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I'm new to this, and I need help connecting my GGG grandfather José de los Santos Romo de Vivar (b.1807) to what seems to be the original location of most of the Romo de Vivar family in the region of Aguascalientes. I have discovered through family records and FamilySearch transcribed christening records a lineage that takes me back to Bernabe ROMO, listed on a baptismal certificate as the father of Gregorio ROMO (b. abt 1780) of Encarnación (de Díaz), Jalisco. But I am having trouble pinning him down. I have found a Bernave ROMO DE VIVAR who married Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco--and those are the names of my ancestor's parents. But the trail goes cold in Tepatitlán, because I can't find out any more about Bernabe (Bernave) ROMO DE VIVAR, even though I am pretty sure that is his correct name.

I have found an IGI record of a man called Bernabe ROMO-DE-VIVAR who was born in 1740 in Rincon de Romos, in the state of Aguascalientes. The only thing that makes him a good candidate is that he was born at the right time, about 20 years before the marriage of Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761--in Tepatitlán, which is pretty far away from Aguascalientes. And to make things worse, there is an IGI listing for a man with exactly the same name who was born 20 years earlier in Rincon de Romos, which is even farther away from Tepatitlán.

How confusing!

I need help finding the right Bernabe (Bernave) Romo de Vivar and getting back on the trail!

Hi Karr Wolfe...does any of this help or look familar? Let me know...phyls

Descendants of Juan Romo De Vivar Y Rangel

Generation No. 1

1. JUAN ROMO DE VIVAR Y1 RANGEL died December 08, 1691. He married MARIA TISCARENO DE MOLINA Y RUIS DE ESPARZA May 05, 1658 in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain, daughter of LUIS MARQUEZ and LORENZA DE ESPARZA. She was born March 13, 1633/34 in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain.

Children of JUAN RANGEL and MARIA DE ESPARZA are:

2. i. JUANA TERESA ROMO DE VIVAR2 TISCARENO, b. 1662, Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain; d. December 24, 1694.

3. ii. ANDRES ROMO DE VIVAR TISCARENO, b. Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain.

Generation No. 2

2. JUANA TERESA ROMO DE VIVAR2 TISCARENO (JUAN ROMO DE VIVAR Y1 RANGEL) was born 1662 in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain, and died December 24, 1694. She married JOSEPH DE LA ESCALERA Y VALDEZ September 10, 1679 in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain.

Children of JUANA TISCARENO and JOSEPH VALDEZ are:

4. i. JOSEPH DE LA ESCALERA3 ROMO, b. July 04, 1684, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

ii. MARIANA ESCALERA ROMO, b. May 27, 1687, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico; m. DIEGO IGNACIO CARRASCO, February 20, 1707/08, Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, Mexico; b. Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

3. ANDRES ROMO DE VIVAR2 TISCARENO (JUAN ROMO DE VIVAR Y1 RANGEL) was born in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain. He married MARIA LOPEZ DE ELIZALDE October 12, 1694 in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, Mexico. She was born in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

Children of ANDRES TISCARENO and MARIA DE ELIZALDE are:

i. JOSE MANUEL ROMO3 DE VIVAR, b. 1702, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

ii. JOSE MIGUEL ROMO DE VIVAR, b. Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

Generation No. 3

4. JOSEPH DE LA ESCALERA3 ROMO (JUANA TERESA ROMO DE VIVAR2 TISCARENO, JUAN ROMO DE VIVAR Y1 RANGEL) was born July 04, 1684 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. He married MARIA TOMASA DE LUREA 1732 in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, Mexico.

