Nuestros Ranchos Site

The number to call is 1-800-453-3860. Then ask for the extraction
department. I tried this just yesterday to see if there was a mistake in
Colotlan/Ameca records. They couldn't help me but, hopefully, will be able
to help you. Good Luck. Evie

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I'm having trouble finding batch numbers before 1860 for Villanueva, Zacatecas.




so far I've found  
href="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/search_igi.asp?batch_number=C601091&region=10&batch_search=true">C601091
from 1860-1865



I've also found C601092 and C601092



but I can't seem to find anything before 1860.



Does anyone know if calling the LDS library can tell you if batches of info
have actually been entered for certain time periods for certain locations?
If this is possible would anyone know what number or who to call in Salt
Lake?



thanks,



Joseph



ps: thanks for the replies to my Segundo question. . . I figured it wasn't
going to be that easy.

There are 6 Juan Segundos or Juan Jose Segundos in my maternal line,
and they seem to have nothing in common. Two are first-born, one is
8th in line, one 6th, one 4th, only one is 2nd in line. No matches
as to birthdate. It seems that 'Segundo' at least in my family
doesn't necessarily mean second-born or second son.

I have occasionally come across 'Segundo' meaning the same as
'Junior' however. For example the father is Juan Bautista GOMEZ and
his son Juan is named Juan Bautista Segundo GOMEZ, or perhaps Juan
Bautista GOMEZ Segundo. If the record of baptism gives just the
child's name with no surname, as most baptisms do, it would look as
though part of his given name is Segundo. You can't be sure until
you come across him as an adult.

Gloria

Saw some christening records (mid 1700's) in the addendum 
listing Colotlan as the christening place but says the christening 
records were extracted from Ameca.  Since my ancestor was 
supposedly born in Ameca and married in Colotlan,  I am 
wondering if there is a connection between these two places that 
seem so far apart. I called the Salt Lake extractions department 
and they have no idea why there is a discrepancy.  Any ideas?  
Thanks.  Evie

Has it been your alls experience that a name like "Segundo" actually
means that they were the second born? Or could it only mean second male
or have you seen it where it had nothing to do with birth order?

joseph




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Has it been your alls experience that a name like "Segundo" actually
means that they were the second born? Or could it only mean second male
or have you seen it where it had nothing to do with birth order?

joseph

with regards to:

Indice de bautismos 1849-1881,1893-1913,1920-1934 - 
FHL INTL Film [ 1158195 Items 1-4 ]

Bautismos 1865-1879 -  FHL INTL
Film [ 1158200 ]

Bautismos de hijos naturales 1868-1920 - 
VAULT INTL Film [ 1158205 Items 1-4 ]

Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1867-1879 - 
VAULT INTL Film [ 445096 ]



and this doesn't apply to you this time but just for future reference there
are Huejucar records on this film from Santa Maria de Los Angeles:



Bautismos de hijos naturales 1856-1865,1881-1895,
1911-1929,1953-1977 -  FHL INTL Film [ 1158280 Items 2-5 ]





Arturo,



Do you know what the difference is between the Bautismos 1865-1879 1158200
film and the Bautismos de hijos legitimos 1867-1879 445096 film is?



I think I just answered my own question:

I'd be willing to bet that the 445096 film is from the 1962 filming and that
the

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Hi All,



I got this email and was wondering if any of it looks familiar to anyone.
. .it is pretty vague but you never know.



joseph



ps: I just got back from Washington DC. I went to the National Archives for
an introduction. I'd advise this as a source of info to anyone that has some
roots in the US. Of course that is not in the topic of this group and I'd
be glad to talk to anyone off group about my brief introduction to the Archives.
I also got some great photos of  some of the monuments and of my cousin,
Miguel Puentes' name that is on the Vietnam War memorial. There is a lot
of stuff about Mexico at the Archives but probably harder to find I'm guessing.



pps: I did find a map at the archives that had a Rancho on it named Refugio
and I was wondering if that might have been a map of the area before the
name turned to Tabasco, Zacatecas. . .I'm unsure.



