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Hi, Jonathan. I am researching the Los Altos de
Jalisco area and I am doing it from Los Angeles.

You think you can help?

Guillermo.

--- Jonathan Walker  wrote:

> Guillermo,
> 
> Out of curiousosity, what areas are you researching?
> And where are you
> doing, your research at?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> Experienced Mexico Researcher: www.mexicanfhr.com
> http://www.mexicanfhr.com/>  or mexicanfhr@...
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Thanks for the fast response. I have not tried the number 7 for 
office number. I will do soon. Also, I just need a copy for my 
records. How do I order that? And last, can you get birth certificate 
records of deceased family members (prior to 1900)?

Thank you, Guillermo.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan Walker"  
wrote:
> Did you try putting a "7" in the office number?  I looked at the 
instruction
> page, and they had a "7" in the office box.
> 
>  
> 
> Are you needing, a certified copy for your grandmother, or do you 
just need
> a copy for your record?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
>  
> 
> Experienced Mexico Researcher: www.mexicanfhr.com
> http://www.mexicanfhr.com/>  or mexicanfhr@p...
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: valhdez@y... [mailto:valhdez@y...] 
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:35 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Re: Jalisco Civil Register
> 
>  
> 
> Hi there. I checked this web site to order a

Hi Josephine, I have a question.

I noticed you requested baptismal certificate of a family member in 
Mexico (Zacatecas) and was wondering if you could tell me how to go 
about requesting them from the Catholic church.

Thank you in advance for your attention to my message.

Guillermo Valdez.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josephine Simons"  
wrote:
> Dear Ranchos members,
> I am a new, recently added member and if I have taken undue time to 
> introduce myself, please accept my apologies.  My family surnames 
are in 
> this order, Gonsalez, Garcia and great-grandmother's name 
Hernandez.  We 
> were from Zacatecas, near Jerez, and from long-standing oral 
history in my 
> family, my grandfather lived at La Hacienda de Trancoso, near 
Fresnillo.  I 
> have requested the baptismal certificate of my grandfather, Luis 
Gonsalez, 
> born in 1868, with record submitted to the catholic parish of La 
> Purificacion in Fresnillo.  My father told me that his grandmother,

Hi all, I just recently joined the group and I am researching for 
information on my mother's side ancestors. They are from Los Altos de 
Jalisco, some from ranchos and some from small towns.

The surnames I am researching are Hernández, Cervantes, Abarca and 
Valle (some other relatives are Placencia, Nuño, Nuñez and Sánchez). 
They are mostly from the area of San Jos de Gracia, Atotonilco el 
Alto, Ocotln, Arandas and the ranchos of Ortiguilla, Ojo de Agua de 
Latillas, La Muralla, Barranquilla and El Salvador.

My farthest I could get was to my great great grandfather Marcelino 
Valle, born in the mid-1800s and his 2 wives; Rita Hernández and 
Toribia Nuño (or Nuñez) (married again after Rita died). Also my 
great grandparents were Refugio Cervantes and Leonides Valle 
(Marcelino's daughter), and Bruno Hernández and Catalina (or 
Catarina?)Hernández; my grandparents were Félix Hernández (son of 
Bruno and Catalina) and Guadalupe Cervantes (daughter of Leonides).

Any help would be

Hi there. I checked this web site to order a certified copy of my 
Grandmother, but unfortunately you need to enter an office number, 
which I don't have a clue what this is. I couldn't go any further. 
Anyone knows how to bypass this?, since I have no information of 
any "office" that they are requesting. Any help would be greatly 
appreciated.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814"  
wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I recently learned that Jalisco has a website from which you can 
> order certified copies of civil records (birth, marriage and death) 
> via the Internet.  The website can be found at:
> 
> http://registrocivil.jalisco.gob.mx
> 
> You can pay with a credit card and they use a messenger service to 
> mail your records. 
> 
> Maria

welcome to the group. What larger towns are these places close to? thanks,

joseph

ps: look at some of the files and links for maps.

anitabrenner wrote:

Hi

My name is Anita and I am researching family members from Zacatecas.
I will post a file in the database with their names. Currently, I am
researching the the Amaro and Santos families from Carillo or
Adjuntas Del Refugio, Zacatecas, Mexico.

It's very nice to find this group!

Anita







Yahoo! Groups Links

Here are some pages from a book written in 1894

Geografia Y Estadistica De La Republica Mexicana Zacatecas De Alfonso
Luis Velasco

that give a lot of details of the Pinos area.


rosario ellis wrote:

Hello,

I am trying to find La Hacienda del Lobo in San Matias, Pinos,
Zacatecas. I have looked up the area map and cannot pinpoint where
this Hacienda could have been. Does anyone have an idea how to find
it? We tried using the Ranchos info Joseph Puentes has sent, but it
doesn't work.

can you be specific about this so I can look into it?

joseph

ps: do you think its possible that the Hacienda or Rancho could be
called Coyote or Coyotes rather than Lobos?

pps: this book covers all of Zacatecas. If anyone else wants some pages
of it put into the "files" area let me know and I'll eventually get to
it. . . .puede ser.

http://www.mla.org/resources/census_main

found by George Gause on the Scout Report.

