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Christoper,
I noticed you only listed Zenon's birth date as Jun 1820, if you look clearly the document will say "nació oi" which means today, the same day he was baptized. Sometimes, you have to look really closely because "oi" is just written incorrectly for "hoy."
Daniel

Estimada Patty,

Nunca lo encontre pero gracias a Dios el extractor mencionó los padres en la acta. No desciendo de los López Peñuelas, antepasados de los marqueses de San Juan de Rayas. Si necesitas datos adicionales déjame saberlo. Si desciendo de las familias Bustos y Xérez y los Muñoz de Xérez. Quisiera copia del matrimonio de Bernardo en mi archivo familiar. No he tenido suerte, quizas una persona lo tendra.

Tu primo,
Daniel

Carol

Is this couple Jose Maria Alvarez and Maria Francisca Campos? If so, they were married 25 Aug 1836 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, ZAC (image #558 in marriages for 1821-40). This names their parents, and notes there was a dispensation for second degree consanguinity. They might be first cousins!

I have seen cases where the first names of the women vary a bit: Ana Francisca could be the same as Maria Francisca; she could have been known as Maria, Ana, or Francisca in various records. Since the birth records name the grandparents, this would tend to prove that she used various names

If this is true, which I suspect it might be, then there is a fair amount of information in the Tlaltgenango de Sanchez Roman and Momax, Zacatecas records.

Jose and his bride were actually first cousins (they are both grandchildren of Antonio Campos and Eufracia Castaneda.

Briefly, the records I found are:

Marriage record for Jose Maria Alvarez (s/o Juan de Dios Alvarez and Maria Rafaela Campos) and Maria Francisca Campos (d/o Francisco Campos and Ana Maria Cornejo), 25 Aug 1836, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman

I found baptismal records for three children of theirs:
(1) Lorenso Hipolito y Caciano, chr 10 Aug 1837, Momax, ZAC (image 176); grandparents are as listed in his parents marriage record
(2) Pedro, died within about 1 year, Momax
(3) Senon Paulino de Sta Agripina, chr 23 Jun 1839, Momax

Ana Maria Alvarez d/o Juan de Dios Alvarez and Maria Rafaela Campos chr 7 May 1808, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman. Grandparents: Antonio Alvarez/Prudencia Rita Serrano and Anton/Campos/Eufracia Castaneda. (film for 1800-1809 image 500)

Maria Francisca Campos was chr 28 Mar 1814, Momax (film 1811-14, image 44), d/o Francisco Campos and Anna Cornejo; grandparents, Antonio Campos/Eufracia Castaneda and Rafael Cornejo/Rita Carlos

This is not all the information available for these families, but it is enough to give you the basic relationships.

The fact that Jose and his bride are first cousins is unusual, as this is not something that a dispensation is commonly given for!

I used the old family search website for the indexes, and then went to the digitized films for the Zacatecas towns on the new website. Since the records for these towns appear pretty good, you may be able to go back farther.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

I agree, Laura. I too was so excited to see a new introduction with the Castañeda name, but so sad to see it was not the line I am looking for :( But best of luck to you both.
Sandra Blankinship

Hi and welcome!

I have Castanedas in my family as well, but a different line. It's such a bummer to read there's a new Castaneda and then find it's not the same one. :-(

Laura Gonzalez

Ruben Rojas

Hi Sylvia,

Welcome to the group, I also have Antonio de Castaneda, but on my maternal side. He would be my 8th Great Grandfather. I saw your link and we share the Castaneda last name up until Rosalia Castaneda (born 1745 in Tlaltenango)my 5th Great Grandmother.
Again, welcome to the group and bye for now.

Hi Sylvia,
Welcome to Nuestros Ranchos. Hopefully you will be able to make more progress. You'll find this is a very open and helpful community, where sharing information is built into the DNA.

