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Hello Primos/Saludos Primos!

My name is Daniel Serna Valencia. I live out in California. On my mother's, our roots run deep into Jalisco.Here are the towns and surnames I'm researching:

Valencia - Ameca, Acatlan de Juarez, Jocotepec, Teocuitatlan de Corona, Hacienda de Huejotitan (Jocotepec), Sahuayo, Cotija
Alcaraz/Oceguera/Flores de Estrada/Macias-Valadez - Poncitlan,, La Barca, Ocotlan, Jiquilpan, Sahuayo, Ixtlan, Hacienda de la Palma, Cotija
Mercado - Cuquio, Yahualica, Fresnillo
Ponce/Güitron - Talpa, Tenamaxtlan, Guachinango, Mascota, Hacienda de San Cristobal (Tenamaxtlan)
Aguirre/Navarette/de las Casas/de la Dueña - Real de San Sebastián, Hostotipaquillo, Real de la Resurrecion
Curiel - Talpa, Cuale, Mascota
Portillo - Guachinango, Mixtlan

On my wife's side I'm tracing the following:

de la Cueva/ Gutierrez/ Castañeda/ Coria/Ochoa-Garibai/ Jimenez - Tamazula, Zamora, Jiquilpan, Tlazazalca

If you share any of those last names and in the towns I mentioned, please let me know. I've made good progress on my Valencia and Alcaraz/Oceguera lines that I could discuss.

Best,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Hi Daniel,

Do you know whether your Alcaraz family has any connection to the Alcaraz/Alexandre family of Jiquilpan, Mich?

I'm descended from Maria Alcaraz of Jilquilpan married to Geronimo de Alexandre Villaroel (either grandson or greatgrandson of Bartolome de Alexandre & Isabel Villaroel of Patzcuaro, Mich.) I descend through their son, Joseph de Alexandre (Villaroel) who moved to Ocotlan, Jal. and married Juana Hurtado de mendoza (daughter of Juan Flores de Estrada)

I've found that at least one confirmed daughter of Geronimo and Maria went mostly by the maternal surname as Juana Alcaraz. Juana and her husband, Joseph Castellanos, are padrinos to her sister's, Leonor, marriage to Juan Vargas Molina in 1720 in La Barca Jal. and is listed as Juana de Alexandre. (This makes me wonder if most of the female Alcaraz living in Poncitlan, Jal. in early 1700s are related to Geronimo de Alexandre & Maria Alcaraz since it was very rare for that area at that time.)

Paul A. Gonzales

P.S. I have a very strong connection to Ocotlan, Poncitlan, La Barca, and Jamay areas through my paternal side.

Hi Paul,

What an amazing coincidence! About 2-3 days ago I stumbled across the dispensa matrimonial (From the archives of Casa Morelos, archivo del antiguo Obispado de Michoacan) between Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel y Velasquez and Maria de Alcaraz! We absolutely share a common ancestor via the Alcaraz line!

Maria de Alcaraz cc Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel y Velasquez was the sister of Antonia de Oceguera cc Juan Flores de Estrada, my 8th great-grandparents. The sisters were daughters of Pedro Ruiz de Alcaraz and Leonor de Oceguera, my 9th great-grandparents. I know this for a fact given this dispensa matrimonial as it tells us Maria de Alcaraz's parents:

  • Dispensa Matrimonial de Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel y Maria de Alcaraz



    • Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel y Velasquez married twice, the first time to Ana de Alcocer (Daughter of Diego de Alcocer and Tomasina de Espinosa). The second time with Maria de Alcaraz.

    You are indeed right in that Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel y Velasquez was the grandson of Bartolome de Alexandre and Isabel de Villarroel. From what I've found in the archives, the Alexandre family tree looks like this:

  • Pedro de Alexandre (b. Sevilla, Andalucia, Espana) cc Ana Perez Navarro
  • Bartolome de Alexandre (b. Sevilla, Andalucia, Espana, d. 1625 Patzcuaro, Michoacan, Mexico) cc Isabel de Villarroel
  • Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel cc Isabel Velasquez (Daughter of Juan Fernandez cc Ana Vasquez)
  • Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel cc Maria de Alcaraz (2nd marriage)



    • Here are some links that back up some of the above information:

  • 1625, Patzcuaro - Fundacion de Capellania, fundada por Isabel de Villarroel a nombre de su esposo Bartolome de Alexandre
  • 1606, Patzcuaro - Partida de bautizmo de Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel
  • 1662, Zirahuen - Informacion Matrimonial de Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel y Velasquez y Ana de Alcocer
  • 1670, Tinguindin - Dispensa Matrimonial (Por afinidad) entre Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel y Velasquez & Maria de Alcaraz



    • Hope this helps,

    Daniel Serna Valencia

    Since I manage several trees which one are you referring to, Daniel?

