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Gil Ramirez

I tested positive for I2b1 I-M223 and have been trying to follow people that have the same results.

My last name is Ramirez, however, I discovered a direct paternal great grandfather who was born with the last name Rodriguez but later, as detailed on his marriage record, took on his mothers surname Ramirez. He was a legitimate son who was born with the last name Rodriguez.

I have read books that indicate that it was a common practice to carry on your mothers surname during early colonial times. I'm just not sure that this was practiced in Mexico

Long story short, my Haplogroup matches the English, German and Scandinavian I2b1 I-M223 project participants and so far I seem to be the only individual of Mexican descent who has the I2b1 I-M223 and that is participating on Family Tree DNA Jalisco Project.

Only time will tell how many European settlers brought over this Haplogroup to the Americas.

This is why it is a good idea to not only research your ancestors thru this forum, family search, ancestry, etc., but to also try to invest a few hundred dollars in a test that might possibly confirm your suspicions or gut feelings.

If you look at the surname Rodriguez here, http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Rodrigues you can see that the name has many origins.

One thing is to carry a Surname that might be of Germanic origin and the other is to test positive for the same tribes and carry the surname.

My ancestors have been living in southern Jalisco for hundreds of years and one thing that I have noticed is the physical features belonging to this area.

Skin color varies in the south but one thing for sure that is not too uncommon to see in the south are men with full beards, body hair like you can't imagine, long noses and baldness. These are traits that stereotyped early Spaniards coming to the Americas but somehow today are absent from even their own Country. I will give you a good example of just how hairy people can get in Catarina, Jalisco. My father and at least 3 of my uncles have what I call "connect the neck syndrome". They are so hairy that the hair on their backs connects with the hair on the back of their necks. Some of my uncles are light skinned, some are morenos claros, some have light colored eyes and some have brown eyes, but all have this unique look that is not too uncommon in surrounding areas that include, Zacoalco de Torres, Tecalitlan, Techaluta, Santa Ana Acatlan, Union de Tula, Ciudad Guzman, Atotonilco el Bajo, Teocuitatlan de Corono, Sayula, Cocula, etc.

I believe that the early Spaniards who settled the south part of Jalisco were different from those who settled the north, particularly los Altos.

Traveling thru Los Altos I have seen mostly light skinned and light colored eyed people and what puzzles me is how many of those same people lack the typical or stereotypical look that the early Conquistadors/early Europeans had. They just seem to lack body hair and full beards. Actually wish I wasn't so hairy, so take it as a compliment.

Who settled Los Altos? I believe that I read a forum moderator or member (Nuestros Ranchos) once commented that DNA in Los Altos mostly came from Anadalucia and Extremadura.

Would be interesting to find out who settled the South part of Jalisco.

All in all, both the south and north of Jalisco have come together with their DNA and have produced its own unique look that is easily identified by yours truly. Its not the skin color, its not the eye color, its not the hair, its not the eyes, its just a certain look that is simply unique and different.

I run into morenos, morenos claros, altos, chaparritas, blancos, blancas, gueros and gueras out here in California and when I comment to them "Ya se que eres de Jalisco" they reply, "si, soy de Jalisco".

Don't mean to rough up any feathers out there, its just my personal observation.

Feel free to comment on physical traits from your local rancho, pueblo or ciudad.

Please note that I have not said that we are a good looking bunch. Those comments I leave for others to say.

My grandfather would always say that a man should have 3 qualities that begin with the letter "F"