I am interested to find out where your search of your Maternal Gonzalez line leads. I have a direct link to Teul in my paternal Gonzalez line (Simon Gonzalez b~1830), and I suspect other links to Tlaltenango via a distant (possible) great-grandmother Efigenia Gonzalez Llamas b~1701.

Simon Gonzalez Casillas married Valeriana Gonzalez Castro in 1865. Valeriana was born in 28 Apr 1834 to Juan Isidro Gonzalez Miramontes and Bonificia Castro Valera. The farthest I can track Valeriana's Gonzalez line is to Juan Gonzalez (b~1650) married to Cecilia Sandoval:
http://www.arturogonzalez.com/OurFamilies/persons/person2799.html

I am not aware of Simon being related to Valeriana. He was born in La Villita near Jalpa to Jose Maria Gonzalez and Juliana Casillas. He seems to be the only Gonzalez from my paternal line that moved to El Teul.

But as many of Simon's ancestors had connections to Tlaltenango and El Teul, it is likely that there are family links that I haven't identified. For instance, one that keeps me scratching my head is the marriage of Alejo "Covarrubias" and Efigenia Gonzalez Llamas on 12 Dec 1723 in Tlaltenango (Simon's great-grandfather). For some reason, Alejo said his natural father was Vicente Covarrubias (mother: Catarina Venegas) in the wedding investigation, but not at the wedding ("padres no conocidos") , then "Gonzalez" at his first daughter's baptism, and then at a later date he states his father was Sebastian Gonzalez (mother Catarina Venegas). Did he say his father was Vicente Covarrubias to avoid having to get a dispensation because he was related to Efigenia Gonzalez Llamas?? I have yet to find the marriage of Joseph Gonzalez and Juana Llamas Robles (daughter of Nicolas Llamas and Magdalena Robles) to help answer this question. All this to say that you and I seem to share similar last names in the same general area, so there might be a connection or two to uncover.

Best of luck!

Hi there Ronnie, long time no talk. Went through a slump but I am OK, now.

Indeed I descend from Antonio de Escoto y Tovar and his wife Inés Ortiz de Rodas. They had 11 children between 1637 and 1661. I descend from Diego de Escoto y Tovar (bap. 29 JUL 1653, in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno) married to Juana Alvarez de Ullóa y Mendoza [daughter of Antonio Alvarez de Ullóa and of Antonia de Mendoza], on 11 NOV 1687, also in the Parroquia de Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno.

According to Mariano González Leal, Beatriz Morales and María Morales were sisters, both daughters of Joseph de Cervantes Villaseñor and Isabel Sánchez Carranza; paternal grandaughters of Leonel de Cervantes and Leonor de Orozco. These conclusions are without a doubt the results of Jaime Holcombe's extensive research into his lineages. These families were almost his exclusive domain, well before some of us were even born.

It was precisely Escoto y Tovar that brought Jaime Holcombe-Isunza into the genealogy of Los Altos de Jalisco. His maternal grandmother was Josefa Escoto y Berni, born in San Juan de los Lagos, in 1882. From that ancestress, began his extensively profound genealogical research during the late 1950s up to the 1968-1972 era when he submitted all his Family Group sheets to the LDS church, until he passed away in 1994. I missed meeting him in person by a year. I began my research in 1992 and connected to his research in 1994 (it was slower back then only having access to Microfilms from Salt Lake City). I met his close circle of researcher colleagues in 1996 after I had "tracked" them down, and have personally worked with them as well: Mary Lou Montagna, Ophelia Márquez, Liliam Navarro Ramos Wold, Tony Campos, and Mariano González Leal, to name a few. They have provided me with a quite a treasure chest of gems that Jaime inherited to them, beyond what is available in his Family Group Sheets and which have never been published. (Never mind he few mistakes we have discovered in this research over the many, many years, but hey...he was only human.)