    Paul Gomez
    Sent from my iPhone

    > On Jan 30, 2018, at 11:58 AM, themexican@outlook.com wrote:
    >
    > Hi Paul, What an amazing coincidence! About 2-3 days ago I stumbled across
    > the dispensa matrimonial (From the archives of Casa Morelos, archivo del
    > antiguo Obispado de Michoacan) between *Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel y
    > Velasquez* and *Maria de Alcaraz*! We absolutely share a common ancestor via
    > the *Alcaraz* line! *Maria de Alcaraz* cc *Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel y
    > Velasquez* was the sister of *Antonia de Oceguera* cc *Juan Flores de
    > Estrada*, my 8th great-grandparents. The sisters were daughters of *Pedro
    > Ruiz de Alcaraz* and *Leonor de Oceguera*, my 9th great-grandparents. I know
    > this for a fact given this dispensa matrimonial as it tells us *Maria de
    > Alcaraz's* parents:
    > * Dispensa Matrimonial de Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel y Maria de
    > Alcaraz [1]
    > *Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel y Velasquez* married twice, the first time
    > to *Ana de Alcocer* (Daughter of *Diego de Alcocer* and *Tomasina de
    > Espinosa*). The second time with *Maria de Alcaraz*. You are indeed right in
    > that *Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel y Velasquez* was the grandson of
    > *Bartolome de Alexandre* and *Isabel de Villarroel*. From what I've found in
    > the archives, the *Alexandre* family tree looks like this:
    > * Pedro de Alexandre (b. Sevilla, Andalucia, Espana) cc Ana Perez Navarro
    > * Bartolome de Alexandre (b. Sevilla, Andalucia, Espana, d. 1625 Patzcuaro,
    > Michoacan, Mexico) cc Isabel de Villarroel
    > * Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel cc Isabel Velasquez (Daughter of Juan
    > Fernandez cc Ana Vasquez)
    > * Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel cc Maria de Alcaraz (2nd marriage)
    > Here are some links that back up some of the above information:
    > * 1625, Patzcuaro - Fundacion de Capellania, fundada por Isabel de
    > Villarroel a nombre de su esposo Bartolome de Alexandre [2]
    > * 1606, Patzcuaro - Partida de bautizmo de Geronimo de Alexandre Villarroel
    > [3]
    > * 1662, Siraguen - Informacion Matrimonial de Geronimo de Alexandre
    > Villarroel y Velasquez y Ana de Alcocer [4]
    > * 1670, Tinguindin - Dispensa Matrimonial (Por afinidad) entre Geronimo de
    > Alexandre Villarroel y Velasquez & Maria de Alcaraz [5]
    > Hope this helps! Daniel Serna Valencia
    >
    > [1] https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KPLH-Q?i=441&wc=3NTX-T…
    > [2] https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-1M9T-T3?i=134&cc=1883388&c…
    > [3] https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2LS5-HG?i=28&cc=1883388
    > [4] https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5V96-4P?i=1396&wc=3NYH…
    > [5] https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KPLH-Q?i=441&wc=3NTX-T…
    >

    Daniel,

    Wow! That's amazing! I did not expect this treasure trove of information. Part of me was beginning to wonder if I would find who Geronimo's parents were, much less to find his marriage records and Maria's parents. I find the Alexandre family fascinating! A once very wealthy and renowned family that seems to have eventually faded to relative obscurity.

    Did you know that Geronimo de Alexandre and Maria de Alcaraz are in the 1683 Padron of Jiquilpan, Mich? They are listed twice. Once in the household of Pedro de Alcaraz & Leonor de Oceguera (familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-D9G4-C) and by themselselves with a single servant/slave (familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-D9LD-K).

    Thank you for the new information,
    Paul A. Gonzales

    To Daniel Serna Valencia,

    Here is more information from my book mygenes2000 as it connects to your wife.

    I) Don Fabian Martinez and Cathalina de Borja are the parents of Maria Martínez de Borja

    II) Maria Martinez de Borja and Gonzalo Antúnez Yáñez, Portuguese, familiar of the Holy Office. The hacienda that Gonzalo owned was a big part of Mexican political history as Lazaro Cardenas made it the third largest ejido in Mexico in the mid to late 1950's. It also has been in the news lately for other reasons that have to do with drug trafficking and gun battles. Gonzalo and Maria are the parents of Ana de Antúnez y Borja.

    III) Ana de Antúnez y Borja and Captain Don Alonso Rodriguez Martos (have his parents names, but still verifying this info as the parents surnames are completely different from his surname). Don Alonso and Ana are the parents of Antonia Antúnez de Borja (Borgia) who was left orphaned and was raised in the Convent of Santa Catalina de Sena in the city of Valladolid.

    IV) Antonia Antúnez de Borja (Borgia) married Don Mathías de Villaseñor Cervantes y Nuñez del Rincon.

    So your wife's line would look like this:

    1). Your wife
    2). Your wife's parents
    3). Your wife's paternal grandparents
    4). Maria Soledad Castaneda & Jose Maria Gutierrez
    5). Juan Jose Castaneda & Felicitas Chavez
    6). Juan Jose Castaneda & Maria Josefa Mendez
    7). Maria Felipa Munguia & Jose Manuel Cruz Castaneda
    8). Miguel Munguia & Eufracia Rosalia Valdez
    9). Maria Antonia Theresa de Coria y Villasenor & Juan "Carlos" Munguia Maciel
    10) Antonia Villaseñor y Antúnez and Antonio Feliz Coria Peralta Rincon

    11) Antonia Rodriguez Antúñez de Borgia (Borja) and Matias Villaseñor Cervantes y Nuñez del Rincon

    12) Ana de Antúnez y Borja and Captain Don Alonso Rodriguez Martos
    13) Maria Martinez de Borja and Gonzalo Antúnez Yáñez, Portuguese

    14) Don Fabian Martinez and Cathalina de Borja

    Dear Daniel Serna Valencia,

    I messed up and repeated a generation when typing, #10 and 11 are the same people. In one tree the line continues with Antonio Feliz Coria-Peralta Rincon parents and in the other it continues with Antonia Villaseñor's parents.

