí:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GG9-KMR
On Juana de Torres Rivera y Paz Cortés de Monroy, where does the Cortés de Monroy come from?
Danny C. Alonso
Tale of two Juan de Colungas
mendezdetorres,
Great information on my 8th grandparents (Juan and Gabriela). Melendes, Rivas, Robledo Rutiaga seem to marry each other frequently among others. how did you know which juan de colunga was married to whom? The first Colunga is born in 1636 and I added him to Ysavel Mendes as I had not found Joan Colunga Anso until after I had merged records for Juan and Ysavel. Because the marriage record states JOAN Colunga married to Josepha Gonzales I thought it was a first marriage for both brothers until I found the marriage record but not the IM for Joseph Colunga
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GGS-Z2
Joseph married to Francisca de la Cruz Melendez, seems to have a big age difference either between his wife or he was born past the age of Ysavel Mendez.
Juan Colunga and Josepha Gonzalez
Hi,
I'm also following the line of Juan de Colunga and Isabel Mendez. I was reading the whole explanation about 2 juan's de colunga. I looked at the marriage of Juan de Colunga and Josepha Gonzalez on feb 3, 1668 in aguascalientes. The marriage says that both were "indios". I'm assuming that THIS juan de Colunga was someone that "worked" with the father or lived in the household and adopted the last name.
In the census of Aguascalientes in 1648 there is just (1) juan de Colunga (nino) living with his parents Juan de Colunga cortes and Graviela de Anso y telles su mujer.
I'm assuming that Juan de Colunga (nino) later married Isabel Mendez (I haven't found the marriage)
Also I noticed that Gabriela de Anso left a will. Does anyone have her will?
Thanks
susana
Juan Colunga and Josepha Gonzalez
Hi,
I'm also following the line of Juan de Colunga and Isabel Mendez. I was reading the whole explanation about 2 juan's de colunga. I looked at the marriage of Juan de Colunga and Josepha Gonzalez on feb 3, 1668 in aguascalientes. The marriage says that both were "indios". I'm assuming that THIS juan de Colunga was someone that "worked" with the father or lived in the household and adopted the last name.
In the census of Aguascalientes in 1648 there is just (1) juan de Colunga (nino) living with his parents Juan de Colunga cortes and Graviela de Anso y telles su mujer.
I'm assuming that Juan de Colunga (nino) later married Isabel Mendez (I haven't found the marriage)
Also I noticed that Gabriela de Anso left a will. Does anyone have her will?
Thanks
susana
My connection to Colunga-Cortés
Danny,
Good job on linking your Francisco de Colunga Cortés to the family tree, looking at the genealogy your lines suggests, your Andrea de Rutiaga y Orta is probably an aunt or another close relative of D. Vicente Manuel de Sardaneta y Legaspi, I Marqués de San Juan de Rayas, The Marquis' great grandmother was Da. Antonia de Rutiaga, same well-known mining family that dominated that area of San Luis Potosí. I am not sure the exact degree, but it would be worth researching. On the Cortés de Monroy please email me as my findings are not published yet.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
My connection to Colunga-Cortés
After analyzing several sources and María de Rutiaga's christening record I can conclude the exact link--Agustina Robledo is a second cousin (or tía in Hispanic custom) to the father of the I Marqués de San Juan de Rayas.
18 de marzo de 1619 - San Luis Potosí
“En dies y ocho dias del mes de marso de mil y seis sientos y dies y nueve, baptise a Maria, hija de Francisco de Rrutiaga y de su mujer doña Ysabel [Adriansen]. Fueron sus padrinos Pedro de Salasar, Alcalde Mayor y su hija doña Luisa. “ The link follows:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9G2L-1DX?mode=g&i=99&wc=3P…
François de Rutiaga and Isabel Adriansen had two daughters:
1. Da. Antonia de Rutiaga who had D. Antonio de Sardaneta y Legaspi who had D. José de Sardaneta y Legaspi who had D. Vicente Francisco de Sardaneta y Legaspi, I Marqués de San Juan de Rayas.
