I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week. I will be there for a whole week, but a large part of it will be consumed with wedding details of a close cousin of mine.
However, if there is something that someone wants for me to take down or bring back that will not be too cumbersome or troublesome I would be more than glad to oblige. I will be in Guadalajara and my grandparents' town of Villa Guerrero, Jalisco which is very close to Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.
Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas
Arturo
Have a great time....wish I were going! Be careful!
Mickey
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I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week. I will be there for a whole
week, but a large part of it will be consumed with wedding details of a close
cousin of mine.
However, if there is something that someone wants for me to take down or bring
back that will not be too cumbersome or troublesome I would be more than glad to
oblige. I will be in Guadalajara and my grandparents' town of Villa Guerrero,
Jalisco which is very close to Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.
Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas
Hola Arturo, Thank you for the offer. Let us know how the trip goes. Since my research has yielded nothing on my family, I'm thinking about going down to Zacatecas and Aguascalientes next summer. Due to the reported incidents in Mexico, friends and family don't think it's such a good idea. Be safe and have a great trip. AliceBBlake
--- arturo.ramos2@gmail.com wrote:
From: arturoramos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:00:48 -0800 (PST)
I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week. I will be there for a whole week, but a large part of it will be consumed with wedding details of a close cousin of mine.
However, if there is something that someone wants for me to take down or bring back that will not be too cumbersome or troublesome I would be more than glad to oblige. I will be in Guadalajara and my grandparents' town of Villa Guerrero, Jalisco which is very close to Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.
Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas - I drink the water in Mexico
Alice,
When I read email, I dont get it. Mexico is not Baghdad. Unless I misunderstand your concern for Arturo. Certainly there is issues in Oaxaca, but there is also issues in all of our American cities - with gang violence, road rage, poverty and mindless acts of violence (little girls assasinated in the quiet schoolhouse of the Quaker country).
One may say, the political upheaval in Oaxaca or the scuffles due to political passion in the Mexican congress is grave, but I say, these are localized conflicts motivated by politcal zeal. Mexico is full of very nice, hardworking, educated people, cultured, generous, hosptitable and safe people.
I am going to Zacatecas and Jalisco in January. I am not fearful, frightened or worried about my safety or that of all my family who lives in Mexico or who travel back and forth. I was just in Ensenada, where I introduced friends of mine to fine wineries and gourmet restauratns.
Gringolandia is not the only safe or civilized place in the world.
Enrique
AliceBB wrote:
Hola Arturo, Thank you for the offer. Let us know how the trip goes. Since my research has yielded nothing on my family, I'm thinking about going down to Zacatecas and Aguascalientes next summer. Due to the reported incidents in Mexico, friends and family don't think it's such a good idea. Be safe and have a great trip. AliceBBlake
--- arturo.ramos2@gmail.com wrote:
From: arturoramos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:00:48 -0800 (PST)
I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week. I will be there for a whole week, but a large part of it will be consumed with wedding details of a close cousin of mine.
However, if there is something that someone wants for me to take down or bring back that will not be too cumbersome or troublesome I would be more than glad to oblige. I will be in Guadalajara and my grandparents' town of Villa Guerrero, Jalisco which is very close to Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.
Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas - I drink the water in Mexico
The bulletin listed below was issued by the US Department of State. I, for one, do not plan on giving up my travels to see this beautiful country, and its peoples.
http://www.state.gov/
Safety
General information on personal safety abroad can be found in our brochure, A Safe Trip Abroad, on our home page at http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/safety/safety_1747.html.
Avoid demonstrations and other activities that might be deemed political by the Mexican authorities. The Mexican Constitution prohibits political activities by foreigners, and such actions may result in detention and/or deportation.
Exercise caution in traveling to the southern state of Chiapas. Armed rebels and armed civilian groups are present in some areas of the state, and there is often no effective law enforcement or police protection. Violent criminal gang activity along the States southern border mostly aimed at illegal migrants continues to be a concern. U.S. citizens traveling to Chiapas are encouraged to contact the U.S. Embassy for further security information prior to traveling to the region.
