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Por Sheila P |

I have recently joined the group and want to take this opportunity to
introduce myself. My name is Sheila Prader and I have several ancestors
from Jalisco, including Los Altos de Jalisco. Some of my locations are
Venustiano Carranza (San Gabriel), Sayula, Etzatlan, Arandas, Ayo el Chico,
Tepatitlan, La Barca and Ocotlan.

Some of my Jalisco surnames are Mojica, Guerrero, Ramos, Cano, Romero y
Chaves, Hernandez Gamino, Martin del Campo, Plasencia, Ochoa Garibai,
Vasquez, Salcedo and Acebes as well as many others.

I have done a lot of parish/diocesan record research and have some knowlege
of other record groups. I'm familiar with the compound surname system often
used in Los Altos as well as the surname fluidity I have seen others
mentioning in the archived posts. This practice of alternative surnames
used by both males and females during their lives (and in records after
their deaths, as when they are named as grandparents) also occurs in
Portuguese records and in some Spanish records as well. I am a proponent of
systematically reading entire rolls of microfilm, alternating between
baptisms, marriages and deaths in 10-year time spans, and extracting records
of anyone with the same surnames in the same time periods in order to
reconstruct related families. I learned this from George Ryskamp, for whom
I used to work as a research assistant. I don't pretend to be more than a
very lucky of student of his. The phenomenon of surname fluidity is also
something George was researching and writing about several years ago.

I also have early California ancestry and I have spent more years
reconstructing the early California lines and descendencies of others than
my own in Jalisco. I am looking forward to getting back into my own lines
and hopefully extending some into parishes in Spain and the Basque
provinces.

My work schedule will not allow me to be a constant contributor to the
mailing lists, but I will participate as I can and I look forward to
connecting con mis primos y primas.

--Sheila P.

Primos y parientes...
alguno de ustedes saben de casualidad los nombres de los padres de Manuel Guerrero y María Simona Sánches (sic) todo sucedido en Ayo el Chico, no he podido localizarles y es, creo yo, último eslabón para mi genealogía de los Hernández Gamiño. también si se tuviera el dato del matrimonio en Ayo agradecería mucho. Quedo a la espera de alguna alma caritativa..
edo Hernández Padilla

Sheila P,

Since you have worked for George Ryskamp and are familiar with Mexican genealogy information, I am interested in any help you can give us in using the Archivo General de la Nacion (Mexico). Indirectly I have been forwarded specific data via Mexican geneologists (de la Torre, del Hoyo) who have used the Archivo. I have accessed the AGN website but have not found it particularly helpful, largely because I am not sure how to use it properly---sign up?, navigation, data possibilites, etc. Maybe you are familiar with it.

Last weekend I was at the University of California San Diego in La Jolla which reportedly has the Archivo General de la Nacion. However, the AGN at UCSD appears to be spread out over very many different areas in the library, not just one major collection.

A sample, perhaps poor one, of the Archivo General de la Nacion (Valparaiso, Mexico) is as follows.

FECHA: A¥O 1780.

VOLUMEN. 1191.
EXPEDIENTE. 1.
FOJAS. 1-12.
GRUPO DOCUMENTAL. INQUISICION.

DON IGNACIO DE VILLEGAS Y SANDOVAL, VECINO DE ESTA CIUDAD Y
COMERCIANTE EN LIBROS, SOLICITA LICENCIA PARA VALUAR LOS
LIBROS QUE QUEDARON POR FALLECIMIENTO DEL SE¥OR CONDE DE
VALPARAISO, MARQUES DEL JARAL DE BERRIO, DE LOS QUE PRESENTA
MEMORIA FIRMADA DE LA SE¥ORA CONDESA DE SAN MATEO DE
VALPARAISO. MEXICO.