2. Da. María de Rutiaga who had Da. Andrea de la Orta y Rutiaga who had Da. Agustina Rosa Robledo y Rutiaga who married Francisco de Colunga Cortés.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
Ancestros de Don Diego de Torres Ribera
Hola Danny:
La información de méritos y servicios tiene 14 páginas y con muchas palabras abreviadas.
Pero se advierte lo siguiente:
Diego de Torres Ribera hijo de Jhoan de Torres, hidalgo de la ciudad de León, España heredó un mayorazgo de su padre Paulo de Torres de dos pueblos, el primero no entiendo parece "toldanos" y el segundo de Rodexos linderos con la ciudad de León; la madre fue María de Paz hija legítima de Diego de Tapia ¿Alvarez? corregidor y María de Paz, ésta es hija del Capitán Pedro de Paz -natural de Salamanca- conquistador de Nueva España y encomendero de los pueblos de Atotonilco, Ecatlán y "guasq." de la ciudad de Meztitlán (Hidalgo)
Don Diego es además primo del conquistador Diego de Ordaz y encomendero de Singüilucan (Hidalgo) Calpa y Chilapa que posee Don Antonio de Ordaz y Mendoza, primo también de Don Diego.
Marcelina
La familia Paz de Salamanca
Hola otra vez Danny:
Los pueblos actualmente se llaman Toldanos (por toledanos que emigraron de Toledo a ese lugar) y Roderos.
´
Resultó interesante que los ascendientes de María de Paz, ya que es sobrina de Don Rodrigo de Paz, mayordomo de Hernán Cortés, que fuera injustamente martirizado y ajusticiado por la Audiencia de Nueva España.
Los hermanos de Don pedro de Paz son los siguientes:
Juan Nuñez
Francisco Nuñez, relator del Consejo de Indias
Rodrigo de Paz.
Hay muchos registros de la persecución que hicieron los hermanos en contra de los oidores Almíndez y Chirino.
Pero además la familia Paz de Salamanca es de origen noble podría ser la descendencia directa del Conde de Ledesma, cuyo hijo fue despojado por su tío materno quien adujo que el niño era ilegítimo (falsamente) exigió que la viuda se sometiera a una ordalía quemando sus brazos para comprobar su inocencia. La viuda huyó y se refugió con su suegra y los descendientes del infante se apellidaron "de Paz". Hay más sobre ésta historia en el blog de Paloma Torrijos en los artículos sobre los condes de Ledesma.
La familia Monroy era de Extremadura. Don Martín Cortés "El Viejo" del reino de León se casó con una mujer de apellido Monroy en Extremadura y fueron padres de los siguientes hijos:
1. Hernando
2. Juan
3. Juan
4. Alonso
5. Martín Cortés de Monroy (padre de Hernán Cortés).
6. Leonor
7. María
Tuvo demás una hija ilegítima llamada Inés Gomez de Paz. Al parecer la familia Cortés proviene de Lombardía, para saber la historia completa puedes visitar la página de Daniel Cortés González: motecuhzoma.de/familia-Cortés.htlm
Suerte
Marcelina
Pas
I have asked and search for information on my great grandparents, Leonardo Rodriguez Morcillos abt 1860 and Teofila Rivas for more than 10 years. it was said they were from Dolores Hidalgo, GTo. During this past year, I put in many hours looking and finally finding information confirming this. To have all this additional information on my paternal side of the family will be so special to my uncle. He is the only living relative left of his era. The family never knew anything as my grandfather Lucio left California during the 1930's when there was a lot of deportation of Mexican American citizens and didi not tell them they were U.S. citizens so their past was lost.
Marcelina y MendezTorres, gracias por todo la informacion sobre mi familia paterna. Mi Tio quien nunca supo donde nacio, siempre me ayudo con lo poco que sabia de su familia. El se recordaba que vivio en San Diego pero de noche a dia se fueron de California en 1930. Este ultimo Agosto me pregunto donde nacio, y se lo dije y la semana pasada encontre por fin su acta de nacimiento. Ahora le podre decir sobre su familia.
Danny there is more information on Rutiaga in the book Diccionario Biografico de Antiguos Pobaladores de San Luis Potosi 1592-1666, by Rafael Morales Bocardo and some info Pas que fue primo y mayordomo de Hernan Cortes etc. in The Encmenderos of New Spain 1521-1555 by Robert Himmerich y valencia.
