Good day.
I would like to share a summary of the findings Jorge Barba Gómez and I addressed recently regarding Captain Diego Romo de Vivar (see Facebook).
In 2024, we discovered that the parentage attributed to Captain Diego Romo de Vivar for decades was incorrect. A baptismal record from Rielves, dated March 12, 1589, had been erroneously linked to him due to a paleographic error. That record actually identifies a Diego, son of Diego Alonso (written as "Diego Aº") and Catalina Pérez, not Diego Romo. This distinction is further confirmed by the file INQUISICION,1222,Exp.12.
Our latest research confirms that the Captain, while a resident of San Felipe, Guanajuato, the home of his wife’s family, the Rangel Peguero, had a brother named Alonso de la Fuente in 1630 (see Siglo XVIII Asuntos Varios: Morelia. Registros varios 1630). We have verified that he was indeed his brother, not his brother-in-law.
Furthermore, researcher Manny Diez shared a finding indicating that an Alonso de la Fuente, also a resident of San Luis Potosí, was a native of Torrijos. Given that Torrijos is only a few kilometers from Rielves and Fuensalida, this aligns geographically with where the Romo, Rincón, and Vivar surnames are concentrated.
In these surrounding villages, we also find the Fuentes de Fuensalida family (potentially "de la Fuente") intermarried with the Rincón, Romo, and Vivar lines For instance, Juan de Fuentes, who married Inés del Rincón, was the son of Pedro Rico and María Romo (PARES | Archivos Españoles). These families claimed kinship with one another in Nueva Galicia, forming a complex family network that spanned several towns, including Fuensalida, Rielves, Torrijos, Escalonilla, Quismondo, Borox and Maqueda.
These findings also highlight the importance of reviewing the link between this family and Captain Diego de la Fuente Rincón of San Luis Potosí, who was married to Teresa Pérez de Bocanegra y Arizmendi Gogorrón.
Best regards,
Erik Reynoso.
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Thanks for sharing Erik the clarification regarding that baptismal record of Diego.
Diego Alonso Romo is the father of Diego Romo and Juan Romo
Juan Romo is the father of Maria Romo that married Pedro Rico. (Pedro Rico is the son of Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez).
Pedro Rico and Maria Romo are the parents of Isabel Fernandez (Hernandez) that married Pedro Hernandez del Rincon
Pedro Hernandez del Rincon and Isabel Hernandez are the parents of Ines del Rincon who married Juan de Fuentes
Juan de Fuentes and Ines del Rincon are the parents of Rafael Rincon
Going back to Juan Romo’s brother Diego Romo we know that this Diego Romo was also referred to as Diego Romo el Viejo as there was a long string of “Diego Romo”s in the family.
Diego Romo el Viejo’s son Diego Romo was also known as el moço
Diego Alonso Romo had more children. In this post I am only identifying two of his sons, Diego Romo el Viejo and Juan Romo. Another son of Diego Alonso Romo’s also has descent in what is now Los Altos de Jalisco. The reason for only identifying two lines right now is to confirm what Erik Andres Reynoso Marquez stated: that the Romo, Rincon, and Fuentes lines were interconnected.
Here are the names in a table:
| 2a) Juan Romo. | 1a) Diego Romo el Viejo. |
| 2b) Maria Romo + Pedro Rico (son of Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez) | 1b) Diego Romo el moço |
| 2C) Isabel Hernandez + Pedro Hernandez del Rincon | . |
| 2d) Ines del Rincon + Juan de Fuentes |
| 2e) Rafael Rincon | . |
One of the Diego Romos in the family line was also referred to as “Diego el Romo” and you can find in “PARES” a document where he is accused by the inquisition of saying some “inappropriate words”. There are a few other documents in PARES that discuss Diego el Romo. One of them is about him and his neighbor who coincidently is named Diego Alonso.
Diego el Romo, hijo de Diego García el Romo y de Isabel Álvarez. They are from the Toledo area.
Viaje a las India’s : Diego el Romo, hijo de Diego García el Romo y de Isabel Álvarez, vecinos de Illescas; y Julián de Illescas, [hijo] de Diego de Illescas y de Inés Álvarez, vecinos de Illescas. This illescas is in the Toledo area just like Rielves and Fuensalida.
The quote “inappropriate words” is mine and I use it here to not go into detail here about the accusations against him.
