Nuestros Ranchos Site

Many of the name variations were due to the priest's entries.  I have 
read somewhere that French priests made many of the "mistakes" .

Maese, Maes  [ Some of the Maese families which stayed in the El 
Paso area after the Request keep the old spelling of Maes--accent 
on the letter e]

Guevara,  Marcelino, Nino Ladon de Guevara, Marzelino Ladron 
Guevara, Ladon de Guevara

Armijo, Armigo
Castillo, Alvarez del Castillo
Lucero, Lucero de Godoy
Rael, Rael de Aguilar
Olguin, Holguin
Javier, Xavier
Sanchez, Sanches  [ and other similar names ending in "z" ]
Baca, Vaca
Vallejo, Ballejo
Valencia, Balencia

* * * *
Gloria

has anyone ever seen the Mandonado variation for Maldonado? I have some
records where the names are used as variations of one another.

It might be a good project to one day start putting together a database
of the different variations of the more common surnames.

I'd also love to form a database with the various given names and
nicknames for these nicknames.

thanks,

joseph

Maldonado, Baldonado, Mandonado
Varela, Barela
Rodriguez, Rodrigues
Gomez, Gomes

Gonzales, Gonsales, Gonzalez, Gonsalez (i'm not sure I've seen this last
one)

Perez, Peres

ps: feel free to add to this list. . .

thanks Carol,



My apologies to the group. I should have made it clear that I was talking
about the Mexican Census. that book I referenced in my original message was
the 1940 Mexican Census. I am interested in finding out where I can find
the 1900, 1910, and 1920 Mexican Census' if they are in existence and/or
available to the general public.



sorry for the confusion,



joseph



Carol Turner wrote:

Joseph, I've
heard that Heritage Quest does this but before you purchase any CD's check
with your library for inter-library loan.  I know the Johnson County library
here in KS could get these through Heritage Quest.  I was looking into immigration
records/border registrations for El Paso and Eagle Pass, Texas but then found
out the National archives had what I needed so I didn't have to go through
the Public library.  There is a magazine called Heritage Quest, I'll check
in the back for their web-site, I'm always picking up Family Tree and several
other types of Gen. magazines.

Carol

J

Joseph, I've heard that Heritage Quest does this but before you purchase
any CD's check with your library for inter-library loan.  I know the
Johnson County library here in KS could get these through Heritage Quest. 
I was looking into immigration records/border registrations for El Paso
and Eagle Pass, Texas but then found out the National archives had what
I needed so I didn't have to go through the Public library.  There
is a magazine called Heritage Quest, I'll check in the back for their web-site,
I'm always picking up Family Tree and several other types of Gen. magazines.

Carol

Joseph Puentes wrote:

 is this for the Mexican Census? What years
are available and what is the

cost? What is their website address?

thanks,

joseph

SAGACorpus@... wrote:

>Joseph,

>I have used census records which I purchased from Heritage Quest
at a nominal

>price.  The retrieval time is excellent.  The graphics
are excellent

> and the price of the CD is minimal.  You can enjoy viewing
census records

No, these are not the Mexican Census records.  The only place I have seen 
census records for Mexico has been through LDS.  There is a book published by 
Lyman Platt that gave much information on where you could locate census records 
for Mexico.  It is probably listed in the Library Catalog in Salt Lake City.

I was referring to US Census records on CD.  Heritage Quest has done an 
excellent job and I have enjoyed tremendously what I purchased for counties in 
Texas.  I did notice today as I looked through what is available for Texas that 
immigration records found on microfilm are available on CDs.  Alien cards for 
those passing through Eagle Pass are on CD.  I am interested in those coming 
through Roma and Brownsville, but those were not included in their listing.

website address:  www.heritagequest.com/ 
Mira

 is this for the Mexican Census? What years are available and what is the 
 cost? What is their website address? >>

is this for the Mexican Census? What years are available and what is the
cost? What is their website address?

thanks,

joseph

SAGACorpus@... wrote:

Joseph,

I have used census records which I purchased from Heritage Quest at a nominal
price. The retrieval time is excellent. The graphics are excellent
and the price of the CD is minimal. You can enjoy viewing census records
without
worrying about microfilm or a reader. It is a great investment. I recommend
Heritage Quest's products as I have been very satisfied. I can save lots of
time traveling to and from the library and I can view records at home at any
hour.
Sincerely,

Mira Smithwick

does anyone have info on the availability of other 20th century census
other than the 1930 census that can be found in the LDS Family History
Library Catalog?

I found this book and was wondering if there is a 1900 and 1910 and 1920
Census someplace that we can somehow access? >>

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Joseph,
I have used census records which I purchased from Heritage Quest at a nominal 
price.  The retrieval time is excellent.  The graphics are excellent
 and the price of the CD is minimal.  You can enjoy viewing census records 
without 
worrying about microfilm or a reader.  It is a great investment.  I recommend 
Heritage Quest's products as I have been very satisfied.  I can save lots of 
time traveling to and from the library and I can view records at home at any 
hour.  
Sincerely,
Mira Smithwick
 does anyone have info on the availability of other 20th century census 
 other than the 1930 census that can be found in the LDS Family History 
 Library Catalog?
 
