Nuestros Ranchos Site

When researching my family in SLC some years back, I copied the film
number (eg. 0218487, pg. 310, 311) for my reference records. I see
now that in order to add this film to our website film list, I must
have a batch number. How do I get a batch number for my film
numbers? I've looked around at the FamilySearch.org site but could
not find a place that tells me batch numbers in relation to the
numbers I have.

I would be happy to add the films to the Neustros files if I could
find the batch numbers.

Linda

So, Francisca was born Francisca Cabral (father's name) Figueroa (mother's
name). Alberto was born Alberto Martin Del Campo (father's name) Robles
(mother's name). When they married, Francisca then became Francisca Cabral
Martin Del Campo. Right? Which now helps me to make sense of her grave
headstone in Guadalajara, which reads: Francisca Cabral Oct. 20 de 1936.
Now, her mother was born Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa and married Benigno
Cabral, who was a Portuguese merchant sailor. So, she then became Pioquinta
Figueroa Cabral. Right? Family photos give their names as Francisca Cabral
and Pioquinta Gonzalez. My mother only recently found out that Pioquinta's
last name was Figueroa, so that is what has caused me additional confusion,
which only research will clear up, I think.

Corrine Ardoin

I am new so excuse me, but if I want at least one and possibly a total of six records from a San Diego De Alejandria that is on the film list, whom do I contact? Thanks.

Could anyone advise me on where to find Wills for these two cities? I have not found any microfilms on this information yet. Also, land records? I know some lines I am researching owned land. I have looked at the Fort Wayne Indiana genealogy library, but they did not have many Mexican records. Thanks for any guidance! Hoping for information from the Internet or in the midwest.

For those who enjoy old family pictures, I have uploaded some to an album called Robles/Martinez fam. of Aguascalientes which is located under the Members' and meetings album on the website.
John Robles

Hello, I'm Yolanda. I'm working on my motherside of
the family.
My Grandfather Pedro Jauregui was born 1892 at La
Estancia Zacatecas. I believe it's just outside of
Aguascalientes. His father was Rosalio Jauregui.
My Grandmother Maria Rauno was also born 1890 at La
Estancia Zacatecas. Her parents were C.Canuto Rauno.
Her Mother I believe was Maria Ulloa.I have names of
my Grandfather's brother and sisters. Ignacio
Jauregui married Marina Ulloa, Jacinta Jauregui
married Florenceo Sandoval, Demetria Jauregui married
Celso Jauregui, Macedonia Jauregui married Luis Yanez,
Placida Jauregui married Preciiano Yanez.
My Great Grand Father was Jose Rosalio Xauregui and my
Great Grand Mother was Pomposa Gonzales.
I have come to a stand still since I didn't know how
to find records in Mexico. I happy to be here.
Yolanda

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I forgot to place two more photos in my Martin Del Campo album. They are of
Alberto's mother, Rita Robles Rivera, taken with his sister, Dolores, whom
we know as "Aunt Lola," and the other picture is of Aunt Lola in Los Angeles
when she was much older. I'll add those hopefully soon.

It's interesting, looking at the Robles/Martinez album, to see a man named
Nieves Munoz. Rita Robles Rivera, whose picture I will be uploading soon,
married Ismael Martin Del Campo, Alberto's father, and his father, Tomas
Martin Del Campo was married to a Nieves Munoz. Rita died in 1935 in Los
Angeles, her brother's name was Juan Robles and married a woman named
Refugio.

Corrine Ardoin

Hello Everybody

Iam new and i need help looking for familiy it seems that i cant find any family from pinos, jalisco and Zacatecas if you guys think that you are link to any of this people just let me know Thanks

Carmen /Ramirez/ Cerda -------------------------------------------------------------HUSBAND NOT DEATH
Born : 17 Sep 1908
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes Mexico
Died: 12 May 1993
San Luis Potosi S.L.P Mex

HER PARENTS:

Agapita /Cerda/ Alvarez -----------------------NOTE: She married twice this one its her second marriage I don’t have
BORN: Abt 1884 the others husband’s name but she did have a daughter of this
Pinos, Zacatecas. Marriage her name was * Luisa – I don’t hav more
info on her
Died: Abt 1967
San Luis Potosi S.L.P Mex

* Andres /Ramirez/
NO MORE INFO --- need info

HER SIBILINGS:

* Serafina /Ramirez/ Cerda
NO MORE INFO --- need info

* Andres /Ramirez/ cerda
NO MORE INFO --- need info

* Angel /Ramirez/ Cerda
NO MORE INFO --- need info

* 2 More sisters but don’t have any names and info on them

NOTE: The one with * means they are death since I don’t have any death date for them