The Romo research has an important audience in my immediate family as my mothers maiden name is Romo, and the many Romo cousins in my family tree are very close and keep in touch daily through a WhatsApp chat that connects the family members from all over the world Some are in Milan Italy, a nephew in France, cousins in Toronto Canada, many cousins in Houston, Texas; Los Angeles, California, Mexico City, Guadalajara, Jalisco; Alaska, Seattle Washington, Bend Oregon, Tepatitlan, Jalisco, and Jalostotitlan Jalisco, and Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco, and my Tia Tere Romo Barba in Germany with her husband and daughter. They constantly bombard me with questions regarding the Romo line.
Thanks again Erik for sharing your research, I am on the lookout for your next book.
Rick A. Ricci
P.S. while researching the Romo line, be on the lookout for the name “Pedro el Romo de Velasco”. This Pedro El Romo de Velasco came over in 1585
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Saludos Erik,
When you brought up the issue of saying that you have confirmed brother and not brother in law I immediately thought of a book that I am writing on a famous person whose ancestry has been up for debate for centuries.
While looking for my ancestors I came across the true ancestry and began researching and writing about his family over 20 years ago. I had over 200 pages written when someone else wrote a book with a different twist than my ancestry for him. I was dumbfounded and wondered how all of my research showed a certain ancestry while this other book showed a different ancestry for his mother. I did even more research and my research confirmed my findings while this other author put out another book where he doubled down on his findings. And his findings hung on the word “brother”. It wasn’t until Steven Francisco Hernandez Lopez, a genealogist that I greatly admire, made a mistake in putting a family tree together because a brother in law had been called brother, but more research proved that he in fact was a brother in law. A light bulb went off in my head and that is when I figured out why the other author had put together a different family tree. the other author had made the same error. That person that he mistakenly had as the mother was the mother of his brother in law, the husband of his sister. So my research on this figure was confirmed by further research, but it took time and more work to clear up the discrepancy.
So when you say that it is confirmed that he is a brother and not a brother in law, I feel the urge to go back and research the tree some more. I feel that it is possible that Alonso de la Fuente may be the husband of Diego Romo’s sister.
or Alonso de La Fuente is a half brother to Diego Romo de Vivar Perez. There is a “Alonso de La Fuente” baptized in Santa María Magdalena, Castrillo-Tejeriego, Valladolid, Castilla y León, España on 28/Oct/1581; son of Alonso de La Fuente and Maria Perez.
Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci
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Erik, muchas gracias por compartir estas nuevas gran informaciones. !Estoy muy agradecido por el trabajo de Jorge Barba, Manny Diez y de Usted!
Un cordial saludo,
Austin Pérez
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Dear Rick and Austin,
It is a pleasure to reconnect. I am pleased that this has sparked further research, and I hope it leads to new findings.
Regarding the ancestry of Diego Romo de Vivar: we can no longer identify him as the son of Diego Romo and Catalina Pérez. The 1587 baptismal record previously attributed to him actually belongs to Diego Alonso Pérez, son of Diego Alonso (Fernández) and Catalina Pérez (daughter of Diego Pérez and Inés Gómez). Previous researchers mistook Aº (Alonso) for Rº (Romo).
I have developed an extensive family tree that incorporates the ejecutorias de hidalguía of the Vivar family, who were Mozárabes from Toledo, tracing back to the progenitors Rodrigo de Vivar and Juana Gómez de Alarcón. We must proceed carefully; the Romo family relations are exceptionally complex and frequently intersect with the aforementioned lineages. For instance, Diego Pérez (husband of Inés Gómez) was the brother of Juan de Fuentes, who married Inés del Rincón. As you noted Rick, and I fully agree, Inés was the daughter of Pedro Hernández del Rincón and Isabel Fernández.
As Rick pointed out, both brothers are the offspring of Pedro Rico and María Romo. Pedro Rico was the son of Juan Martín Rico and Marina Gómez (sister of the escudero Juan Gómez). Pedro's sister, Catalina Alonso, was married to Pablo Romo.
María Romo was the daughter of Juan Romo and an unidentified spouse (NN). Juan Romo was the brother of Diego, Alonso, and Pedro Fernández Romo. Witnesses mention these siblings were the first to arrive in Rielves, though their place of origin according to them remains unconfirmed.
Interestingly, Pedro Fernández Romo was the father of Catalina Hernández (also known as Franzesa), who married Pedro de Vivar, a resident of Fuensalida. Pedro de Vivar was the son of Diego de Vivar (a resident of Portillo de Toledo, hidalgo, and descendant of Mozárabes) and Marina Melgarejo.