My questions for you are as follows:

1. Can you comment on the use of the AGN either via the Internet or at specific libraries? How useful is it?
2. Are you for hire for genealogy reasearch? If so, please email me privately at ed@serros.net. My areas of interest are Mesquitic and Colotlan, Jalisco as well as Valparaiso, Zacatecas.

Thanks,

Edward Serros

Hi Edward:

I know this e-mail was not addressed to me, but I noticed that you are
interested in Mezquitic. I just got through looking at films from Mezquitic
from 1891- 1903 looking for my mother's birth record. Her name was
Francisca Cerro(s) born in Mar 9, 1903. I just want you to know that there
is not a single person with the last name Cerro(s) listed in those films. I
just thought I might pass this bit of information to you in case you are
looking for : Serro, Serros. Cerro, Cerros. The films are on their way back
to Salt Lake City.

PS: I have already searched Colotlán and Jerez with no luck...I got to try
something else.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

1gnzlz@verizon.net

2. Are you for hire for genealogy reasearch? If so, please email me
privately at ed@serros.net. My areas of interest are Mesquitic and Colotlan,
Jalisco as well as Valparaiso, Zacatecas.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Edward Serros

John,

Thank you for your email. I apologize for taking so long to reply---many excuses that need not be detailed here.

There are not many Cerro or Cerros in Northern Jalisco (Mesquitic, Colotlán, etc.) or Southern Zacatecas (Jerez, Valparaiso, etc.). Leonardo de la Torre, the genealogy researcher, has stated this to me indirectly and so has the 1-2 Cerros that still live in Valparaiso, Zacatecas. Interestingly, my great frandfather's name was Francisco but I could not find any of his immediate relatives that were Francisca, your mother's name.

The valley of Valparaiso stretches down a number of towns as the river meanders its way south from Valparaiso->Potrero de Gallegos->Mesquitic. You can get a good idea of what the valley looks like by going on Google Earth. I have the impression that people worked up and down the river valley, similar to what Joseph Puentes has described in the next river valley just east of there in Colotán. Google Earth also shows you how the various towns we comment on in this group are interconnected. (Sometimes Google Earth is not accurate since the names of the towns are found all over Mexico)

So, we very well be related. I have found a couple of Cerros (Victor, Benita) in Colotlan and a couple in Sombrerete but the biggest group was the aforementioned Valparaiso group. The problem is that our Serros oral family history states that our surname changed from Sanchez to Cerros ~1859 (long story). Furthermore, the few other Cerros I have found were associated with "padre no conocido." I have speculated that Cerros may be an Indian surname that was introduced as part of various illegitimate births, e.g Victor Cerros, no relation to me, had illegitimate lines and so did Sombrerete Cerros.

My Y-DNA is R1b so I am beginning to believe that my paternal line was Sanchez with the introduction of Cerros ~1850's as part of the mating of an Español or more likely Mestizo male with Indian female.

Let me know more of your Cerros line and I will compare. You can send this information to me via email, ed@serros.net

Ed

Hola Nuestros Ranchos Group,
I’d like to reintroduce myself. My name is Lourdes
Rodriguez. I was originally admitted to the Yahoo
Ranchos Group back in August 2004. Unbeknownst to me,
I was ousted from the group for non participation
during a 6 month break I took last May after the birth
of my son, Cristian Tenamaztli. Needless to say, I am
happy to be back and thankful that the welcome mat was
still laid out.

I started my genealogy quest as part of a class
assignment while in high school many, many years ago.
I never imagined how important the project would
become or that I would still be this involved 20 years
later.

My family is from a rancho called Las Animas (also
known as Daniel Camarena) which is part of el
municipio de Nochistlan, Zacatecas. My family
surnames are Rodriguez, Jimenez, Romo, Oropeza,
Ramirez, Ortega, Melendrez, Contreras, Martinez, Don
Lucas, Nunon and Borrayo. At this point I would say
that 95% of my research is focused in Nochistlan.

I’m looking forward to learning and sharing ideas with
all of you.