Since you brought it up, I thought it would be great for you and everyone in Nuestros Ranchos to see how they connect to Jaime Holcombe-Isunza via his alteño lines.
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Descent from Antonio de Escoto y Tovar to Jaime Holcombe Isunza

1 Antonio de Escoto y Tovar aka: Antonio de Escoto Note: Antonio de Escoto y Tovar, se avecindó en la Villa de Santa María de los Lagos, entre 1635 y 1637. Fue Alcalde Ordinario de Lagos en 1647. Casó en Lagos hacia 1637 con Inés Ortiz de Rodas, hija de Hernando Ortiz-Peguero y de Inés de Rodas. Note 2: Antonio e Inés vivieron en Lagos; ya para 1667 se habían establecido en San Juan de los Lagos, cuando Antonio de Escoto fue nombrado Teniente de Alcalde Mayor y donde ya había adquirido la Labor de la Matagorda (San Juan); allí vivió hasta que falleció. Born: ca. 1617 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Died: 1679 - 1685 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
.... +Inés Ortiz de Rodas aka: Ines de Rodas Note: Inés Ortiz de Rodas, hija de Hernando Ortiz-Peguero y de Inés de Rodas (casados ellos en la villa de Lagos el 17 de febrero de 1615); Inés se casó en Lagos hacia 1637 con Antonio de Escoto y Tovar. Born: ca. 1620 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Married: Bef. Dec 1637 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Died: Unknown Father: Hernando Ortiz-Peguero Mother: Inés de Rodas
. 2 Antonio de Escoto y Tovar aka: Antonio de Escoto Born: 19 Dec 1649 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Died: Unknown
....... +Casilda de Araujo y Guerrero aka: Casilda Araujo Born: 29 Apr 1653 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Married: ca. 1681 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Died: Unknown Father: Isidro de Araujo Guerrero Mother: Beatriz Burgueño
..... 3 Manuel de Escoto y Tovar aka: Manuel de Escoto Born: ca. 1682 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: 9 Aug 1730 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
........... +María Ramos de Castilla Born: ca. 1691 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Married: ca. 1707 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: 20 Sep 1771 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Father: Bernardo Ramos de Castilla Mother: Teresa Sánchez de Lara y Mendoza
........ 4 Antonio de Escoto y Tovar aka: Antonio de Escoto Born: 1708 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: 30 Sep 1786 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
.............. +Juana-Josepha González de Hermosillo aka: Juana Gonzalez Born: 3 Mar 1721 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, México Married: 18 Jan 1752 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, México Died: Unknown Father: Manuel González de Hermosillo Mother: Catalina Romo de Vivar
............ 5 Esteban-Joseph-Joaquín de Escoto y Tovar aka: Joaquin Escoto Born: 5 Nov 1752 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: 10 May 1811 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
.................. +María Josepha de los Dolores Jiménez de Castro aka: Dolores Jimenez Born: 1 Aug 1770 in La Ciénega, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, México Married: 26 Apr 1788 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: 20 Oct 1827 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Father: Miguel-Martín Jiménez de Castro Mother: Manuela-Damiana Norberta Ramírez de Hermosillo
............... 6 José-Concepción Nepomuceno Escoto y Jiménez aka: Concepcion Escoto Born: 12 Nov 1803 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Baptism: 15 Nov 1803 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: 9 Aug 1862 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
..................... +María-Eugenia Donaciana Jiménez y Orozco aka: Eugenia Jimenez Born: 6 Sep 1820 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Baptism: 8 Sep 1820 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Married: 29 Jan 1839 in Parroquia de San Juan Bautista, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: 20 Jul 1891 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Father: José-Agustín Jiménez de Castro Mother: María-Rosalía Tello de Orozco
................... 7 Francisco María Escoto y Jiménez aka: Francisco Escoto Born: 1847 in San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, México Died: 7 Jun 1919 in Pachuca, Hidalgo
......................... +María-Guadalupe Luisa Berni y Gómez aka: Guadalupe Berni Born: 21 Jun 1848 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, México Married: 10 Feb 1870 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: Unknown Father: José-María del Refugio Berni Mother: María-Paula Guadalupe Gómez
...................... 8 Josefa Escoto Berni aka: Josea Escoto Born: 20 Sep 1882 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: Unknown
............................ +Leopoldo Angel María Isunza Lozada aka: Leopoldo Isunza Born: 15 Nov 1873 in Puebla, Puebla, México Married: ca. 1905 in Pachuca, Hidalgo, México Died: Unknown Father: Felipe de Jesús Andrés Isunza Mother: María-Dolores Josefa Ramona Longinos Lozada
.......................... 9 Alicia Rosa Isunza Escoto aka: Alicia Isunza Born: 31 Dec 1906 in Pachuca, Hidalgo, México Died: Unknown
................................ +Carlos Burrows Holcombe Reyes aka: Charles B. Holcombe Born: 2 Apr 1901 in Ocampo, Chihuahua, México Baptism: 15 Sep 1901 in Ocampo, Chihuahua Married: 4 Nov 1925 in Fresnillo, Zacatecas, México Died: 13 Jun 1974 Father: William Hubert Holcombe Mother: María-Refugio Reyes
............................. 10 Jaime Holcombe Isunza Note: Jaime Holcombe Isunza, extraordinario investigador en genealogía. Miembro de la eminente Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica. Note 2: Investigador del Departamento Genealógico de la Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Últimos Días (LDS - La Iglesia Mormona). Born: 22 May 1941 in Chihuahua, Chihuahua, México Died: 17 Mar 1995 in Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal, México

