Yes, Eduardo, we often receive more than we give. I am so grateful to those on Nuestros Ranchos and Ancestry and Rootsweb for all their help and sharing. I cannot understand those who won't share their family trees. Thankfully they are few. Their excuse is sometimes that they want to copyright their info for a book, but years go by, they don't complete their work, keep it hidden and when something happens to them, all that work is often left to relatives that could care less about genealogy, and all their documentation, etc gets tossed away.

A case in point is the work of Jaime Holcombe. He died in the middle of a book he was working on, and when I contacted his son in Mexico City, he told me that he would complete the book his father had in progress, but that the bulk of his father's work was moldering in a storage room in his mother's house. He admitted to me that he and his siblings did not share their father's interest in genealogy. I think Jaime Holbrooke did share some of his information with those who were interested and they in turn shared it, but the bulk of it is lost to the worms. Jaime's son, also Jaime, is very busy in his career, and he has not gotten back in touch with me or anyone else as far as I know. What a loss.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Eduardo H Seoane
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:53 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The benefits of sharing

I was present when someone, (an instructor) told a group of people that a family member had asked him for a copy of his genealogy and he responded by telling his relative that he was not going to give him anything because he had worked hard and had spent many years and a lot of money compiling his genealogy. This individual told the group that they should not share their genealogy either, "que les cueste a ellos también" were his words.

My lovely wife always reminds me of “the boomerang effect.” She say's, “what goes around comes around.” Basically, as I understand it, what you give is what you get. So for all you who are holding back out there, you might want to share a little because, who knows, maybe you share the information that someone needs that extends your line back another ten generations. It is intresting how that works, often the giver receives a lot more than they gave.

I do not think we, as a genealogical group, should be in the business of expecting something, before we share our information. One gets a lot further in life when they have a group, like this one assisting them on their quest to find their family. I hope this group will continue to be a place where I can come and gain knowledge and share a few things I have picked up along the way.
Some of you might or might not share my opinion, so feel free to comment.

Estaba presente cuando alguien, (un instructor) le dijo a un grupo de personas que un miembro de su familia le había pedido una copia de su genealogía y él le respondió a su pariente que no se la iba a dar porque él había trabajado duro y por muchos años, gastado mucho dinero, compilando su genealogía. Este individuo le dijo al grupo que no compartieran su genealogía tampoco, “que les cueste a ellos también” eran sus palabras.

Mi esposa encantadora siempre me recuerda de “el efecto bumerang.” Ella dice, “lo qué va, viene de regreso.” Básicamente, como yo lo entiendo, lo qué usted da es lo que usted consigue. Así es que, para todos ustedes que se están aguantando, a lo mejor quieran compartir un poco, porque quien sabe, quizás compartes la información que alguien necesita para extender la línea de el y la suya, otras diez generaciones. Es interesante cómo eso funciona, a menudo el que da recibe mucho más de lo que ellos dieron.

No pienso que nosotros, como grupo genealógico, debemos estar en el negocio de esperar algo antes de compartir nuestra información. Uno llega mucho más lejos en la vida cuando tiene un grupo, como éste asistiendo en la búsqueda para encontrar a su familia. Espero que este grupo continúe siendo un lugar en donde pueda obtener conocimiento y compartir algunas cosas que he aprendido.

Algunos de ustedes a lo mejor no comparten mi opinión, así que siéntanse libres en comentar.

Ah That would be Mole or pipian.. : )
 
Robert

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Joseph Puentes wrote:

From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The benefits of sharing
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 8:08 AM

Eduardo I fully support what you have said and want everyone to think deeply on these words of wisdom. I also strongly believe in that boomerang effect of what goes around comes around and radically changing the topic that is why I don't think there will ever be peace until we stop killing 50 billion animals world wide yearly and expecting to have world peace.

. . .but I have shifted away from Eduardo's encouragement. Please do look at those various genealogical lines that you have not shared and seriously consider updating your folders with new information. If you need help in submitting new information to your folder please contact me directly at: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org If you all want a good example of exactly what Eduardo is encouraging have a look at Kitty and Rich Cortez' folder and you see the selfless work of a sharing genealogist!

Thank you Eduardo for this wonderful advice,

joseph

ps: I'm going to make an effort to upload a few lines of my genealogy that I have failed to upload.

pps: I was having dinner last night with a vegetarian friend and she said that in the Yucutan there are special recipes that uses pumpkin seeds as a base. does anyone know of such recipes?

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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)

Eduardo H Seoane wrote:
>
> I was present when someone, (an instructor) told a group of people that a family member had asked him for a copy of his genealogy and he responded by telling his relative that he was not going to give him anything because he had worked hard and had spent many years and a lot of money compiling his genealogy. This individual told the group that they should not share their genealogy either, "que les cueste a ellos también" were his words.
> My lovely wife always reminds me of “the boomerang effect.” She say's, “what goes around comes around.” Basically, as I understand it, what you give is what you get. So for all you who are holding back out there, you might want to share a little because, who knows, maybe you share the information that someone needs that extends your line back another ten generations. It is intresting how that works, often the giver receives a lot more than they gave.
> I do not think we, as a genealogical group, should be in the business of expecting something, before we share our information. One gets a lot further in life when they have a group, like this one assisting them on their quest to find their family. I hope this group will continue to be a place where I can come and gain knowledge and share a few things I have picked up along the way.   Some of you might or might not share my opinion, so feel free to comment.
>
>
> Estaba presente cuando alguien, (un instructor) le dijo a un grupo de personas que un miembro de su familia le había pedido una copia de su genealogía y él le respondió a su pariente que no se la iba a dar porque él había trabajado duro y por muchos años, gastado mucho dinero, compilando su genealogía. Este individuo le dijo al grupo que no compartieran su genealogía tampoco,  “que les cueste a ellos también” eran sus palabras. Mi esposa encantadora siempre me recuerda de “el efecto  bumerang.” Ella dice,  “lo qué va, viene de regreso.” Básicamente, como yo lo entiendo, lo qué usted da es lo que usted consigue. Así es que, para todos ustedes que se están aguantando, a lo mejor quieran compartir un poco, porque quien sabe, quizás compartes la información que alguien necesita para extender la línea de el y la suya, otras diez generaciones. Es interesante  cómo eso funciona,  a menudo el que da recibe mucho más de lo
que ellos dieron. No pienso que nosotros, como grupo genealógico, debemos estar en el negocio de esperar algo antes de compartir nuestra información. Uno llega mucho más lejos en la vida cuando tiene un grupo, como éste  asistiendo en la búsqueda para encontrar a su familia. Espero que este grupo continúe siendo un lugar en donde pueda obtener conocimiento y compartir algunas cosas que he aprendido.
> Algunos de ustedes a lo mejor no comparten mi opinión, así que siéntanse libres en comentar.
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Eduardo I fully support what you have said and want everyone to think
deeply on these words of wisdom. I also strongly believe in that
boomerang effect of what goes around comes around and radically changing
the topic that is why I don't think there will ever be peace until we
stop killing 50 billion animals world wide yearly and expecting to have
world peace.

. . .but I have shifted away from Eduardo's encouragement. Please do
look at those various genealogical lines that you have not shared and
seriously consider updating your folders with new information. If you
need help in submitting new information to your folder please contact me
directly at: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org If you all want a good example
of exactly what Eduardo is encouraging have a look at Kitty and Rich
Cortez' folder and you see the selfless work of a sharing genealogist!

Thank you Eduardo for this wonderful advice,

joseph

ps: I'm going to make an effort to upload a few lines of my genealogy
that I have failed to upload.

pps: I was having dinner last night with a vegetarian friend and she
said that in the Yucutan there are special recipes that uses pumpkin
seeds as a base. does anyone know of such recipes?

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Eduardo H Seoane wrote:
>
> I was present when someone, (an instructor) told a group of people
> that a family member had asked him for a copy of his genealogy and he
> responded by telling his relative that he was not going to give him
> anything because he had worked hard and had spent many years and a lot
> of money compiling his genealogy. This individual told the group that
> they should not share their genealogy either, "que les cueste a ellos
> también" were his words.
> My lovely wife always reminds me of “the boomerang effect.” She say's,
> “what goes around comes around.” Basically, as I understand it, what
> you give is what you get. So for all you who are holding back out
> there, you might want to share a little because, who knows, maybe you
> share the information that someone needs that extends your line back
> another ten generations. It is intresting how that works, often the
> giver receives a lot more than they gave.
> I do not think we, as a genealogical group, should be in the business
> of expecting something, before we share our information. One gets a
> lot further in life when they have a group, like this one assisting
> them on their quest to find their family. I hope this group will
> continue to be a place where I can come and gain knowledge and share a
> few things I have picked up along the way. Some of you might or
> might not share my opinion, so feel free to comment.
>
>
> Estaba presente cuando alguien, (un instructor) le dijo a un grupo de
> personas que un miembro de su familia le había pedido una copia de su
> genealogía y él le respondió a su pariente que no se la iba a dar
> porque él había trabajado duro y por muchos años, gastado mucho
> dinero, compilando su genealogía. Este individuo le dijo al grupo que
> no compartieran su genealogía tampoco, “que les cueste a ellos
> también” eran sus palabras.
> Mi esposa encantadora siempre me recuerda de “el efecto bumerang.”
> Ella dice, “lo qué va, viene de regreso.” Básicamente, como yo lo
> entiendo, lo qué usted da es lo que usted consigue. Así es que, para
> todos ustedes que se están aguantando, a lo mejor quieran compartir un
> poco, porque quien sabe, quizás compartes la información que alguien
> necesita para extender la línea de el y la suya, otras diez
> generaciones. Es interesante cómo eso funciona, a menudo el que da
> recibe mucho más de lo que ellos dieron.
> No pienso que nosotros, como grupo genealógico, debemos estar en el
> negocio de esperar algo antes de compartir nuestra información. Uno
> llega mucho más lejos en la vida cuando tiene un grupo, como éste
> asistiendo en la búsqueda para encontrar a su familia. Espero que este
> grupo continúe siendo un lugar en donde pueda obtener conocimiento y
> compartir algunas cosas que he aprendido.
> Algunos de ustedes a lo mejor no comparten mi opinión, así que
> siéntanse libres en comentar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>