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Arturo Gonzales Web Page

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http://www.arturogonzalez.com/OurFamilies/persons.html

Does anyone know the owner of this website? I am interested because he has a few of my ancestors in his information.

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Arturo Gonzales Web Page

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You can also contact me through my account here as it goes to the same email, agon123_at_gmail_dot_com

I'd be more than happy to help any way I can..

Arturo G

San Martin Y Estrada

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Thanks, Roy and Arturo. Antonio San Martin Y Estrada is my 6x great grandfather. I am curious as to how he is related to you? Also, did you find information for his family in Jalpa?

Happy Holidays

Arturo Gonzales Web Page

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His contact info is included on this page:

http://www.arturogonzalez.com/AG/Research.html

Happy New Year to all
Roy

does anyone know who magdalena fernandez's mother was?

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one day while i was browsing through marriage dispensations, i found one for her son juan jose hernandez. it's in the link below

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de la Torre Family

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I remember seeing it. Ask Amy de la Torre; I believe she she saw it, too

Jose Carlos de Leon

Cuachala

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Juan,

The dish you describe sounds exactly like a recipe my Dad and Aunt taught
me how to make. Only they called it "Mole de Rancho".

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cuachala

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I just sent a posting and forgot to put a subject heading. It should read
"Cuachala". Sorry. Can it be added?
Juan Manuel Carrillo

A Technical Question of the Personal Ancestral File (PAF) use.

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I am trying to print reports (in files) of the data base i have starting with my 6th grand father.

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PAF reports

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Jorge

There could be a couple of issues.

One might be the word processor you are using, or perhaps the version.

If you are using the current PC version of Word, after saving the file, press the ¶ button to show the spaces, paragraph marks, and so on. You should then see the control codes for building the index if you are using Word.

Then use the Word command to insert the index. You may have to work with the formatting to make it look nice.

A better way to go would be to use PAF Companion. This does a better job of formatting the reports. You will have to buy this; the PAF and PAF Companion software used to cost about $10 on CD, but I think you can also down load it for the same price.

PAF Companion launches either from within PAF, or can be run separately.

PAF Companion also prints nice charts. I have made charts as large as 3 ft x 3 ft, saved them as pdf files and then had them printed on a large format printer at Kinko and the UPS Store.

PAF and PAF Companion are not as sophisticated as the newer software (and there is not a MAC version that works like the PC version), but for $10 it is hard to beat.

On the MAC, this software runs OK on Virtual PC, but is only a little slower.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Muchas Gracias

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Gerorge
Thank you for the tips and more. I will tray them. Have a wonderful new year.

Jorge Elias
Miami, FL

Feliciana Ramires Rincon de Chavez Jurr..San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco

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Merry Christmas everyone!

Conde of Hacienda San Mateo, Valaparaiso, Zacatecas Mexico wishes all of you a Colonial Christmas

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The Conde of Hacienda of San Mateo, Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico wishes all of you a Colonial Merry Christmas:

http://imageshack.us/a/img571/1548/condesanmateovalparaiso.jpg

Chicken With Oranges

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I am interested in that recipe. My ancestors are from San Juan de los Lagos, and I don't have any recipes from that area. Please share. It does sound Spanish, with the almonds and all.

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Chicken With Oranges

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Here is a recipe I found online:

http://www.canalcocina.es/receta/pollo-la-naranja-con-almendras

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:44:04 -0800
> From: alice_wissing@yahoo.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Chicken With Oranges
>
> I am interested in that recipe. My ancestors are from San Juan de los Lagos, and I don't have any recipes from that area. Please share. It does sound Spanish, with the almonds and all.

Chicken with oranges

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Alice I emailed you the recipe please let me know if you get it.

Chicken with oranges

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Could you e-mail me the recipe too? Thanks,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: rmcneal103@msn.com
> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 06:14:41 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Chicken with oranges
>
> Alice I emailed you the recipe please let me know if you get it.

Ricardo Puente

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Hello Emilie,

I am looking for descendants and ancestors of Ricardo Puente - I think
it's Ricardo Obispo de la Puente born about 1783 presumeably in
Zacatecas although one record says Piedras Moradas. He was married to
Simona de la Cruz (Alemán?) who seems to have used several surnames.
Children are some or all of the following: Diego Antonio, Narciso,
Gregoria, Deonicia, Gregorio, Francisco, and Juan Bautista, all born
in various parts of Zacatecas and San Luis Potosí including San
Sebastián Venado SLP, Matancillas Zac, San Miguel Mezquitic SLP, San
Matías Sierra de Pinos Zac, San Gerónimo Moctezuma SLP.