Children of JOSEPH ROMO and MARIA DE LUREA are:

i. JOSE FELIPE4 ESCALERA-LUREA., m. MARIA-GUADALUPE DE LEON, May 06, 1773, San Carlos, Vallecillo, Nuevo Leon, Mexico.

ii. JOSEPH VICENTE ESCALERA LUREA, b. Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico; m. ROSALIA-EMEREMCIANA DE LOS SANTOS ROMO, February 08, 1775, Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, Mexico; b. Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

iii. JOSEPH-ANTONIO ESCALERA-LUREA, b. Ricon de Ramos, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

iv. MARIA GERTRUDIA ESCALERA LUREA.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karr Wolfe"
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Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco andAguascalientes

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> I'm new to this, and I need help connecting my GGG grandfather José de los Santos Romo de Vivar (b.1807) to what seems to be the original location of most of the Romo de Vivar family in the region of Aguascalientes. I have discovered through family records and FamilySearch transcribed christening records a lineage that takes me back to Bernabe ROMO, listed on a baptismal certificate as the father of Gregorio ROMO (b. abt 1780) of Encarnación (de Díaz), Jalisco. But I am having trouble pinning him down. I have found a Bernave ROMO DE VIVAR who married Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco--and those are the names of my ancestor's parents. But the trail goes cold in Tepatitlán, because I can't find out any more about Bernabe (Bernave) ROMO DE VIVAR, even though I am pretty sure that is his correct name.
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> I have found an IGI record of a man called Bernabe ROMO-DE-VIVAR who was born in 1740 in Rincon de Romos, in the state of Aguascalientes. The only thing that makes him a good candidate is that he was born at the right time, about 20 years before the marriage of Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761--in Tepatitlán, which is pretty far away from Aguascalientes. And to make things worse, there is an IGI listing for a man with exactly the same name who was born 20 years earlier in Rincon de Romos, which is even farther away from Tepatitlán.
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> How confusing!
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> I need help finding the right Bernabe (Bernave) Romo de Vivar and getting back on the trail!

Hi Phylys,

I guess we're closely related. Are you a descendant of Joseph de la Escalera y Valdés and Juana Theresa Romo de Vivar y Tiscareño? They are my 7th great-grandparents. My line links with Lope Ruiz de Esparza and Francisca Gabai de Moctezuma through their daughter Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza and Luis Tiscareño de Molina. My line starts with my mother María Teresa Strecker Cabral and her father (my grandfather) Guillermo Strecker Frías, the son of Wilhelm Ludwig Strecker Kern (a german-american engineer from Pennsylvania) and Josepha Frías Esparza, born in Rincón de Romos in 1848. Her mother Refugio Ruiz de Esparza was born in the same town in 1818, but prior generations were all born and raised in Aguascalientes. I believe my g3-grandfather Francisco Ruiz de Esparza Trillo y Delgado probably moved to Rincón the Romos when he married my g3-grandmother María Gertrudis Escobedo y Escalera. She lived in Rancho de los Escaleras, not too far from Rincón de Romos. Anyway, my other two lines connecting to Lope Ruiz de Esparza are through 1) his son Bernardo and 2) his daughter María. They can be checked at nuestrosranchos.org.

Incidentally, I recently found the appointment of Joseph de la Escalera y Valdez as Mayor of Aguascalientes at the AHEJ. I have not transcribed it yet, but here is some info. for your database:

"Joseph de la Escalera y Valdez fue nombrado Alcalde Mayor de la Villa de Aguascalientes el 8 de junio de 1678 en la ciudad de Guadalajara, por un período de dos años. Un año mas tarde, el 10 de septiembre de 1679, Joseph de la Escalera contrajo matrimonio con Teresa Romo de Vivar y Tiscareño en la capilla de la Hacienda de San Bartolomé, propiedad de Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza, viuda de Luis Tiscareño de Molina y abuela de la pretensa."

Link through Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza and Luis Tiscareño

· 10th great-grandparents: Lope Ruiz de Esparza & Anna Francisca Gabai de Moctezuma

· 9th great-grandparents: Luis Tiscareño-de-Molina & Lorenza Ruiz-de-Esparza

· 8th great-grandparents: Juan Romo-de-Vivar & María Tiscareño Ruiz-de-Esparza

· 7th great-grandparents: Joseph de la Escalera y Valdés & Juana Theresa Romo Tiscareño

· 6th great-grandparents: Juan de la Escalera Romo & Nicolasa (or Catharina) Hernández

· 5th great-grandparents: Juan Cipriano de la Escalera & María Antonia Martínez-de-Sotomayor

· 4rd great-grandparents: José Manuel Escobedo Guevara & María Antonia Escalera Martínez

· 3rd great-grandparents: Francisco Ruiz-de-Esparza & María Gertrudis Escobedo y Escalera

· 2nd great-grandparents: José Antonio Frías & Refugio Ruiz-de-Esparza

· My great-grandparents: Wilhelm L. Strecker and Josepha Frías Ruiz-de-Esparza

· My grandparents : Guillermo Strecker Frías & María Cabral de la Cerda

Saludos,
Bill Figueroa

PS My full name is Guillermo Figueroa Strecker. Bill is a nickname given to me when I came to the U.S.A. I use it here because it's easier to pronounce for non-hispanics.

