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Hi;

I hope somebody can help me with this. In one of my lines from Jerez-tepetongo (Salinas line). I have a document (Marriage 1737) that saids that the family was from TENASCO. I assumed that was in Jalisco. I found a dam with the name Tenaxco very close to colotlan-Sta Maria de los Angeles. But now there isn't a town with that name. Can anyone tell me if Tenasco was the old name for the region? Where should I look for the records? Maybe Colotlan?, Maybe Sta Maria de los Angeles? Has anyone seen the name tenasco (tenaxco)?

Thank you

susana leniski

Susana:
Tenasco is a very small town (always was a small town) my father born there, so the place is real, this town belongs to the municipaly of Santa Maria de los Angeles Jalisco. Most of the people now are outside of town, some people emigrate to Guadalajara, Zacatecas and USA: Texas, Kansas, California, Illinois.
Ones of the web sites is http://www.santamariadelosangeles.com/ it is in spanish.
My father born there in 1943 at that time the town was around 600 people and at this time is less than 100 people.
In the old times this town belongs to Colotlan Jalisco, but now it belongs to Santa Maria de los Angeles Jalisco. In the past Tenasco was a little place alongside of the Camino Real "Royal Road" to Zacatecas, but in moderns times was builded a new road and the town decrese with the time.
The best place to seach is Colotlan because always was the big town and since the spanish colony was the place for justice, economic, administrative.
As you say Colotlan and Santa Maria de los Angeles are close one each other, 8Km (5 miles) and Tenasco is around 7km from Santa Maria de los Angeles (4.5 miles).

A religius holiday is 16 July "Nuestrara Senora del Carmen", Tenasco ( Nahuatl word ) comes from Tena-Mitl “muro" (Wall)” Is-Co “en frente de" (in front): “frente a la muralla” (In front of the Wall).
So Tenasco means "In front of the Wall".

I never been there but I'am planing for next year a trip to investigate the roots of my family.

Have a nice day!!!

Raul Damasco wrote:

>Susana:
>Tenasco is a very small town (always was a small town) my father born there, so the place is real, this town belongs to the municipaly of Santa Maria de los Angeles Jalisco. Most of the people now are outside of town, some people emigrate to Guadalajara, Zacatecas and USA: Texas, Kansas, California, Illinois.
>Ones of the web sites is http://www.santamariadelosangeles.com/ it is in spanish.
>My father born there in 1943 at that time the town was around 600 people and at this time is less than 100 people.
>In the old times this town belongs to Colotlan Jalisco, but now it belongs to Santa Maria de los Angeles Jalisco. In the past Tenasco was a little place alongside of the Camino Real "Royal Road" to Zacatecas, but in moderns times was builded a new road and the town decrese with the time.
>The best place to seach is Colotlan because always was the big town and since the spanish colony was the place for justice, economic, administrative.
>As you say Colotlan and Santa Maria de los Angeles are close one each other, 8Km (5 miles) and Tenasco is around 7km from Santa Maria de los Angeles (4.5 miles).
>
>A religius holiday is 16 July "Nuestrara Senora del Carmen", Tenasco ( Nahuatl word ) comes from Tena-Mitl “muro" (Wall)” Is-Co “en frente de" (in front): “frente a la muralla” (In front of the Wall).
>So Tenasco means "In front of the Wall".
>
>I never been there but I'am planing for next year a trip to investigate the roots of my family.
>
Raul,

Manda un email a Alicia Carrillo. Ella esta haciendo planes con otros en
el grupo en hacer un viaje a Jalisco y Zacatecas.

Alicia Carrillo . . .ella puede hablar y escribir
Espanol muy bien. . .mucho mas mejor que yo,

bienvenido al grupo,

joseph

p.d. te voy a mandar las locaciones de bibliotecas (Centros de Familia
Historia) donde vives.