Another son of Pedro de Vivar Melgarejo and Catalina Hernández (Romo) was Diego de Vivar Melgarejo. He resided in Griñón (Madrid) before traveling to New Spain, where he eventually died (Sala de Hijodalgo, Caja 1450.0002). This is the same Diego de Vivar Melgarejo located in the Philippines as regidor who, according to the García Carraffa brothers, was a founder of Santa María de los Lagos and one of the earliest residents of Aguascalientes.
Regarding the potential connection between Alonso de la Fuente and Diego Romo de Vivar, whether as biological brothers or through another relation, I remain open-minded. However, I believe we cannot, and must not, exclude the broader intersections of the Fuente, Romo, and Vivar families from the equation. This includes the link to Captain Diego de la Fuente Rincón, as the Rincón de Ortega family were uncles to the Romo de Vivar branch. This connection may exist via the Romo line or through the Rincón lineage as well, which may prove to be a direct part of Diego Romo de Vivar’s true ancestry.
Best regards,
Erik
P.S. I will attach also to Nuestros Ranchos the dossier as Familiar del Santo Oficio of Diego Pérez de Vivar in case it proves to be useful.
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Thank you very much Erik for your research into the Romo family. It is with great pleasure that I read your notes on your research as it coincides with my research into the Romo family. No contradictions from my research at all. The only question that was not in my notes at all was the possible family connection Alonso de La Fuente and Diego Romo.
I would like to point out that a Diego Alonso was a neighbor in conflict with Diego el Romo so maybe researching the conflict between them may possibly disclose a family connection between them. Or at least identify exactly where they lived. You can find the document in PARES.
And don’t forget to keep an eye out for Pedro el Romo Velasco as he came over in 1585 and I have a feeling that he is also part of the family tree.
Thanks again for your research into my Romo family.
Rick A Ricci
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I uploaded the dossier here: Diego Pérez de Vivar | Nuestros Ranchos Site
Images 8 and 9 contain a list of relatives.
8, at the bottom says: "Tía hermana de su padre de Diego Pérez que murió en Indias es Catalina Pérez, casó con Diego Alonso Fernández, familiar en Rielves..."
9, continues: "...hijo de los dichos de Diego Alonso y Catalina Pérez, Diego Alonso Fernández, familiar en Rielves y de Madrid donde está casado".
Consequently, the existence of Diego Romo de Vivar Pérez is disproven by these records also. The individual in question is actually Diego Alonso Pérez (Fernández), who served as a Familiar del Santo Oficio like his father and was established and married in Madrid.
Best regards,
Erik
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Thanks again Erik as your last post proves without a doubt that the two Diego’s aren’t the same person. I did not have that information regarding the Diego being part of the inquisition and that he continued to live in Madrid so I mistakenly thought that maybe it was still possibly our Diego Romo de Vivar. This hammers the nails into the coffin to that idea.
Rick A. Ricci
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In many cases where someone is illegitimate someone in the family tries to hide that fact and makes up a different family connection. Many years ago I shared the following information based on a primary source, a will, that clearly identifies Pero (Pedro) Gonzalez de Alcocer is his father. Fernando Diaz de Alcocer is the grandfather to Jurado “Diego Diaz de Alcocer”.
No hay dos Jurado Diego de Alcocers, pero si hay dos Diego de Alcocer. Fernando de Alcocer si tuvo un hijo Diego de Alcocer que murio joven. El padre de Jurado Diego de Alcocer es el Doctor Pero (Pedro) Gonzalez de Alcocer.
I find Diego de Alcocer listed as a son to Fernan Diaz de Alcocer as passing away at a young age, way too young to have left descendants.
Later on when the family all of Fernan’s children are recorded in a document you don’t find Diego’s name there because he had already passed away. The other Diego Alcocer is from an illegitimate relationship that his son the priest had.
The source where I had picked up my information is Juan de la Barreda y Acedo-Rico in his book Viejas Familias de Alcalá de Henares. My other source was Laura Balletto's citation of the will stating that Diego is Pedro Gonzalez de Alcocer’s son and therefore Fernando de Alcocer’s grandchild. According to a will, Pedro Gonzalez de Alcocer is his father.