Best of luck!

Lulu

P.S. I’m from Northern California, East Bay to be
exact, if anyone is interested in hooking up at a FHC
with me.

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I to am a native Bay Areaian, we have the las Animas rancho in common and probably a few familial ties. my file http://nuestrosranchos.org/node/15275, I also hope to be in the area around the first of March and among other places do the Bancroft Library. Hope to hear from you, Mari

Lourdes Rodriguez wrote: Hola Nuestros Ranchos Group,
I’d like to reintroduce myself. My name is Lourdes
Rodriguez. I was originally admitted to the Yahoo
Ranchos Group back in August 2004. Unbeknownst to me,
I was ousted from the group for non participation
during a 6 month break I took last May after the birth
of my son, Cristian Tenamaztli. Needless to say, I am
happy to be back and thankful that the welcome mat was
still laid out.

I started my genealogy quest as part of a class
assignment while in high school many, many years ago.
I never imagined how important the project would
become or that I would still be this involved 20 years
later.

My family is from a rancho called Las Animas (also
known as Daniel Camarena) which is part of el
municipio de Nochistlan, Zacatecas. My family
surnames are Rodriguez, Jimenez, Romo, Oropeza,
Ramirez, Ortega, Melendrez, Contreras, Martinez, Don
Lucas, Nunon and Borrayo. At this point I would say
that 95% of my research is focused in Nochistlan.

I’m looking forward to learning and sharing ideas with
all of you.

Best of luck!

Lulu

P.S. I’m from Northern California, East Bay to be
exact, if anyone is interested in hooking up at a FHC
with me.

____________________________________________________________________________________
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

Mari,
Have you been to Las Animas? Are your parents from
there or some of your ancestors? I am sure that
almost everyone who comes from Las Animas is related
one way or another. Looking forward to making a
possible connection. Let me know when you are in the
area.
Lulu

--- mari deGuzman wrote:

> I to am a native Bay Areaian, we have the las Animas
> rancho in common and probably a few familial ties.
> my file http://nuestrosranchos.org/node/15275, I
> also hope to be in the area around the first of
> March and among other places do the Bancroft
> Library. Hope to hear from you, Mari
>
> Lourdes Rodriguez
> wrote: Hola Nuestros Ranchos Group,
> I’d like to reintroduce myself. My name is Lourdes
> Rodriguez. I was originally admitted to the Yahoo
> Ranchos Group back in August 2004. Unbeknownst to
> me,
> I was ousted from the group for non participation
> during a 6 month break I took last May after the
> birth
> of my son, Cristian Tenamaztli. Needless to say, I
> am
> happy to be back and thankful that the welcome mat
> was
> still laid out.
>
> I started my genealogy quest as part of a class
> assignment while in high school many, many years
> ago.
> I never imagined how important the project would
> become or that I would still be this involved 20
> years
> later.
>
> My family is from a rancho called Las Animas (also
> known as Daniel Camarena) which is part of el
> municipio de Nochistlan, Zacatecas. My family
> surnames are Rodriguez, Jimenez, Romo, Oropeza,
> Ramirez, Ortega, Melendrez, Contreras, Martinez, Don
> Lucas, Nunon and Borrayo. At this point I would say
> that 95% of my research is focused in Nochistlan.
>
> I’m looking forward to learning and sharing ideas
> with
> all of you.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Lulu
>
> P.S. I’m from Northern California, East Bay to be
> exact, if anyone is interested in hooking up at a
> FHC
> with me.
>
>
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

LOURDES,

I SEE WHERE IN YOUR INTEREST NAMES THERE IS "CONTRERAS".

I AM LOOKING FOR DELGADOS IN SAN MATIAS, PINOS, ZACATECAS.
THERE IS A MARIA MATHIANA CONTRERAS RODRIGUEZ, BORN IN 1709,
PRESUMABLY IN THAT PLACE, BUT IT COULD BE ANOTHER TOWN OR VILLAGE NEARBY. HER MARRIAGE WAS TO JUAN MANUEL DELGADO IN 1728.

