Hi all,
I just got my FTDNA results this evening. It's rather complicated, so I'm going to have to read up a bit on interpreting the info. It doesn't look like the Family Finder basic gives you your haplogroup, unless I'm missing it.
I took the Ancestry.com test a year or so ago. My results there, separated according to my guess:
Father:
British Isles-34%
Scandinavian 11% (I'm assuming it was Viking, leaving some DNA in England and Ireland.)
Mother (full-blooded Mexican):
East Asian;17% (Native American, I think)
South Asian 10% (Roma, I think, from Spain)
Native North American: 8%
Native South American: 6%
Southern European: 7% (Spanish)
Total:
European: 52%
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FTDNA results:
Western European: 52.94%
Native American: 10.91%
East Asian: 21.49%
South Asian: 14.66%
The percentages appear to be very close to each other.
Beyond this, I'm still not sure how to read the rest of my results. I'll do that later at a more decent hour!
Thanks,
Laura Gonzalez
DNA Results
Hi Armando,
Thanks again for the input and calculations.
I actually bought a Geno2.0 kit in order to get my own ethnic percentile estimate. I chose them since it seems to me they have a pretty strong database to make their calculations, not just from tests people bought, but also from their own field research. I will mail it in a few weeks when I "make a run for the border", I look forward to getting those results.
However, for my parents samples I decided to try the Family Finder tests since they also offer the "DNA cousin comparison" and I would like to see if finding distant cousins from other lines than the direct paternal and maternal ones helps me to break some brick-walls in my genealogical research (such as discovering if my Navarro family does come from Jalisco as one undocumented source claims).
Have a nice weekend!
Victoriano Navarro
Globe13 calculator
Hi Armando,
I ran some FTDNA results through the program you suggested. Could you please provide a comparison to Spanish and other European populations sources? Family Finder only gives us Europe (Finnish, Russian), Middle East (North Africa, Mozabite), South Asia (North Indian and Southeast Indian) and Native American ("Central American", Maya). The program you suggested gives quite different results, even using its different calculators.
Chromosome #SNPs
All 166255
Siberian 1.47
Amerindian 42.10
West_African 4.46
Palaeo_African 0.44
Southwest_Asian 5.13
East_Asian 1.25
Mediterranean 20.04
Australasian 0.03
Arctic 1.71
West_Asian 6.40
North_European 14.36
South_Asian 0.98
East_African 1.62
Most of the FTDNA matches we get include the old families from NE Mexico and Texas: González, de la Garza, Elizondo, Villarreal, Cantú, etc. I understand that at least the Elizondo family got to NE Mexico through Mazapil, Zacatecas. We also have a Hernández line that goes back to Gruñidora, Zacatecas. Besides them, most of our other lines come from Coahuila and Nuevo León.
Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro
Globe13 calculator
Hello Victoriano,
FTDNA provides a region name then it provides in parenthesis the demonym of ethnic groups that have a larger percent of those autosomal markers. However, the autosomal markers showed up thousands of years before those ethnic groups came into being. Also, those ethnic groups have a mix of markers. For example Russians are a mix of Siberian, Southwest_Asian, Mediterranean, Arctic, West_Asian, North_European, and South_Asian. Likewise Spanish are a mix of many of those and they have 36.8% North_European. That does not mean Spaniards descend from Russians. It means the people that gave Russians 68.5% of their autosomal DNA also gave Spaniards 36.8% percent of their autosomal DNA. We have no idea who those people were that first had the North_European markers nor do we know for sure when they populated the rest of Europe.
The Middle East is also a mix of ancestral components, or ancient autosomal DNA. The whole world except a few rare groups have a mix of ancestral components.
The ancestral components that Geno 2.0 uses are
Northeast Asian
Mediterranean
Southern African
Southwest Asian
Native American
Oceanian
Southeast Asian
Northern European
Sub-Saharan African
The components that globe13 uses are the ones that you posted.
If you go to the globe13 page http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2012/10/globe13-calculator.html and download the spreadsheet you will find what I have below.
The following are what the Spanish consist of -
Siberian 0
Amerindian 0
West_African 0.9
Palaeo_African 0.1
Southwest_Asian 5.6
East_Asian 0
Mediterranean 50.4
Australasian 0
Arctic 0
West_Asian 5.1
North_European 36.8
South_Asian 0.4
East_African 0.6
Since the vast majority of the European ancestors of Mexicans are Spaniards then I feel it is reasonable to use the ancestral components of the Spanish for our European ancestry. The FTDNA results that you ran through the calculator show to have 40% of the North_European and Mediterranean components that the Spanish have. So then I use 40% of the other components that the Spanish have for that person's results. What remains is 54% Amerindian, 40% Spanish, and 6% African.
If the person has a well documented tree this should fit well with their tree given that the DNA we inherit is random. We don't inherit it in the exact percentages that we have documented ancestry. I have used this method for my ancestry, my uncle's, my wife's and a few more people. The data agrees, in a reasonable range, with our documented trees. This method also matches well with what Geno 2.0 reported on my wife's results once I added the Geno 2.0 reference populations in the same percentages as her known ancestry.