    10). Antonio Feliz de Coria-Peralta & Antonia de Villasenor
    11). Antonia Villaseñor and Antonio Feliz Coria Peralta Rincon

    This is how it should have been typed.

    1). Your wife
    2). Your wife's parents
    3). Your wife's paternal grandparents
    4). Maria Soledad Castaneda & Jose Maria Gutierrez
    5). Juan Jose Castaneda & Felicitas Chavez
    6). Juan Jose Castaneda & Maria Josefa Mendez
    7). Maria Felipa Munguia & Jose Manuel Cruz Castaneda
    8). Miguel Munguia & Eufracia Rosalia Valdez
    9). Maria Antonia "Teresa" de Coria y Villasenor & Juan "Carlos"Munguia Maciel
    10). Antonio Feliz Coria- Peralta Rincon and Antonia Villaseñor

    11). Alonso Coria Lomelin and Ana Nuñez Hidalgo y Fernandez del Rincon
    12). Catalina Lomelin and Manuel Coria-Peralta

    13). Luis Lomelin (Luciano Lomellini) and Maria Olmo

    1). Your wife
    2). Your wife's parents
    3). Your wife's paternal grandparents
    4). Maria Soledad Castaneda & Jose Maria Gutierrez
    5). Juan Jose Castaneda & Felicitas Chavez
    6). Juan Jose Castaneda & Maria Josefa Mendez
    7). Maria Felipa Munguia & Jose Manuel Cruz Castaneda
    8). Miguel Munguia & Eufracia Rosalia Valdez
    9). Maria Antonia Theresa de Coria y Villasenor & Juan "Carlos" Munguia Maciel
    10) Antonia Villaseñor and Antonio Feliz Coria Peralta Rincon

    11). Matias Villaseñor Cervantes y Nuñez del Rincon and Antonia Rodriguez Antúñez de Borgia (Borja)
    12) Capitan Francisco de Villaseñor Cervantes y Patiño and Ines Nuñez Hidalgo del Rincon
    13). Juan de Villaseñor Cervantes y Guesca and Maria Patiño de Herrera y Pereyra

    14). Francisco de Villaseñor y Cervantes and Leonor de Guesca (Gasca) y Reus
    15). Conquistador Juan Villaseñor-Tovar y Orosco (born 1500) and Catalina Cervantes de Andrada Lara

    16) Diego de Burgos Tovar (Villaseñor) (born prior 1455) and his second wife Guiomar Horosco y Sandoval (born prior 1481)

    17). Diego de Villaseñor y Tovar (born between 1405-1420) Isabel de Villaseñor (Daughter of Alfonso Villaseñor)

    18). comendador Juan Villaseñor Seron (Serone/Seronis) married to Elvira de Tovar y Enriquez de Castilla

    19). Diego Villaseñor alcaide de Segovía married to Maria Serones (Seron)

    20). Fernan A. Villaseñor marries Aldonza Gutierrez de Tapia

    21) Elvira Osórez and Alfonso F. Villaseñor

    22). Fernando Osórez maestro de Santiago, d. 1383)

    Sorry,
    Rick A. Ricci

    Daniel:

    I do have several lines in Ameca, and near Acatlan de Juarez and Jocotepec, primarily in Zacoalco de Torres and Santa Catarina.

    I did notice you mention Guachinango, Mascota, as well as the surname Curiel. I have lots of ancestors in these areas. The surnames that I have from Mascota, Guachinango, and/or Atenguillo are: Curiel, Peña, Diaz, Cazarez, Chavez, Topete, Macedo, Landeros, Lopez, Lozano, Gil, Sanchez, Castellon, Fregoso, Aguiar, Jimenez, Amaral. If you have any of these in your family tree, we are probably related.

    As far as Curiel, the earliest document I found on a direct ancestor is the matrimonial dispensation of Domingo Curiel and Gertrudis Gil. They married around march 1758 in Mascota. They lived in San Pablo, near Atenguillo.

    If any of these names sound familiar, let me know. I hope we can share and compare some data.

    Saludos

    Steve in NC

    Hi Steve,

    The earliest Curiels I have are the following:

    Jose Serapio Curiel cc Maria Teodocia Encarnacion (my 5x gg-parents), they had the following children, that I've been able to find. (All were from Mascota, Rancho de Potrillos):

    Jose de Jesus Curiel (b. 1830) cc Prudencia Hernandez
    Serapio de Jesus Curiel (b. 1831) cc Maria Avalos, cc Francisca Mesa
    Leonides Curiel (b. 1833) cc Maria Justa Pastora Mercado (my 4x gg-parents)

    From Mascota, they moved to Cuale and from there they made their way to Talpa. Given the lack of records for Mascota in the 1700s, I've reached a brick wall with this line.