La familia Paz de Salamanca
Hi Marcelina and Simona,
I'm having difficulty following this discussion, who are the ancestors of Juana de Torres y Paz Cortez de Monroy? Specifically, how did she come to have the name Cortez de Monroy? If she descends from Inez Gomez de Paz and the notary, Francisco Nunez de Valera, how would she connect to the Monroy?
Ashlynn
Juana de Torres y Paz Cortez de Monroy
Marcelina stated above that Don Martín Cortés "El Viejo" del reino de León se casó con una mujer de apellido MONROY en Extremadura y fueron padres de los siguientes hijos:
1. Hernando
2. Juan
3. Juan
4. Alonso
5. Martín Cortés de Monroy (padre de Hernán Cortés).
6. Leonor
7. María
(The following is from the web page of Daniel Cortes Gonzales http://www.motecuhzoma.de/familia-Cortes.html)as stated above by Marcelina
La hija ilegítima se llamó Inés Gómez de Paz. Desempeñó un importante papel en la vida del Conquistador Hernán Cortés.
Según testimonio del propio Hernán Cortés en 1546, su tía Inés Gómez de Paz era hija natural de su abuelo, “habida con otra mujer” fuera del matrimonio legítimo.
A los hijos de Inés: Rodrigo (Mayordomo), Pedro (Abogado en Espana) y Ana; el Conquistador les dio siempre el tratamiento de primos.
This is how I understood the information
Juana de Torres y Paz Cortez
I forgot to add that because Ines was from another mother than the Monroy she could not be a Monroy as Martin Cortes de Monroy hijo de Martin Cortes el viejo, que se caso con una llamada Monroy.
Ancestros de Don Diego de Torres Ribera
Marcelina
Thank you very much for reading the document and providing us with this valuable information. This is very helpful.
Danny C. Alonso
Jose Antonio Chavez Fragoso & Ma Dolores Colunga
Thank you Daniel. These are my 6th g-grandparents! I wasn't able to connect them to SLP until I read your message.
I descend from their daughter Maria Trinidad Chavez married to Lucas Ylario Yanes in Teocaltiche 05 May 1783.
-Angelina-
Jose Antonio Chavez Fragoso & Ma Dolores Colunga
Angelina,
We are related then on a closer level. I descend from Da. Juana Manuela de Chávez Fragoso y Colunga who married D. Luciano Yáñez de Esqueda y Zavala on 31 May 1767 in Teocaltiche. I was not aware of the existence of Trinidad Chávez married to Lucas Hilario Yáñez, perhaps we have two siblings marrying two siblings?
Daniel
Juan Colunga and Isabel Mendez
Hi Danny,
I'm not familiar with Juan de Colunga or Isabel Mendez or
any Colunga family, but some of the names Rick mentioned are mentioned on
this thread and their connection to the Anzo y Tellez family and the Torres
y Rivera familiy.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/17402?page=1
Paige
On Monday, January 30, 2017, Danny Alonso wrote:
> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Im looking for the parents of my ancestors Juan Colunga an Isabel Mendez
> probly from Valle de San Francisco, San Luis Potosí where their children
> married. i think they were born around 1680 or maybe a little earlier. im
> hoping someone else in the group descends from them or has information on
> them. thank you
>
> Danny C. Alonso
Juan Colunga and Isabel Mendez
Ysabel Mendoza is the same person as Ysabel Mendez and Ysabel Paez and Ysabel Pays. I have her husband as Juan Colunga y Cortes. His name is often abbreviated Jn. Colunga.
Joan De Colunga Cortes's wife is Gabriela De Anso Y Riba. (Ribera/Rivera) are the parents of Joan Colunga Anso who I believe may be the juan Colunga married to Ysabel Mendoza Paez. (Mendez Pays)
Rick
Juan Colunga and Isabel Mendez
Juan Colunga and Ysavel Mendez (7th grandparents)
After searching as many Juan Colunga’s within 25 years (1625-1650) in Mexico only the following two fit and they ended up being from the same couple in which they gave their sons the same name just different spelling.
1. Juan Colunga - Bapt. 6 JUN 1636 (Juan De Colunga Cortes + Gabriela De Anso Y Telles) El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico
2. Joan Colunga Anso M3CC-GN3 Bapt. 21 OCT 1640 (Juan De Colunga Cortes + Gabriela De Anso Y Telles) El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico
M: 03 Feb 1668 + Josepha Gonsales El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico
I could not find this couples IM or marriage image to confirm their age, caste and parents.
I semi-merged Ysavel Mendez with Ysavel Pays (Paes) as their son Joseph fit perfectly yesterday.
I read the link sent by Paigeherrera it seems others felt the same way.
Back in October in 2016 I was only able to find Juan de Colunga Cortes and Gabriela de Anso y Telles marriage image in which Pedro Quixas stands in for Juan Colunga.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QQ9-BHP
Juan Colunga and Isabel
thank you everybody. I really appreciate all of your help.
Marcelina, do you have the link to that book Partidos y padrones del
Obispado de Michoacán?
Mr. Ricci thank you for all that information and for putting all the pieces
together. It was very helpful.
Paige i noticed that thread earlier today and Daniel Méndez says hes a
descendant of this family and he is always very knowledgable so he probly
knows how theyre related to the Torres y Rivera family but he didnt mention
it on the thred.
Simona thank you for all your information and especially for finding the
marriage record for Juan de Colunga and Gabriela de Anso
Danny C. Alonso
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:22 PM, wrote:
> Juan Colunga and Ysavel Mendez (7th grandparents) After searching as many
> Juan Colunga’s within 25 years (1625-1650) in Mexico only the following two
> fit and they ended up being from the same couple in which they gave their
> sons the same name just different spelling. 1. Juan Colunga - Bapt. 6 JUN
> 1636 (Juan De Colunga Cortes + Gabriela De Anso Y Telles) El
> Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico 2. Joan Colunga Anso
> M3CC-GN3
> Bapt. 21 OCT 1640 (Juan De Colunga Cortes + Gabriela De Anso Y Telles) El
> Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico M: 03 Feb 1668 + Josepha
> Gonsales El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico I could not find
> this couples IM or marriage image to confirm their age, caste and parents.
> I
> semi-merged Ysavel Mendez with Ysavel Pays (Paes) as their son Joseph fit
> perfectly yesterday. I read the link sent by Paigeherrera it seems others
> felt the same way. Back in October in 2016 I was only able to find Juan de
> Colunga Cortes and Gabriela de Anso y Telles marriage image in which Pedro
> Quixas stands in for Juan Colunga.
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QQ9-BHP
>
Juan Colunga and Isabel
Dear Danny,
Your welcome. I'm glad that I could help.
Gabriela de Anso y Telles seems to be the same person as Gabriela de Anso y Ribera. The Ribera surname is most likely Torres Ribera. The Telles and Torres may depend on who is reading the record. More research is needed to compare the writings to get the surname right.
Rick A. Ricci
Juan Colunga and Isabel
Hi Danny,
In his book Archivos parroquiales de Aguascalientes, Daniel Méndez connects the Colunga family to the Torres y Rivera when he makes reference to three girls named María that were baptized between 1638 and 1640, María (hija de Juan de Colunga Cortés y Gabriela de Anso y Téllez), María (hija de Alonso Pérez de Hortega y Philipa de Anso y Téllez) and María, (hija de Domingo de Iriarte y María de Anso y Téllez). Below are the baptisms for each:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QQ9-B27
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QQ9-B6S
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QQ9-BYM
All of the three María's were baptized by the licenciado Diego de Torres y Rivera and on the margin of each of the baptisms is the licenciado's note after Gabriela de Anso y Téllez, Philipa de Anso y Téllez and María de Anso y Téllez that says "mi sobrina."