Cecilio /Gallegos/ Avalos -------------------------------------------------------------WIFE NOT DEATH
Born : 22 Nov 1912
San Juanico de Abajo, Jalisco
Died: 17 Jun 1980
San Luis Potosi S.L.P Mex

Sons and Daughters:

Socorro /Gallegos/ Chavez
BORN: 26 Apr 1956
San Luis Potosi S.L.P Mex
Died: 11 Sep 1994
San Luis Potosi S.L.P Mex

Ambrosio /Gallegos/ Chavez
Born: 7 Dec 1934
Died: 20 Nov 1994
San Luis Potosi S.L.P Mex

Grand kids:

Juan Aurelio /Miramontes/ Gallegos
Born: 20 Sep 1972
San Luis Potosi S.L.P Mex
Died: 19 Apr 1980
San Luis Potosi S.L.P Mex

HIS PARENTS:

NO INFO ON THEM, LOOKING FOR INFO

Corrine,

If I'm not mistaken in Mexico the wife's surname does not change after marriage. She continues all the days of her life with her name of birth. Say she was born as Maria, Anastacia Gonzales, (hypothetical name) and she marries Juan Flores, she is then Maria Anastacia Gonzales de Flores. If she registers to vote or goes to the doctor or applies for any legal document she is still Maria Anastacia Gonzales the wife of Juan Flores. Her children would have both parent's surnames, first surname is the father's second would be the mother's, thus they would be Maria Flores, Gonzales or Juan Flores Gonzales.

Alicia
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Corrine Ardoin
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:29:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Martin Del Campo Photos

The surname for Alberto's wife, Francisca is confusing for me, so I hope I
didn't make any mistakes there. Her mother's name is confusing, Pioquinta
Gonzalez Figueroa, according to my mother, and this is yet to be verified
with documentation. She is said to have married Benigno Cabral, so she
became Pioquinta Cabral Gonzalez, however that works, and her daughter then
was Francisca Cabral. When she married Alberto, she became Francisca Martin
Del Campo Cabral, I think. And then my grandmother was Magdalena Martin Del
Campo Cabral. It's too confusing for me. I give up. But the photos are
there. I hope they help others out with their research.

Corrine Ardoin

I needed to add that I uploaded the Martin Del Campo photos in the Members
and Group Meetings Album. I had at first made it an album of its own, but
just corrected my mistake and placed it where it is supposed to go. The
surname for Alberto's wife, Francisca is confusing for me, so I hope I
didn't make any mistakes there. Her mother's name is confusing, Pioquinta
Gonzalez Figueroa, according to my mother, and this is yet to be verified
with documentation. She is said to have married Benigno Cabral, so she
became Pioquinta Cabral Gonzalez, however that works, and her daughter then
was Francisca Cabral. When she married Alberto, she became Francisca Martin
Del Campo Cabral, I think. And then my grandmother was Magdalena Martin Del
Campo Cabral. It's too confusing for me. I give up. But the photos are
there. I hope they help others out with their research.

Corrine Ardoin

Quien el grupo conoce de los PROTOCOLOS NOTARIALES? Hay informacion de
los nombres de los Notarios de la region de Guadalajara? En la Iglesia
de LDS hay muchos microfilmes de los actos de Notarios pero no hay
nombres o los lugares en la region de Guadalajara donde hacieron sus
trabajos. . .hay nomas fetchas. Quicera saber como hayar cuales fueron
los Notarios para la region del Norte de Jalisco como las Cabezeras:
Colotlan y Santa Maria de Los Angeles. . .Pues Huejucar y Tepetongo tambien.

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who knows about the Notary Records for the Guadalajara area. The LDS
church has many many microfilmes of these records but only with dates. .
.there is not region represented or the names of the Notaries for
certain regions. Is there a List somewhere of the Notaries that covered
certain areas? I'm looking for the Colotlan, Santa Maria de Los Angeles,
Huejucar and Tepetongo areas.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Just wanted to let you know that I finally uploaded my Martin Del Campo
photos into an album entitled "Corrine's Martin Del Campo Collection." They
are of Alberto Martin Del Campo, my grandmother's father; his wife Francisca
Cabral; his sister Dolores Martin Del Campo; Francisca's mother, Pioquinta
Gonzalez Figueroa; and the wedding photo of Rosario Martin Del Campo. In
Rosario's wedding photo, my grandmother, Magdalena Martin Del Campo is on
the left and their sister, Maria Luisa Martin Del Campo is on the right of
Rosario. I do not know the names of the men in the photos, except that
Rosario did marry someone with the last name of Romero.

Corrine Ardoin

"To The End Of The Earth: A History of The Crypto-Jews of New Mexico" by
Stanley M. Hordes. Columbia University Press, NY, 2005.

Some of my ancestors are listed in this book. Here is a short list: Simón
Abendaño, Juan Victorio de Carvajal, Bartolomé de Góngora, Juan Griego,
Manuel Jorge, Alphonso Rael de Aguilar, Bartolomé Romero, Pedro Robledo,
Diego de Vera family, and others. Your public library should be able to
provide a copy of this book through the interlibrary loan system or it can
be purchased.

Gem

Marion: I think your mother knew how to cook morisqueta, as most recipes I
see are mentioned in the same way your mother cooks. However, my
mother-in-law's recipe differed - I sometimes wonder if it was because her small town
(El Valle de Guadalupe) was mostly light skinned Mexicans, and perhaps their
traditions closely resembled that of Spain?

Santos -- glad to see your name in print again----I read somewhere that
surnames that end with "ez" as are names that begin with "al" are derived from
our Arabic/Moorish ancestors who dominated Spain for over 700 years. I also
come to think about Shimon Peres, who was Jewish, born in Poland, and was an
ambassador for the middle east conflict some years ago. One would initially
wonder what a surname such as Peres is doing in Poland, but when one remembers
our history about Queen Isabella expelling the Jews in the late 1400's, then
they would have fled throughout Europe and some would have arrived in the new
world. Interestingly, a Jewish man whom I know just began his ancestry
search, and found out that he was not a Russian Jew as previously thought, his
Jewish last name was also Perez, with his family having originated from Spain.
His poor mother hasn't been the same since (smile).

In a message dated 10/25/2006 10:19:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,
marionicia@yahoo.com.mx writes:

My mother use to do morisqueta: she cooked the rice with plain water, when
almost done she added salt; next she fried onion, garlic and red tomato and
added to the rice and blended. I had know that morisqueta is the rice cooked in
water with no salt added.

Santos Luna escribió: Reading Prima Esperanza's
message below, peaked my interest on an old subject.

I recall, my mother saying, that she had cousins that were "Arabe", but that
the bloodline was by marriage. I have always been curious about the Arabic
surname, and have followed some of the lines of my mothers cousins, but have
not found any surname with the possibility.

This past week, I met a lady whose grandparents immigrated to Mexico from
Lebanon, in the early 1900's, but they did not meet until years after their
arrivals. In order to blend in, they changed their given names to the more
traditional Spanish names.

And the mysteries continue.....
Helyn

Latina1955@aol.com wrote:

Looking up "morisqueta" in our dictionary, I found out that it was an arabic
term used for rice, that was made in just the same fashion as my
mother-in-law's soup. It was then that I realized the close connection
between the two
cultures (Arabic) and (Mexican), via Africa!

My mother-in-law, from Michoacan makes a soup called morisqueta. It is made
with pork bones for flavor and a mixture of chile ancho and guajillo.
Sometimes, towards the end,she adds cabbage. Then she serves it with rice that is
very sticky, very gooey (originally, I thought she did not know how to make
white rice).

Several years ago, while in Ghana, Africa, I came across peanut soup that
was served with a thick pasty "fufu". The fufo was used almost as bread (but
it had more the consistency of the rice mentioned above), one was supposed to
shape the fufu it in a scoop and take in the soup with your hands. The soup
reminded me very much of my mother-in-law's recipe - spicy, yet plain. The
filler was of course the sticky, almost gooey rice.

Looking up "morisqueta" in our dictionary, I found out that it was an arabic
term used for rice, that was made in just the same fashion as my
mother-in-law's soup. It was then that I realized the close connection between the two
cultures (Arabic) and (Mexican), via Africa!

Hola a tdos los del grupo de Genealogia Mexico de Yahoo:

Soy nuevo miembro, este es mi primer e-mail al grupo.
Entre porque soy genealogista aficionado desde hace
varios años.
Busco mi genealogia paterna en la region de los Altos de
Jalisco y la materna por la Cienega o Rivera de Chapala.