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And just as you wanted to know...this is how I descend from Antonio de Escoto y Tovar.

Descent from Antonio de Escoto y Tovar to Steven Francisco Hernández López

1 Antonio de Escoto y Tovar aka: Antonio de Escoto Note: Antonio de Escoto y Tovar, se avecindó en la Villa de Santa María de los Lagos, entre 1635 y 1637. Fue Alcalde Ordinario de Lagos en 1647. Casó en Lagos hacia 1637 con Inés Ortiz de Rodas, hija de Hernando Ortiz-Peguero y de Inés de Rodas. Note 2: Antonio e Inés vivieron en Lagos; ya para 1667 se habían establecido en San Juan de los Lagos, cuando Antonio de Escoto fue nombrado Teniente de Alcalde Mayor y donde ya había adquirido la Labor de la Matagorda (San Juan); allí vivió hasta que falleció. Born: ca. 1617 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Died: 1679 - 1685 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
.... +Inés Ortiz de Rodas aka: Ines de Rodas Note: Inés Ortiz de Rodas, hija de Hernando Ortiz-Peguero y de Inés de Rodas (casados ellos en la villa de Lagos el 17 de febrero de 1615); Inés se casó en Lagos hacia 1637 con Antonio de Escoto y Tovar. Born: ca. 1620 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Married: Bef. Dec 1637 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Died: Unknown Father: Hernando Ortiz-Peguero Mother: Inés de Rodas
. 2 Diego de Escoto y Tovar aka: Diego de Escoto Note: Don Diego de Escoto y Tovar, español; orig. de la villa de Lagos, y vec. de San Juan de los Lagos; h. l. de don Antonio Escoto y Tovar y de doña Inés Ortiz de Rodas; se casó 2 veces, 1-Agustina de Orozco; y 2-Juana Álvarez de Ullóa y Mendoza, 1687. Note 2: Fueron sus Padrinos de bautizo en 1653: Francisco de Orozco y Inés de Villegas, cónyuges. Born: 29 Jul 1653 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Baptism: 29 Jul 1653 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Died: Bef. 1730 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
....... +Juana Alvarez de Ullóa y Mendoza aka: Juana de Ulloa Note: Doña Juana Álvarez de Ullóa y Mendoza, española; originaria de la Villa de Lagos, y vecina de San Juan de los Lagos; 2ª mujer de don Diego Escoto y Tovar, quienes celebraron nupcias el 11 de noviembre de 1687. Note 2: Fue hija legítima de don Antonio Álvarez de Ullóa y de doña Antonia de Mendoza, vecinos de San Juan. Born: ca. 1672 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Married: 11 Nov 1687 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Died: Aft. 1730 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Father: Antonio Alvarez de Ullóa Mother: Antonia de Mendoza
..... 3 Julián de Escoto y Tovar aka: Julian de Escoto Note: Don Julián de Escoto y Tovar, español; orig. de Santa María de los Lagos, y vec. de San Juan de los Lagos; h. l. de don Diego de Escoto y Tovar y de doña Juana Álvarez de Ullóa y Mendoza; se casó con doña María Petronila de Ávalos, el 9 de enero de 1730. Born: ca. 1704 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: 5 Dec 1757 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
........... +María-Petronila de Avalos aka: Petrona de Avalos Note: Doña María Petronila de Ávalos, española; orig. y vec. de Las Sardinas, en San Juan de los Lagos; hija natural de don Jerónimo de Ávalos y de madre no conocida; se casó con don Julián de Escoto y Tovar, el 9 de enero de 1730, en San Juan de los Lagos. Born: ca. 1710 in Las Sardinas, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Married: 9 Jan 1730 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: ca. 1745 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Father: Gerónimo de Avalos Villaseñor Mother: N. Márquez
