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Message from Kim Raine kimesl@...

Hello,
I am new to the ranchos group. My potential link to the
target areas is my ancestor Jose(f) Manuel BORONDA. It
has been said that he was born in Jerez, in Guadalajara,
and in Spain. So far there is no proof of any of this.
He would have been born about 1750. It is documented that
he came to California in 1769. He married Maria Gertrudis
HIGUERA at Mission San Carlos in Monterey, California on
23 January 1790. He was 40 at that time.
I have learned that BORONDA is likely a Basque name and
that it has *numerous* spellings! There are very few,
under any spelling, that I can find in Aer or Argena III.
Those that I find on LDS are in Basque Country.
It is my understanding that vital records in Zacatecas
were burned in the revolution, but what about the Catholic
church records -- does anyone know if they were kept?
Muchas gracias.
Kim Raine
Vermont

Message from arturoramos2 arturo.ramos2@...

In response to your question:

It is my understanding that vital records in Zacatecas
were burned in the revolution, but what about the Catholic
church records -- does anyone know if they were kept?

The Catholic Church records were the vital records in New Spain, New Galicia and then Mexico until the late 1800s when a secular civil registry was established and even then, it took some communities a while before they started complying with the government's decrees that all births and marriages had to be registered through civil authorities.

There appears to be a couple of Borondas around Jalisco and Zacatecas that are possible candidates for being relatives of your ancestor. It is my understading that many of the Alta California pioneers in that time period were from the frontier provinces (Durango, Zacatecas, Chihuahua, etc.)

FRANCISCO XAVIER BORONDA
Male Family
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH BORONDA Family
Mother: MARIA AVENDANO
Marriages:
Spouse: SEBASTIANA ANTONIA Family
Marriage: 14 APR 1736 San Miguel, Cocula, Jalisco, Mexico

FRANCO. MARIA BORONDA FLORIDO
Male
Christening: 13 MAR 1746 San Francisco, Villa De Reyes, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH BORONDA Family
Mother: JUANA MARCELINA FLORIDO

Message from Alberto Duarte albertodua@...

Not only did they go to alto California, but they also
went to new Mexico.

Alberto Duarte

Message from Kim Raine kimesl@...

Yes, and there are BORONDAs in New Mexico. I have not
found any link to mine yet, but one day I may.
Kim

On Mon, February 20, 2006 12:19 pm, Alberto Duarte said:
> Not only did they go to alto California, but they also
> went to new Mexico.
>
> Alberto Duarte

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Message from Kim Raine kimesl@...

Thank you so much for this information. I am not quite
clear on one thing -- the Catholic churches *should* have
birth records from the 1700's? In most countries with
which I have experience, even after civil registry, the
church kept records. Is this true in Mexico?
Kim

On Fri, February 17, 2006 2:47 pm, arturoramos2 said:
> The Catholic Church records were the vital records in New
> Spain, New Galicia and then Mexico until the late 1800s
> when a secular civil registry was established and even
> then, it took some communities a while before they
> started complying with the government's decrees that all
> births and marriages had to be registered through civil
> authorities.

Message from Joseph Puentes makas@...

Kim Raine wrote:

>Thank you so much for this information. I am not quite
>clear on one thing -- the Catholic churches *should* have
>birth records from the 1700's?
>
Not birth records* (they would be civil records and not for that far
back), but you can find baptism records, marriage records, death records
and some misc. others going back into the 1700's depending on the
specific area you are researching. some of the areas are poorly recorded
while others have magnificient records going back to the early 1700's
and even farther back.

*well in a sense they were birth records in that they usually listed
when the child was born "de tres dias nacido OR .nacido el veinte dos
del mes corriente." So these baptism records listed the date of the
baptism and gave the day the child was born (usually).

joseph

Message from Kim Raine kimesl@...

Thank you, Joseph.
Kim

> Not birth records* (they would be civil records and not
> for that far
> back), but you can find baptism records, marriage
> records, death records
>>
> joseph
>
>
>
>

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