    I do have at least a couple of lines of Fregoso, one mine and one is my wife's:

    My Fregoso line:

    Me
    My Parents
    My Grandparents
    Otilio Rodriguez cc Maria del Carmen Portillo (2nd marriage)
    Emgidio Rodriguez cc Sixta Ramos
    Jose Benito de Jesus Ramos cc Paulina Robles
    Pedro Ramos cc Guadalupe Lugarda Fregoso
    Paulino Maria Fregoso cc Andrea Josefa Ocampo
    Jose Antonio Fregoso cc Juana Quiteria Gomez Garcia
    Sebastian Fregoso cc Maria de Arechiga
    Juan Fregoso cc Angela Enrriquez Beltran
    Domingo Fregoso cc Francisca Sanchez Conde
    Leonardo Fregoso cc Bernardina Farfan

    My wife's Fregoso line:

    My wife
    Her parents
    Her grand-parents
    Maria Maclovia Santillan cc Manuel Salazar
    Jose Jesus Santillan cc Francisca Fregoso
    Leonardo Martin Fregoso cc Manuela Casian
    Felipe de Jesus Fregoso cc Maria Encarnacion Diaz
    Maria Gertrudis Fregoso cc ??? She had Felipe out of wedlock (hijo natural)
    Juan Angel Fregoso cc Antonia Rafaela Pacheco
    Domingo Fregoso cc Beatriz de Hijar
    Juan Fregoso cc Angela Enrriquez Beltran
    Domingo Fregoso cc Francisca Sanchez Conde
    Leonardo Fregoso cc Bernardina Farfan

    I'm going to guess that your Fregoso ancestors intersect with one of both of ours. :-) Do they?

    Best,

    Daniel Serna Valencia

    Indeed, I have also had a hard time with my Mascota ancestors. The earliest records were burned during the Reforma War, and I have to go through the marriage dispensations in Guadalajara to find clues about my ancestors. Luckily, lots of families in the area intermarried, and that's how I've been able to extend my family tree in that region.

    Indeed, we are related through our Fregoso line this way:

    Me
    My parents
    Maria Luisa Gomez, married Arnulfo Apodaca
    Elena Curiel, married Urbano Gomez
    Maria de Jesus Peña, married Ygnacio Curiel
    Efren Peña, partnered Pantaleona Cazarez
    Maria Eleuteria Topete, married Jose Maria Peña
    Rudecindo Topete, married Maria Josefa Curiel
    Juana Maria Fregoso, married Santiago Rafael Topete
    Simon Thadeo Fregoso, married Maria Margarita Barrera (or Barreda)
    Domingo Fregoso, married Beatriz de Hijar Bracamonte
    Juan Fregoso, married Angela Enrriquez Beltran
    Domingo Fregoso, married Francisca Sanchez Conde

    I've been able to find my last Fregoso ancestors through the matrimonial dispensation of Juan Flores de Arechiga and Juana Henrriquez Fregoso, daughter of Juan Fregoso. However, I have not been able to connect to Leonardo Fregoso and Bernardina Farfan. Another member from the forum told me that Leonardo was the father of Domingo, but I have not been able to find an original document that connects them. How did you determine that relationship?

    Also, I wonder if you have info about Leonardo's children from his other marriage (Chavez). I have Chavez Fragoso ancestors from Aguascalientes, but I just haven't been able to connect with Leonardo, yet.

    Steve,

    In an old Nuestros Ranchos post, I found the following post by Guillermo Tovar de Teresa:

    http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19241?page=1
    ================================================================
    Contenido del testamento de Leonardo Fregoso
    Submitted by gmotovar@prodig... on Sun, 2011-02-20 18:00.
    Por equivocación, creo que envié otro datos dirigidos a un investigador de Granada, quien me pidió ayuda para situar al Tesorero Alonso de Mérida (1539-1550).

    Pero, lo de Leonardo Fregoso consiste en lo siguiente:

    -El testamento de encuentra en el AIPEJ, ante el protocolo de Juan Sedano, volumen V, folios 59 fte hasta 62 fte.

    -Dice haber sido casado dos veces. La primera con Ana de Chávez, con quien tuvo a Pedro de Chávez Fregoso.

    -La segunda con Bernardina Farfán, con quien hubo y procreó a Domingo (de treinta años, marido de Francisca Sánchez Conde); a Leonardo Fregoso; a tres monjas profesas del Convento de Santa Maria de Gracia de Guadalajara, de nombre Bernardina de Santa Clara, Juliana de San Leonel y Maria de Santa Ursula y, por último, a Gerónima de la Cueva, casada con Francisco de Velasco y Temiño. Yo desciendo de Domingo y de Gerónima.

    -Entre sus bienes menciona una hacienda de moler metales en el Real de Santiago, jurisdicción de las Minas de Ostotipac.

    -El testamento se halla fechado el 2 de julio de 1635.

    -Existe en el AGIS, un documento que nos lo muestra como un gran maestro en el arte de amalgamación de metales, al modo de Bartolomé de Medina, cuando recibe un reconocimiento del Rey Felipe II.

    Espero que esto te sirva y me da mucho gusto compartirlo contigo, que para eso estamos, para servir a los miembros de nuestra comunidad.

    Saludos

    Guillermo Tovar de Teresa
    ===========================================================

    Daniel Serna Valencia

    My 4th great-grandfather -Paulino Maria Fregoso Gomez
    -Joseph Bernardino Fregoso de Ocampo (1782 - )

    Maria De Jesus Fregoso Gomez (1818 - )

    Maria Francisca Patiño Fregoso (1845 - )

    Jose De Jesus Gomez Patiño (1873 - )

    Remigia Gomez Perez (1918 - )

    J.Ignacio Anaya Gomez and me .