My particular ancestor is Diego Antonio de la Puente. His children
were born in Chorillo Sombrerete Zac, Tecomates Río Verde SLP,
Matancillas, and probably Ojuelos Jalisco. The whole family seems to
be scattered around a lot and I suspect they worked in the mines.

If anyone recognizes any of these names I'd like to hear from you.
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Ricardo Puente/ Puente Y-DNA?

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Well this looks like the same couple since the location is right but the
date of 1770 makes born in 1783 seem not correct especially since several of
the children you named were born between 1775-1791:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20446-45872-60?cc=1860864…
1680507

Film 0707980v4pp5,6 image 13

Please keep me in the loop on this research as I'd like to see if this
family of Puente might be related to my Puente's line which also had a
connection to Sombrerete during the same time period:

Ancestors of Jose Cipriano Puente Sanchez

Generation 1

1. Jose Cipriano Puente Sanchez1, 2, son of Justo Puente Placencia and
Maria Josefa Gregoria Sanchez Temino was born about 17883. He married Maria
Eduarda Torres Marquez, daughter of Pedro Torres and Maria_Gertrudis
Marquez. She was born about 1789. She died on 03 Oct 1825 in Santa Maria de
Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico4. He married Maria de m Luz Ensiso Romero on 18
May 1826 in Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico5, daughter of Pedro
Ensiso and Maria Coronada Romero.

Generation 2

2. Justo Puente Placencia1, 6, son of Antonio Puente and Anna Placencia was
born about 1749 in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico7. He married Maria Josefa
Gregoria Sanchez Temino on 18 Dec 1793 in Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico.

3. Maria Josefa Gregoria Sanchez Temino1, daughter of Antonio Sanchez
and Maria_Guadalupe Temino was born about 1754 in Fresnillo, Zacatecas,
Mexico8.

Maria Josefa Gregoria Sanchez Temino and Justo Puente Placencia had the
following children:

1. i. Jose Cipriano Puente Sanchez was born about 17883. He married
Maria Eduarda Torres Marquez, daughter of Pedro Torres and Maria_Gertrudis
Marquez. She was born about 1789. She died on 03 Oct 1825 in Santa Maria de
Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico4. He married Maria de m Luz Ensiso Romero on 18
May 1826 in Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico5, daughter of Pedro
Ensiso and Maria Coronada Romero.

ii. Juan Ygnacio Puente Sanchez was born on 24 Jun 1794 in Sombrerete,
Zacatecas.

iii. Jose Agapito de la Trinidad Puente Sanchez was born on 09 Mar 1798
in Sombrerete, Zacatecas.

iv. Mariano Bentura Puente Sanchez9 was born on 18 Nov 1799 in
Sombrerete, Zacatecas. He married Maria Guadalupe Ramirez Torres, daughter
of Ygnacio Ramirez Resa and Maria Mathiana Torres Marquez.

v. Maria Gertrudis Puente Sanchez10 was born about 180711. She married
Jose Antonio Ochoa Marquez, son of Jose Juan Ochoa and Maria Josefa Marquez.

Generation 3

4. Antonio Puente was born between 1700-1735 in possibly Zacatecas,
Zacatecas, Mexico. He married Anna Placencia.

5. Anna Placencia was born between 1710-1735 in possibly Zacatecas,
Zacatecas, Mexico.

Anna Placencia and Antonio Puente had the following child:

2. i. Justo Puente Placencia was born about 1749 in Zacatecas,
Zacatecas, Mexico7. He married Maria Josefa Gregoria Sanchez Temino on 18
Dec 1793 in Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico, daughter of Antonio Sanchez and
Maria_Guadalupe Temino. She was born about 1754 in Fresnillo, Zacatecas,
Mexico8. He married Maria_Francisca Castaneda.

6. Antonio Sanchez was born in possibly Fresnillo, Zacatecas, Mexico.
He married

Maria_Guadalupe Temino.

7. Maria_Guadalupe Temino was born in possibly Fresnillo, Zacatecas,
Mexico.

Maria_Guadalupe Temino and Antonio Sanchez had the following child:

3. i. Maria Josefa Gregoria Sanchez Temino was born about 1754 in
Fresnillo, Zacatecas, Mexico8. She married Justo Puente Placencia on 18 Dec
1793 in Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico, son of Antonio Puente and Anna
Placencia. He was born about 1749 in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico7.