........ 4 María Saragosa de Escoto aka: Maria de Escoto Note: María Saragosa de Escoto y Ávalos, Española; originaria y vecina de Las Sardinas, pueblo de San Juan de los Lagos; hija legítima de Julián de Escoto y Tovar y de Petrona de Ávalos; Padrino de bautizo: Gerónimo de Ávalos, su abuelo, solo. Born: 3 Jan 1731 in Las Sardinas, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Baptism: 18 Jan 1731 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: ca. Dec 1770 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
.............. +Pedro Joseph de Aldana aka: Pedro Aldana Note: Pedro Joseph de Aldana, Español; originario y vecino de Las Piedras, pueblo de San Juan de los Lagos; hijo legítimo de Juan Antonio de Aldana y de María de Pedroza; Padrinos de bautizo: Joseph de Anda y Manuela Hermenegilda de Anda. Born: 12 Apr 1727 in Las Piedras de Amolar, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Baptism: 27 Apr 1727 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Married: 14 Feb 1746 in Parroquia de San Juan Bautista, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: Aft. 1781 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Father: Juan-Antonio de Aldana Mother: María de Pedroza
............ 5 Luisa Silveria de Aldana aka: Luisa Aldana Note: Luisa Silveria de Aldana, Española, originaria y Vecina de La Agua Escondida, Pueblo de San Juan de los Lagos; hija legítima de Pedro Joseph de Aldana y de María Saragosa de Escoto; Padrino de bautizo: Don Antonio Zermeño, solo. Born: 19 Jun 1749 in La Agua Escondida, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Baptism: 13 Jul 1749 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: 1790 - 1791 in San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, México
.................. +Benito Antonio Muñoz de la Barba aka: Benito Barba Note: Benito Muñoz de la Barba, Español; originario del Pueblo de San Juan de los Lagos; Vecino del puesto de Santo Domingo, en la Villa de Lagos, desde 1760; hijo natural de Inés Efigenia Martín del Campo y Padre No Conocido. Born: ca. 1745 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Married: 11 May 1768 in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Died: Aft. 1798 in Arandas o San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, México Father: N. Muñoz de la Barba Mother: Inés Efigenia Martín del Campo
............... 6 Paula Saragosa de la Trinidad Barba aka: Paula Barba Note: Paula Saragosa Barba, Española; orig. del Pueblo de San Juan de los Lagos, y vec. de La Tinaja, San Miguel el Alto; hija legítima de Benito Muñoz de la Barba y de Luisa Silveria Aldana; Padrinos de bautizo: José Trinidad Barba y Mª Gertrudis Pérez. Born: 21 Mar 1772 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Baptism: 29 Mar 1772 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México Died: Aft. Mar 1813 in Atotonilco el Alto o Arandas, Jalisco, México
..................... +Ignacio-Gregorio Moreno aka: Gregorio Ignacio Moreno Note: Don Ignacio Gregorio Moreno, Español, orig. de Santa Cruz, Villa de Lagos, y vec de la Tinaja, San Miguel el Alto; hijo leg de don Diego Moreno de Ortega y de doña Mª Dionisia Maciel; Padrinos de bautizo: Don Antonio Moreno y Doña Mª Ignacia Moreno. Born: 10 Mar 1770 in Santa Cruz, Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, México Baptism: 18 Mar