Thank-you so mucho for the information about Tenasco. The family that I'm
looking for in Tenasco are the "Salinas de Biena". They left Tenasco around
1730's. They moved to Jerez, Zacatecas. I'm going to start searching for
them in Colotlan.
Thank-you again

susana
----- Original Message -----
From: "damasco"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tenasco

>
> Susana:
> Tenasco is a very small town (always was a small town) my father born
> there, so the place is real, this town belongs to the municipaly of Santa
> Maria de los Angeles Jalisco. Most of the people now are outside of town,
> some people emigrate to Guadalajara, Zacatecas and USA: Texas, Kansas,
> California, Illinois.
> Ones of the web sites is http://www.santamariadelosangeles.com/ it is in
> spanish.
> My father born there in 1943 at that time the town was around 600 people
> and at this time is less than 100 people.
> In the old times this town belongs to Colotlan Jalisco, but now it belongs
> to Santa Maria de los Angeles Jalisco. In the past Tenasco was a little
> place alongside of the Camino Real "Royal Road" to Zacatecas, but in
> moderns times was builded a new road and the town decrese with the time.
> The best place to seach is Colotlan because always was the big town and
> since the spanish colony was the place for justice, economic,
> administrative.
> As you say Colotlan and Santa Maria de los Angeles are close one each
> other, 8Km (5 miles) and Tenasco is around 7km from Santa Maria de los
> Angeles (4.5 miles).
>
> A religius holiday is 16 July "Nuestrara Senora del Carmen", Tenasco (
> Nahuatl word ) comes from Tena-Mitl “muro" (Wall)” Is-Co “en frente de"
> (in front): “frente a la muralla” (In front of the Wall).
> So Tenasco means "In front of the Wall".
>
> I never been there but I'am planing for next year a trip to investigate
> the roots of my family.
>
> Have a nice day!!!
>
>
>

Susana:

The dates preclude you looking anywhere other than Jerez or Colotlan. The parishes in the other towns you mention were not yet set up in 1737. You may also want to look in Tlaltenango... I have been surprised at the number of families that would get married and baptise their children there from as far north as the Hacienda de Troje or Hacienda del Astillero.

Arturo,

In your response to Susana are you referring to the Hacienda del Astillero in Valparaiso, Zacatecas? I too have been finding difficulty finding people and it does seem to be that many of the smaller communities had to go to the larger cities for baptisms and marriages. My problem is that I have found no particular pattern other than church location close to the residence.

Are there other reasons for going to someplace else for baptisms or marriages besides the closest church? More specifically, where did the people from Valparaiso area go in the years before it was an "official" village? Also the "Colotlan" people seem not necessarily go strictly to Colotlan? Any other cities/churches where the people in and around Colotlan went?

Thanks!

Ed

Arturo,

In your response to Susana are you referring to the Hacienda del Astillero in Valparaiso, Zacatecas? I too have been finding difficulty finding people and it does seem to be that many of the smaller communities had to go to the larger cities for baptisms and marriages. My problem is that I have found no particular pattern other than church location close to the residence.

Are there other reasons for going to someplace else for baptisms or marriages besides the closest church? More specifically, where did the people from Valparaiso area go in the years before it was an "official" village? Also the "Colotlan" people seem not necessarily go strictly to Colotlan? Any other cities/churches where the people in and around Colotlan went?

Thanks!

Ed

I wouldn't comment with authority (heck I wouldn't comment with
authority on anything), but other places that the Colotlan folks might
have gone was Huejucar.

I'm just guessing, but maybe if they had relatives in the various
locations they might have made the trip to other communities both to
visit and have their children baptised etc. Now this is a good topic to
get into as it produces more questions than answers. For example with
the Civil Records I would guess that they HAD TO take their children to
be recorded in the cabecera for the locality, but was there freedom for
the Church records? I know if you left the area completely there was
some kind of protocol for the church "investigating" if you were in good
standing from that other parrish [was that only for marriages?]. So
maybe if they went outside of their immediate larger town to do their
baptisms there was some kind of "paperwork" generated or written up for
the priests in that neighboring locations.

joseph

eserros wrote:

>Arturo,
>
>In your response to Susana are you referring to the Hacienda del Astillero in Valparaiso, Zacatecas? I too have been finding difficulty finding people and it does seem to be that many of the smaller communities had to go to the larger cities for baptisms and marriages. My problem is that I have found no particular pattern other than church location close to the residence.
>
>Are there other reasons for going to someplace else for baptisms or marriages besides the closest church? More specifically, where did the people from Valparaiso area go in the years before it was an "official" village? Also the "Colotlan" people seem not necessarily go strictly to Colotlan? Any other cities/churches where the people in and around Colotlan went?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Ed

There are a number of Colotlan marriages in Tlaltenango in the earlier years (1600s), especially of the Spanish families. I think that since Colotlan was a Franciscan convent used as a mission for the Indians, perhaps the Spanish families did not feel it was proper for them to go get married there.

