Pat,

I've looked at what you have questions about.

1. This is the same as number four. The person that input the record wrote
it incorrectly because the priest had too much ink so it is hard to read
the surname. It does not say Gijondes. The L is wrote in the style of the
era and it is Lizarde. It states the parents are Bme de Aspitia (Espitia) y
Juana Lizarde (Elizalde) Padrinos Sebastian de Espinosa y Ana Garcia
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-51426-17?cc=1410092&…

2. This record states that Isabel de Aspitia is the daughter of Francisco
de Aspitia and Francisca de Quiroga.

Armando

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

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> Bill and Armando,
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> Bill, In your previous posting you mentioned the following...
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> "Macario de Espitia was baptized 21 Jan 1659 in Aguascalientes [ Film
> 0299421 Baptisms 1616-1660 Aguascalientes ] and buried 1 May 1732 [ Film
> 299856 Defunciones 1620-1752 Aguascalientes ]. He was the son of Bartolome
> de Espitia and Juana Gonzalez (aka Juana de la Cerda, Juana de Espinosa,
> Juana Lopez de Elizalde, Juana Gonzalez Lisardi). The parents of Bartolome
> de Espitia were Francisco de Espitia and Francisca de Quiroga."
>
> Bill, did you actually locate and view Macario's bapt record ?
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> I accessed the Aqauscalientes films, No Baptisms records for 1611 - 1660,
> but one for 1616 - 1662...so I viewed that one, it didn't have a film
> number so I couldn't verify it with the film # you provided...
>
> Here's my findings...
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> 1. I couldn't locate a bapt record for Macario for 21 Jan 1659...very
> difficult for me to read....
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> 2. I did locate something rather interesting last entry on the right
> of image 262 of 324
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> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-50415-14?cc=1410092&…
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> It appears to be a marriage record for a Isabel Apitias... plus it has a
> "veiling," notation.
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> This continues onto images 263 of 324...(top left page)
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> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-52247-20?cc=1410092&…
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> The document side bar is referring to a Gaspar de Aguilar ??? The names
> of Francisco Aspitias and Francisca de Quiroga are mentioned in the text.
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> 3. I don't know what to make of all this...
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> 4. LDS has a listing for a Macario Aspitia Gijondes - male - baptism - 21
> Jan 1659 -
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> El Sagrario, Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes, Mexico
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> Father: Bme.De Aspitia
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> Mother: Juana Gijondes
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> Batch: C604761 Film # 299421
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> Is Gijondes another spelling variation for Gonzalez or is this an indexing
> error on the part of LDS input?
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> Pat Silva Corbera
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> Tracy, CA
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pat Corbera"
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:13:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help Needed - Simona De Silva Image 33 of
> 241
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Pat,

I have been researching my lines in Aguascalientes for about ten years and have been through most microfilms and online records for the 16th and 17th centuries. My database includes more than 15,000 individuals, not all of them are my ancestors but most of them linked by family ties.

The entry for the baptism of Macario de Espitia can be found in the 1st. book of Baptisms and Marriages of Aguascalientes [ Bautismos y Matrimonios, 1616-1662. Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes. Image 215 of 324 ] The record reads as follows:

Al margen: "Macario Spañol"

"En veinte y uno de enero año de mil y seiscientos y sinqta
y nueve Baptise y puse los SStos. olios a Macario hijo de Bme. de
Espitia y Juana Lisardi* fueron sus padrinos Sebastian
de Spinosa y Ana Garcia y lo firme *Lisardi
[firma] Bme. de Soto
y Carvajal"
The link for this record is

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-51426-17?cc=1410092&…

The record you found in the same book, image 262 of 324, is the marriage of Domingo de Salinas with Isabel de Espitia.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-50415-14?cc=1410092&…

Isabel de Espitia is the sister of Bartholome de Espitia and daughter of Francisco de Espitia and Francisca de Quiroga. The record reads:

Al margen: "Domingo de
Salinas con Isabel
de Aspitia no se ve-
laron .- velelos
en diez y seis dias de febo.
de mil y seiscientos y cuarenta
en la Parrochial fueron
sus Padrinos
Gaspar de Aguilar
y Bernarda Salado
y para q' conste lo
Rubrique"
(rúbrica del Cura)