Pedro Gonzalez De Alcocer was a priest (Doctor Pedro González de Alcocer, canónigo de la Iglesia Catedral de Sevilla). In this scenario Diego is illegitimate. Real estate deals involve the buyer checking for legal ownership of the seller. Real estate transactions must be written, as oral real estate transactions are not enforceable. Laura Balleto’s citation of the Will shows that chain of ownership from the previous owner, Diego, and how he had acquired it, through an inheritance from his Father Pedro Gonzalez De Alcocer who stated in his will that he was leaving it to his son Jurado Diego Alcocer, Our ancestor Diego.
Rick A. Ricci
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Saludos Erik,
Hello Erik,
I applaud your focus on the De Vivar (de Bibar) family as most other searches have focused primarily on the Romo surname. And most searches have focused on the name Diego Romo, as the name Diego is repeated often in each family in Spain, and the name Diego Romo de Vivar is repeated in Nueva Galicia. But the name Pedro is also repeatedly found in Spain and Nueva Galicia, which leads me to the following question:
Can you add any information on Pedro de Bibar (de Vivar) and his wife Catalina Romo (daughter of Pedro de Vivar is from Fuensalida that are mentioned in the document you provided? Is this Pedro de Vivar and Catalina Romo the same couple that you mentioned earlier.
Pedro Rincon de Ortega is named as Diego Romo de Vivar’s uncle. It is most likely that Pedro is a “tio abuelo” as Pedro’s parents are Francisco Rincon de Vivar y Romo and Maria de La Vega. Pedro Rincon’s paternal grandparents are Luis Rincon and Maria Romo. I believe that this Maria Romo the aunt of Catalina Romo. This is just a guess based on the information on hand. Catalina Romo is named as a niece of “Maria Romo” and her mother a sister of Maria Romo I believe that it is possible that Catalina’s father name is de Fuente which would could explain Diego having a brother with the surname de Fuente. Do you have the name of Alonso de La Fuente’s wife to see if they are brothers-in-laws?
This is just an exercise showing how the parts of the puzzle show Pedro Rincon de Ortega as a great uncle of Diego Romo de Vivar:
Pedro Romo cc Maria Gomez (De Vivar) parents of (1a) Maria Romo and (2a) Pedro Romo
| 1a)-Maria Romo cc Luis Rincon | 2a)-(same as 1a) |
| 1b)- Francisco Rincon de Vivar cc Maria de Ortega | 2b)- Hermana de Francisco Rincon Vivar y Romo cc Señor con El apellido (de La Fuente. ) |
| 1c)- Pedro Rincon y Ortega | 2C)- Catalina Romo cc Pedro de Vivar (de Fuensalida) |
| . | 2d)- Diego Romo de Vivar. |
Or
| 1a)-Maria Romo cc Luis Rincon | 2a)- hermana de (1a Maria Romo) Cc ? |
| 1b)- Francisco Rincon de Vivar cc Maria de Ortega | 2b)- Catalina Romo cc Pedro de Vivar (de Fuensalida) |
| 1c)- Pedro Rincon y Ortega | 2C)- unknown parents of (2d) |
| . | 2d)- Diego Romo de Vivar. |
or ?
| 1a)-Maria Romo cc Luis Rincon | 2a)- |
| 1b)- Francisco Rincon de Vivar cc Maria de Ortega | 2b)- |
| 1c)- Pedro Rincon y Ortega | 2C)- |
| . | 2d)- Diego. Romo de Vivar. |
Here are a couple of other possible leads: Hernando Romo (hijo de Juan Romo y Catalina Sanchez) married to Elena (hija de Juan Roman y Catalina).
Hernando Romo and Elena are the parents of another Catalina Romo. Hernando Romo traveled to the “indias” with his wife and daughter in the early 1500’s, (1513 by himself and again with his wife and daughter in 1515).
https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/5531143?nm
https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/5448878?nm
Thanks again for all your research,
Rick A. Ricci
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Hello Erik,
Here are some more documents that may provide more puzzle pieces:
Informaciones genealógicas de Juan García Rosado, natural de San Juan del Puerto (Huelva), pretendiente a familiar del Tribunal de la Inquisición de México, y de su mujer María Romo, natural de Rielves (Toledo)
S supplied title:
Informaciones genealógicas de Juan García Rosado y de María Romo, su mujer
reference number:
INQUISICIÓN,1277,Exp.38
date of formation:
1628
level of description:
Unidad Documental Compuesta_en
reference code:
ES.28079.AHN//INQUISICIÓN,1277,Exp.38
https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/1551676?nm
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Pedro Perez 1569
Expediente de concesión de licencia para pasar a Nueva España a favor de Pedro Pérez, vecino de Rielves, que va a México, donde están sus primos Luis del Rincón y Alonso Romo Mateo Romo
https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/438983
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Proceso criminal de Alonso Romo, familiar del santo oficio, natural y vecino de Portillo de Toledo, a instacia de Henán González, vecino de Fuensalida, por dar puñaladas
https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/3685155/imprimir
supplied title:
Proceso criminal de Alonso Romo
reference number:
INQUISICIÓN,2088,Exp.4
date of formation:
1562
level of description:
Unidad Documental Compuesta_en
reference code:
ES.28079.AHN//INQUISICIÓN,2088,Exp.4
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https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/134529?nm
Here is a record of a Diego Romo crossing the Atlantic Ocean as a criado of his brother Luis Romo Diaz (Daza). Diego and Luis are the sons of Juan Romo y Ana Díaz de Agüero.
What is interesting about the next line is tha JUan Romo’s father is not surnamed Romo, his mother is the Romo:
On more than one occasion I have found someone surnamed Diaz to later find them with the longer surname Diaz de Vivar.
Alonso Diaz and Maria Romo are the parents of
Juan Romo who married Maria Diaz (daughter of Juan Alonso El Viejo and Ana Diaz).
They are the parents of Pedro Romo who traveled to new Spain in 1594
the area where Pedro Romo is from is part of Rielves , Toledo
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/memories/2MS7-VRX
Pedro is most likely a cousin of Diego Romo and Luis Romo.
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Saludos Erik,
Here is a legal battle between two family members that are in that document that you provided Erik.
https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/find?nm=&texto=Diego+romo+de+palacios+
Pleito entre Diego Alonso Fernández, vecino de Madrid (Madrid), contra Diego Romo de Palacios, vecino de Fuensalida (Toledo), sobre la tenuta y posesión de los memorías y obras pías que fundó Luis Gómez.
I believe that Luis Gomez is ancestor to Maria Gomez.
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Bienes de difuntos: Diego del Rincón
Diego del Rincón, vecino de Toledo, donde murió con testamento. 1584.
sobre los bienes de Diego del Rincón, vecino de Toledo, donde murió con testamento. Casado con Ana de Luján, vecina de Toledo. Heredero: Juan Rincón, su hijo
https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/94599
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Ejecutoria del pleito litigado por Pedro de Vivar, vecino de Rielves (Toledo), con el concejo de dicha villa, sobre su hidalguía. Archivo de la Real Chancillería de Valladolid 1575
https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/6678462?nm
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Saludos Eric,
After researching the subject, I discovered that you were correct in your original statement that Diego Romo de Vivar and Alonso Fuentes are brothers. After reading documents that identify Juan Luis Ricon’s brother’s genealogical tree I am convinced, and I no longer doubt that they are brothers.
The document states that Juan de Fuentes married his niece, Isabel Hernandez. So Isabel’s maternal grandmother and her mother in law is the same person, Maria Romo.
Juan Fuentes had a first marriage prior to his marriage to his niece, Ysabel Hernandez.
Thanks again for all your work Erik,
Rick A. Ricci
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Romo lineage from Juan Romo to Pedro Rincon Ortega, uncle of Diego Romo de Vivar:
| 1A )- Juan Romo | 2A)- Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez |
| 1B)- Maria Romo + Pedro Rico [son of (1a)Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez]. | 2B)- Pedro Rico + Maria Romo [daughter of (2a) Juan Romo]. |
| 1C)- Isabel Hernandez + Pedro Hernandez del Rincon | 2C)- Juan de Fuentes [brother of (1C) Isabel Hernandez] married his niece (1D) Ines de Rincon. Juan de Fuentes is a brother of (3A) Diego Pérez who is married to Inés Gómez] |
| 1D)- Ines del Rincon married her maternal uncle (2C) Juan de Fuentes. The reason that Juan took “de Fuentes” as a surname was because he was “natural de La Villa de Fuentes”. | 3A)- Diego Pérez and Inés Gómez. (Diego Perez took the surname Perez because his father’s name is Pedro. This naming practice, or taking a surname from where you were from, were still common practices in the early 1500’s) |
| 1E)- Juan “Luis” Rincon + Maria Romo de Vivar | 3B)- Catalina Pérez and Diego Alonso (Fernández) |
| 1F)- Francisco Rincon de Vivar + Maria de Ortega [Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as “Tio de los hermanos Diego Romo de Vivar y Alfonso Fuentes] | 3c)-Diego Alonso Pérez. [This is the cousin whose baptismal record is mistakenly claimed to be of Diego Romo de Vivar.] |
| 1G)- Pedro Rincon y Ortega. [The Diego Romo de Vivar that identifies Pedro Rincon as his tio is son of Capitán Diego Romo de Vivar.] | Pedro Rincon de y Ortega is identified as a first cousin to Diego Romo de Arellano and Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar. Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as as uncle to Antonio Romo de Arellano and Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar is the son of one of Francisco’s siblings. |
By Rick A. Ricci, book Mygenes2000
We can take this to mean that Diego Romo de Vivar descends from Juan Luis Rincon and Maria Romo de Vivar. We don’t know if it is through Francisco Rincon y Romo de Vivar or through a sibling.