Guess we are family :-)

I had the same issue with Bernabe!

It is very common to have records from great distances this way. There was a lot of movement during that time as a lot of families were still settling. Ill email you more info abt Bernabe tonight.

Saludos!!

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Karr Wolfe

Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:28:46
To:general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco and
Aguascalientes

I'm new to this, and I need help connecting my GGG grandfather José de los Santos Romo de Vivar (b.1807) to what seems to be the original location of most of the Romo de Vivar family in the region of Aguascalientes. I have discovered through family records and FamilySearch transcribed christening records a lineage that takes me back to Bernabe ROMO, listed on a baptismal certificate as the father of Gregorio ROMO (b. abt 1780) of Encarnación (de Díaz), Jalisco. But I am having trouble pinning him down. I have found a Bernave ROMO DE VIVAR who married Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco--and those are the names of my ancestor's parents. But the trail goes cold in Tepatitlán, because I can't find out any more about Bernabe (Bernave) ROMO DE VIVAR, even though I am pretty sure that is his correct name.

I have found an IGI record of a man called Bernabe ROMO-DE-VIVAR who was born in 1740 in Rincon de Romos, in the state of Aguascalientes. The only thing that makes him a good candidate is that he was born at the right time, about 20 years before the marriage of Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761--in Tepatitlán, which is pretty far away from Aguascalientes. And to make things worse, there is an IGI listing for a man with exactly the same name who was born 20 years earlier in Rincon de Romos, which is even farther away from Tepatitlán.

How confusing!

I need help finding the right Bernabe (Bernave) Romo de Vivar and getting back on the trail!

Hello cousin! Thanks for the prompt response. I've been out of town and unable to follow up, and I'm sure most everyone has been as busy as I during the holiday season. Would you have the time to send me some more information about Bernabe Romo who married Anna Gertrudis Franco in Tepatitlán?

Karr Wolfe

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Guess we are family :-)

I had the same issue with Bernabe!

It is very common to have records from great distances this way. There was a lot of movement during that time as a lot of families were still settling. Ill email you more info abt Bernabe tonight.

Saludos!!

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Karr Wolfe

Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:28:46
To:general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco and
Aguascalientes

I'm new to this, and I need help connecting my GGG grandfather Jos� de los Santos Romo de Vivar (b.1807) to what seems to be the original location of most of the Romo de Vivar family in the region of Aguascalientes. I have discovered through family records and FamilySearch transcribed christening records a lineage that takes me back to Bernabe ROMO, listed on a baptismal certificate as the father of Gregorio ROMO (b. abt 1780) of Encarnaci�n (de D�az), Jalisco. But I am having trouble pinning him down. I have found a Bernave ROMO DE VIVAR who married Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761 in Tepatitl�n, Jalisco--and those are the names of my ancestor's parents. But the trail goes cold in Tepatitl�n, because I can't find out any more about Bernabe (Bernave) ROMO DE VIVAR, even though I am pretty sure that is his correct name.

I have found an IGI record of a man called Bernabe ROMO-DE-VIVAR who was born in 1740 in Rincon de Romos, in the state of Aguascalientes. The only thing that makes him a good candidate is that he was born at the right time, about 20 years before the marriage of Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761--in Tepatitl�n, which is pretty far away from Aguascalientes. And to make things worse, there is an IGI listing for a man with exactly the same name who was born 20 years earlier in Rincon de Romos, which is even farther away from Tepatitl�n.

How confusing!

I need help finding the right Bernabe (Bernave) Romo de Vivar and getting back on the trail!

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