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Hello all!
 
I want to introduce myself to your group.  My name is Rosalinda Ruiz, 
and I've been working on my family tree for some time.  After 
interviewing my grandparents about their ancestors, I never really 
believed I would make any connections to more distant ancestors.  
Then I discovered three things in the period of six months last year 
(and this is truly inspirational for those who think discovering 
their family genealogy may never happen).  First, last April,  I 
visited www.rootsweb.com and typed in some family names.  I had done 
this periodically in the past, with no success.  However, I decided 
to try again, and I found a message that matched my BANUELOS family 
information!  The ancestor names and locations matched perfectly, so 
I emailed the person mentioned.  I found my second cousin once 
removed!  We shared information, and were finally able to meet last 
summer.  We also determined that we had met previously, in March of 
last year, when I took a group of

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> Prima,
> 
> where are all these new relatives from?

++ Ah... good question....I regenerated the reports and replaced the 
old files with new files, please look at them again.

> 
> please do tell if you know who the parents are of the following:
> 
> Maria Antonia Urena
> 

++ Maria Antonia Urena married Joseph Simon Emigdio Jara Godina on 19 
FEB 1800 in Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico.  Her parents are Antonio 
Urena and Juana Blasa Castellanos.

I also hava a Maria Antonia Urena married to Antonio Gregorio Concha 
Covarrubias on 18 MAY 1795, Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico.  She was 
previously married but I don't know the name of her other husband.  I 
don't know the names of her parents.

> also what was the name of the Castaneda mom of  Jose Antonio 
Quirino 
> Valdes Castaneda?
> 

++ The parents of Jose Antonio Quirino Valdez Castaneda are Miguel de 
Santiago Valdez Grano and Maria Eulogia Castaneda Castaneda.  The

Prima,

where are all these new relatives from?

please do tell if you know who the parents are of the following:

Maria Antonia Urena

also what was the name of the Castaneda mom of Jose Antonio Quirino
Valdes Castaneda?

Also all those Bedoy's. . .have you ever seen Bedoy as an alternate
spelling for Godoy? Or am I confusing it with something else?

Are any of them from Colotlan or Santa Maria de Los Angeles?

Joseph

Hello Group!

I just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Janet Valeria Iglesias 
and I live in Southern California. I have been tracing my Iglesias 
roots from Guachinango, Jalisco, Mexico.

Surnames in my search are: Iglesias, Robles, Rodriguez, Curiel, 
Dueñas, Lopez, Arechiga, Ramirez.

Ranchos in my search: Rancho Colorado, Tablillo, Ameca, . . .

Here goes a little synopsis of my family tree:

1. Juan Bautista Iglesias (abt. 1810) Married to Maria Antonia Lopez.
2. Francisco Iglesias (1840) married to Francisca Ramirez Arechiga
3. Francisco Iglesias (1869) married to Victoriana Robles (daughter 
of Cosme de Robles)
4. Juan Iglesias (1901) married to Francisca Rodriguez
5. Narciso Iglesias (1925) married to Irene Zambada
6. Victor Iglesias (1950) married to Rosa Fuentes
7. Me!!  (1980)

Please contact me if there are any matches.

Thank You!

Janet

Rosalinda,

I saw your Antonio Ponce descendants file.  I too am searching a 
family you had listed.  Jose Cayetano Grano and Efigenia de la Rosa 
De La Covarrubias are my Great(x6)-Grandparents!  I will include a 
file of the information that I have on that couple soon, so we can 
compare.  I also have information on Maria Ynes Godina and Jose 
Antonio Jara.  I am distintantly related to Maria Ynes Godina and 
that is why I have information on that family.  I guess I know find 
out that I am also related to Jose Antonio Jara.  I also have 
information on Maira Sixta Sanchez and Jose Rafael Jara.  I am 
distintantly related to Maria Sixta Sanchez, on my Sanchez Side.  
Didn't relize that I was also connected on the Jara side.

It would be great if we could share information.  Would it be 
possible for me to get information on your sources for the ancestors 
of Jose Cayetano Grano and Efigenia de la Rosa De La Covarrubias.  I 
think I am set on their descendants, but have no information

What Diocese is Nochistlan in? Is Guadalajara the correct Diocese or ?

thanks,

joseph

I was looking up to see what films were available for Nochistlan, Zacatecas
and came across the following:



Procesos matrimoniales 1676-1762 - 
VAULT INTL Film [ 226933 ]

Procesos matrimoniales 1763-1804 -  VAULT INTL Film [ 226934 ]



Now Matrimonios I know and Informacion Matrimonial I know, but Procesos Matrimoniales
I don't know.