There are many marriages among the family, first, second, and third cousins marrying, so there are many possible parents, or grandparents of Diego Romo de Vivar. What limits the possibilities is that we know who Diego’s uncle is, Pedro Rincon y Ortega, and who his brother is, Alonso Fuentes.
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Additional clues to research to help find the parents of Diego Romo de Vivar:
1)- Alonso Diaz and Maria Romo are the parents of
2)- Juan Romo who married Maria Diaz (daughter of Juan Alonso El Viejo and Ana Diaz).
3)- Pedro Romo who traveled to new Spain in 1594
https://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/134529?nm
Here is a record of a Diego Romo crossing the Atlantic Ocean as a criado of his brother Luis Romo Diaz (Daza). Diego and Luis are the sons of Juan Romo y Ana Díaz de Agüero.
This Diego Romo could be the same person as Diego Romo de Vivar.
I don’t know if ther parents of Pedro Romo (Juan Romo and Maria Diaz) are the same people as Juan Romo and Ana Diaz de Aguero who are the parents of Diego Romo and Luis Romo.
There is still a lot more research, reading of documents, to find out exactly how Diego Romo de Vivar is a nephew of Pedro Rincon y Ortega.
Book Mygenes2000
Rick A. Ricci
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Hello Erik and Manny,
I went back and reread your statement that:
“Diego Pérez (husband of Inés Gómez) was the brother of Juan de Fuentes, who married Inés del Rincón.”.
I did not have that information. Another tangle in this family web.
Thanks again Erik for your excellent work,
and thank you Manny for finding the information that Alonso de Fuentes is a brother of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar. It drove me to do more research which added many puzzle pieces.
Rick A. Ricci
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| 1)- Juan Martín Rico and Marina Gómez | Notes: [Marina is sister of the escudero Juan Gómez] |
| 2)- Pedro Rico and María Romo | Notes: (Maria Romo is the daughter of Juan Romo) [Pedro's sister, Catalina Alonso, was married to Pablo Romo who is brother to Juan Romo] |
| 3)- Diego Pérez and Inés Gómez | Notes: [ Diego is a brother of Juan de Fuentes, and Isabel Fernandez ] [ Juan de Fuentes marries as his second wife, his niece, the daughter of his sister, Isabel Fernandez, and her husband Pedro Hernandez del Rincon] |
| 4)- Catalina Pérez and Diego Alonso (Fernández) | Notes: [Ynes del Rincon is the daughter of Pedro Hernandez del Rincon and Ysabel Fernandez. Ysabel marries her uncle Juan de Fuentes. Ynes del Rincon is a first cousin to Catalina Pérez. Catalina’s brother is Diego Perez who is married to Ana Diaz de Vivar.] |
| 5)- Diego Alonso Pérez | Notes: [Diego Alonso Perez is a second cousin to (1a) Juan Luis Rincon who marries Maria Romo de Vivar. ] |
| Notes: (1)Juan Luis Rincon and Maria Romo de Vivar are the parents of (2b) Francisco Rincon de Vivar. | |
| Notes: (2b) Francisco Rincon de Vivar + Maria de Ortega. [Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as the uncle of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.] | |
| Notes: 3c) Pedro Rincon y Ortega is identified as a first cousin to Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar. Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as uncle of Diego Romo de Arellano and Capitan Romo de Vivar. The son of the Capitan, also named Diego Romo de Vivar, is the one that identifies Pedro Rincon as his “tio”. |