Joseph--

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Rosalinda

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Chris Pinedo, I have them in my line but through the marriage of this person into my Fernandez line. I don't have a wife for Bartolome Pinedo. I do have my files on Rootsweb.com. My file is called Mexico and my Dad Chet (Aniceto) Castanon is my root person.
Linda Castanon-Long
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baptism 31 AUG 1774 Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico

Juan Josef Anastasio Espanol born in Taltiqualolla 15 days old

parents: Juan Pinedo and Margarita de Acuna

godparents: Juan Jph Fernandes and Gertrudis Pacheco

Source : 0439847 Jerez baptism

Batch No.: J600804 1771 - 1780

page 156 Family search online program

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church marriage 8 May 1803 in Jerez, Zac

Juan Jose Pinedo Espanol from Tetillas

parents: Juan Jose Pinedo and Margarita de Acuna

with Maria Magdalena Sanches Espanola from Jerez

parents: Antonio Sanches and Maria Josefa Fernandes

witness: Vicente Losano, Miguel de Herrera and many others

soure: 0440060 film

page 677 Family search online program

page 677 Family search online pilot program

. 1st cousin 5x removed in law of Chet Castanon

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On Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:38 PM, Chris Pineda wrote:

Did you come across anyone named Juan Anselmo Pinedo? He's my 5th GGF and lived in Jerez, Zacatecas at the time of your ancestors. He had a son named Bartolo or Bartolome Pinedo, who is y 4th GGF. Thanks, 

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Thanks to my cousin Katy Brecht's research; she found this dispensation.  It was an important link because Maria Florentina Pinedo (my 4th GGM),  widow of my 4th GGF Jose Juan Fernandez, and her second husband Gervacio Rodarte.  It included a Family Trunk and named 3/4 generations pedigree.  Most importantly it identified Celedonio Fernandez my 5th GGF.  That connection enabled me to connect Erlinda Castanon-Long as my cousin.  And Erlinda's research was a fountain of connections to other cousins!  In the past two weeks I've increased my cousin count by hundreds! Some I've traced to present day.  I still have hundreds more to add.

This is the website Katy Brecht found:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18409-25043-16?cc=1874591&wc….

BTW, the only 2 browsers that work are either Google Chrome or FireFox Mozilla.

Thanks to my cousin Katy Brecht and to Erlinda Castanon-Long!

Jose Carlos de Leon

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Evie,
You may have this, but I did quick search and found that Francisca Dávila was married to Alejandro Trejo on the 27 May 1953 in Villa del Refugio. I would be interested to follow your Flores line which may likely be the Flores Alatorre, a family I and many others descend on this forum. How far have you traced Nicolasa Flores' line? I have some lines around this region. Just some advice I call this the sticky region because many families travel a lot around here. I have a family and notice many others that are born in Calvillo will baptize their children in Tabasco (Villa del Refugio) then marry in Jalpa or Tlatenango and then die in Villanueva or vice-versa. Imagine all the archives you would have to search through. If you're lucky the families will stay in the same town for some time. If you need any further guidance please let me know, I am always available to guide new researchers, not knowing how much experience you have.
I hope this helps somehow,
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Hola Señores aqui reviviendo el tema de los descendeientes de Jose Ana Gutierrez, yo vengo del lado de su hijo Pedro Gutierrez (1853), el es mi Tatarabuelo, les comento que tengo ya tiempo queriendo encontrar a quien tuviera informacion sobre un libro (manuscrito) de vivencias que dejo por ahi alguno de los hijos de Jose Ana creo que especificamente fue Benigno aunque no estoy seguro, se que seria un Tesoro para los que seguimos esta linea ojala alguien supiera algo y ver si lo podriamos digitalizar en algun formato de Buena resolucion... Saludos!