"En la Villa de Aguas Calientes en dos dias del mes de
Junio de mill y seiscientos y treinta y nuebe habiendo
precedido todo lo dispuesto por el Sto. Concilio de Trento y las
amonestaciones en quince de Maio Domingo y en veinte
y dos Domingo y en veinte y nuebe del dho. mes Domingo
case y no vele a Domingo de Salinas hijo de Christo-
val de Salinas y Magdalena de Aguaio nl. de las Minas
de los Ramos vesino y Parrochiano desta Villa
de tiempo de un año de esta parte con Isavel de Aspitia
nl. desta Villa hija legitima de Franco. de Aspitia
y Franca. de Quiroga sus padres. Fueron testigos al casamiento
Pedro Arias Pardo, Gaspar de Aguilar su padrino
Martin Perez? Diego de Orosco Alonso de Renteria
y Nicolas de Bustamante en fee de lo cual lo fir-
me ut supra" El Licdo. Diego de
Torres y Ribera

I will answer your other questions in a separate email, including your question about the DE LA CERDA lineage.

Regards,

BILL FIGUEROA

Hi Bill,

Now that the Lopez de la Cerda have been brought into this conversation I
wanted to ask if you or anyone in the NR forum has any information on the
grandparents of Phelipe Lopez De La Serda Marin , who married Juan Perez de
Frias Flores on May 29 1749 (vecinos de Rio Chico, Teocaltiche). I have
Phelipe's parents listed as Matheo Lopez de la Serda and Jacinta Marin.
Does anyone have information on Matheo and Jacinta's lineage?

Thanks and I look forward to your response.

Regards,
Juan Aguayo

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Bill Figueroa wrote:

> Pat,
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> I have not traced Juana Gonzalez (aka Juana de la Cerda) lineage to
> determine whether or not she is a descendant of the De la Cerda nobles that
> descend from Fernando de la Cerda, Infante d'Castile, and his wife Branca
> de Francia. I have found the compounded surname López de la Cerda in early
> records of Aguascalientes, San Luis Potosí and Jalisco. The earliest in my
> database is Agustín López de la Cerda, who married Lucía Rodríguez de
> Victoria 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosí. His son Agustín López de la Cerda
> (el mozo) married María de Isla y Sotomayor 3 June 1667 in Aguascalientes.
> His daughter Josepha López de la Cerda married Isidro Martín de Sotomayor,
> probably in Aguascalientes, and Simona López de la Cerda married Nicolás
> Martín de Sotomayor in Teocaltiche. Simona and Nicolás lived in Sierra de
> Pinos and had children in Aguascalientes. So far I have not tried to link
> Juana de la Cerda to these families, but I feel that she was probably
> related.
>
> My ancestor Don Luis de la Cerda y Tapia arrived in Nicaragua with the
> entourage of Spaniards that accompanied the new Governor and Captain
> General Don Rodrigo de Contreras y de la Hoz in November 1535 [Catálogo de
> Pasajeros a Indias, Archivo General de Indias, Ed. 1942]. He was the son
> of Melchor de la Cerda and Catalina de Tapia, residents of Segovia. His
> descendants played an important role in ruling Central America during
> colonial times. As you probably know, the Audiencia de Guatemala, like the
> Audiencia de Nueva Galicia, formed part of the Nueva España. It
> encompassed the Central American countries of Guatemala, el Salvador,
> Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and the Mexican states of Chiapas and
> Tabasco. As far as I know, the de la Cerdas from Central America were not
> related to those in the Nueva Galicia.
>
> An interesting note, in his book "Rivers of Gold. The rise of the Spanish
> Empire", Hugh Thomas wrote: "A third family that began to rival the Guzmáns
> and the Ponces de León in the fifteen century (in Spain) were the de la
> Cerdas, royal counts and then dukes of Medinaceli, lords of El Puerto de
> Santa María. A palace of the Medinacelis, the Casa de Pilatos, remains a
> center of both attention and affection. Other families who played a great
> part in Seville despite connection elsewhere were the Portocarreros, the
> Zúñigas, the Dávalos, the Saavedras, and, increasingly, the Afans de
> Riveras."
>
> BILL FIGUEROA