So can someone in the know let me know what kind of info is found in these
records and how its different from the other two?



thanks,



joseph

Does anyone have this film? I'm going to eventually order it but thought
someone might have it now:

MARIA ANIZETA PUENTE RAMIRES

Female
Event(s):

Birth:
Christening:
20 APR 1829   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
 Father:  MARIANO PUENTE Family

Mother: GUADALUPE RAMIRES
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the
record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the
birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type:
C607127  1828 - 1833  0443814   Film  NONE

---------------

if you do I'm wanting to know if this is my Mariano Puente son of Justo
Puente.

thanks,

Joseph

Is there anyone in the group that can't find their area in one of the
maps or map links given in the "files" or "links" section of the group?

If you can't find it let me know the name of the city and its
approximate location and I'll look for it at Duke.

joseph

I just uploaded Arturo Romero's 12 Ancestoral files to the "files" section.

This is great Arturo. I haven't had a chance to thoroughly look through
them but hope to get to them soon...thanks!

Now this should be a great example to everyone. . .common everyone send
in your files and we'll really be able to see if our Genealogies cross
somewhere in Jalisco or Zacatecas.

Last time I counted there were 29 members of the group and these are the
folks that have sent in their genealogies:

Angie Godina
Arturo Romero
Evie Villegas
Joseph Puentes
Maria Cortez
Rich&Kitty Cortez

Now I know that a couple of you sent in your work via email (PLEASE
resend me your genealogy directly to: makas@...) so I can then
take the information and put it into the "Files" section. Also in the
future I'd like to keep the genealogies strictly in the "Files" section
so if you must put them in an email send them directly to me and I'll
upload them to that area. Don't forget the "message" archives

Yes the Informacion Matrimonial films can be wonderful sources of info.
Yes sometimes disappointing but more times wonderful. 3-5 pages of info
about the couple then the groom then the bride then usually three
Testigos, testaments from people who knew the couple saying they weren't
related. I saw a record from Huejucar that Kitty Cortez sent me that had
4 generations of genealogy inserted. Yes there might be some wonderful
surprises awaiting you in these records.

joseph


A G wrote:

Thanks for the info.

I will have to look into ordering the film,
'Información matrimonial'.  I already have the page
extract from 'Matrimonios'.

Thanks again.
Angie

Thanks for the info.

I will have to look into ordering the film,
'Información matrimonial'.  I already have the page
extract from 'Matrimonios'.

Thanks again.
Angie


--- Carol Turner  wrote:
> Hi Angie:
> 
> In my experience viewing matrimonios versus
> Informacion matrimonials,
> Informacion matrimonials are more detailed   They
> can sometimes be two
> to three pages and they are usually testimonies of
> how the bride and
> groom know each other, testimonies from other family
> members of how they
> know the bride/groom etc.  Usually these records are
> found a few months
> prior to the marriage possibly a month or two before
> the actual wedding
> takes place.  One time I actually lucked out on
> viewing this type of
> information in Michoacan records and they listed my
> maternal
> great-grandmother's genealogy family tree three
> generations going back
> which was wonderful.  On the matrimonios records I
> usually just find a
> few paragraphs giving basic information

Hi Angie:

In my experience viewing matrimonios versus Informacion matrimonials,
Informacion matrimonials are more detailed   They can sometimes
be two to three pages and they are usually testimonies of how the bride
and groom know each other, testimonies from other family members of how
they know the bride/groom etc.  Usually these records are found a
few months prior to the marriage possibly a month or two before the actual
wedding takes place.  One time I actually lucked out on viewing this
type of information in Michoacan records and they listed my maternal great-grandmother's
genealogy family tree three generations going back which was wonderful. 
On the matrimonios records I usually just find a few paragraphs giving
basic information on the marriage, date, padrinos etc., parents and sometimes
grandparents are listed if they are still living.

Hope this helps out!

Carol

aajay1073 wrote:

 Does anyone know.....

When I look up information for Mexico, Jalisco, Colotlan - Church

rec

Does anyone know.....

When I look up information for Mexico, Jalisco, Colotlan - Church 
records, it lists the film titles, dates, and number.  Does anyone 
know the difference between 'Información matrimonial' 
and 'Matrimonios'?  I am looking for information on a marriage that 
took place in 1881.  What information will I find in list (1) vs (2)?

(1) Información matrimonial 1880-1882 -  VAULT INTL Film [ 443732 ]
(2) Matrimonios 1875-1896 -  FHL INTL Film [ 443787 ]

Thanks,
Angie

Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico



Bautismos: 1776-1875



Batch No.:       Dates:            Source Call No.:

C600841          1776 - 1811    0443987 

J600842           1811 - 1829    0443988 

C600843          1829 - 1850    0443989

C600844          1850 - 1875    0443990



Matrimonios: 1776-1885



 Batch No.:       Dates:              Source Call No.:

 M600845          1776 - 1885      0444019 

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jalisco&id=I9429

this was too good to not send to the group. Then again does anyone know
if the boundarys of the various Estados might have been extended up to
the present day SW US?:

12. Maps of the Pimeria: Early Cartography of the Southwest
http://www.library.arizona.edu/pimeria/welcome.html

The Pimeria was a region (never defined with any exacting detail) of Spanish
colonial Mexico that encompassed what is now southern Arizona and northern
Sonora. Derived from the Pima Indians who live in the region, the name first
appeared on a map prepared in 1696. This online collection consists of over
thirty separate maps, ranging in date from 1556 to 1854. Each map features
detailed cataloging information, along with a brief profile of the
cartographer responsible for creating each document. A built-in viewer also
allows visitors to zoom in and out of each map, as well as adjust the pixel
size to their liking. The site is rounded out by a discussion of the methods
used to create the online exhibit

I posted a new link in the Links section.  I came across this Jalisco 
and Zacatecas Rootsweb family tree with over 5000 individuals.  It's 
very complete and detailed.

Maria

I'd love to send you a pile of names of my maternal grandmothers
relatives, but as I previously said I don't know which is any of the
Atotonilco's she came from and even which if any of these three names is
her real name: Adela Torres, Maria Garcia or Antonia Lopez.

I'll be spending some significant time looking through some US Census
records and will consider how to proceed with my guessing research in
the Atotonilco area.

thanks so much for your kind offer of help to the group, very generous.

Joseph

canprin wrote:

Dear Group--

I have early records and later records of all sorts for Atotonilco el
Alto. My husband's family was there for many generations. I have a
good index of over 11,000 names and various other files as
well. I go once a week to research and help others in the local
Family History Center. Usually I am the only one there because it is
such a small place. If you have names you would like me to look up,
send me as much information as possible.

I have been looking for Juan Florencio Villegas (early 1700's) who was born
in Ameca. Now I see that there exists an Ameca la Vieja. Could this
possibly have been the only Ameca during this time period? Evie

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Dear Group--

I have early records and later records of all sorts for Atotonilco el 
Alto.  My husband's family was there for many generations.  I have a 
good index of over 11,000 names and various other files as 
well.  I go once a week to research and help others in the local 
Family History Center.  Usually I am the only one there because it is 
such a small place.  If you have names you would like me to look up, 
send me as much information as possible.  I will do my best.  I like 
to help people and if I find something, I will research it to its 
conclusion.

When I first started, I looked at some file cards in the FHC and saw 
that one said Atotonilco el Filto.  My husband had told me that there 
was more than one Atotonilco and that I must only search for 
Atotonilcoe el Alto.  After awhile, I found that the Altotonilco el 
Filto was my Atotonilco el Alto but the person who had written the 
file card couldn't read the original Spanish.  I do know that 
Atotonilco el Bajo is not

I've removed one message from the archives that I thought had personal
information that shouldn't be made public. If any others of you would
like to have a select message here or there removed let me know directly:

makas@...

thanks,

joseph

Regarding pdf & rtf:  Yes, either pdf or rtf will work for you.  The 
point I was trying to make is that your genealogy software may not 
have the capability of generating one or the other format.  It sounds 
like your software FTM 10 can export to either format.  Everyone 
should be able to open an rtf file since it's just a text file.  With 
pdf you have to have the Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on your 
machine in order to view pdf files.  That shouldn't be a problem 
since the reader is free.  I cannot generate pdf files since I use 
PAF 5 and it doesn't export to pdf, only to rtf.

The only thing I can think of why our rtf files are different is the 
software used to generate them.  I don't it's anything that you did, 
but rather the software that you use to generate them.

Well, the strength of working as a group, is that we are all learning 
from one another.  The technical stuff is just my cup of tea, as I am 
a computer programmer.  


Maria

take a look at the groups home page: 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos 

for the New Description of the group. I've also opened the message
archives to the public. I want to keep our personal genealogies in the
files section and not in the email archive section. . .so please send
them to me so I can make a file for you and input them in the "files"
area. Only the message archive is open to the public and not the files
area. Also the public won't be able to post to or receive messages. .
.other than reading them once they arrive in the archives. 

joseph

Yes, I am also extremely thankful for the maps.  I have been searching for
maps that would include the ranches that my family descends from, and many
were listed on these maps.  El Aguila, Corral de Piedra, Santa Ana (which of
course is no longer a ranch, but a small town), San Isidro, La Labor, just
to name a few.  
Fortunately my folks remember many of them, but the maps are very helpful to
me.  My maternal grandfather (the geneologist who inspired me) was a
surveyor, and would often mention these ranches to my mother as he left in
the morning to measure land and create maps for many individuals in the
Jalostotitlan-San Juan de los Lagos area. I sure wish I could get my hands
on some copies of these maps.  Knowing which ranches family members lived on
really aids when looking at Baptismal microfilms.
Thanks again!  Irma

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From: canprin [mailto:canprin@...]
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Subject: [ranchos] My Contribution