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Hello my name is Ernestina Hernandez Sierra. It has been awhile since I've worked on my family tree due to serious illness in the family. Currently I am researching the Hernandez family. From my research it looks like starting with my great great great grandfather the family was from Cerrogordo Jalisco. Can any one tell me anything about this area. My grandfather was born in La Ordena? Is this a town? This is what I have found;
Grandfather Jose Ambrosia Hernandez Chaves born 7 Dec 1881 in La Ordena Jalisco
g-grandfater Pedro Hernandez born 1 July 1858 in Cerrogordo Jalisco
gg-grand Jose Andres Hernandez born 30 Nov 1824 in Cerrogordo Jalisco
ggg-grandfather Juan de dios born Aug 1790 in Cerrogordo, Jalisco
gggg- gramdfather Juan Franciso Hernandez- run into a dead end here.

My grandfather Ambrosia/o immigrated to the United States around the turn of the century.

Is there anyone out there that might be able to help with this.

Thank you so much
Ernestina

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Armando

10 years 2 months ago

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Your grandfather is José Ambrocio. Ambrocia is a female's name. Some men to do have names such as José María but your grandfather's baptismal record clearly has him as J. Ambrocio (José Ambrocio). https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-22578-52

La Ordeña is a ranch in Arandas, Jalisco which is next to San Diego de Alejandría where your grandfather was baptized. You can see a map of where it is located at http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/mapas/la-ordena-7 and it is very close to the ranch Manuel Martínez Valadez http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/mapas/manuel-martinez-valadez-agua-neg… . You can compare it with a map of Arandas that has larger ranches with small black squares and you can see the ranch Manuel Martínez Valadez in the top right close to the border of San Diego de Alejandría at http://iieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/Arandas_MBase2013.j…

La Ordeña means dairy farm but they also use it for a name in this case. Ordeñar means to extract milk and it most cases it is in reference to milking a cow.

Have you looked at all of the baptisms of the children of Juan Francisco Hernández and María Petra de la Torre? They might mention the grandparents as the padrinos in one of the baptismal records.

Unfortunately it looks like you are out of luck with finding an información matrimonial in Tepa or Arandas for Juan Francisco Hernández and María Petra de la Torre prior to April 1771 when they had their first child.

The only other option will be to find a dispensa for a great-great grandchild of Juan Francisco Hernández and María Petra de la Torre. There might be one because the following page shows Juan Francisco Hernández to be a son of Juan de Dios Hernández Gamiño Valdivia and of Juana Margarita Navarro Gaytán. A source is not cited so I don't know how reliable that information is. http://gw.geneanet.org/barbaybarba?lang=es;p=juan+francisco;n=hernandez…

Armando

Thanks so much Armando. I was thinking maybe the DNA testing would be of help. What do you think. My family seems to have lived in other parts of Jalisco also. What do you think and what would be your recommendation for the DNA test

Tina Eley

Hi Armando.
This is first time I have seen the last part of the name Gamino Valdivia after the Hernandez. What does this mean? Should I be using this in my research going forward? I want to thank you and Nuestros Ranchos for having such a wonderful site.

Tina Eley

Hi Armando.
This is first time I have seen the last part of the name Gamino Valdivia after the Hernandez. What does this mean? Should I be using this in my research going forward? I want to thank you and Nuestros Ranchos for having such a wonderful site.

Tina Eley

Thanks so much Armando. I was thinking maybe the DNA testing would be of help. What do you think. My family seems to have lived in other parts of Jalisco also. What do you think and what would be your recommendation for the DNA test

Tina Eley

Hello Tina,

The surname Hernández Gamiño is a compound surname. The patriarch of the Hernández Gamiño line can be read about at http://historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/macias.html#num9

Juan de Dios Hernández Gamiño Valdivia is named that way because in México it is customary to use the paternal and the maternal surname. Hernández Gamiño is his compound paternal surname and Valdivia is his maternal surname (This is called the mother's maiden name in the U.S.).

There are two people in the Nueva Galicia DNA project that belong to that line and have the same Y-DNA. If you wanted to see if one of your close male relatives with the Hernández surname matches them then yes a Y-DNA37 test will show that.

I imagine you are still going to want to find documentation for that line and you need to find all of the Hernandez dispensas at http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/ and http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/

A Google search at the second one is the easiest way to find the Hernandez dispensas. Copy and paste the following into Google.