Saludos,
Armando
Globe13 calculator
Hi Armando,
Thanks for the info. According to FTDNA our sample's percentiles are 26.4% Europe (Finnish, Russian), 22.9% Middle East (North Africa, Mozabite), 6.7% South Asia (North Indian and Southeast Indian) and y 44% Native American (México and Centroamérica).
By comparing it to the NatGeo Geno2.0 reference populations and based on our genealogical research, I estimated these numbers added up to 56% Iberian and 44% Amerindian, similar to your estimate based on Globe13 results, but not quite the same.
FTDNA does mention Population Finder is a beta project and thus the percentiles given may vary over time, so I guess this is far from being an exact science.
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro
Globe13 calculator
FTDNA terminology and methodology is outdated. It should be used only as a reference to what was used in the past. It has been in Beta for years.
The Geno 2.0 testing is done by FTDNA but the terminology and presentation are different and Geno 2.0 actually provides source population info on the admixture of many countries, regions, and ethnic groups from around the world. This is because Geno 2.0 is newer and updated. It is far better in those regards.
The reason you estimated differently than me is because you didn't divide your sample's North European and Mediterranean percentages by the percentage found in either the Geno 2.0 or the Globe13 North European and Mediterranean percentages for the Spanish or Iberian population. If you do that it comes out to around 40% +-2%. If you multiply the 40% times the other components that exist in the Spanish population you still end up with about 40%. If you subtract the Spanish amounts of Asian DNA and add the remaining Asian DNA to the Amerindian DNA then the total is about 54.55% of Amerindian+plus non-Spanish Asian. Once I redid the calculation on the non-Spanish African it comes out to 4.13% and there is 1.3% that didn't get calculated in for any of the others. It could partially be Spanish, Amerindian, and African for that 1.3% or all of it could belong to just one population.
The reason I used all of North European and Mediterranean percentages from the sample for the Spanish or Iberian population is because those components don't exist in significant amounts in the Amerindian or African populations. But yu
It seems that there are some missing branches in the genealogy of the sample, especially the African ancestry, since I calculated in African ancestry of the Spanish population. It could be a Moor, mulato, or other. The Amerindian ancestry that you didn't calculate in are probably from the female lines that aren't documented. Even though there are some exceptions, including my own ancestors, most men did not take wives, and/or daughters to Mexico. That means there are more Amerindian ancestors that aren't documented but since they married Spaniards and so did their daughters, granddaughters and so on they considered themselves Spanish. This is where finding people with the female line from Mexico with European mtDNA becomes very interesting.
Here is a table of my updated calculations.
Components Spanish Amerindian African
Siberian 0.00 1.47 0.00
Amerindian 0.00 42.10 0.00
West_African 0.36 0.00 2.68
Palaeo_African 0.18 0.00 0.40
Southwest_Asian 2.05 3.08 0.00
East_Asian 0.00 1.25 0.00
Mediterranean 20.04 0.00 0.00
Australasian 0.00 0.00 0.03
Arctic 0.00 1.71 0.00
West_Asian 2.04 4.36 0.00
North_European 14.36 0.00 0.00
South_Asian 0.40 0.58 0.00
East_African 0.60 0.00 1.02
Total 40.03 54.55 4.13
Saludos,
Armando
DNA Results
Hello Laura,
Family Finder does not provide haplogroup info. You need to get an mtDNA
test for the maternal line and a male has to get the Y-DNA test for the
paternal line.
For your ancestry percentage the best calculator is the Globe13 at
http://www.y-str.org/tools/diy-dodecad-wrapper/
You have to download your raw file from Family Finder first then drag it
into the DIYdodecadwrapper and choosing globe13 out of the list of
calculators.
You can save the results as a text file. Post them here I can provide a
comparison to Spanish and other European populations sources.
The Globe13 calculator uses terminology that closely matches the National
Geographic Geno 2.0 test.
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/overview-of-regions-and-clos…
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/overview-of-regions-and-clos…
The other two items that Family Finder provides are matches with a
calculated relationship and a chromosome browser. The match calculation
isn't very accurate past 3 generations since the amount of DNA is random
but a common ancestor can be found with triangulation, even at 10
generations, if there are enough matches on the same chromosome on the same
region and multiple people have well documented trees. If multiple
ancestors are shared the most recent ancestors in common will be the ones
that passed the DNA down to you. You can find out who matches you on the
which chromosomes by downloading the chromosome browser information through
www.dnagedcom.com
Once you have the chromosome browser you can separate the matches by
chromosome. You can use my template to copy and past matches according to
their chromosome.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/je5ixvfn351dt2w/68nluyioX7
There are now two different DNA projects for our region which I recommend
that you join.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/NuevaGaliciaDNA/
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/losaltosdejalisco
Warm regards,
Armando