Adrián Márquez Padilla

Gracias Irma y Ezequiel por contestar, mi interes es porque mi rama familiar viene precisamente de la Estancia Vieja y el Tule, aunque yo ya naci en el Distrito Federal y nunca tuve contacto con la familia de mis padres, tengo mucha familia con el apellido Gutierrez de ese rancho ya que mis abuelos maternos llevaban el apellido Gutierrez, Eustacio Padilla Gutierrez, Emiliana Campos Gutierrez, mi abuelo Eustacio Padilla ya viudo de Emiliana contrajo matrimonio con Librada Gutierrez, ya viuda de Norberto Gutierrez, de esta union nacio Vicente Padilla Gutierrez, medio hermano de mi madre, aun no termino de sacar las lineas familiares de los Gutierrez, pero se que tambien existe parentesco con la linea Gutierrez.

Otra relación familiar, es que la madre de Canuta Padilla Gallo, Francisca Gallo Ramirez, era hermana de Rosa Maria Gallo Ramirez, quien fuera la primera esposa de mi tatarabuelo Juan Nepomuceno Padilla Muñoz.

Espero seguir en contacto con ustedes.

Saludos

Thank you Armando for keeping NR members informed about DNA testing and options.

I wanted to add that if any of you tested with 23andMe's V3 chip or the NEW Autosomal test from Ancestry.com, you can import the autosomal part of your results to Family Tree DNA for $69 US and get more matches. Please remember that FTDNA has one of the largest DNA databases and you have the likelihood to yield more results when you upload your third-party results.

Read more about it here. https://www.familytreedna.com/landing/atdna-landing.aspx

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com

We are addressing the problem by examining the address to which the messages were sent.

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

This problem has been worked on and resolved. thanks

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Hello Roberto. Based on the results of DNA tests I can tell you that Francisco de Villalobos is a direct descendant of Cristóbal de Villalobos and María Pérez de Nava. One of the persons tested is a participant of the Nueva Galicia DNA project at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/NuevaGaliciaDNA/default.aspx?sectio…

I can also tell you that the father of Francisco de Villalobos was reported to be the son of Nicolás de Villalobos per the following dispensa https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18414-13679-26?cc=1874591&wc…

María Ignacia Villalobos y Romo de Vivar was married 9 May 1792 with Marcos Muñoz Landeros
635886 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11613-123582-27?cc=1410092…

Francisco de Villalobos and Anna Maria Romo de Vivar are also the parents of the following:

José Claudio Villalobos y Romo de Vivar 1758 casado el 12 de febrero 1782 con María Josefa López Martinez
Bautizado el 28 de julio 1758 - Villa del Refugio, Zacatecas, México
Casamiento: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11613-123908-93?cc=1410092…

José Claudio Villalobos y Romo de Vivar casado el 6 de mayo 1795 con María Antonia Rubio López
635886 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11613-123534-37?cc=1410092…

Regards,
Armando

Received test message

   Juan Carlos

On Monday, February 10, 2014 3:36 AM, Linda wrote:

Received test messages 1 and 2

Everything A-OK here.