ANYTHING SOUND FAMILIAR?

THANKS.

JUANITA GALVAN DELGADO

Mari,
Have you been to Las Animas? Are your parents from
there or some of your ancestors? I am sure that
almost everyone who comes from Las Animas is related
one way or another. Looking forward to making a
possible connection. Let me know when you are in the
area.
Lulu

--- mari deGuzman wrote:

> I to am a native Bay Areaian, we have the las Animas
> rancho in common and probably a few familial ties.
> my file http://nuestrosranchos.org/node/15275, I
> also hope to be in the area around the first of
> March and among other places do the Bancroft
> Library. Hope to hear from you, Mari
>
> Lourdes Rodriguez
> wrote: Hola Nuestros Ranchos Group,
> I’d like to reintroduce myself. My name is Lourdes
> Rodriguez. I was originally admitted to the Yahoo
> Ranchos Group back in August 2004. Unbeknownst to
> me,
> I was ousted from the group for non participation
> during a 6 month break I took last May after the
> birth
> of my son, Cristian Tenamaztli. Needless to say, I
> am
> happy to be back and thankful that the welcome mat
> was
> still laid out.
>
> I started my genealogy quest as part of a class
> assignment while in high school many, many years
> ago.
> I never imagined how important the project would
> become or that I would still be this involved 20
> years
> later.
>
> My family is from a rancho called Las Animas (also
> known as Daniel Camarena) which is part of el
> municipio de Nochistlan, Zacatecas. My family
> surnames are Rodriguez, Jimenez, Romo, Oropeza,
> Ramirez, Ortega, Melendrez, Contreras, Martinez, Don
> Lucas, Nunon and Borrayo. At this point I would say
> that 95% of my research is focused in Nochistlan.
>
> I’m looking forward to learning and sharing ideas
> with
> all of you.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Lulu
>
> P.S. I’m from Northern California, East Bay to be
> exact, if anyone is interested in hooking up at a
> FHC
> with me.
>
>
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

Lourdes,
the connection we have in just the immediate thought is Rodriguez, to be exact Alejandro Rodriguez son of Jose Augustan Antonio Rodriguez.
Alejandro was the fourth child born to Jose and Maria Trinidad Vincent de Leon

he was born June 5 1791 in San Luis Obispo
He married my ggg-grandmother in 1815 @ msn Santa Clara.

I so hope that my trip will be in March but if not then it will be April and maybe we could hook up. I will go through more of my notes and get back to you on more info about the rancho and such.
The computer I use and files are not in the same area so I must prepare when I come to use the computer. mari

juanita delgado wrote:
LOURDES,

I SEE WHERE IN YOUR INTEREST NAMES THERE IS "CONTRERAS".

I AM LOOKING FOR DELGADOS IN SAN MATIAS, PINOS, ZACATECAS.
THERE IS A MARIA MATHIANA CONTRERAS RODRIGUEZ, BORN IN 1709,
PRESUMABLY IN THAT PLACE, BUT IT COULD BE ANOTHER TOWN OR VILLAGE NEARBY. HER MARRIAGE WAS TO JUAN MANUEL DELGADO IN 1728.

ANYTHING SOUND FAMILIAR?

THANKS.