 I found this book and was wondering if there is a 1900 and 1910 and 1920 
 Census someplace that we can somehow access? >>

I haven't checked into the census, but I plan on searching the 1900 and 1910 census for Cameron County (Texas).  But try this link and see if it helps.



http://www.dallaslibrary.org





A. Garza

does anyone have info on the availability of other 20th century census
other than the 1930 census that can be found in the LDS Family History
Library Catalog?

I found this book and was wondering if there is a 1900 and 1910 and 1920
Census someplace that we can somehow access?

thanks,

joseph

ps:

Location Main library at University of Arizona, Tucson.
Call # HA762 .A5
Author Mexico. Dirección General de Estadística.
Title 6 censo de población, 1940.
LOCATION CALL NO. STATUS
 Main Oversize  HA762 .A5  Vol. 24    IN LIBRARY
 Main Oversize  HA762 .A5  v.31    IN LIBRARY
Other title Sexto censo de población, 1940.

Publisher [México] Secretaría de la economía nacional, Dirección general
de estadística, 1943-1948.

Subjects Mexico -- Census, 1940.

Contents [1] Aguascalientes. Baja California, territorios norte y
sur.--[2] Campeche.--[3] Chiapas.--[4] Chihuahua.--[5] Coahuila.--[6]
Colima.--[7] Distrito Federal.--[8] Durango.--[9] Guanajuato.--[10]
Guerrero.--[11] Hidalgo.--[12]

I just thought I would add my own 2 cents worth
here......If you are tracing any ancestors into the
States, keep in mind that "name switching" may in fact
be in play.  Custom in the U.S. is that Mario Sanchez
Garcia is in fact Mario Garcia.  I have seen this
numerous times.  In fact, I know of a common day
situation in which there is an individual named Jose
Chavez Munoz that came to the States and has had to
conform to this custom because some Authority figure
told him his name was Jose Munoz and not Jose Chavez. 
He was forced to marry under the name of Munoz because
that is what all his legal documents said his name
was.  His children are now Munoz - Not Chavez.

Joseph, as for the name Maldonado I have only seen it
spelled with "de" and with an "ñ".  Good luck!

     -Esther

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Wow, I did not realize this would be such a hot topic! 



Now as far as a husband adopting his wife's surname as his own, I have NEVER, ever seen this happen.  I all my time as a researcher, historian, and genealogist, since 1992, I have not seen this phenomenon. 



Now it may be the case where the children, even the males, like has been said adopt their mother's surname.  So the child of, for example, José Sánchez and María Pérez, Juan Sánchez Pérez, goes by Juan Pérez more than Juan Sánchez.  Thus Juan Pérez will marry and have children that become Pérez, thus abandoning their true paternal surname, Sánchez.  But what I've never seen happening is that José Sánchez would adopt his wife's surname, Pérez as his own.  That would be unheard of.



Traditionally, and this has been a long-standing tradition, women keep their own surname all their lives, even after marriage.  To continue using the previous fictitious couple, José Sánchez and María Pérez, had they lived 175-350 years ago, María

As I re-read what I wrote here... I realize what I said may not have 
been clear.  Therefore just to clarify....{once again}

What I meant by "the males in the family took the wife's surname", 
was that the male children took their mother's surname.  And, "the 
females took the husband's surname", was that the female children 
took their father's surname.

Hope this makes more sense...

Angie.

P.S.  Perhaps I need to get change for my two cents...

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> I read somewhere, {and I can't remember where, but I tried looking 
> for my source for this information}, that if the wife's family was 
of 
> a higher status or surname was 'better' {in using measurements 
during 
> that time period}, then the males in the family took the wife's 
> surname which would then pass to their children.  And the females 
> took the husband's surname which would get passed to their children 
> as the secondary surname.
> 
> In terms of

Just to clarify the example that I read...using your example...  The 
husband doesn't neccessarily have to take on the surname of his 
wife's father.  But in your example, you have a Carlos Garcia Mendez 
and a Carlita Garcia Mendez, two siblings.  Carlos gets married and 
has children and on his wedding records and his children's baptismal 
records he is referred to as Carlos Mendez, basically dropping the 
Garcia.  His children then become Jose Mendez Lopez, where Lopez is 
his wife's surname.  Carlita on the other hand, when she gets married 
and has children she is referred to as Carlita Garcia.  Her children 
are then Jose Lopez Garcia, where Lopez is her husband's surname.  So 
these two siblings end up having different surnames.

Thanks,
Angie.

P.S. Still looking for my source...