By Rick A. Ricci, book Mygenes2000
| 1A )- Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez | 2A)- Juan Romo is the father of Maria Romo |
| 1B)- Pedro Rico + Maria Romo [daughter of 2B) | 2B)- Maria Romo m. Pedro Rico [son of (1A).] |
| 1C)- Juan de Fuentes [aka Juan Rico y Romo] married his niece Ynes Hernandez del Rincon. Daughter of his sister (3C) Ysabel Fernandez and Pedro Hernandez del Rincon. The reason that Juan took “de Fuentes” as a surname was because he was “natural de La Villa de Fuentes”. | 2C) Diego Perez who married Inés Gómez. [ Diego Perez took the surname Perez because his father’s name is Pedro. This naming practice, or taking a surname from where you were from, were still common practices in the early 1500’s). Diego Perez is the brother of (1C) Juan Fuentes and (3C)Ysabel Fernandez who married Pedro Hernandez del Rincon. |
| 1D)- Juan “Luis” Rincon + (2F)- Maria Romo de Vivar | 2D)- Diego Perez who is married to Ana Diaz de Vivar. |
| 1E)- Francisco Rincon de Vivar + Maria de Ortega. [Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as the uncle of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar, son of a sibling of Francisco] | 2E) Diego Perez de Vivar married to Maria Romo, |
| 1F)- Pedro Rincon y Ortega. Notes: Pedro Rincon y Ortega is identified as a first cousin to Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar. Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as uncle to Diego Romo de Arellano and Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.. The son of the Capitan, also named Diego Romo de Vivar, is the one that identifies Pedro Rincon as his “tio”. | 2F)- Maria Romo de Vivar + Juan Luis Rincon [However, the document naming Maria Romo de Vivar’s parents as the connection to Juan Luis Rincon and his brother Rafael del Rincon is confusing. So this part is open for discussion. The document names connections to the Rincon on both sides, from the Perez and the Romo lines.] [ [Juan Luis Rincon y Maria Romo de Vivar tienen por lo menos tres hijos : 1F) Francisco Rincon de Vivar, 2G) Antonio Romo, y “hermano X” (padre/madre de Diego Romo e Vivar).Maria Romo de Vivar. |
| 2G)- Antonio Romo married Ana de Arellano | |
| 2H)- Diego Romo de Arellano [primo hermano de Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar. ] ["cuando vino de los Reinos de Castilla, entró sirviendo a Francisco Rincón, su tío", a quien sirvió “por quince o dieciséis años” y “que pasó y socorrió a su primo Diego Romo de Vivar”.] [Alonso Fuentes is identified as a brother of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.] |
testamento de Diego Romo de Arellano: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-13G6-S?lang=en&i=…
El testamento de Diego Romo de Arellano fue otorgado en Tlaltenango el 26 de octubre de 1667
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Pedro Rincon y Ortega is identified as a first cousin to Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar. Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as uncle of Diego Romo de Arellano and Capitán Diego Romo de Vivar. The son of the Capitan, also named Diego Romo de Vivar, is the one that identifies Pedro Rincon Ortega as his “tio”. Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar and a first cousin, Diego Romo de Arellano, are sons of siblings of their tio Francisco Ricon y Romo de Vivar.