Regarding your question about the hacienda - I recently learned while I was 
in Mexico digging up materials about the village from where my husband was 
born, that many haciendas/villages were given the opportunity to change their name 
after the Mexican revolution - and many did.  The rationale was that the 
"people" were empowered with their land, and so there was an effort to erase the 
autocracy which had existed under colonial rule and before the revolution. Some 
haciendas eventually became small villages, and retained a portion of their 
original name - 

On the other hand, as what happened to me in Monterrey, the hacienda's name 
actually became a "colonia" of the expanding city of Monterrey - I don't know 
how big Pinos, Zacatecas is......perhaps that can be explored....

I hope this helps....

 I believe there is a site that may have a list of some of those 
village/hacienda name changes, perhaps someone else on the board can recall....

If this looks familiar please contact: Joseph

Hi 

My name is Anita and I am researching family members from Zacatecas. 
I will post a file in the database with their names. Currently, I am 
researching the the Amaro and Santos families from Carillo or 
Adjuntas Del Refugio, Zacatecas, Mexico.

It's very nice to find this group!

Anita
 
 

If this looks familiar please contact: Joseph Puentes at makas@...
so I can put you in contact with the original poster:

Looking for any relatives or descendants of Manuel Puentes, from San
Juan del Mezquital, Zacatecas, who married Elodia Ortega Ramírez,
possibly born en San Miguel de (El Vergel) ?, Zacatecas.

They had the following children:

1. Ladislada Puentes-Ortega, DOB: abt. June 27, 1887, Rancho El Vergel,
Zacatecas;

2. Alejo (1) Puentes-Ortega;
3. Valeria Puentes-Ortega;
4. Victor Puentes-Ortega;
5. Antonia Puentes-Ortega;
6. Asención Puentes-Ortega;
7. Fabiana Puentes-Ortega; and
8. Ladislado Puentes-Ortega.

Ladislada ( my grandmother) said that all the Ramirez and the Herradas
from Jaralillo, Zacatecas were her cousins. Jaralillo is close to
Cañitas de Felipe Pescador and San Isidro and El Mezquite. Ladislada
married Jesus Zavala Aguilar (from El Mezquite) in El Tanque Aguilereño,
Coahuila.

Also looking for Elodia Ortega Ramirez, possibly born en San Miguel

if anyone happens to have this film and you are at your FHC sometime in
the next 3 months or so I'd appreciate a look up if possible:

ZENONA MARQUEZ VAZQUEZ  	
  	Female 	  	
	Birth:  	
23 JUN 1874   	
	Christening:  	
28 JUN 1874   	Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, 		
Parents:
  	Father:  	JUAN MARQUEZ 	Family
  	Mother:  	DONACIANA VAZQUEZ 	 			
Source Information:

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.:
Type:

	K604175  	1873 - 1875  	0221453   	Film  	NONE

thanks,

joseph

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Hi everyone, I've been looking for records at the Family History Center and
this keeps coming up.  I know there is a large city called Fresnillo, but on
the records I see, the place where my family is from during the 1860's is
called Fresnillo de Gonzalez Echeverria.  Is this the same place or is this
the name of the ranch.  On one record, a possible relative (Antonio
Gonsalez) was the parent of Pedro Gonsalez (my great grandfather) and he was
born on Rancho de los Gonsalez.  Does this sound familiar to anyone with
knowledge of the area?  I'm

Hi everyone, I've been looking for records at the Family History Center and
this keeps coming up. I know there is a large city called Fresnillo, but on
the records I see, the place where my family is from during the 1860's is
called Fresnillo de Gonzalez Echeverria. Is this the same place or is this
the name of the ranch. On one record, a possible relative (Antonio
Gonsalez) was the parent of Pedro Gonsalez (my great grandfather) and he was
born on Rancho de los Gonsalez. Does this sound familiar to anyone with
knowledge of the area? I'm trying to pinpoint some locales, because I know
for sure from repeated stories that one of my great grandfathers worked at
La Hacienda Trancoso. When I look at the Zacatecas maps, there seems to be
a couple of places that are near, like Fresnillo (the city), Trancoso (now a
town), and Villa Gonzales (but who knows if this was the later version of
Rancho de Gonsalez). Any of your thoughts or knowledge in these areas would
be very

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>Source:		University Of Wisconsin-Madison
>Date:		2004-06-16
>URL:		http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/06/040616062606.htm
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>Ancient Maps And Corn Help Track The Migrations Of Indigenous People
>
>MADISON- Maps are tools to show you where you 
>are going, but they can also show you where you 
>came from. That principle drives the work of 
>Roberto Rodríguez and Patrisia Gonzales, who 
>study ancient maps, oral traditions and the 
>movement of domesticated crops to learn more 
>about the origins of native people in the 
>Americas.
>
>"How do you bring memory back to a people that 
>were told not to remember?"

-----Original Message-----
From: sgapodaca
[mailto:sgapodaca@...]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 7:08
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re:
Cervantes DNA Surname Project

Hello Angel, I apologize
for not answering your emails right away. I
have been really busy now that
I came back from Mexico. Hey, this DNA
Cervantes project sounds
interesting. Tell me more about it. How much
does it cost to be part of
the project? I believe the expenses are
probably worth it if we are going
to know more about our ancestors.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com,
"Angel R. Cervantes"
wrote:
> I would
like to invite viewers of the Ranchos forum
> with the Cervantes surname
from