Sporadic outbursts of politically motivated violence occur from time to time in certain parts of the country, particularly in the southern states of Chiapas, Guerrero and Oaxaca.
Crime in Mexico continues at high levels, and it is often violent, especially in Mexico City, Tijuana, Ciudad Juarez, Nuevo Laredo, and the state of Sinaloa. Other metropolitan areas have lower, but still serious, levels of crime. Low apprehension and conviction rates of criminals contribute to the high crime rate. Travelers should leave valuables and irreplaceable items in a safe place, or leave them at home. All visitors are encouraged to make use of hotel safes when available, avoid wearing obviously expensive jewelry or designer clothing, and carry only the cash or credit cards that will be needed on each outing. There are a significant number of pick-pocketing incidents, purse snatchings and hotel-room thefts. Public transportation is a particularly popular place for pickpockets. Be vigilant in bus and train stations and on public transport. All U.S. citizen victims of crime in Mexico are encouraged to report incidents to the nearest police headquarters and to the
nearest U.S. consular office.
Visitors should be aware of their surroundings at all times, even when in areas generally considered safe. Women traveling alone are especially vulnerable and should exercise caution, particularly at night. Victims, who are almost always unaccompanied, have been raped, robbed of personal property, or abducted and then held while their credit cards were used at various businesses and Automatic Teller Machines (ATMs). Armed street crime is a serious problem in all of the major cities. Some bars and nightclubs, especially in resort cities such as Cancun, Cabo San Lucas, Mazatlan, and Acapulco, can be havens for drug dealers and petty criminals. Some establishments may contaminate or drug drinks to gain control over the patron.
U.S. citizens should be very cautious in general when using ATMs in Mexico. If an ATM must be used, it should be accessed only during the business day at large protected facilities (preferably inside commercial establishments, rather than at glass-enclosed, highly visible ATMs on streets). U.S. and Mexican citizens are sometimes accosted on the street and forced to withdraw money from their accounts using their ATM cards.
A number of Americans have been arrested for passing on counterfeit currency they had earlier received in change. If you receive what you believe to be a counterfeit bank note, bring it to the attention of Mexican law enforcement.
Kidnapping, including the kidnapping of non-Mexicans, continues at alarming rates. So-called "express" kidnappings, an attempt to get quick cash in exchange for the release of an individual, have occurred in almost all the large cities in Mexico and appear to target not only the wealthy, but also middle class persons. U.S. businesses with offices in Mexico or concerned U.S. citizens may contact the U.S. Embassy or any U.S. consulate to discuss precautions they should take.
Criminal assaults occur on highways throughout Mexico; travelers should exercise extreme caution at all times, avoid traveling at night, and may wish to use toll (cuota) roads rather than the less secure free (libre) roads whenever possible. In addition, U.S. citizens should not hitchhike with, accept rides from or offer rides to, strangers anywhere in Mexico. Tourists should not hike alone in backcountry areas, nor walk alone on lightly frequented beaches, ruins or trails.
All bus travel should be during daylight hours and on first-class conveyances. Although there have been several reports of bus hijackings and robberies on toll roads, buses on toll roads still have a markedly lower rate of incidents than buses (second and third class) that travel the less secure "free" highways. The Embassy advises caution when traveling by bus from Acapulco toward Ixtapa or Huatulco. Although the police have made some progress in bringing this problem under control, armed robberies of entire busloads of passengers still occur.
In some instances, Americans have become victims of harassment, mistreatment and extortion by Mexican law enforcement and other officials. Mexican authorities have cooperated in investigating such cases, but one must have the officer's name, badge number, and patrol car number to pursue a complaint effectively. Please note this information if you ever have a problem with police or other officials. In addition, tourists should be wary of persons representing themselves as police officers or other officials. When in doubt, ask for identification. Be aware that offering a bribe to a public official to avoid a ticket or other penalty is a crime in Mexico.
It is increasingly common for extortionists to call prospective victims on the telephone, often posing as police officers, and demand payments in return for the release of an arrested family member, or to forestall a kidnapping. These calls are often placed by prison inmates using smuggled mobile phones. Persons receiving such calls should be extremely skeptical; most such demands or threats are baseless. Persons receiving such calls should contact the U.S. Embassy or closest U.S. Consulate, or the Department of State, for assistance.
Crime in Mexico City
In Mexico City, the most frequently reported crimes involving tourists are taxi robbery (see below), armed robbery, pick-pocketing and purse-snatching. In several cases, tourists have reported that men in uniforms perpetrated the crime, stopping vehicles and seeking money, or assaulting and robbing tourists walking late at night. As in any large city, individuals should exercise caution and be aware of their surroundings, especially when walking anywhere in the city.
Business travelers should be aware that thefts occur even in what appear to be secure locations. Thefts of such items as briefcases and laptops occur frequently at the Benito Juarez International Airport and at business-class hotels. Arriving travelers who need to obtain pesos at the airport should use the exchange counters or ATMs in the arrival/departure gate area, where access is restricted, rather than changing money after passing through Customs, where they can be observed by criminals.
Metro (subway) robberies are frequent in Mexico City. If riding the Metro or on the city bus system, U.S. citizens should take extreme care with valuables and belongings. Avoid using Metro during busy commuting hours in the morning or afternoon. Tourists and residents alike should avoid driving alone at night anywhere in Mexico City.
Taxicab Crime
Robbery and assaults on passengers in taxis are frequent and violent in Mexico City, with passengers subjected to beatings, shootings and sexual assault. U.S. citizens visiting Mexico City should avoid taking any taxi not summoned by telephone or contacted in advance. When in need of a taxi, please telephone a radio taxi or "sitio" (regulated taxi stand pronounced "C-T-O"), and ask the dispatcher for the driver's name and the cab's license plate number. Ask the hotel concierge or other responsible individual calling on your behalf to write down the license plate number of the cab that you entered.
Passengers arriving at Mexico City's Benito Juarez International Airport should take only airport taxis (which are white with a yellow stripe and a black airplane symbol) after pre-paying the fare at one of the special booths inside the airport.
Crime in Border Cities
Visitors to the U.S. - Mexico border region, including the cities of Tijuana, Ciudad Juarez, Nuevo Laredo, Nogales, Reynosa and Matamoros, should remain alert and be aware of their surroundings at all times.
Drug-related violence has increased dramatically in recent months, and shows no sign of abating. While U.S. citizens not involved in criminal activities are generally not targeted, innocent bystanders are at risk from the increase in violence in the streets of border cities. In Ciudad Juarez, Nuevo Laredo and Tijuana, shootings have taken place at busy intersections and at popular restaurants during daylight hours. The wave of violence has been aimed primarily at members of drug trafficking organizations, criminal justice officials and journalists. However, foreign visitors and residents, including Americans, have been among the victims of homicides and kidnappings in the border region. In recent months, the worst violence has been centered in the city of Nuevo Laredo in the Mexican state of Tamaulipas, where more than 45 U.S. citizens were kidnapped and/or murdered between August 2004 and July 2005. U.S. citizens are urged to be especially aware of safety and
security concerns when visiting the border region and exercise common-sense precautions such as visiting only legitimate business and tourist areas of border towns during daylight hours.
Mexican authorities have failed to prosecute numerous crimes committed against American citizens, including murder and kidnapping. Local police forces suffer from a lack of funds and training, and the judicial system is weak, overworked, and inefficient. Criminals, armed with an impressive array of weapons, know there is little chance they will be caught and punished. In some cases, assailants have been wearing full or partial police uniforms and have used vehicles that resemble police vehicles, indicating some elements of the police might be involved.