Me informaron que es miembro de este grupo, el Dr.
Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal, gran Genealogista experto en
la Dicha Regiion de Los Altos de Jalisco, y me interesa
contactarlo por este medio, alguien de los miembros del
grupo sabe como puedo contactarlo.
--
Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

What an excellent article! I read it from beginning to end at one sitting. Thank you so much for posting it, Esther. I particularly liked the fact that it explained the complexities of the relationships in the various families. Marge:)

Thanks to Rich and Kitty Cortez who copied 8 records for me while they were in Salt Lake I have some major new discoveries. Talk about some eyeopeners !!!

Here's my ancestry in this my maternal grandmother's line, Maria del Refugio Ruiz, Esparza born Aug 1900>>her father and my g-grandfather, Refugio Ruiz Muños Bapt 01 March 1869. He was the son of Jose Rafael Ruiz Esparza my gg-grandfather born around 1834, son of my ggg -grandfather, Cirilo Ruiz, Alvares & Maria Cayetana Esparza, Luevano, daughter of my gggg -grandparents, Doroteo Esparza & Maria Dolores Luevano.

1) Marriage records for Doroteo Esparza & Maria Dolores Luevano from Pabellon, Rincon de Romos, Aguascalientes, marriage date 18 Jan 1807. I had not ordered this roll of film as it was one of the only records outside my primary target area of Nochistlan Zac and I did not think it would give up so much information. I have always wondered what indian tribe my family descends from and while I still don't know what tribe I have the first evidence that we are indios from the Aguascalientes region - here's the content of this marriage record.

Film # 0635756, Batch # M602763, 1798-1845, En la capilla de Pabellon, feligresia de Pueblo de San Jose de Gracia en 18 del mes de Enero de 1807, Doroteo Esparza, mestizo, origniario y vecino de La Hacienda de Garabato, hijo legitimo de Pioquinto Esparza y de Gertrudis Manriques con Maria Dolores Luebana, Española, originaria de La Hacienda de Garabato y Nicomedes en la jurisdicion de Aguascalientes en el puesto de Las Trojes quatro años y vecina en Garabatos quatro años, hija leg de Maximiano Luebana y Ursula Castorena. Padrinos Roberto Ximenes y Maria Casilda Duran.

2) The second surprise was from the branch of Cirilo Ruiz Alvares, the husband of Maria Cayetana Esparza Luevano noted above. I requested the baptism record of his brother as I still don't have a record of Cirilo's birthdate but guess it was around 1805 which is the year that is missing for baptisms from Nochistlan.

LDS Film # 0226657, batch # C606233, 1800-1804, Bautismos Nochistlan, Juan Jose Evaristo, Español, hijo legitimo de Jose Bictoreano Ruis y de Maria Ysabel Macias y nieto legitimo por parte paterna no se sabe quienes fueron. y por parte materna, Jose Maria Macias y de Maria de la O Duran; Fueron sus padrinos, Jose Andres Muños y Maria Ynes Martinez de Soto Mayor.

What this tells me is that Cirilo's father Bictoreano Ruiz, my gggg-grandfather did not know who his parents were. Bictoreano Ruiz and Maria Ysavel had their first child in 1797 and they had 10 children, if not more and the last baptism record I have of their children is for 1810 in Nochistlan, Zac. Bictoreano must have been born around 1777 +/- a few years. Even though the birth record says español that is dubious because if they don't know who the paternal grandparents were how can they know he was an español?

So thanks Rich and Kitty.......without your help and without the assistance from all in this group I would not be as far as I am in my research and I would not enjoy it as much as I do.

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

I have downloaded a new file entitled "The Early Life of Luis Velasco". This article recalls the early life of Luis Velasco. Included are family genealogical charts relating relationships to other early colonial families. Genealogical data on the Mendosa family is also included.

Check out the article if you are Mendosa, Velasco, Trevino, Ybarra descendant.

Esther

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200403/the.mexican.kitchen.s.isla…

I love this article. It tells about how so much of the cuisine we love today (albondigas, moles, aguas frescas, and so much more) was brought to Mexico by the Spaniards who had learned it from the Muslims, and the Muslims learned it from the ancient Persians.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, Washingon

The http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project has several new audio
file links this month. In the Comida section please listen to the Here
On Earth podcasts of "Food of the Americas" and "Corn." In the Coyote
section please listen to the "Rise and Fall of Salsa" and an "African
Empire in the Americas." I've also been given permission to host an old
entry which was previously available only via RealPlayer but now in MP3
format in the History section: "Medieval Spain's Golden Age of
Enlightenment" which is about the time period Between 711 and 1492, when
Christians, Jews, and Muslims lived side by side in medieval Spain and
forged a golden age for each faith, making Spain the continent's
commercial and cultural center while Europeans elsewhere were mired in
the Dark Age. In the Oral History section Frank Moreno Sifuentes has
submitted several new "Cuentos." In the Genealogia - Paises/Countries
section there is an interesting account by Guillermo Castaneda Lee about
his genealogical research in Guatemala.
If you would like to get involved in helping with this project
please join the Planning Committee for the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast
project: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/podhi/ or contact:
NFU@JosephPuentes.com

While in Salt Lake City last weekend, I spent time going through the earliest Zacatecas, Zacatecas film of "Informacion Matrimonial." I have begun extracting all of the marriages from 1604 (beginning of the film) through 1628 (when the film lapses until about 1680).

