Hi Abram:

I'm 17 years old, I think that you're, like Daniel and me, one of the youngest of these group. I've been doing the genealogical research for about 3 years, but my interest in my family tree has been since many time before. I'm in high school, and I think Genealogy has affected a little bit my grades because sometimes instead of studying or doing my homework, I search for my ancestors haha but at the end I can manage to have everything done. I've been scheduling better my time, because besides school, I like going out a lot, doing sports and learning new things, so I need time for everything and Genealogy is one of my priorities. Is good to have people like our age investigating their ancestry, because now that we're young, many of us still have their grandparents, granduncles and sometimes greatgrandparents that with their oral information can provide us with valuable family facts.
I invite you to continue this great journey.

Enrique Agraz

I found the baptism date of a child of Felipe Garcia and Timotea Ulloa
meaning this is a sibling of Pablo Garcia. This should give you the parents
of Felipe Garcia and of Timotea Ulloa who would be the paternal
ggrandparents of your grandmother. Navigate film 226689 in a systematic
manner, as I have described in a previous post, looking for the baptism
date of 31 Jul 1898
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N8QG-N6T

In order to get the maternal ggrandparents of your grandmother you need a
birth, baptism or death record of your grandmother's mother or her maternal
grandparents or one of their siblings. Ask your grandmother if she knows
when her mother, Isabel Garcia, was born and when she died and when her
maternal grandparents, Dario Garcia and Victoriana Ponce, died and at what
age and where and if she knows any of those details about the siblings of
her maternal grandparents. Once you have as much of that info as possible
post it here to see if something can be found by someone here.

Victoriana Ponce might be the person been mentioned as Victoria Vera in the
following record in Ojo Caliente which might give you your grandmother's
maternal ggrandparents
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NDZW-XYCSearch film 226689 for
the record

Armando

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:45 PM, wrote:

> Im trying to find my grandmas Ggrandparents and even further.
> Grandmas name Timotea Garcia Garcia born in La Estancia Nochistlan
> Zacatecas.Parents of Tmotea father Pablo Garcia mother Ysabel
> Garcia.Parents of Pablo Garcia both born in La Estancia father Felipe
> Garcia mother Timotea ulloa.Parents of Ysable Garcia Dario Garcia mother
> Victoriana Ponce.My grandmother told me that every one was born in La
> Estancia Zacatecas Mexico Except for Victoriana Ponce she was from Las
> Clavellinas Aguascalintes Mexico.Someone can please help me out would be
> very awesome

La Estancia still exists to this day in Nochistlan, It's my intention to visit "La Estancia the next time I go to Nochistlan.

Keep digging Abram and patiently go about doing your own research, this is how we all started. Many people on this site have given you lots of pointers but it's very important that by way of deducing dates on the records you find, you start to guesstimate which rolls of film you need to look at next. I'll give you an example.

* If the marriage document says the groom is soltero/single de 23 años de edad/23 years of age - when he was married and the year of the marriage is 1925, he could have been born sometime around 1900 +/- 5 years. That means you need to go to Zacatecas/Nochistlan/Bautismos/1895 thru 1905 and look in the index for the books pertaining to those years, that is if there is an index, some volumes don't have an index. If no index, then you have to look page by page and record by record. Believe it or not, you begin to read and understand the language, the terminology, the handwriting, the ranchos etc. There's nothing like doing your own research and while everyone here is willing to help you, you won't get very far unless you do the work yourself.
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help trying to find my grandmothers Ggrandparents

Im trying to find my grandmas Ggrandparents and even further.
Grandmas name Timotea Garcia Garcia born  in La Estancia Nochistlan Zacatecas.Parents of Tmotea father Pablo Garcia mother Ysabel Garcia.Parents of Pablo Garcia both born in La Estancia father Felipe Garcia mother Timotea ulloa.Parents of Ysable Garcia Dario Garcia mother Victoriana Ponce.My grandmother told me that every one was born in La Estancia Zacatecas Mexico Except for Victoriana Ponce she was from Las Clavellinas Aguascalintes Mexico.Someone can please help me out would be very awesome

Abram

The information from your grandmother is quite valuable, but you need to establish some dates, and hopefully confirm the places. "La Estancia" is a somewhat common name, and in principle, this could be in a number of towns.

A basic principle of genealogy research is to work from what you know, and go back.

Where I suggest you start is back with your grandfather, Candelario Armas, since you have the most concrete information on him at the moment, and use this as the key to get information on your grandmother. From what we have seen so far, from the 1930 Census for La Jabonera, he was born in 1930. So, we need to try to find either his baptism or civil birth record. Both of these are on line.

[Something to keep in mind is that this was right after the Cristero War, which had a major impact on the Church, and the sacraments of baptism and marriage. This could be a complication. But don't be too concerned about this at the moment.]

From the Nochistlan baptismal records, look for the baptism of your grandfather. This should be in 1930. There is a volume for 1929-31, so this is the place to start looking. The Nochistlan baptismal records have been indexed, so this will help you find the record. Sometimes the baptismal records of this period will have an annotation of when the person was married; this is especially true if the marriage took place in the same parish. Look for Candelario in the index at the beginning of the film, after you find him, find his baptismal record.

Then, look for the marriage record of your grandparents Candelario and Timoteo. If you are lucky, they were married in the parish as Candelario's baptism, and the baptismal record will be annotated.

From other information you provided earlier, a relative, Enedelia was born in 1959, so your grandparents were married before this year.

When you find your grandparents marriage record, you will find that it gives very little information, unlike the older ones you've seen. However, there will sometimes be a reference to the matrimonial investigation. If there is no reference, you will need to search the matrimonial investigation records for a month or two prior to their wedding date.

In general the matrimonial investigation with give birth dates, baptismal dates, where they are from, and parent's names. So they are quite important for this time period. Sometimes, again if you are lucky, they will give an exact reference to the baptismal record. If one of the partners came from another town, there might be a letter or certificate from the Priest of the church where he or she was baptized.

The matrimonial investigations are not indexed, but the modern ones are usually in chronological order. If you don't have a reference to a specific investigation, start looking about 2 months period to the wedding date. The modern ones are forms to be filled out, so they are pretty easy to search.

Something to keep in mind. The digitized images of baptisms and marriages at Family Search may contain more than one volume, and each volume is indexed separately. For example, the Family Search link might say something like "Bautismos 1891-1899" but it is actually a film with the volume for 1891-1895, and the volume for 1895-99. Each will have its own index. Each volume will start with page 1, so it is not too hard to find the second (or sometimes third index). The clue that a given link covers more than one volume is the page at the beginning of the film that says what is covered. If the date range dose not match that of the link, then you know.

If you don't have too much homework, this is a good weekend project!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA