Hey Roxanne,

El rancho Los Ocotes se encuentra a unos kilometros al noreste de San
Miguel. Ya casi nadie vive allí. Yo tengo lo que buscas, escríbeme prima!

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Roxanne Ocampo
wrote:

> Hola!
>
> I have been searching for my GUTIERREZ family for months with no luck.
> Last night (by phone) a relative read me the following contents from a
> birth record. I'm hoping one of our members may have a lead on this
> location or these ancestors?
>
> Born Miguel Avalos GUTIERREZ, 8 May 1904, vecino del Rancho de Ocotes, San
> Miguel el Alto.
> Hijo de Maria M. Espectacion Avalos y Mariano Gutierrez.
> Abuelos paternos Sipriano Gutierrez y Andrea Rodriguez. Abuelos Maternos
> Ramon Avalos y Jacinta Pacencia.
> Testigos (casados y de edad de este domicilio) Tomas Vasquez y Antonia
> Ramirez
>
> This is my grandfather's brother.
>
> With the above information I found a possible link to these grandparents:
>
> Ramon Avelar (possibly Ramon Avalos) y Jacinta Pacencia
> Married 3 Feb 1864
> San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco
>
> If anyone can help me out with any information, I would truly appreciate
> it!
>
> Mil gracias, Roxanne Gutierrez (Ocampo)
>
>

Dear Roxanne:
I did not see the marriage listed, but I might have missed it. It is batched on the familysearch.org site. Here is the marriage of Jacinta Placencia and Ramon Avelar:

Feb 3 1864 San Miguel El Alto
LDS batch M603303
Film # 0279453
Marriages 1852-1870

You may want to order the film as they often have both sets of parents listed, where they were from, whether they were alive or not at the time of the wedding and sometimes occupations.

I have worked a lot with these records and Placencia is sometimes spelling Plasencia, Placensia, etc. "C's" and S's" are often interchangeable.

Maureen

Additional information on some of your ancestors; you might want to look at the originals since they often have additional information:

Name: Maria Espectacion Avalos
Gender: Female
Christening date: 21 Dec 1884
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Ramon Avalos
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Jacinta Placencia
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I03657-3
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279433
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Ysidro Gutierrez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 18 May 1888
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Cipriano Gutierrez
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Andrea Rodriguez
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I03657-6
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279433
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Atanasio Gutierres
Gender: Male
Christening date: 04 May 1880
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Sipriano Gutierres
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Andrea Rodrigues
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I06911-0
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279431
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Sixto Gutierres
Gender: Male
Christening date: 07 Aug 1885
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Sipriano Gutierres
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Andrea Rodrigues
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I03657-4
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279433
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Antonio Gutierrez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 14 Jun 1881
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Sipriano Gutierres
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Andrea Rodrigues
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I06911-1
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279431
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Martin Gutierres
Gender: Male
Christening date: 30 Jan 1879
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Sipreano Gutierres
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Andrea Rodrigues
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I06911-0
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279431
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Hello there everyone ,

I met a young couple from Concepcion de Oro , Zacatecas yesterday and we talked a bit about genealogy and I told them that I have seen several folks in this group that have mentioned this town . SOOOO , if there is anyone in this group that would like to see if they can make contact with people of this town let me know .

Take care,

Welester G. Alvarado

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Youll find all the altenos are related! Our families and ancestors intrmarried far beyond and worse then the royalty of Europe.

-Daniel

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Dear Roxanne:
It looks as if Daniel has helped you beyond repair. I had not seen his post and was just looking up the same information. I found Guadalupe and Anastacio on familysearch also. Just wanted to let you know that the Florentino Placencia Gutierres 1828 baptism, where one of my Ledesma's was a sponsor, had the following information, so I do not think it is linked to yours yet, but if you ever need this one, let me know and I will scan it:

Parents of Florentino:
Eleuterio Placencia and Mataria Gutierres
Paternos: Martin Placencia and Juana Baldivia
Maternos: Pedro Gutierres and Maria Morillo (sp?)
Padrinos: Crisanto Alvardo and Dolores Ledsma
Rancho Moya

Reference LDS 0279425
Baptisms 1821-1832 San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, MX
Batch C603294

Dear Roxanne:
I started to recognize the names right away. Sadly do not have any of the records, but I can tell you the Gutierres family married into my Ledesma family. One son of Juana Maria Ledesma Cervantes married to Luis Gutierres born in 1830, his name Jose De La Asuncion, and he was born Rancho de Ocotes. A little earlier date than you are needing.

I can help in your search a bit. You may try looking for alternative spellings. I have some Avalos family member with the spelling Abalos and Pacencia is likely Placensia or Placencia. Vasquez can often be found as Vasques. I had a Ledesma sponsor to a Florentino Placencia Gutierres b. 10/15/1828 Rancho Moya. I have to look to see if I have the record and who Florentino's parent's were. Sometimes I just jotted down the information rather than copying the record who my people were just sponsor's of other's baptisms.

If you find other parts of the family, check back with me and I might be able to help with some records.

Maureen Bejar

Hi Roxanne! Well Ocotes is a very old ranch in San Miguel. San Miguel el Alto is part of the

Los Altos family region. Gutierrez is a very old Spanish colonial last name around these

parts. May include Gutierrez de HErmosillo, Gutierrez de Laris, Gutierrez de Mendoza etc.

I found a son of Cipriano and Andrea, the marriage of Cipriano 9If you dont have alread)

I also dont think the last name was Avelar, never heard of that name in Los Altos. I found

several children too. (The records are below that I found, maybe you have them) Well your

next step is to order the marriage film for Ramon Avalos and Jacinta Plascencia. I think getting

out of the 1800s is the hardest part, bear in mind once you do (and you should be able to)

you are going to learn SO MUCH! I know I have, Im still well rounded from 1500s to 1700s.

Be careful, Altenos do not tend to stay around, they kept moving all around the region which

socially extends into Jalisco, Zacatecas, aguascalientes, Guanjuato, Michoacan, and San Luis Potosi

but politically its just Jalisco. Well I hope Ive helped you in a way. You can always email

me, Ive studided Los Altos genealogy for 5 years now. -Daniel Camino

mendezdelcamino@live.com

IGI Individual Record
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VICTOR GUTIERRES RODRIGUES
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

07 MAR 1873
San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
SIPRIANO GUTIERRES
Family

Mother:
ANDREA RODRIGUES

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

No source document or additional information exists.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C603299
1870 - 1875
0279430
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

if you dont have this marriage already here it is

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SIPRIANO GUTIERRES
Pedigree

Male

Family

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

Death:

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:
ANDREA RODRIGUES
Family

Marriage:

17 APR 1872
San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

M603304
1870 - 1885
0279454
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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MARIA SANJUANA AVALOS PLANCENCIA
Pedigree

Female

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

21 MAY 1866
San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
RAMON AVALOS
Family

Mother:
JACINTA PLANCENCIA

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

K603298
1862 - 1870
0279429
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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GUADALUPE AVALOS PLACENCIA
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

13 DEC 1864
San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
RAMON AVALOS
Family

Mother:
JACINTA PLACENCIA

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

J603298
1862 - 1870
0279429
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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ANASTACIO AVALOS PLACENCIA
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

25 JAN 1874
San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
RAMON AVALOS
Family

Mother:
JASINTA PLACENCIA

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

No source document or additional information exists.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C603299
1870 - 1875
0279430
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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