Sources

Sources (con't)

1 LDS Film; Bautismos; Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico,
1158273v4(1Feb1819). Baptism record for Josse Cecilio Puente-parents: Josse
Sipriano Puente y Maria Lugarda de la Torre. Abuelos Paternos: Justo Puente
y Josefa Sanchez. Abuelos Maternos: Pedro de la Torre y Maria Gertrudis
Marquez.
2 LDS Film; Bautismos; Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico,
0443686p102/601(24July1870). Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico; Baptism record for
Jose Trinidad Puente-parents: Juan Jose Puente y Micaela Romero. Paternal
grandparents: Cipriano Puente y Maria Luz Enciso. Maternal grandparents:
Felix Romero y Barbara Almeida.

3 LDS Film; Matrimonios; Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico,
1158281v2p127. Marriage record for Jose Maria Torres and Maria Guadalupe
Diaz. Cipriano Puente is one of the testators and is listed as being 49
years old.

4 LDS Film; Difuntos; Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico,
1158292(3Oct1825). Death record for Maria Eduarda de la Torre, 36 years old
daughter of Pedro Torres y Maria Gertrudis Marquez.

5 LDS Film; Matrimonios; Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico,
1158281(18May1826). Marriage record for Cipriano Puente (viudo de Eduarda
Torres) and Maria de la Luz Enciso (Pedro Ensiso y Corona Romero).

6 LDS Film, 0443677v17(7Jul1802). Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico; Baptism
record for Maria Ramona Puente-parents: Mariano Puente y Maria Guadalupe
Ramirez. Grandparents: Justo Puente y Maria Josefa Sanchez.

7 LDS Film; Padrone; Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico,
0168809. Padron (Census) of 1817 for the Colotlan Jurisdiction of Santa
Maria de Los Angeles. Justo's age listed as 68 - Josefa's as 63.

8 LDS Film; Padrone, Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico,
0168809. Padron (Census) of 1817 for the Colotlan Jurisdiction of Santa
Maria de Los Angeles. Justo's age listed as 68 - Josefa's as 63.

9 LDS Film, 0443677v17(7Jul1802). Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico; Baptism
record for Maria Ramona Puente-parents: Mariano Puente/Maria Guadalupe
Ramirez.

10 LDS Film; Bautismos; Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico,
1158274v5(1Oct1826). Baptism record for Maria Damiana Ochoa-parents: Jose
Antonio Ochoa y Maria Gertrudis Puente. Paternal Grandparents: Jose Juan de
Ochoa y Maria Josefa Marquez. Maternal Grandparents: Justo Puente y Maria
Josefa Sanchez.

11 film 168809 1817 Census of Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco,
Mexico. film 168809 1817 Census of Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco,
Mexico states that Maria Gertrudis Puente was 10 years of age.

============

On another topic do you happen to know anyone who currently wears the
surname Puente or Puentes who is related to your line of Puente? If so let's
do a YDNA check with my results.

Take care and Merry Christmas,

Joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Armstrong
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:39 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ricardo Puente
>
> Hello Emilie,
>
> I am looking for descendants and ancestors of Ricardo Puente - I think
it's Ricardo
> Obispo de la Puente born about 1783 presumeably in Zacatecas
although one record
> says Piedras Moradas. He was married to Simona de la Cruz (Alemán?) who
seems to
> have used several surnames.
> Children are some or all of the following: Diego Antonio, Narciso,
Gregoria, Deonicia,
> Gregorio, Francisco, and Juan Bautista, all born in various parts of
Zacatecas and San
> Luis Potosí including San Sebastián Venado SLP, Matancillas Zac, San
Miguel
> Mezquitic SLP, San Matías Sierra de Pinos Zac, San Gerónimo Moctezuma SLP.
>
> My particular ancestor is Diego Antonio de la Puente. His children
were born in
> Chorillo Sombrerete Zac, Tecomates Río Verde SLP, Matancillas, and
probably
> Ojuelos Jalisco. The whole family seems to be scattered around a lot and I
suspect they
> worked in the mines.
>
> If anyone recognizes any of these names I'd like to hear from you.
> --
> Best regards,
> Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
>

Historical Foods

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Joseph

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I've never heard of this dish. Sounds more cosmopolitan than ranchero. Probably is a Spanish/Moorish dish. Joe Rubio

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My grandmother use to make a dish called pollo con naranjas, it was great with chicken, oranges, onion, almonds and the spices were cinamon, cloves, salt pepper and saffron. my mother told that this dish was something that her grandmother also made.

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From the ingredients, this appears to be a spanish dish, meaning from Spain. Where did your mother grow up and where was her grandmother from?

Alicia,
Northern California

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From: "rmcneal103@msn.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:33 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Historical Foods

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My mother grew up in the U.S. her mother's family was from San Juan de los lagos, San Julian and Union de San Antonio all in Jalisco.