    1). Your wife
    2). Your wife's parents
    3). Your wife's paternal grandparents
    4). Maria Soledad Castaneda & Jose Maria Gutierrez
    5). Juan Jose Castaneda & Felicitas Chavez
    6). Juan Jose Castaneda & Maria Josefa Mendez
    7). Maria Felipa Munguia & Jose Manuel Cruz Castaneda
    8). Miguel Munguia & Eufracia Rosalia Valdez
    9). Maria Antonia Theresa de Coria y Villasenor & Juan "Carlos" Munguia Maciel
    10). Antonio Feliz de Coria-Peralta & Antonia de Villasenor
    11). Antonia Villaseñor and Antonio Feliz Coria Peralta Rincon

    12). Matias Villaseñor Cervantes y Nuñez del Rincon and Antonia Rodriguez Antúñez de Borgia (Borja)
    13). Capitan Francisco de Villaseñor Cervantes y Patiño and Ines Nuñez Hidalgo del Rincon
    14). Juan de Villaseñor Cervantes y Guesca and Maria Patiño de Herrera y Pereyra

    15). Francisco de Villaseñor y Cervantes and Leonor de Guesca (Gasca) y Reus
    16). Conquistador Juan Villaseñor-Tovar y Orosco (born 1500) and Catalina Cervantes de Andrada Lara

    17). Diego de Burgos Tovar (Villaseñor) (born prior 1455) and his second wife Guiomar Horosco y Sandoval (born prior 1481)

    18). Diego de Villaseñor y Tovar (born between 1405-1420) Isabel de Villaseñor (Daughter of Alfonso Villaseñor)

    19). comendador Juan Villaseñor Seron (Serone/Seronis) married to Elvira de Tovar y Enriquez de Castilla

    20). Diego Villaseñor alcaide de Segovía married to Maria Serones (Seron)

    21). Fernan A. Villaseñor marries Aldonza Gutierrez de Tapia

    22). Elvira Osórez and Alfonso F. Villaseñor

    23). Fernando Osórez maestro de Santiago, d. 1383)

    1). Your wife
    2). Your wife's parents
    3). Your wife's paternal grandparents
    4). Maria Soledad Castaneda & Jose Maria Gutierrez
    5). Juan Jose Castaneda & Felicitas Chavez
    6). Juan Jose Castaneda & Maria Josefa Mendez
    7). Maria Felipa Munguia & Jose Manuel Cruz Castaneda
    8). Miguel Munguia & Eufracia Rosalia Valdez
    9). Maria Antonia "Teresa" de Coria y Villasenor & Juan "Carlos"Munguia Maciel
    10). Antonio Feliz de Coria-Peralta & Antonia de Villasenor
    11). Antonia Villaseñor and Antonio Feliz Coria Peralta Rincon

    12). Antonio Feliz Coria- Peralta Rincon and Antonia Villaseñor

    13). Alonso Coria Lomelin and Ana Nuñez Hidalgo y Fernandez del Rincon
    14). Catalina Lomelin and Manuel Coria-Peralta

    15). Luis Lomelin (Luciano Lomellini) and Maria Olmo

    Rick A. Ricci

    My wife and I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to compile such a treasure trove of genealogical info! We're still amazed at how, with your help, we've been able to find ancestors that tie us back to old country.

    Thanks again and we look forward to your book!

    Gracias Primo!

    Daniel Serna Valencia

    Dear Daniel,
    Here are two more lines.

    7mo Bisabuelos: Antonia Villaseñor and Antonio Coria Peralta Rincon

    -8vo Bisabuelos: Matias Villaseñor Cervantes y Nuñez del Rincon and Antonia Rodriguez Antúñez de Borgia (Borja)
    -9no Bisabuelos: Capitan Francisco de Villaseñor Cervantes y Patiño and Ines Nuñez Hidalgo del Rincon
    -10mo Bisabuelo: Juan de Villaseñor Cervantes y Guesca and Maria Patiño de Herrera y Pereyra

    -11mo Bisabuelo: Francisco de Villaseñor y Cervantes and Leonor de Guesca (Gasca) y Reus
    -12vo Bisabuelo: Conquistador Juan Villaseñor-Tovar y Orosco (born 1500) and Catalina Cervantes de Andrada Lara

    13) Bisabuelos: Diego de Burgos Tovar (Villaseñor) (born prior 1455) and his second wife Guiomar Horosco y Sandoval (born prior 1481)

    14) Bisabuelos: Diego de Villaseñor y Tovar (born between 1405-1420) Isabel de Villaseñor (Daughter of Alfonso Villaseñor)

    15) Bisabuelos: comendador Juan Villaseñor Seron (Serone/Seronis) married to Elvira de Tovar y Enriquez de Castilla

    16) Bisabuelos: Diego Villaseñor alcaide de Segovía married to Maria Serones (Seron)

    17) Bisabuelos: Fernan A. Villaseñor marries Aldonza Gutierrez de Tapia

    18) Bisabuelos: Elvira Osórez and Alfonso F. Villaseñor

    19) Bisabuelo: Fernando Osórez maestro de Santiago, d. 1383)

    /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    -7mo Bisabuelos: Antonio Coria- Peralta Rincon and Antonia Villaseñor

    -8vo Bisabuelos: Alonso Coria Lomelin and Ana Nuñez Hidalgo y Fernandez del Rincon
    -9no Bisabuelos: Catalina Lomelin and Manuel Coria-Peralta

