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Veronica,

Have any of your searches led you to Nochistlan? Many families began in
Nochistlan Zacatecas and moved out to surrounding areas. Teocaltiche,
Mexticacan, Yahualica, Cuquio, Tepatitlan and Jalostitlan are some of
Jalisco's surrounding/neighboring towns.
Some surrounding towns from outside of Jalisco and within Zacatecas are
Jalpa, Huanusco, Tepusco, Apulco and Villanueva among others. Keep
these in mind when doing your research, know the geographical area.

See below from WIKIPEDIA, and while there are some discrepancies, for the most part this was one of the first official Spanish settlements in the three states, Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Zacatecas.

Nochistlán is a town in the Mexican state of Zacatecas. Nuño Beltrán de Guzmán, on December 3, 1531, hired Juan de Oñate to establish a village in Nochistlán; the village would be named Guadalajara to honor Guzmán for having been born in Guadalajara. Guadalajara was founded in Nochistlán on January 5,
having as officials Juan de Oñate, Sancho Ortíz de Zuñiga and Miguel
Ibarra. They worked at this project for only 16 months and created the
first layout of Guadalajara.
The first news that we have regarding the natives of these lands points to the Tecuexes.
These people established settlements around 1000 A.D. Later in the 12th
century a new group of people moved in, these people were called Caxcan and they were from the valley in Tuitlán, which is now found in the municipality of Villa Nueva Zacatecas. The Caxcan established Nochistlán by driving out the Tecuexe by force.

Hope this helps,
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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From: Veronica Rahorn
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 5:06:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Teocaltiche,Jalisco

Sylvia,
I don't know if anyone has responded to you, but I am very interested in
hooking up with other people who are descendents from the Teocaltiche
region. I have traced my history back to 1805 to Teocaltiche, but family
records are few. I think it's because my family was new to Teocaltiche
around this time frame. I need to order more films to see if I can get any
clues as to where they came from. I would be really interested in migration
patterns to Teocaltiche.

m

I haven't checked any other areas besides Teocaltiche. I still have a lot of
film to look through and, hopefully (with my fingers crossed), I'll find a
link. If not, I truly appreciate your advise below.

Thanks so much,
V-

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To:
Sent: 04 January, 2009 11:20
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Teocaltiche,Jalisco and surrounding areas.

> Veronica,
>
> Have any of your searches led you to Nochistlan? Many families began in
> Nochistlan Zacatecas and moved out to surrounding areas. Teocaltiche,
> Mexticacan, Yahualica, Cuquio, Tepatitlan and Jalostitlan are some of
> Jalisco's surrounding/neighboring towns.
> Some surrounding towns from outside of Jalisco and within Zacatecas are
> Jalpa, Huanusco, Tepusco, Apulco and Villanueva among others. Keep
> these in mind when doing your research, know the geographical area.
>
> See below from WIKIPEDIA, and while there are some discrepancies, for the
> most part this was one of the first official Spanish settlements in the
> three states, Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Zacatecas.
>
>
> Nochistlán is a town in the Mexican state of Zacatecas. Nuño Beltrán de
> Guzmán, on December 3, 1531, hired Juan de Oñate to establish a village in
> Nochistlán; the village would be named Guadalajara to honor Guzmán for
> having been born in Guadalajara. Guadalajara was founded in Nochistlán on
> January 5,
> having as officials Juan de Oñate, Sancho Ortíz de Zuñiga and Miguel
> Ibarra. They worked at this project for only 16 months and created the
> first layout of Guadalajara.
> The first news that we have regarding the natives of these lands points to
> the Tecuexes.
> These people established settlements around 1000 A.D. Later in the 12th
> century a new group of people moved in, these people were called Caxcan
> and they were from the valley in Tuitlán, which is now found in the
> municipality of Villa Nueva Zacatecas. The Caxcan established Nochistlán
> by driving out the Tecuexe by force.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Veronica Rahorn
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 5:06:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Teocaltiche,Jalisco
>
> Sylvia,
> I don't know if anyone has responded to you, but I am very interested in
> hooking up with other people who are descendents from the Teocaltiche
> region. I have traced my history back to 1805 to Teocaltiche, but family
> records are few. I think it's because my family was new to Teocaltiche
> around this time frame. I need to order more films to see if I can get any
> clues as to where they came from. I would be really interested in
> migration
> patterns to Teocaltiche.
>
> m

Hi everyone!

On-site Film:

I have been using the on line portal for LDS records on line. I do not have any guidance from the site, are there any user tips and guidelines? I have noticed I can sometimes find a name, but it will not come up on other attempts...is there a reason. Are the LDS files different? The pilot is a great tool.

Teocaltiche/Talpa De Allende
My primary research in this area has been the Rodriguez surname. I have been unable to find records beyond my paternal paternal great-grandparents: Mauro Rodriguez( Maria Nieves Velasco).

I have found all of my paternal great-uncles, but not my aunt Ysabel Rodriguez.

I have found the Velasco's in Talpa De Allende and was able to get back to the 1770's. I can hardly wait to visit this beautiful area. I have tried Nochistlan will zero hits. Do I need to try every jurisdiction nearby?

Sierra De Pinos, Zacatecas

My family were Aguilar's. They had one of the Haciendas in town. My grandmother who left as a child of 8 or 10 believed the name to be after the patron saint Santo Nino De Atocha, but I found a book naming the Haciendas and do no see that name. Yet during a visit in 1997 I was shown the hacienda(ruins) by the mayor and the map of the ranchos and was told since our ancestral home was in the municipality, all records would note Pinos as opposed to someone born in the Rancho Lobos. The Aguilar name goes as far back to the 1600's in this town. I have from actual microfilms I read locally and in Salt Lake City of my great grandfather and great-great grandfather, and yet these do not come up on the LDS on line search. I also have notarized documents I paid for my the local notary and town historian, Ricardo Acosta.

Why, I do not understand the idiosyncrasies.

Hijo Natural
My great grandmother's birth entry states:" hijo natural, legitimo de Espiridion Aguilar, commerciate mayor." We knew my ggrandmother was Indian and he stole her from her people and my g-grandmother had insisted on a marriage when she was of age, but this birth entry is contradictory.

Search Names: Rodriguez, Velasco, Hernandez, Cubillos, Mares, Aguilar.

Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

I too am doing research in Teocaltiche and the surrounding area (Rio Chico
hacienda, Jalostotitlan, Tepatitlan). Thus far I have documented my
ancestors back to Juana Maria Lozano Dias, born 17 Sep 1752 to Juan Miguel
Lozano and Lorenza Diaz. The baptismal record is from Nuestra Senora de Los
Dolores, Teocaltiche. I have been unable to locate records for Juan Miguel
Lozano, to confirm his baptism, marriage to Lorenza Diaz and his death.
This has been my brick wall. I would be happy to collaborate with anyone
and everyone doing similar research in this area. Thanking everyone in
advance.

Bob Lozano

I am so pleased with the response and research tips. I will look at Nochistlan and other locals mentioned to continue my search. Someone mentioned similar points and I found a hit in San Juan De Los Lagos.
Some family members had wifes from Nochistlan surnamed Rosas and Luna. They all immigrated to the US about 1917. The families first settled in Peachsprings, Arizona and then permanently in Needles, CA. Ofcourse over time the first generation has passed away and most descendants now live in other parts of California, Nevada and Arizona and Washington state.
Thank you all so much, this is so much fun!

Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

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