been actively online again searching for jose simon martinez and his wife maria rosalia delgadillo. he was born roughly about 1760 mexico and she also was born about 1765 . their 8childrens name has been found in baptisms through family search . havent found no marriage record or anything pertaining to them yet other than they were at their childrens marriages or whatever. i would like to know who their parents are and where they may have died at. some of their childrens names were jose demasio , maria mauricia etc and were born near san agustin, villa de arriaga, san potosi, mexico
jose simon martinez and or
Dear Steph Martinez,
I did some more research and went back some more generations where they hook up with other research that I had previously done for my family tree . The line hooks up with the Ruiz de Esparza family so there is descent from Moctezuma, as well as descent from Lope Ruiz de Esparza junior.
Rick A. Ricci
jose simon martinez and or
Miguel Martin married on 12/Nov/1719 to Efigenia Lucresia de Lira in Cienega de Mata, Jalisco. Image # 202 out of 456 in film # 641015
Miguel Martin and Efigenia Lucrecia de Lira are the parents of Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez)
Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) married twice, first to Maria Yldefonsa Sedillo on 12/Feb/1746, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco. (Daughter of Nicolas Sedillo and Josepha de Torres.
Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) married for the second time to Francisca Xaviera Vicenta de Ortiz, daughter of Francisco Hortiz (Ortiz) and Maria Bernarda de Jesus De La Rosa.
Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) and Francisca Xaviera Vicenta de Ortiz are the parents of Jose Simon Martinez married to Maria Rosalia Barthola Delgadillo-Gonzalez y Miramontes, daughter of Jose Regino Delgadillo (aka del Gado aka Gonzalez) and Maria Ysabel Miramontes
Rick A. Ricci
Parents of Simon and Rosalia
Parents of Simon and Rosalia are listed in the christening record (May 22 1803) of their daughter Maria Prudencia:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JGJF-P
Here is the christening record (Jan 15 1794) of their daughter Maria Manuela:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JGJX-3
María Prudencia and Maria Manuela were sisters because both of them were born in a place called Juachi or El Juachi and it also proves Rosalia Delgadillo was a.k.a. Rosa Delgado.
Parents of Simon and Rosalia
Maria Rosalia Delgadillo (aka Delgado) is the daughter of Josse Regino Delgado and Maria Ysabel Flores (aka Miramontes)
Godparents are Valtazar (Balthazar) Fuentes and Maria Polonia Delgadillo
The Godmother is also a daughter of Josse Regino Delgadillo (Delgado) and Maria Ysabel Flores (aka Miramontes)
The godfather is a son of Manuel Fuentes and Maria de Los Dolores Servantes.
Jose Andres Delgadillo is a brother to Maria Rosalia Delgadillo and Maria Polonia Delgadillo He is married to Maria Nicolaza Lira (daughter of Joseph de Lira and Maria Candida.
Here is a record that needs to be researched to see if there is a possible connection:
Rosa Ma. Miramontes Flores
Mexico Baptisms
Name Rosa Ma. Miramontes Flores
Gender Female
Christening Date 02 Oct 1736
Christening Place TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Joseph Miramontes
Mother's Name Bernarda Flores
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLZQ-XZN : 12 December 2014), Rosa Ma. Miramontes Flores, 02 Oct 1736; citing TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,803.
Rick A. Ricci
re:maria prudencia and family
thank you ricci and everyone for clarifying my training of thoughts. I highly suspected inter close marriages and yes agreed will need a dispensa as polonia back then was a daughter of josse regiono Delgadillo.
Searching forparents of.Regino Delgadillo & Ma.isabel Flores
I forgot to explain why it is important to investigate the existence of a dispensation for the marriage of Maria Mauricia Martinez and Vicente Flores. The parents of Maria Mauricia Martinez are Simon Martinez and Maria Rosalia Delgadillo. The parents of Maria Rosalia Delgadillo are Josse Regino Delgado (Delgadillo) and Maria Isabel Flores (aka/Miramontes). The Delgado and Flores ancestry are the lines that are most likely shared by Maria Mauricia's husband Vicente Flores Delgado. The parents of Vicente are Clemente Flores and Maria Antonia Delgado (Delgadillo). A dispensation may provide common ancestors or clues since Maria Antonia Delgadillo is most likely related to Regino Delgadillo and Maria Isabel Flores Miramontes is most likely related to Clemente Flores. Searching through the baptismal records of the children of Clemente Flores and Maria Antonia Delgado may also provide information that could help in finding the parents of Josse Regino Delgadillo and Maria Isabel Flores Miramontes.
Good Luck,
Rick A. Ricci
Parents of Simon and Rosalia
Important to Research this record to see if there is a letter of dispensation that shows that the bride, Maria Mauricia Martinez, and groom, Vicente Flores, are related through both the Delgadillo and the Flores lines.
Name. Vicente Flores
Birth Date 1787
Age 32
Spouse's Name Maria Mauricia Martinez
Spouse's Birth Date 1795
Spouse's Age 24
Event Date 18 Feb 1819
Event Place Cienega De Mata,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name Clemente Flores
Mother's Name Maria Antonia Delgado
Spouse's Father's Name Simon Martinez
Spouse's Mother's Name Maria Rosalia Delgadillo
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCZV-9FJ : 15 July 2015), Simon Martinez in entry for Vicente Flores and Maria Mauricia Martinez, 18 Feb 1819; citing Cienega De Mata,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 641,017.
re: maria prudencia and family
yes correct rosa Delgado aka Delgadillo was known by both names in some of the records I have viewed through family search and through ancestry.com she was my 6th great grandmother. I currently also found about 8 of her children and yes correct maria Manuela and or maria prudencia is those children of hers. thank you kindly for that.
Parents of Simon Martinez
I forgot to add that Jose Simon Martinez is the son of Fernando Martinez and Maria Bernarda Ortiz. That information is found in the baptismal record of Maria Prudencia that Ruben Hernandez provided.
Here are possible leads on Fernando Martinez:
Fernando Antto. Martin
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records
Name Fernando Antto. Martin
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 14 Jun 1747
Event Place Inmaculada Concepción, Ciénega de Mata, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender Male
Father's Name Prudensio Martin
Mother's Name Felipa Antta.
Citing this Record
México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6QG-9HP : 16 February 2017), Fernando Antto. Martin, 14 Jun 1747; citing Baptism, Inmaculada Concepción, Ciénega de Mata, Jalisco, Mexico, parroquias Católicas Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco); FHL microfilm 640,151.
Joseph Prudencio Martines
Mexico Baptisms
Name Joseph Prudencio Martines
Gender Male
Christening Date 22 Apr 1722
Christening Place SAN LUIS,COLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Lucas Martines
Mother's Name Ma.
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSHS-2TY : 12 December 2014), Joseph Prudencio Martines, 22 Apr 1722; citing SAN LUIS,COLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,671.
Rick A. Ricci
re:jose simon martinez and or families
yes right you are I did later on find the parents as to be Fernando Martinez and or maria bernarda Ortiz.
re:jose simon
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCZK-KX7
had question about this particular record unfortunately I cant view it any farther as it doesn't have a image it says through the family search. is this same family or someone different ?
re:jose Regino Delgadillo (aka Gonzalez, aka Del Gado)
Dear Steph,
There are two Jose Regino and Maria Ysabel couples, with enough similarities that they can be confused as being the same couple but there is evidence that distinguishes them. One of the Jose Regino and Maria Ysabel couples is español while the other Jose Regino and Maria Ysabel are mulatos libres.
This Jose Simon Martines and Maria Rosalia Barthola Gonzales Delgadillo is the same couple that is your family. The surnames Delgadillo, Delgado, and Gonzalez were all used by both Maria Rosalia and her father Jose Regino.
1) Diego Delgadillo and Isabel Calderon Orosco are the parents of Juan Delgadillo who is married to Ma.de la Concepcion Gonzalez de Islas Renteris (aka de Islas)
2) Juan Delgadillo and Ma.de la Concepcion Gonzalez de Islas Renteris (aka de Islas) are the parents of at least two sons, Juan Delgadillo y Gonzalez (Junior) and Diego Delgadillo Gonzalez.
3) juan Delgadillo Gonzalez (junior) is married to Elvira Martinez de Alarcon and are the parents of Maria Antonia Delgadillo that went by numerous surnames( Delgadillo, Martinez, and Gonzalez de Islas).
4) Maria Antonia Delgadillo ( aka Martinez, aka gonzalez de Islas) married Jose Diaz de Leon. These are my ancestors.
Jose Regino Delgadillo (aka Jose Regino Gonzalez) most likely descends from Juan Delgadillo and Ma.de la Concepcion Gonzalez de Islas Renteris (aka de Islas)
The descendants of the Delgadillo Gonzalez de Islas often married into the Martinez de Alarcon family. I descend from some of these Delgadillo Martinez lines I believe that there is a strong probability that Jose Simon Martinez also descends from the Martinez de Alarcon family.