Visitors are very vulnerable when visiting local "red light districts," particularly if they are departing alone in the early hours of the morning. In Ciudad Juarez and Tijuana, there has also been a rise in automobile accidents in which municipal police extort money from U.S. citizen victims.
Cancun and Other Resort Areas
Over 3 million Americans travel to Cancun and other Mexican beach resorts each year, including as many as 120,000 during "spring break" season, which normally begins in mid-February and runs about two months. Excessive alcohol consumption, especially by Americans under the legal U.S. drinking age, is a significant problem. The legal drinking age in Mexico is 18, but it is not uniformly enforced. Alcohol is implicated in the majority of arrests, violent crimes, accidents and deaths suffered by American tourists.
There have been a significant number of rapes reported in Cancun. Many of these have occurred at night or in the early morning. Attacks have also occurred on deserted beaches and in hotel rooms. Acquaintance rape is a serious problem. In other cases, hotel workers, taxi drivers, and even security personnel have been implicated. Anyone who is a victim of a sexual assault or other crime should report it immediately to the nearest U.S. consular office and should endeavor to make a report to Mexican authorities. Do not rely on hotel/restaurant/tour company management to make the report for you.
Under the best of circumstances, prosecution is very difficult (a fact some assailants appear to knowingly exploit), but no criminal investigation is possible without a formal complaint to Mexican authorities.
In recent years, moped rentals have become very widespread in Cancun and Cozumel, and the number of serious moped accidents has risen accordingly. Most operators carry no insurance and do not conduct safety checks. Some have been known to demand fees many times in excess of damages caused to the vehicles, even if renters have purchased insurance in advance. Vacationers at other beach resorts have encountered similar problems after accidents involving rented jet-skis.
There have been cases of mobs gathering to prevent tourists from departing the scene and to help intimidate them into paying exorbitant damage claims
enrique legaspi wrote: Alice,
When I read email, I dont get it. Mexico is not Baghdad. Unless I misunderstand your concern for Arturo. Certainly there is issues in Oaxaca, but there is also issues in all of our American cities - with gang violence, road rage, poverty and mindless acts of violence (little girls assasinated in the quiet schoolhouse of the Quaker country).
One may say, the political upheaval in Oaxaca or the scuffles due to political passion in the Mexican congress is grave, but I say, these are localized conflicts motivated by politcal zeal. Mexico is full of very nice, hardworking, educated people, cultured, generous, hosptitable and safe people.
I am going to Zacatecas and Jalisco in January. I am not fearful, frightened or worried about my safety or that of all my family who lives in Mexico or who travel back and forth. I was just in Ensenada, where I introduced friends of mine to fine wineries and gourmet restauratns.
Gringolandia is not the only safe or civilized place in the world.
Enrique
AliceBB wrote:
Hola Arturo, Thank you for the offer. Let us know how the trip goes. Since my research has yielded nothing on my family, I'm thinking about going down to Zacatecas and Aguascalientes next summer. Due to the reported incidents in Mexico, friends and family don't think it's such a good idea. Be safe and have a great trip. AliceBBlake
--- arturo.ramos2@gmail.com wrote:
From: arturoramos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:00:48 -0800 (PST)
I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week. I will be there for a whole week, but a large part of it will be consumed with wedding details of a close cousin of mine.
However, if there is something that someone wants for me to take down or bring back that will not be too cumbersome or troublesome I would be more than glad to oblige. I will be in Guadalajara and my grandparents' town of Villa Guerrero, Jalisco which is very close to Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.
Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas/El Chato
Hello! Thank you for you offer, I need nothing. But jus in case, about a year ago I needed certain birth certificate, been in Guadalajara I placed my order but was told it wasn´t still digitalized so that I had to go in the municipio it belonged. So I couldn´t get it, I had a ticket for a plane to take me back later the same day. Took a taxi cab and told such story to the driver. He said he knew a lot of cases of that nature and advised me about "El Chato" who is a man that works in the Registro Civil, the offices located in La Normal zone in Guadalajara, Jal., he is in charge of maintenance, wears a blue, long shirt, and for a nice and reasonable tip can get a copy of any record. Hope he is there nowadays.
arturoramos escribió:
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Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas
Sr. Arturo:
Mi nombre es Fernando Pérez y estoy investigando sobre los apellidos de mi familia, es probable que yo también haga el viaje a Jalisco, pero a un pueblo que se llama Cuquio, nunca he estado en la presidencia municipal de el pueblito de mis abuelos, y no se como se manejen las cosas para consultar o pedir copias de los documentos como actas de nacimiento o de matrimonio, ¿Me podría dar algunos consejos para que en caso de que esté por aquel lugar pueda accesar a los mencionados documentos?.
De antemano le agradezco su ayuda.
Leticia:
Ayer estuve en el Family History Center, y ya ordené unos films, pero me dí cuenta que que solamente tienen información de una de las iglesias del pueblo y falta información de la otra, por lo que la persona que está ahí asesorando me aconsejó que buscara en la Diócesis a la que pertenecia en este tiempo las iglesias de Cuquío, así que ahora estoy investigando a ver como estaba la organizada la estructura de la iglesia en Jalisco entre los años de 1845 al 1920, porque a partir de 1921 paso a pertenecer a la Arquidiócesis de Guadalajara.
Saludos
Fernando Pérez
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From: arturoramos
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Sent: Friday, December 1, 2006 1:00:48 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas
I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week. I will be there for a whole week, but a large part of it will be consumed with wedding details of a close cousin of mine.
However, if there is something that someone wants for me to take down or bring back that will not be too cumbersome or troublesome I would be more than glad to oblige. I will be in Guadalajara and my grandparents' town of Villa Guerrero, Jalisco which is very close to Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.
Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas
Hola! El registro civil en México comenzó en 1800, si mal no sé; en tu buscador de la web escribe cuquio, jalisco y tal vez se abra una página con la historia de Cuquío, tal vez indique la pertenencia de Cuquío por épocas. Suerte. Así descubrí que Jesús Maria, Jalisco, por ejemplo pertenecía a Ayotlan en el siglo XVIII, cuando en ciertos años no encontré registros se me ocurrió buscar de la forma que te digo y escribí en mi buscador jesus maria, jalisco y ahí estaba la historia.
Fernando Perez escribió: Sr. Arturo:
Mi nombre es Fernando Pérez y estoy investigando sobre los apellidos de mi familia, es probable que yo también haga el viaje a Jalisco, pero a un pueblo que se llama Cuquio, nunca he estado en la presidencia municipal de el pueblito de mis abuelos, y no se como se manejen las cosas para consultar o pedir copias de los documentos como actas de nacimiento o de matrimonio, ¿Me podría dar algunos consejos para que en caso de que esté por aquel lugar pueda accesar a los mencionados documentos?.
De antemano le agradezco su ayuda.
Leticia:
Ayer estuve en el Family History Center, y ya ordené unos films, pero me dí cuenta que que solamente tienen información de una de las iglesias del pueblo y falta información de la otra, por lo que la persona que está ahí asesorando me aconsejó que buscara en la Diócesis a la que pertenecia en este tiempo las iglesias de Cuquío, así que ahora estoy investigando a ver como estaba la organizada la estructura de la iglesia en Jalisco entre los años de 1845 al 1920, porque a partir de 1921 paso a pertenecer a la Arquidiócesis de Guadalajara.
Saludos
Fernando Pérez
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From: arturoramos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2006 1:00:48 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas
I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week. I will be there for a whole week, but a large part of it will be consumed with wedding details of a close cousin of mine.
However, if there is something that someone wants for me to take down or bring back that will not be too cumbersome or troublesome I would be more than glad to oblige. I will be in Guadalajara and my grandparents' town of Villa Guerrero, Jalisco which is very close to Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.