========================

Arturo have you tried the Civil Registers yet?  I couldn't find my
grandfather's birth record but found all his siblings in baptismal (church)
records.  I then tried the civil registers for 1888 and finally found
it.  I believe civil registers began around 1870 and going forward
buy I would try that next.   "Good luck"

Carol

Arturo Romero wrote:

 Dear Group,                    
I am subscribing to all of you for some advise on locating my g=grandfathers
birth records ( Fortino Romero ).  Practically all of my research
has been here in Huejucar and I realize people moved around allot but I
am not sure where to go from here.My grandfather Severiano Romero was born
in Huejucar in 1898 son of Fortino Romero & Ciriaca Sandoval. I have
the record for Fortino's marriage (1895 )and the baptismal films for Huejucar
starting with the year 1800 to 1904 and he does not appear in the baptismal
films for the time frame he would have been born. I obtained the the film
informacion matrimonial hoping

Angie, Gracias, Mahalo, Merci, Thank you, for the information. I did not have any of the dates for the cousins. I have been unable to get into your files, I shall keep trying.

I have some Campos that married Huizar in Momax. Saludos, Helyn

Hello Helyn,

I came across some information you might be interested in.  I think I 
found Maximino Castaneda marriage information and christening 
information for seven children.  See below:

MAXIMO CASTANEVA
Male
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MARIA YZABIL MARIN
  Marriage:  10 FEB 1848   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, 
Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  
Type:
 M607145  1842 - 1855  0443973

children to above couple:
JOSE ROSA CASTANEDA MARIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 SEP 1849 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico
LEANDRO CASTANEDA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 FEB 1851 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, 
Zacatecas, Mexico
MARIA CATARINA CASTANEDA MARIN - International Genealogical Index 
Gender

Have I been asleep or what? I didn't even know these were there until I
just happened upon them.

Thanks to Steven there are many new pages in the Bibliograpy section of
the "Files" area on Nochistlan, Zacatecas.

Lots of good stuff here. . .have a look everyone.

joseph

Alicia, Hello neighbor, well, sort of....I am in Fremont, but l left my heart in San Jose after living there for many years. At the Family History Center in San Jose, on Thursday nights, directing the center, is a fantastic lady, Patsy Ludwig.
Patsy has been researching in Mexico, for I believe, about 20 years. Patsy CO-wrote "A Beginner's Guide to Hispanic Genealogy." Needless to say, Patsy is very knowledgeable. I am sure Patsy will be a great resources to set you on track for your guest in Genealogy.

Church of Jesus Christ Latter

Alicia, Hello neighbor, well, sort of....I am in Fremont, but l left my heart in San Jose after living there for many years. At the Family History Center in San Jose, on Thursday nights, directing the center, is a fantastic lady, Patsy Ludwig.

Patsy has been researching in Mexico, for I believe, about 20 years. Patsy CO-wrote "A Beginner's Guide to Hispanic Genealogy." Needless to say, Patsy is very knowledgeable. I am sure Patsy will be a great resources to set you on track for your guest in Genealogy.



Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints

Family History Center

4977 San Felipe Road (In Evergreen)

San Jose 408-274-8592

Hours Tuesday & Thursday 9AM-9PM

Wed 6PM-9PM

Saturday 10AM-3PM



When I visited the Family History Center in San Jose, there were many patrons there, and the allotted time was one hour at the film reader. By then again, I am sure the attendance varies.



Currently, I research in Fremont. The center is in South Fremont, at the Milpitas City limit. Most of the time I am

Okay I've found a wonderful place to put a lot of the info found in the
Files section. I was hoping for a great opportunity like this and later
if needed I might ask for a volunteer to sign up for some of this free
webspace in case I need even more room to expand on the "files" for this
group.