Rick A. Ricci
Jose Simon Martines
mentioned in the record of Jose Simon Martines and Rosalia Barthola Gonsales
Name Jose Simon Martines
Spouse's Name Rosalia Barthola Gonsales
Event Date 10 Dec 1781
Event Place Cienega De Mata,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name Bernardo De La O Martines
Mother's Name Francisca Xaviera Ortis
Spouse's Father's Name Jose Regino Gonsales
Spouse's Mother's Name Maria Ysavel Miramontes
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCZK-KX7 : 15 July 2015), Jose Simon Martines and Rosalia Barthola Gonsales, 10 Dec 1781; citing Cienega De Mata,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 641,016.
re:jose simon martinez and or related families
i did go look for the record and looking to me on fernando it cites prudencio for the father and or a woman by name of felipa for the mother which is fantastic news to me. and thank you for the record to confirm the differentiality of the persons in the one i couldnt view at the time . after reviewing informations and or notations in the groups of here i couldnt help but notice that you was a family member and to me that is awesome news! hi cousin rick ricci lol . this just made my day! i do hopes to do this dna test i keeps reading about i may start with the ancestry.com one first and see where it goes and or do the others later on as the coronado side of the family is virtuously stuck in brick wall when it has to do with my grandfather andres coronado and grandmother of mine by name of maria amat. but compared to over 10 yrs ago for records i couldnt be more happier as my great grandparents died exactly 4 years before i was even born and to me that is priceless learning about them and their families. not to forget meeting new families members that is also priceless to me
re:jose simon martinez and or related families
still looking at notes on here and looking for new record you was talking about.
Jose Simon Martinez's real grandparents
Dear Steph,
Prudencio is not the grandfather of Jose Simon Martinez. I had mentioned Prudencio Martinez only as something to be checked out as a possibility. It has been ruled out as The correct line goes like this:
1) Jose Simon Martinez is Named as the son of Fernando Martinez but Fernando Martinez is properly named as Bernardo (Bernardino) de la O Martin.
2) Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) and Francisca Xaviera Vicenta de Ortiz are the parents of Jose Simon Martinez married to Maria Rosalia Barthola Delgadillo-Gonzalez y Miramontes, daughter of Jose Regino Delgadillo (aka del Gado aka Gonzalez) and Maria Ysabel Miramontes.
Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) married for the second time to Francisca Xaviera Vicenta de Ortiz, daughter of Francisco Hortiz (Ortiz) and Maria Bernarda de Jesus De La Rosa.
3) Miguel Martin and Efigenia Lucrecia de Lira are the parents of Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez)
Miguel Martin married on 12/Nov/1719 to Efigenia Lucresia de Lira in Cienega de Mata, Jalisco. Image # 202 out of 456 in film # 641015
Rick A. Ricci
re: jose martinez and or familiy
fantastic reading on this database i have been going back and forth. beautiful name of my grandma back then i was wondering it says of the islands am i correct ? how should i import her name into my roots magic or family tree maker? is it maria de la concepcion or how?
Delgado Gonzalez or Delgadillo Gonzalez
Jose Regino Delgadillo Gonzalez most likely descends from one of two Delgadillo Gonzalez lines. To distinguish them, one is called the Delgaldillo Gonzalez line while I refer to the other one as the Delgado Gonzalez line. If we find that Mauricia is not related to her husband then Regino most likely descends from the Delgadillo Gonzalez line that I listed earlier. If they are related then Regino descends from the Delgado Gonzalez line that are ancestors of Mauricia's husband. I am going to look for a letter of dispensation before I list the other line. This other Delgado Gonzalez line is the one that leads into the Ruiz de Esparza family and Moctezuma. I am related to both the Delgadillo Gonzalez line and the Delgado Gonzalez line.
Rick A. Ricci
re: delgadillo and or rosalias family with jose simon martinez
while going to my family tree area to imports information i happened to notice for the area of cinega de matas, jalisco, mexico regarding marriages through family search there was names of antonia rosalia and or a anna maria delgado for following references they can be found through family search ie:familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A"maria%20rosalia%20barthola"~%20%2Bsurname%3Adelgadillo~%20%
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenn…
)a maria ysabel and juan delgado was present for both marriages) i was wondering if they were sisters of my maria rosalia delgadillo?
re:rosalia delgadillo
hi looking in notes of rosa maria miramontes i do have bernarda flores listed as mother and also juan joseph miramontes for parents also noted was several children born in zacatecas, mexico.