Sunday, March 15, 2009
Dear Victoriano--
I checked one of my sources and found the following:
Joseph Maria NABARRO married
16 Jun 1766 in Ocotlan to
Fernanda Josepha SANABRIA
Their children appear to be:
Joseph Bernardino Senicio NAVARRO born
10 Jun 1767 in Ocotlan
Jop. Antto. Mathias NABARRO born
6 Mar 1771 in Ocotlan
Could these be yours? I could not get anywhere with your other names. Sorry.
Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
in San Diego, Ca.
--- On Sat, 3/14/09, victorianonavarro wrote:
> From: victorianonavarro
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Celtic and Spain
> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 10:44 PM
> Hi all,
> I descend from the NAVARRO family from Coahuila, altough
> according to one source my great grandfather VICTORIANO
> NAVARRO came from OCOTLÁN, JALISCO (born about 1808; son of
> MARIA ENCARNACIÓN SEPEDA & DOMINGO NAVARRO; greatson of
> FERNANDA SARAVIA & JOSÉ MARÍA NAVARRO and of RAFAEL
> SEPEDA & ROSA SAUCEDO), however so far I have not
> confimed this Jalisco connection with any other documents.
> If anybody has any furhter information please let me know, I
> would really appreciate it. I got the Y-DNA test from
> NatGeo/FamilytreeDNA and we belong to the R1b1b2 Haplogroup.
> The FamilytreeDNA page has an "Ancestral Origins"
> section where they compare one's results to their
> database. According to therm:
> -Percentages above 2% are considered significant indicators
> of your family’s origins. -Percentages above 4% may be
> interpreted as highly significant indicators of your
> family’s origins.
> I don't have any matches on 25, 37 or 64 markers, but I
> have some on 12 markers (exact and one-step mutation
> results).
> On 12 markers, exact matches, none of them is above 0.1%,
> but on one-step mutations the highest % matches I have are
> 2% matches with the database from NORTHEN IRELAND (10 out of
> 493); compared to the database from IRELAND I only have 1%
> matches (103 out of 10,051).
> My results can be found at Gary Felix's Mexican DNA
> webpage and at Ysearch. There you can find other results
> from NAVARRO families fron JALISCO which are also R1b1b2 but
> that do not match each other nor my own. I was also
> remembering some Spaniards from Irish origin. The last
> Viceroy of New Spain was JUAN O'DONOJÚ and one of the
> leaders of Chile's Independence War was BERNANRDO
> O'HIGGINS.
> Warmest regards,
> Victoriano Navarro
Dear Patricia,
Thanks for your message I don't really know for sure if I should be looking for VICTORIANO NAVARRO in Ocotlán.
I found the names of his parents and grandparents in al old family tree prepared in 1935 by one of his grandsons. Recently I was able to confirm the names of his parents (MARIA ENCARNACIÓN SEPEDA & DOMINGO NAVARRO) by finding baptism records of his chidren from northen Coahuila. I still have to find out whether the names of his grandparets (FERNANDA SARAVIA & JOSÉ MARÍA NAVARRO and RAFAEL SEPEDA & ROSA SAUCEDO) are aso correct or not.
I am trying to find a marriage or baptism record for Victoriano himself (hoping to find the names of his grandparents), then I would like to try to find the same for his parents, and only then I could make sure whether the records you mention do correspond or not to my ancestors.
The only source of information regarding Victoriano's Ocotlán origin is a book regarding the Madero famiy genealogy written by Carlos B Madero, the youngest brother of President Fco. Madero. I wonder if he was actually from some other town in Jalisco.
I know Victoriano was born about 1808, but I went to the IGI Indices of bapisms from Ocotlán around 1808 (found in this webpage) and I could not find his name. Do you or somebody else knows if these indices contain ALL the names included in the microfilms? Should I bother looking for his baptism record in these microfms if his name does not appear in the IGI indices?
Thanks again fo the information.
Warmest regards,
Victoriano Navarro
IGI Indices.... Ancestors in Ocotlan, Jalisco...