    -10mo Bisabuelo: Luis Lomelin and Maria Olmo

    Rick A. Ricci

    hi daniel my name is stephanie martinez but my family members call me steph for short. i see that you are working on family members in your tree by last name of gutierrez and or maldonaldo. my grandfathers sister back then had married a charles gutierrez and her name was juaquina martinez. also, maldonaldos come through my line of family as follows for ex:Petra Maldonado (1862 - 1894)
    2nd cousin 4x removed
    Maria Diega Candelas
    mother of Petra Maldonado
    Maria Feliciana Martinez (1821 - )
    mother of Maria Diega Candelas
    Rafael Martinez (1801 - )
    father of Maria Feliciana Martinez
    Mamerto Martinez
    son of Rafael Martinez
    Serapio Martinez (1825 - )
    son of Mamerto Martinez
    José Maria Martinez (1849 - 1909)
    son of Serapio Martinez
    Cresencio Martinez (1893 - 1974)
    son of José Maria Martinez
    John Coronado Martinez (1931 - 1994)
    son of Cresencio Martinez

    rick ricci has been helping me alot and he is very knowledgable as well as george fulton and others.

    Dear Daniel Serna Valencia,

    I mistakenly wrote "Jose Refugio Ochoa" when I meant to write "Maria Refugio Ochoa" as your wife's great great grandmother. She was the daughter of Jose María Ochoa Mojica

    We know Juan Merlo's maternal grandparents but one source names his mother on one page and then a few pages later names her sister as his mother.
    We know Martin Alfonso Merlo's ancestry as I had already studied this line many years ago when researching other possible ancestors.

    Martin Alfonso Merlo.
    Juan Merlo el Bravo and Guiomar Ulloa Yanez (born about 1430)
    Juana Merlo Ulloa (b.1448) and Gonzalo Pantoja Portocarrero
    Pedro Pantoja-Portocarreo(b. Abt 1468)and Catalina Rodriguez
    juan Pantoja-Portocarrero (b.abt.1490) and Maria de la Pena
    Catalina Pantoja Pena Ulloa (born about 1515) and Alonso De la Cueva Mendoza
    Bernardina Hurtado de Mendoza Pantoja Ulloa (born about 1533) and Gonzalo nunez de Sotomayor
    Juana Nuñez de Sotomayor( born about 1555) and Diego Ochoa de Garibay
    Diego Ochoa Garibay y Nuñez Sotomayor and Juana Bejines Romero
    Nicolas Ochoa Garibay y Bejines Romero and María Jiménez Palomino y Lupiana
    José Ochoa Garibay y Jimenez Lupiana and María Ana Gutierrez de Robles y Esqueda
    Bonifacio Ochoa Garibay y Gutierrez de Robles and Gertrudis de Coria Villaseñor
    Leonardo Ambrosio Ochoa Garibay y Coria Villaseñor and María Josefa Jiménez M.
    Francisco Tomas Ochoa Garibay y Jimenez and María Josepha Mojica
    Jose María Ochoa Mojica, he had at least two wives
    Maria Refugio Ochoa and Ramon Gutierrez
    Jose María Gutierrez and María Soledad Castaneda
    You wife's paternal grandparents
    Your wife's parents
    Your wife

    Rick A. Ricci

    I descend from Bernarda de Coria-Peralta Lomelin, a great paternal aunt of your ancestor of Gertrudis Coria Lomelin y Villaseñor. I am also related through the Villaseñor because Bernarda's husband is Jose Villaseñor y Figueroa who is related to Gertrudis's mother, Antonia Vilaseñor y Borgia.

    I have done much work on the Coria-Peralta and Villaseñor family trees. Some of the work I have posted here on Nuestrosranchos. Those posts are more recent. The Pantoja-Portocarrero ancestry is Juana Nunez de Sotomayor's ancestry and that post was work I think I did a couple of years ago. The Portocarrero ancestry goes back many years and is a mix of of 'cristiano Viejo' and Jewish converts that converted way before the forced Jewish conversions that we are more familiar with. The Portocarrerro line does descend from a king of Leon.

    Juan Merlo el Bravo and Guiomar Ulloa Yanez (born about 1430)
    Juana Merlo Ulloa (b.1448) and Gonzalo Pantoja Portocarrero
    Pedro Pantoja-Portocarreo(b. Abt 1468)and Catalina Rodriguez
    juan Pantoja-Portocarrero (b.abt.1490) and Maria de la Pena
    Catalina Pantoja Pena Ulloa (born about 1515) and Alonso De la Cueva Mendoza
    Bernardina Hurtado de Mendoza Pantoja Ulloa (born about 1533) and Gonzalo nunez de Sotomayor
    Juana nunez de Sotomayor( born about 1555) and Diego Ochoa de Garibay
    Diego Ochoa Garibay y Nuñez Sotomayor and Juana Bejines Romero
    Nicolas Ochoa Garibay y Bejines Romero and María Jiménez Palomino y Lupiana
    José Ochoa Garibay y Jimenez Lupiana and María Ana Gutierrez de Robles y Esqueda
    Bonifacio Ochoa Garibay y Gutierrez de Robles and Gertrudis de Coria Villaseñor
    Leonardo Ambrosio Ochoa Garibay y Coria Villaseñor and María Josefa Jiménez M.
    Francisco Tomas Ochoa Garibay y Jimenez and María Josepha Mojica
    Jose María Ochoa Mojica and María Dolores Villanueva
    Jose Refugio Ochoa and Ramon Gutierrez
    Jose María Gutierrez and María Soledad Castaneda
    You wife's paternal grandparents
    Your wife's parents
    Your wife

    Juan Merlo "el Bravo" is one of the greatest Knights of all time. He went to Germany to prove it. The date and event were recorded for all time when a giant earthquake hit on the same day of his winning challenge.