Linda

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:16:55 -0600
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
    for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph
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I am sending out a test message to all three email distribution lists and
they will have this subject line: Research Test: for Joseph; General Test:
for Joseph; Announce Test: for Joseph

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:52:47 -0800 (PST)
From: George and Rosalva Jordan
To: "Announce@nuestrosranchos.org"
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Announce Test 3: for Joseph
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Test
Y-DNA: J2b1b (Formerly J2e2/J2b2)
mtDNA Haplogroup: U5a1a
FTDNA Kit: 48584
YSearch: PEEH3
Mitosearch: WFSBR

I agree on sharing genealogy records.

At Nuestros Ranchos we're supposed to help each other

Jose Carlos de Leon

Hola Helen,

Tienes errores en tu árbol. Te voy a dar todos los datos que tengo sobre
Monica Lorenza Romo de Vivar, esposa de Antonio Fermin Femat, para que veas
cuales son los que coinciden con los tuyos y en cuales son errores tuyos.

Monica Lorenza hizo la información matrimonial el 17 de octubre 1715 en
Asientos, Aguascalientes donde dijo ser hija de Maria de Villalobos y de
edad de 18 años. Fijate bien que no usa Ana ni Mariana para su madre.
Solamente usa el nombre Maria.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11627-22110-47?cc=1502404&…
Monica Lorenza tuvo su bautismo el 15 de mayo 1696 en Aguascalientes. Hija
de Nicolas Romo de Vivar y de Maria de Villalobos. Aquí tampoco existe el
uso de Ana o Mariana.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11928-137812-52?cc=1502404…

Los padres de Monica Lorenza Vivar de Romo, Nicolas Romo de Vivar y Maria
de Villalobos se casaron el 12 de febrero 1684 en Aguascalientes. Aqui
podemos ver por tercera vez que Maria no usa Ana ni Mariana.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30241-71?cc=1410092&…

Los padres de Nicolás eran Pedro Romo de Vivar y Rangel Peguero casado con
Lorenza Tiscareño de Molina y Ruiz de Esparza el 5 de mayo 1658 en
Aguascalientes
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-53490-11?cc=1410092&…

Los padres de Maria de Villalobos fueron Salvador de Villalobos y Macias
Valadez casado alrededor de 1667 con Francisca Martín del Campo y López de
la Cruz. La siguiente dispensa aclara las familias de ambos.

[Tronco Tomás de Villalobos cc Catarina Macias Valadez]

Salvador Villalobos...........1....María Villalobos

María Villalobos..................2....Catarina de Pedroza

Catarina Romo de Vivar....3....Francisco Martin del Campo

Pto.........................................4....Pta

[Tronco Lázaro Martin del Campo cc María López de la Cruz]

Ma Francisca Martin del Campo..1...Francisco Martin del Campo

María Villalobos.............................2...Bernabe Martin del Campo

Catarina Romo de Vivar..............3...Francisco Martin del Campo

Pto................................................4....Pta

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18419-3784-52?cc=1874591&wc=…

Por ultimo existen siete documentos notariales entre 1713 y 1722 que
mencionan a Maria de Villalobos, su esposo Nicolas Romo de Vivar y los
hijos de ambos que fueron Juana, Catarina, Pedro, Salvador, Francisca,
Monica [Lorenza], Alejo, Brigida, Joseph y Nicolas.

Se puede ver los documentos notariales si entras a
http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/login.aspx

username: sigue.publica
password: publica

Luego haciendo la busqueda de *Maria de Villalobos* en el campo de
CONTRATANTES.

Armando

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2014-02-09 22:30 GMT-06:00 :
Mi familia es de Femat de Aguascalientes y uno de mi bisabuelos Antonio
Fermin Femat se caso con Monica Vivar de Romo 16 Oct. 1715 en
Aguascalientes. Los papas de ella Mariana or Maria Ana Villalobos y
Nicolas Romo de Vivar y se casaron 31 Dec 1685 en Asuscion,,
Aguascalientes, No entiendo Maria Ana y Mariana Villalobos son dos
personas? Los papas de Nicolas eran Diego Vivar de Romo y Maria de los
Angeles Reyes? Me puede ayudar con estas preguntas? Helen Fisher