"cuando vino de los Reinos de Castilla, entró sirviendo a Francisco Rincón, su tío", a quien sirvió “por quince o dieciséis años” y “que pasó y socorrió a su primo Diego Romo de Vivar”
| 1A )- Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez | 2A)- Juan Romo is the father of Maria Romo |
| 1B)- Pedro Rico + Maria Romo [daughter of 2B) | 2B)- Maria Romo m. Pedro Rico [son of (1A).] |
| 1C)- Juan de Fuentes [aka Juan Rico y Romo] married his niece Ynes Hernandez del Rincon. Daughter of his sister (3C) Ysabel Fernandez and Pedro Hernandez del Rincon. The reason that Juan took “de Fuentes” as a surname was because he was “natural de La Villa de Fuentes”. | 2C) Diego Perez who married Inés Gómez. [Diego Perez took the surname Perez because his father’s name is Pedro. This naming practice, or taking a surname from where you were from, were still common practices in the early 1500’s). Diego Perez is brother of (1C) Juan Fuentes and (3C) Ysabel Fernandez (who married Pedro Hernandez de Rincon.) |
| 1D)- Juan “Luis” Rincon + (2F)- Maria Romo de Vivar | 2D)- Diego Perez who is married to Ana Diaz de Vivar. |
| 1E)- Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as the uncle of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar, son of a sibling of Francisco] | 2E) Diego Perez de Vivar (aka Diego de Vivar) married to Maria Romo, |
| 1F)- Pedro Rincon y Ortega. Notes: Pedro Rincon y Ortega is identified as a first cousin to Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar and Diego Romo y Arellano. Francisco Rincon de Vivar is identified as “tio” of Diego Romo de Arellano and Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar . The son of the Capitan, also named Diego Romo de Vivar, is the one that identifies Pedro Rincon as his “tio”. | 2F)- Maria Romo de Vivar + Juan Luis Rincon [ [Juan Luis Rincon y Maria Romo de Vivar tienen por lo menos tres hijos : 1F) Francisco Rincon de Vivar, 2G) Antonio Romo, y “hermano X” (padre/madre de Diego Romo e Vivar).] |
| 2G)- Antonio Romo married Ana de Arellano | |
| 2H)- Diego Romo de Arellano [primo hermano de Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar. ["cuando vino de los Reinos de Castilla, entró sirviendo a Francisco Rincón, su tío", a quien sirvió “por quince o dieciséis años” y “que pasó y socorrió a su primo Diego Romo de Vivar”.] [Alonso Fuentes is identified as a brother of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar.] | |
testamento de Diego Romo de Arellano: El testamento de Diego Romo de Arellano fue otorgado en Tlaltenango el 26 de octubre de 1667 Prueba: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-13G6-S?lang=en&i=… |
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2H)- same as (1F) Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar
| 1A )- Juan Martin Rico and Marina Gomez | 2A)- Juan Romo is the father of Maria Romo |
| 1B)- Pedro Rico + Maria Romo [daughter of 2B) | 2B)- Maria Romo m. Pedro Rico [son of (1A).] |
| 1C)- Juan de Fuentes [aka Juan Rico y Romo] married twice. His second marriage is to his niece Ynes del Rincon. Daughter of his sister (3C) Ysabel Fernandez and Pedro Hernandez del Rincon. The reason that Juan took “de Fuentes” as a surname was because he was “natural de La Villa de Fuentes”. | 2C)- Diego Perez who married Inés Gómez. [Diego Perez took the surname Perez because his father’s name is Pedro. This naming practice, or taking a surname from where you were from, were still common practices in the early 1500’s). Diego Perez is the brother of (1C) Juan Fuentes and (3C) Ysabel Fernandez. |
| 1D)- Juan “Luis” Rincon + (2F)- Maria Romo de Vivar [Juan Luis Rincon y Maria Romo de Vivar tienen por lo menos tres hijos : (1F)Francisco Rincon de Vivar, (2G) Antonio Romo, and [(1E) Sibling X)], (parent of Diego Romo de Vivar).] | 2D)- Diego Perez who is married to Ana Diaz de Vivar. |
| 1E)- “Sibling X” Francisco Rincon de Vivar and Antonio Romo are identified as uncles of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar, son of “Sibling X Romo]. | 2E) Diego Perez de Vivar (aka Diego de Vivar) married to Maria Romo, |
| 1F)- Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar same as (2H). | 2F)- Maria Romo de Vivar + (1D) Juan Luis Rincon [Juan Luis Rincon y Maria Romo de Vivar tienen por lo menos tres hijos : (1F)Francisco Rincon de Vivar, (2G) Antonio Romo, and [ (Sibling X), parent of Diego Romo de Vivar).]. [Francisco Rincon de Vivar and Antonio Romo are identified as uncles of Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar, son of “Sibling X”.] |
| 2G)- “Sibling X Romo” [same as (1E) | |
| Notes: Pedro Rincon y Ortega is identified as a first cousin to Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar and Diego Romo y Arellano.]. [Francisco Rincon de Vivar identified as “tio” of Diego Romo de Arellano and Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar . The son of the Capitan, also named Diego Romo de Vivar, is the one that identifies Pedro Rincon as his “tio” | 2H)- Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar Evidence: testamenta de Diego Romo de Arellano, primo hermano of Cap.Diego Romo de Vivar. No se sabe si es por el padre o La madre de Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar. Si se sabe que tio de estos primos es Francisco Rincon de Vivar, hermano del padre de Diego Romo de Arellano, Antonio Romo casado con Ana Arellano. El testamento de Diego Romo de Arellano fue otorgado en Tlaltenango el 26 de octubre de 1667 |
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Diego Romo and Juan Romo