    Rick A. Ricci

    Wow, that certainly takes my wife quite a few generations on that branch as well! Very exciting to say the least! Thank You.

    I will definitely read up on Juan Merlo "el Bravo"!

    While we're on the topic, I recently discovered that my wife and I share ancestors and thus the lineage you pointed out:

    Bernardina Hurtado de Mendoza Pantoja Ulloa (born about 1533) and Gonzalo Nunez de Sotomayor
    Luisa Hurtado de Mendoza and Diego de Zuniga y Villasirga
    Diego de Zuniga y Mendoza and Maria Cathalina
    Juana de Zuniga (hija natural) and Marcos de Navarette
    Francisco Ramon de Navarette and Cathalina de Aguirre
    Juana Maria Navarette and Luis Ponce
    Jose Eustaquio Ponce and Maria Agustina Rosa Padilla
    Jose Manuel Ygnacio Ponce and Maria del Carmen Guzman
    Jose Maria Rafael Ponce and Maria del Carmen Montes
    Jose Urbano Rafael Ponce and Florentina Guitron
    Honorato Ponce and Lorenza Munoz
    Miguel Ponce and Teofila Alonso
    Feliciano Ponce and Maria del Carmen Portillo
    My maternal grandparents
    My parents
    Myself

    One other tidbit. My wife's family has a second connection to the Coria-Peralta and Villaseñor via this line:

    Antonio Feliz de Coria-Peralta & Antonia de Villasenor
    Maria Teresa de Coria y Villasenor & Carlos Juan Munguia Maciel
    Miguel Munguia & Eufracia Rosalia Valdez
    Maria Felipa Munguia & Jose Manuel Cruz Castaneda
    Juan Jose Castaneda & Maria Josefa Mendez
    Juan Jose Castaneda & Felicitas Chavez
    Maria Soledad Castaneda & Jose Maria Gutierrez
    My wife's paternal grandparents
    My wife's parents
    My wife

    Daniel Serna Valencia

    Dear Daniel,

    I recently helped another member of nuestroranchos with their family line. The line I was helping them with was the same branch as that last line that you gave me on your wife's paternal ancestry. The parents would be close to fifth cousins. I would have to pull his line and put it next to your wife's to see exactly how close the lines are.

    A Merlo family member is involved in a famous story that is considerered the Spanish 'Romeo and Juliet'. Juan Merlo was born in Spain but his father's family Portuguese. His father was a big shot in the court in Castilla but his grandfather's family was close to the Portuguese royalty.

    The ancestry doesn't stop there. I have many more names and stories that you will find interesting. It is all in my book that I haven't published yet.

    Thanks,
    Rick A. Ricci

    I also am working on Vasquez de Mercado and I'm stuck on Juan Vasquez de Mercado and Ines Rangel de Acuna. It is my direct paternal line. I did do a Y-DNA test which confirms my direct paternal ancestor did come from the old world. I'm also originally from CA. Welcome to NR!

    Alex Mercado

    Dear Alex,

    Please provide more information if you want help on Juan Vasquez de Mercado and Ynes Rangel de Acuña. Who are their kids? What years are they likely to be alive? Where did they reside? Did they move around a lot or did they mainly stay in one or two places? Who were their padrinos in their kids baptisms? Do you have any specific information on them?

    There were different lines of descent that carried the Mercado Vasquez surname. There are Vasquez de Mercado or Mercado de Vasquez throughout Mexico.

    One of them was started when with Juan de la Cueva del Mercado, Señor de la Casa de la Cueva de Úbeda y doña Leonor de San Martín Vázquez de Acuña. They had a son named Juan de la Cueva Mercado Vasquez.

    From Spain to Fresnillo, Zacatecas. mexico

    A second line of Mercado Vasquez, or Vasquez de Mercado line originated with Lic. Ginés de Mercado y Inés Vázquez.

    They had a son named Gines de Mercado y Vasquez. This line of descent is the one that the Vasquez de Mercado from Fresnillo, Zacatecas, descend from.

    1). Lic. Ginés de Mercado ) y Inés Vázquez,

    2). Capitán Ginés Vázquez de Mercado (b. in Talavera, Spain, d. 1553, Juchipila) and Ana Vázquez de Tapia (d. Before husband as he is a widower in his later years) ), Ginés and his wife Ana were cousins.

    They had one son and three daughters.

    Your Juan Vasquez de Mercado that is married to Ynes Rangel de Acuña is most likely a descendant of one of these four siblings.

    Thanks,
    Rick

    Dear Daniel

    Welcome to the team. Some of the surnames you are researching are part of my family tree. One name that we share is Ochoa Garibay. Check out the old post of mine on Ochoa Garibay ancestors: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23400

    I also have Valencia in my family tree. I descend from Maria Rita Valencia and Joseph Domingo Estrada.

    Maria Rita Valencia is the daughter of Lorenzo Valencia and Juana Gertrudis Maldonado (aka Gonzalez) ( daughter of Antonio Gonzalez and Petronila 'Petra' Gutierrez-Maldonado

    Lorenzo Valencia and Juana Gertrudis 'Petra' Maldonado are married in Ocotlan, Jalisco on 10/Dec/1736

    Lorenzo's parents are Nicolas Valencia and Josepha Martinez. So far that is the end of the road for my Valencia line. It was just the past week that discoverered Maria Rita Valencia's grandparents.