Daniel's note regarding this family states, "El beneficiado de la villa de Aguascalientes don Diego de Torres y Rivera era tío carnal de los hermanos Anso y Téllez vía su línea materna. Eran hijos de don Esteban de Anso y Téllez antiguo vecino de la Ciudad de México y N. de Rivera. Esta era hermana del beneficiado Diego de Torres y Rivera dichos hijos de Juan de Torres y Rivera, hijosdalgo y mayorazgo natural de la ciudad de León en los Reinos de Castilla y doña María de la Paz, criolla de la ciudad de Zacatecas"
Chris
Telles and de Torres y Ribera
Thank up Chris for explaining that the two names Gabriela de Anso y Telles and Gabriela de Anso y Torres Ribera are not mistakes and that Gabriela descends from both the Telles and the de Torres y Rivera families.
Rick
Juan Colunga and Isabel
Thank you Chris this is great. thank you for putting it all together for me.
Danny C. Alonso
Juan de Colunga obrajero de Aguascalientes
Hola Danny:
Encontré en línea un libro llamad "Breve historia de Aguascalientes" de Beatriz Rojas y otros: bibliotecadigital.ilce.edu.mx/sites/estados/libros/aguas/htlm.secc_14.htlm
en el que se menciona que Juan de Colunga era propietario de un obraje (textil) en la ciudad de Aguascalientes.
Respecto del libro de los partidos y padrones del obispado de Michoacán está en Family History Library 972.37k, hay una versión de googlebooks pero no incluye la parte de San Luis Potosí.
Saludos
Marcelina
Torres Rivera
I have looked for this family in previous chats on NRanchos. and did not find anything on them, but lots of other good stuff. I have looked in familysearch and still I did not find anything. I did put together from the information given the family of Lic. Diego Torres Ribera on Familysearch, but I still did not get any matches. Is there a book/books on this family since there were antiguo vecinos de D.F? Also Danny or anyone else do you know the parents of Juan Colunga Cortez?
Thanks for all the help. I only think of the name Colunga as the name of the Mexican Actor Fernando Colunga.
Buscado a la Famila Torres Rivera en NuestrosRanchos y no encontre informacion. Tambien nada en Familysearch donde los datos de la informacion los entre, pero nada. Hay libro/libros donde se menciona esta antigua familia de D.F. Y alguin sabe de los pades de Juan colunga Cortez? (Todavia no llega me copia de partidas y padrones de Michoacan).
Origen de la familia Colunga
Hola Simone:
Al parecer el apellido Colunga es gallego y una rama muy grande pasó a las Islas Canarias y luego a Cuba. Así que es un poco difícil seguir el rastro ya que hay pocos datos tanto de las Islas Canarias como de Cuba.
Saludos
Marcelina
Torres Rivera
Marcelina and Simona
i think the information came from one of these documents related to Diego
de Torres y Rivera. i tried to read them but cant. maybe one of you can
read it and tell us what it says. theres two links and after you click on
it click on ver imagenes. one of the documents is two pages and the other
is fourteen pages.
Informaciones de oficio y parte: Diego de Torres Rivera, beneficiado de
Aguas Calientes, vecino de Aguas Calientes. Con parecer:
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=3&&t…
Relación de méritos y servicios del bachiller Diego de Torres Rivera,
natural de Zacatecas, cura beneficiado de Nuestra Señora de la Asunción de
Aguas Calientes y vicario, juez eclesiástico y comisario de la Santa
Cruzada:
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=3&&t…
Danny C. Alonso
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Colunga Cortes y Torres Rivera
Gracias Marcelina por su respuesta que siempre es muy informativo.
Danny thanks, I will try my best to read what I can and share what I can decipher. I opened the first page of 14 and saw that about the 3rd paragraph it states his parents Jhoan de Torres y Maria de Pas.
Juan Colunga and Isabel
Here is another record that may help.
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Johan De Colunga Cortes
mentioned in the record of Johan De Colunga Cortes and Gabriela De Anto
Name Johan De Colunga Cortes
Spouse's Name Gabriela De Anto
Event Date 19 Mar 1634
Event Place El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHPT-4FM : 14 July 2015), Johan De Colunga Cortes and Gabriela De Anto, 19 Mar 1634; citing El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,421.
Joan De Colunga Cortes
Gender Male
Wife Gabriela De Anso Y Riba.