I have uploaded what I have extracted thus far into the GEDCOM database in a tree called Zacatecas Marriages. Unfortunately, most of the entries do not include parents' names.

Please let me know if you have any questions about this... to give you an idea of what is in there:

Balthazar ? Beatriz Saldana Antes 1608
Juan Alvarez Gomez Maria Diaz de Arelano 25 Jan 1606
Francisca Baptista Balthazar Gomez 1605
Diego Benavides Luisa Herera Antes 1608
Isabel Caldera Christobal Martinez 1609
? Careno Maria Munoz Alonzo Antes 1607
Miguel Ceton Beatriz de Armenta 2 Sep 1609
Pedro Chaves Quiteria Guzman 30 Nov 1607
Juan Cornejo Maria Vilegas 22 Jan 1607
Leonor Cortes Christobal Saldana Antes 1607
Melchora de Abrego Pedro Flores 21 Feb 1607
Pedro Alcaraz Juana de Paras Antes 1608
Maria Andrade Miguel Vilegas Antes 1607
Felipa de Arelano Gonzalo Portillo 13 Sep 1607
Hernan Arguelo Maria de Navarete Antes 1608
Beatriz Armenta Miguel Ceton 22 Sep 1609
Ana de Banuelos Vicente Saldivar 31 Aug 1609
Maria Bedio Cristobal Francisco 28 Apr 1608
Diego Chavez Isabel Garcia 03 Feb 1608
Juan de Condamafea Catalina Sanchez 20 Aug 1605

Hola a todos
Me gustaría subir mi gedcom para compartirlo y ver si hay alguien más con intereses comunes debido a los apellidos que pueda contener.
Jose de Loza

I am finally back in San Antonio and trying to get "back to normal" after
spending a wonderful week at the FHC in SLC meeting some great people~!

Meeting with Kitty and Rich Cortez as well as with Arturo Ramos, Lydia
Corona and her friend Becky, Ulla, Jonathan and a lot of other people made
this trip a success for me!

Although the presentations were made in Spanish they spoke it slow enough to
allow me to understand it. I had a conversation with George Ryskamp and his
wife Peggy as well as with Ruth Gomez Schirmacher on Saturday evening. They
asked my opinion of the event and I suggested that they consider having the
same presentations in ENGLISH as well as in Spanish next year. I explained
to them that our "Nuestros Group" is bilingual but that there are a lot of
us who prefer English. I also made this comment on the "feedback" sheets
they passed out after some of the presentations. Mr. Ryskamp and his wife
listened to my suggestion and I believe they will consider it. I plan to
keep in touch with them regarding this. They explained to me that there are
a lot of things to be considered in order to make this possible but I
believe that it can be worked out......somehow!

I also suggested that more emphasis be placed on "Research in Mexico" which
is the focal point for a lot of us before we can make the "big jump over the
pond" to Spain. Mr. Ryskamp presented wonderful presentations on Spain
research but I feel that more focus on Mexico would be profitable for me.
All in all it was a wonderful opportunity for us to learn more from the
"best"..........

Another great presenter was Lynn Turner who presented "Genealogia Mexicana
en el Internet" and had a great handout. I can send this list to the group
if anyone is interested........just let me know. Mr. Turner has the
website: www.hispanicroots.net and is very helpful.

The past month has been filled with great things for me........spending time
with my daughter Kim and her family from Switzerland, seeing my newest
grand child again and experiencing her "two new teeth" with her.......as
well as the fussiness and fever that accompanies it! :-) Spending time
with my fellow researchers in SLC and meeting all of them in person was a
wonderful experience that I hope to repeat next year if possible.

If anyone has any suggestions that I can pass on to Mr. Ryskamp and Ms.
Schirmacher please let me know.

Josie in San Antonio

For those of you who are interested, at http://www.rootstelevision.com/ there is a interview of George Ryskamp, on Hispanic Roots. The interview has 4 parts.

Jonathan