    FHL microfilm 280,856.

    Image 283 out of 474

    Lorenso Valencia
    mentioned in the record of Lorenso Valencia and Juana Getrudis Maldonado
    Name Lorenso Valencia son of Nicolas Valencia and Josepha Martinez
    Spouse's Name Juana Getrudis Maldonado daughter of Antonio Gonzalez and Petra Gutierrez Maldonado
    Event Date 10 Dec 1736
    Event Place Ocotlan,Jalisco,Mexico
    Citing this Record
    "Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCDH-J9D : 15 July 2015), Lorenso Valencia and Juana Getrudis Maldonado, 10 Dec 1736; citing Ocotlan,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ;

    Rick A. Ricci

    Thanks for the warm welcome Rick and everyone else. Glad to be here.

    Rick, I did indeed view your most informative post and I shared it with my wife who was amazed(and thankful) at how far back you were able to trace back that lineage. On that branch my wife descends from Bonifacio de Ochoa-Garibay as follows:

    Bonifacio de Ochoa-Garibay y Gutierrez de Robles cc Gertrudis de Coria y Villasenor
    Leonardo Ambrocio de Ochoa-Garibay cc Josefa Jimenez y Maciel
    Francisco Thomas de Ochoa cc Maria Josefa Mojica
    Jose Maria Ochoa cc Maria Dolores Villanueva
    Maria Refugio Ochoa cc Ramon Gutierrez
    Jose Maria Gutierrez cc Maria Soledad Castaneda
    My wife's paternal grandparents
    My wife's parents
    My wife

    On the Valencia front, I'm intrigued to know that there was a Valencia family in Ocotlan. I wasn't aware of it until now. I'm always on the lookout for any Valencias in Jalisco to see if and how they are related to other Valencias in Jalisco and Michoacan. If I run across any info regarding Nicolas Valencia and Josepha Martinez in my searches, I'll let you know.

    Thank You,

    Daniel Serna Valencia

    Dear Daniel,

    Thanks for offering to look out for Nicolas Valencia and Josepha Martinez. I am also related to you and your wife through other lines. I am related to you through the Velasco, Figueroa, Cervantes, Macias Valadez , Coria-Peralta Villaseñor, Lomelin, Sotomayor-Pantoja, Boccanegra,and others.

    I have done a lot of research on the Boccanegra, Coria-Peralta line, the Lomelin lines (both Carlo and Luis), Juana Nunez de Sotomayors line, and the Villaseñor Cervantes family and others that you are also researching. Some of the information I have posted. I am working hard at putting together a book soon, but I keep finding more information that I need to add.

    Remember to not believe all the postings on geni.com or geneanet as there are many mistakes in those postings.

    Thanks again,
    Rick A. Ricci

    Daniel,

    It appears your wife and I are relatives thru these lines. I descend from D. Bonifacio de Ochoa y Garibay thru my great grandmother Da. Victoria Sánchez de Aldana. I would love to compare notes if you are interested.

    Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

    Sent from my iPhone

    > On Mar 29, 2017, at 6:10 PM, "themexican@outlook.com" wrote:
    >
    > Thanks for the warm welcome Rick and everyone else. Glad to be here. Rick, I
    > did indeed view your most informative post and I shared it with my wife who
    > was amazed(and thankful) at how far back you were able to trace back that
    > lineage. On that branch my wife descends from Bonifacio de Ochoa-Garibay as
    > follows: Bonifacio de Ochoa-Garibay y Gutierrez de Robles cc Gertrudis de
    > Coria y Villasenor Leonardo Ambrocio de Ochoa-Garibay cc Josefa Jimenez y
    > Maciel Francisco Thomas de Ochoa cc Maria Josefa Mojica Jose Maria Ochoa cc
    > Maria Dolores Villanueva Maria Refugio Ochoa cc Ramon Gutierrez Jose Maria
    > Gutierrez cc Maria Soledad Castaneda My wife's paternal grandparents My
    > wife's parents My wife On the Valencia front, I'm intrigued to know that
    > there was a Valencia family in Ocotlan. I wasn't aware of it until now. I'm
    > always on the lookout for any Valencias in Jalisco to see if and how they are
    > related to other Valencias in Jalisco and Michoacan. If I run across any info
    > regarding Nicolas Valencia and Josepha Martinez in my searches, I'll let you
    > know. Thank You, Daniel Serna Valencia
    >

    .
    I have many Valencia and they are from Chilchota Michoacan and some from Cotija and my line moved to Jalisco. Also the Munguia line. My Gr-grandmother Maria Merced Munguia married to Longino Gutierrez. I have taken her back to Juan Carlos Munguia and Teresa Coria. I see you have them back one more generation. Can you share where you found that record? My files are on Rootsweb.com and my file name is Mexico.
    Linda Castanon-Long
    longsjourney@yahoo.com

    Daniel,

    i have people in fresnillo too but the records only go back so far. do you know where the records are before fresnillo's records are available in family search.

    Danny C. Alonso

    Hi Danny,

    Unfortunately, I don't. I've looked, but, haven't found any other sources of pre-familysearch fresnillo records, beyond dispensas. I'm looking for info related to my Vazquez del Mercado ancestors.

    Best,

    Daniel Serna Valencia

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