Son Joan Colunga Anso
Other information in the record of Joan Colunga Anso
from Mexico Baptisms
Name Joan Colunga Anso
Gender Male
Christening Date 21 Oct 1640
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Father's Name Joan De Colunga Cortes
Mother's Name Gabriela De Anso Y Riba.
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK2P-L8P : 12 December 2014), Joan De Colunga Cortes in entry for Joan Colunga Anso, 21 Oct 1640; citing EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,421.
Juan Colunga and Isabel
Dear Danny,
Here are a few records that may help you in your research of Juan Colunga and Ysabel Mendoza (Mendez)
Colunga
Juan De Colunga
mentioned in the record of Melhora Colunga Mendes
Name Juan De Colunga
Gender Male
Wife Ysabel Mendes
Daughter Melhora Colunga Mendes
Other information in the record of Melhora Colunga Mendes
from Mexico Baptisms
Name Melhora Colunga Mendes
Gender Female
Christening Date 20 Jan 1676
Christening Place SAN FRANCISCO,VILLA DE REYES,SAN LUIS POTOSI,MEXICO
Father's Name Juan De Colunga
Mother's Name Ysabel Mendes
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSC4-7JR : 12 December 2014), Juan De Colunga in entry for Melhora Colunga Mendes, 20 Jan 1676; citing SAN FRANCISCO,VILLA DE REYES,SAN LUIS POTOSI,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 708,516.
Name Jn. De Colunga
Gender Male
Wife Ysabel De Pays
Son Joseph Colunga Pays
Other information in the record of Joseph Colunga Pays
from Mexico Baptisms
Name Joseph Colunga Pays
Gender Male
Christening Date 13 Jan 1673
Christening Place SAN FRANCISCO,VILLA DE REYES,SAN LUIS POTOSI,MEXICO
Father's Name Jn. De Colunga
Mother's Name Ysabel De Pays
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLJD-427 : 12 December 2014), Jn. De Colunga in entry for Joseph Colunga Pays, 13 Jan 1673; citing SAN FRANCISCO,VILLA DE REYES,SAN LUIS POTOSI,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 708,516.
Jn. De Colunga
mentioned in the record of Joseph Colunga Mendes
Name Jn. De Colunga
Gender Male
Wife Ysabel Mendes
Son Joseph Colunga Mendes
Other information in the record of Joseph Colunga Mendes
from Mexico Baptisms
Name Joseph Colunga Mendes
Gender Male
Christening Date 1681
Christening Place SAN FRANCISCO,CHARCAS,SAN LUIS POTOSI,MEXICO
Father's Name Jn. De Colunga
Mother's Name Ysabel Mendes
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLKQ-CQ6 : 12 December 2014), Jn. De Colunga in entry for Joseph Colunga Mendes, 1681; citing SAN FRANCISCO,CHARCAS,SAN LUIS POTOSI,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 707,719.
Jn. De Colunga
mentioned in the record of Roque Colunga Mendes
Name Jn. De Colunga
Gender Male
Wife Ysabel Mendes
Son Roque Colunga Mendes
Other information in the record of Roque Colunga Mendes
from Mexico Baptisms
Name Roque Colunga Mendes
Gender Male
Christening Date 1681
Christening Place SAN FRANCISCO,CHARCAS,SAN LUIS POTOSI,MEXICO
Father's Name Jn. De Colunga
Mother's Name Ysabel Mendes
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NTDH-WP5 : 12 December 2014), Jn. De Colunga in entry for Roque Colunga Mendes, 1681; citing SAN FRANCISCO,CHARCAS,SAN LUIS POTOSI,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 707,719.
Name Joan Colunga Anso
Gender Male
Christening Date 21 Oct 1640
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Father's Name Joan De Colunga Cortes
Mother's Name Gabriela De Anso Y Riba.
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK2P-L8G : 12 December 2014), Joan Colunga Anso, 21 Oct 1640; citing EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,421.
Good luck,
Rick A. Ricci
Padrones de 1683
Hola Danny:
¿Revisaste el padrón del Valle de San Francisco en 1683? Está en el libro Partidos y padrones del Obispado de Michoacán de Alberto Carrillo Cázares que está en Familysearch.
Saludos
Marcelina