I also think that Tlaltenango was a pretty bustling market town and perhaps a wedding there made it easier for business associates and such to attend? I would not rule out marriages from Valparaiso being in Tlaltenango or Jerez in the earlier years. I think that the Spanish families of the whole area from Jerez to Tlaltenango were all pretty intertwined and would move up and down the valley with frequency.

The other thing to consider is that people would marry someone from outside their town and would often go to the bride's town to get married and then bring her back.

There are a number of Colotlan marriages in Tlaltenango in the earlier years (1600s), especially of the Spanish families. I think that since Colotlan was a Franciscan convent used as a mission for the Indians, perhaps the Spanish families did not feel it was proper for them to go get married there.

I also think that Tlaltenango was a pretty bustling market town and perhaps a wedding there made it easier for business associates and such to attend? I would not rule out marriages from Valparaiso being in Tlaltenango or Jerez in the earlier years. I think that the Spanish families of the whole area from Jerez to Tlaltenango were all pretty intertwined and would move up and down the valley with frequency.

The other thing to consider is that people would marry someone from outside their town and would often go to the bride's town to get married and then bring her back.

here is a map that has Tenasco, Jalisco on it. Very close to the
epicenter of my Puentes and Diaz families in Ranchos de Animas:

http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/joseph27703/images/goodcolotlanscano…

joseph

ps: Those record are probably in Colotlan for that time period. Later
they would have been in Santa Maria de Los Angeles.

Susana Leniski wrote:

>Hi;
>
>I hope somebody can help me with this. In one of my lines from Jerez-tepetongo (Salinas line). I have a document (Marriage 1737) that saids that the family was from TENASCO. I assumed that was in Jalisco. I found a dam with the name Tenaxco very close to colotlan-Sta Maria de los Angeles. But now there isn't a town with that name. Can anyone tell me if Tenasco was the old name for the region? Where should I look for the records? Maybe Colotlan?, Maybe Sta Maria de los Angeles? Has anyone seen the name tenasco (tenaxco)?
>
>Thank you
>
>susana leniski

Susana:

The dates preclude you looking anywhere other than Jerez or Colotlan. The parishes in the other towns you mention were not yet set up in 1737. You may also want to look in Tlaltenango... I have been surprised at the number of families that would get married and baptise their children there from as far north as the Hacienda de Troje or Hacienda del Astillero.

Joseph and Arturo:

Thank you so much for the information.

Joseph, the map that you sent me is great. I was happy to see Tenasco in the
map.

Arturo, I'm going to start searching in the records from the general area.
There are not that many for the years that I'm looking. Thank-you for your
tip.

Thank you again for all your help

susana leniski

Prima,

go to the Albums area and look in the "Maps" folder for a much better
and detailed map of both Tenasco de Arriba and Tenasco de Abajo. This
map shows how out of proportion the previous map was.

have a look,

joseph

Susana Leniski wrote:

>Joseph and Arturo:
>
>Thank you so much for the information.
>
>Joseph, the map that you sent me is great. I was happy to see Tenasco in the
>map.
>
>Arturo, I'm going to start searching in the records from the general area.
>There are not that many for the years that I'm looking. Thank-you for your
>tip.
>
>Thank you again for all your help
>
>susana leniski
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "arturoramos"
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:51 PM
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tenasco
>
>
>
>
>>Susana:
>>
>>The dates preclude you looking anywhere other than Jerez or Colotlan. The
>>parishes in the other towns you mention were not yet set up in 1737. You
>>may also want to look in Tlaltenango... I have been surprised at the
>>number of families that would get married and baptise their children there
>>from as far north as the Hacienda de Troje or Hacienda del Astillero.

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