JUANITA GALVAN DELGADO

Mari,
Have you been to Las Animas? Are your parents from
there or some of your ancestors? I am sure that
almost everyone who comes from Las Animas is related
one way or another. Looking forward to making a
possible connection. Let me know when you are in the
area.
Lulu

--- mari deGuzman wrote:

> I to am a native Bay Areaian, we have the las Animas
> rancho in common and probably a few familial ties.
> my file http://nuestrosranchos.org/node/15275, I
> also hope to be in the area around the first of
> March and among other places do the Bancroft
> Library. Hope to hear from you, Mari
>
> Lourdes Rodriguez
> wrote: Hola Nuestros Ranchos Group,
> I’d like to reintroduce myself. My name is Lourdes
> Rodriguez. I was originally admitted to the Yahoo
> Ranchos Group back in August 2004. Unbeknownst to
> me,
> I was ousted from the group for non participation
> during a 6 month break I took last May after the
> birth
> of my son, Cristian Tenamaztli. Needless to say, I
> am
> happy to be back and thankful that the welcome mat
> was
> still laid out.
>
> I started my genealogy quest as part of a class
> assignment while in high school many, many years
> ago.
> I never imagined how important the project would
> become or that I would still be this involved 20
> years
> later.
>
> My family is from a rancho called Las Animas (also
> known as Daniel Camarena) which is part of el
> municipio de Nochistlan, Zacatecas. My family
> surnames are Rodriguez, Jimenez, Romo, Oropeza,
> Ramirez, Ortega, Melendrez, Contreras, Martinez, Don
> Lucas, Nunon and Borrayo. At this point I would say
> that 95% of my research is focused in Nochistlan.
>
> I’m looking forward to learning and sharing ideas
> with
> all of you.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Lulu
>
> P.S. I’m from Northern California, East Bay to be
> exact, if anyone is interested in hooking up at a
> FHC
> with me.
>
>
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

I to am a native Bay Areaian, we have the las Animas rancho in common and probably a few familial ties. my file http://nuestrosranchos.org/node/15275, I also hope to be in the area around the first of March and among other places do the Bancroft Library. Hope to hear from you, Mari

Lourdes Rodriguez wrote: Hola Nuestros Ranchos Group,
I’d like to reintroduce myself. My name is Lourdes
Rodriguez. I was originally admitted to the Yahoo
Ranchos Group back in August 2004. Unbeknownst to me,
I was ousted from the group for non participation
during a 6 month break I took last May after the birth
of my son, Cristian Tenamaztli. Needless to say, I am
happy to be back and thankful that the welcome mat was
still laid out.

I started my genealogy quest as part of a class
assignment while in high school many, many years ago.
I never imagined how important the project would
become or that I would still be this involved 20 years
later.

My family is from a rancho called Las Animas (also
known as Daniel Camarena) which is part of el
municipio de Nochistlan, Zacatecas. My family
surnames are Rodriguez, Jimenez, Romo, Oropeza,
Ramirez, Ortega, Melendrez, Contreras, Martinez, Don
Lucas, Nunon and Borrayo. At this point I would say
that 95% of my research is focused in Nochistlan.

I’m looking forward to learning and sharing ideas with
all of you.

Best of luck!

Lulu

P.S. I’m from Northern California, East Bay to be
exact, if anyone is interested in hooking up at a FHC
with me.

____________________________________________________________________________________
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

Welcome to the group. There are many of us researching Los Altos de Jalisco ancestry. Of the surnames you mention, I have Martin del Campo, Plascencia and Guerrero. Please take a look at my genealogy reports and see if you find a connection. I have a report for each grandparent I am researching in Los Altos de Jalisco. I need to update them, since I have extended a few of my lines from the last time I submitted them.

My method of research has been similar to yours, except that I have not read through death records. I have also occasionally consulted the marriage dispensation records.

Maria Cortez

Primos y parientes...
alguno de ustedes saben de casualidad los nombres de los padres de Manuel Guerrero y María Simona Sánches (sic) todo sucedido en Ayo el Chico, no he podido localizarles y es, creo yo, último eslabón para mi genealogía de los Hernández Gamiño. también si se tuviera el dato del matrimonio en Ayo agradecería mucho. Quedo a la espera de alguna alma caritativa..
rnández Padilla

Hello Sheila,

So good to have you along. Just wishing you a lot of new genealogical breakthroughs

Welcome,
Victor Villarreal

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