Anyway all the maps currently in the "Files" section will be able to be
seen on this webpage:

http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/joseph27703/

I will also add a link to this webpage in the links section under maps

joseph

Hello,

I have been going through the database looking for others doing 
research in Sayula, Juanacatlan, Poncitlan, and Ejutla.  I have not 
been able to find to much.  If anyone is doing research in these 
small cities.  Contact me at my e-mail address 
angelrcervantes@...

Thanks,
Angel R. Cervantes 

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Hello Joseph and Hello to this group, Los Ranchos de Jalisco and
Zacatecas. Thanks for the invitation to join, I feel that I'm in very
good company having read some of the group's previous communications.

My name is Alicia Carrillo (married name) My maiden name is Alicia
Avelar Olmos and I was born in Tlachichila Zacatecas. I have not
found any information in the Charles Clark files that would lead me
to my descendants. Through the years I have heard many of the
surnames mentioned here such as Delgadillo, Vallin, Esparza, Ruiz,
Ruvalcaba, Munoz, Jauregui/Xauregui (spelling either way).

I look forward to not only what I can gain from this association but
to what I can contribute. I have recently begun my ancestral journey
and can't even begin to imagine where this will take me.

Being part of a group will definitely inspire me to accelerate my
search.

My father was Restituto Avelar Aguayo. His parents were Pascual
Avelar Garcia and Rebecca Aguayo. Pascual's father

Wow Steven you've sure given Jose Rizo a great boost in finding his
genealogy.

Jose let us know if you have any trouble finding info on how to order
your films or the mechanics of this procedure.

This is great. . .you've discovered a wonderful relative and help in
your search for your roots.

congratulations.

joseph

Hello everyone in the Ranchos Group,



I wanted to address and comment on José Rizo's recent discoveries and good fortune over having Arandas roots.  As of yet José's lines are still much too recent for me be of any help, but as far as Arandas resources are concerned, I have tons of info. 



Over 50% of all my lines came from Arandas.  I have more information regarding Arandas genealogy than any other town in Los Altos put together, and this also includes the nearby towns of Ayo el Chico and Jesús María included. 



From our first messages, José mentioned that his grandfather's name was José-Guadalupe Rizo Angel, son of Estanislao and Felicitas Angel.  Just yesterday, or the other day, he mentioned that Estanislao was the son of Antonio Rizo and Feliciana González.  Well upon further investigation, I did happen to find the marriage of Estanislao Rizo in 1891, but to Ma. Guadalupe Padilla Morillo.  Look:



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Individual Record

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in the top corner where it says "Welcome" does your page say "Welcome
Guest" or does it say "Welcome and then your email address?"

if it says Welcome Guest then you need to sign in.

if you've never registered then you need to register to get a free ID
and Password.

If you have any problems doing this contact me at makas@... and
we'll work on it until we are successful at getting you logged in let
me know.

here are the instructions for doing that:

go to:  http://groups.yahoo.com/

up in the top right click on "Register"

fill out the form (FREE) carefully writting down whatever ID and
password you choose (This part is critical!!!)

put the paper you wrote down your ID and Password in a safe place
(don't do like me and have to go hunting for those little scattered
pieces of paper I have with various and sundry passwords and id's)

After you've done this you'll have a Free

Deena Ortiz has updated the Charles Clark's Ulloa y Rodriguez
Genealogy on Rootsweb. 

Have a look:

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=nochistlan&I11.x=24&I11.y=4

Thanks Deena
Thanks Charles

19. Historical Maps
http://bell.lib.umn.edu/hist/

The James Ford Bell Library at the University of Minnesota provides the
Historical Maps page as part of their main Web site. Users can view more
than fifty maps online, each of which contain a short description of what
the map is depicting. One example is a navigational map of Africa and the
Atlantic and Indian Oceans that was designed to illustrate the first Dutch
expedition to Java undertaken by Cornelis de Houtman in 1597. The maps can
be viewed in fine detail and are quite fascinating to view and learn about.
Anyone interested in history, cartography, or other similar subjects should
enjoy exploring the collection. [JAB]