Hernandez site:http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/

Armando

Hi Armando,
Thanks for you reply. There is just so much to understand about Mexican genealogy and I have a lot to learn. I am attaching the baptism record for Jose Andres Hernandez Arias which shows his parents and grandparents along with his padrinos. I question whether the Juan Francisco
Hernandez and petrona de la Torre from Arandes are the Hernandez I am looking for because all the Hernandez's I have found to be related are from the Cerro Gordo and La Ordena, near San diego de Alejandria, Jalisco.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NR58-9ZV

This is the baptism record for Andres Hernandez

thanks for all your help
Tina

Tina,

I guess this is where you learn that many times men would move away from their birth town to marry and they would live close the family of the wife. This is also where you learn that the names of towns have changed, haciendas have become towns, and jurisdictions have changed. Most of that happened after the independence of Mexico.

The digitized image of the baptism of José Andrés is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18562-43844-45

It shows that he was baptized in the town of Tepatitlán and born in the ranch or hacienda Cerro Gordo. It also shows that his grandparents were Juan Francisco Hernández and Petrona de la Torre. Petrona is the same as Petra.

Cerro Gordo was once part of Tepatitlán. It is now a town and it is now called San Ignacio Cerro Gordo.

Juan Francisco Hernández and Petra de la Torre baptized Juan de Dios 16 Aug 1790 in the town of Tepatitlán. He was born in San Antonio Cerro Gordo.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18574-67352-52

Juan Francisco Hernández and Petra María de la Torre were married 21 Feb 1770 in the town of Tepatitlán. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18570-64632-49

The marriage record shows that they were both from San Antonio Cerro Gordo.

The parents of Juan Francisco Hernández were Juan de Dios Hernández and Margarita Navarro.

Juan de Dios Hernández and Margarita Navarro were married 10 Jan 1741. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18570-64935-29

The marriage record states that Juan de Dios Hernández was from the jurisdiction of Michoacán. His parents were Joseph Hernández Gamiño and María Valdivia. Juan de Dios Hernández and Margarita Navarro had a dispensa de consanguinidad de 3o con 4o grado. That means that the parent of one of them was the second cousin of the other person.

Juan de Dios Hernández Valdivia was baptized 10 May 1716 in Atotonilco el Alto

Joseph Hernández Gamiño and María Valdivia were married 26 May 1704 in Tepatitlán.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18575-46970-41

The parents of Joseph Hernández Gamiño were Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño and María de Velasco.

Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño and María de Velasco were married 23 Feb 1653 in León, Guanajuato. León was at one time part of the jurisdiction of Michoacán.

Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño was the son of Domingo Hernández Gamiño and Juana Gómez de Espejo

Your Hernández line is the Hernández Gamiño line. I also descend from Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño and María de Velasco.

Saludos,
Armando

Hi Armando
Holy moly!! I searched and searched for Juan Francisco and Petra's marriage record to no avail. So thank you very much. Do you know of any stories related to this family. I did see a note that they were notorious for marrying within the family.

I saw on the one site you sent me that Cristobal Hernandez Gamino was born in Caceres Extramadura, Spain. It is ironic because I had just finished reading and article on this area in the AAA magazine.

Armando, is there a place that I can go to so that I can learn more about mexican geanology so that I can become more proficient in my research???
Tina Eley

Tina,

All of the Spanish families would marry relatives in order to marry another person with Spanish ancestry. This allowed them to maintain a higher status in society than being a mestizo. Since there was a limited number of Spanish families to marry they ended up marrying second and third cousins sometimes. Out of the marriage records I provided you only one of them mentioned marrying a 2nd cousin once removed.

It was Domingo Hernández Gamiño that was born in Trujillo, Cáceres, Extremadura. It was not Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño. I had given you the site that states it. http://historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/macias.html#num9

About 60% of our ancestors were born in Extremadura or Andalucía based on records of immigration and declarations by our ancestors. The Hernandez Gamiño line is positive for the western European markers P312 and L21.

This is the best place to learn about Mexican genealogy, especially for your ancestors. Most site will talk about something other than Jalisco. Post questions when you have them.

You could also try and find copies of Retoños de España at a university by using www.worldcat.org

Armando

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