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Jose  Macias"  wrote:
> Angie;  Though I can see the logic of what you say you may have 
read, I have never seen this to be the case in taking the surname

Jose and Angie,
I seem to recall reading something about this subject.  It might have 
been in "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" by Mariano González-
Leal. Possibly the Franco de Paredes chapter.  I would have to concur 
with Angie's statements, unless my memory is failing me.  The case 
study was where the husband added his wife's surname to his own.  He 
might have been Franco and the wife was Paredes so the husband added 
Paredes to his own surname. The reason for the addition is just what 
Angie said: the wife's surname carried more prestige than the 
husband's.  Steven may be able to shed some light on this.  I believe 
he is contributing to the newest edition of Retoños.
One thing we should keep in mind when you say "traditionally the wife 
keeps her maiden name" is that traditions change over time and it all 
depends on what century you are debating.  There is a big difference 
in naming patterns in say 1580 and 1920.

Maria
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Jose  Macias"

thanks for your input.

aajay1073 wrote:

I read somewhere, {and I can't remember where, but I tried looking
for my source for this information},

one day when you unexpectedly come across it please do send it in to the
group, thanks.

that if the wife's family was of
a higher status or surname was 'better' {in using measurements during
that time period}, then the males in the family took the wife's
surname which would then pass to their children. And the females
took the husband's surname which would get passed to their children
as the secondary surname.

In terms of mispellings or spelling variations. Again, I read
somewhere, the person recording the name tended to be more educated
then the general people. Therefore, it would have been 'beneath' him
to ask how to spell a name to someone who was less educated them he.
The ability to read and write was not wide spread, but more than
likely even those people who did know how to write, were probably
still not asked

I read somewhere, {and I can't remember where, but I tried looking 
for my source for this information}, that if the wife's family was of 
a higher status or surname was 'better' {in using measurements during 
that time period}, then the males in the family took the wife's 
surname which would then pass to their children.  And the females 
took the husband's surname which would get passed to their children 
as the secondary surname.

In terms of mispellings or spelling variations.  Again, I read 
somewhere, the person recording the name tended to be more educated 
then the general people. Therefore, it would have been 'beneath' him 
to ask how to spell a name to someone who was less educated them he.  
The ability to read and write was not wide spread, but more than 
likely even those people who did know how to write, were probably 
still not asked the correct way to spell their name.

just me two cents...

Angie

Pacorro73@... wrote:

Notice that #6, Gerónima de Liébana was the namesake
of her mother, Gerónima de Liébana.



By the way the surname, Liébana, is a toponymic one.  Toponymic surnames
refer to some place, geographic entity or feature, city, town, or region. 
In this case, La Liébana a region in the Province of Cantabria, directly
north of Palencia and which surrounds the present day town of Potes, in Cantabria,
where this family came from originally.



Other toponymic surnames include, León, Avila, Palencia, Madrid, Sevilla,
Badajoz, Oñate, Ayala, Orozco, Trujillo, Zamora, Burgos, Códoba, Garnica,
Soria, etc, which are towns and cities in Spain.  Others include Peña (a
massive boulder), Río/Ríos (river/rivers), Barranca/Barranco (cliff), Vega
(flat lowland), Sierra (mountain range), Huerta (field), etc, etc.  But I
digress.

yes you did, but a wonderful digress-ion it was!!

Here's yet another example, of my own direct male
line, the source of my last name, which was once

Dear Ranchos Group:



Hello everyone.  In response to Joseph's quite valid question, or rather comment, of course I've seen both men and women use either part or all of their mother's surname, which could have also been her mother's surname.  This was far more common for women to do, by far, but there are cases where I've seen men do this also.



I just found a Juan Camarena in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, whose father was Antonio Rodríguez and his mother was Antonia Camarena.  Juan Camarena was married to Josepha Joaquina Tello de Orozco (aka Josefa Joaquina de Orozco) under the name "Juan Rodríguez," but proceeded to call himself Juan Camarena everytime he baptized a child.  By the time of his grandchildren, he was always refered to as Juan Camarena.  This complicated things because for the longest time I was looking for a Juan Camarena.  Boy was I surprised to find out he was really a Rodríguez!!  Who really knows why Juan decided to use his mother's name, but it might be some psychological

Have you all experienced individuals using their maternal grandmothers
name for some records?

I have two instances when in one case the man was named with a surname
that could only be explained if he was using his maternal grandmothers
last name. (note this one example was the only time I saw this for a
man). I also have a marriage record for a woman that was using her
maternal grandmothers last name.

Have you all seen this before? It is getting to be pretty common for me
to find records with individuals using their mothers name rather than
their fathers name but this use of the maternal grandmothers last name
has me questioning the records I'm looking at.

thanks,

joseph

Very nicely done. I saw some things here especially on the Military that
might very well help me later. Lot of good stuff. thanks so much I very
much appreciate your contribution to the group.

I'd like to make a proposal to the group. . .There are roughly 50 of us
now in the group. If each one of us were to contribute one such article
like Rosalinda's that is infopacked but to the point we'd have one
message per week to consider for the advancement of our genealogy.
Consider it a challenge. One time per year is not asking very much.

thanks Rosalinda,

joseph


rosa9972 wrote:

Hi group--

For those of you just beginning your genealogy research (or anyone
else interested in Mexican genealogy), I found some links from
www.familysearch.org that may be helpful. Look under the Files
section, in the Aah-ther Stuff file, under Familysearch Links.

I hope this helps.

Rosalinda



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