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Alicia,

I thought the same thing, that this dish is Spanish, probably the southern part of Spain where Arabs are numerous and they cook a lot with oranges (Valencias?) and almonds. I have read that in some parts of Mexico, people brought Moorish-inspired foods to the New World.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:13:05 -0800
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Historical Foods
>
> From the ingredients, this appears to be a spanish dish, meaning from Spain. Where did your mother grow up and where was her grandmother from?
>
> Alicia,
> Northern California
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "rmcneal103@msn.com"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:33 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Historical Foods
>
> My grandmother use to make a dish called pollo con naranjas, it was great with chicken, oranges, onion, almonds and the spices were cinamon, cloves, salt pepper and saffron. my mother told that this dish was something the her grandmother also made.

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My mother and father met and married in San Francisco, CA. They were both
young people arriving with a parent: my mother with her widowed mother when
she was eight in 1920 and my father with my grandfather in 1925 when my
father was sixteen. After having two daughters my father returned in 1940
with the family to his hometown of Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco. I was
born there along with my younger sister. It was there that my mother
learned to make Cuachala. I miss my mother's making of this special dish
(we do have her handwritten recipe somewhere). Cuachala has as its main
ingredients (as I remember), gallina, boiled and shredded (she said never a
pollo, always a hen), masa, chili flakes and the rest I do not remember. It
is served in bowls as a thick broth (like atole). She claimed it was a dish
inigenous to Tamazula and the region. I don't know if that part is a fact.
Any other cuachala aficionados?
Juan Carrillo

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Juan,

I never heard of this dish (chicken stew, southern Jalisco style). It sounds good. I looked for a recipe and I found this one:

http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/3857-jalisco-style-chicken-stew-cuac…

I will be making this soon.

Thanks,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:25:13 -0800
> From: rcafartista@gmail.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Historical foods
>
> My mother and father met and married in San Francisco, CA. They were both
> young people arriving with a parent: my mother with her widowed mother when
> she was eight in 1920 and my father with my grandfather in 1925 when my
> father was sixteen. After having two daughters my father returned in 1940
> with the family to his hometown of Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco. I was
> born there along with my younger sister. It was there that my mother
> learned to make Cuachala. I miss my mother's making of this special dish
> (we do have her handwritten recipe somewhere). Cuachala has as its main
> ingredients (as I remember), gallina, boiled and shredded (she said never a
> pollo, always a hen), masa, chili flakes and the rest I do not remember. It
> is served in bowls as a thick broth (like atole). She claimed it was a dish
> inigenous to Tamazula and the region. I don't know if that part is a fact.
> Any other cuachala aficionados?
> Juan Carrillo

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Juan I just noticed you said you grew up in Tamazula.. Did you know any of the Mendez Family, they had a casa de cambio there. I visited them in 2003 but they were very afraid of us since we were strangers.. When I got back home I found out he had been kidnapped for ransom a while before.. his name was Ramon Mendez married to Edeina Torres, they my gr-grandmothers family. What a small world again!
Linda Castanon-Long

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From: Emilie Garcia
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Historical foods

Juan,

I never heard of this dish (chicken stew, southern Jalisco style). It sounds good. I looked for a recipe and I found this one:

http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/3857-jalisco-style-chicken-stew-cuac…

I will be making this soon.

Thanks,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Merry Chirstmas & Happy New Year

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To all my new found cousins and friends that share the love of learning about their ancestors,

Tino and I wish you "all," a Very Merry Christmas and A Happy and Healthy New Year...

I will be

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Felis Natal

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Pat,

Thank you pat and thanks to all the members who have helped with my family ancestry appreciate it alot.Merry Christmas=]

Merry Chirstmas & Happy New Year

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and a very MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU! and a Safe HAPPY NEW YEAR!
It does seem like we are all "primos" and closely related....
Thank you Pat. Enjoy!

Ann M. Gutierrez

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From: Pat Corbera
To: Nuestros Ranchos
Sent: Sat, December 22, 2012 12:43:39 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Merry Chirstmas & Happy New Year

To all my new found cousins and friends that share the love of learning about
their ancestors,

Tino and I wish you "all," a Very Merry Christmas and A Happy and Healthy New
Year...

I will be back online after the holidays...

May the Good Lord Bless you and your families!

Hugs and Love,

Pat and Tino Corbera

Family Tree DNA has teamed up with MyHeritage

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Just received this email. Is any one in the group enroll on this site?

Zacatecas to digitalize archives

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http://ntrzacatecas.com/2012/12/04/inicia-digitalizacion-del-archivo-hi…

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where can i access the records they have digitzied already?

Archivos de Zacatecas

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Sanchez-Castellanos

Gracias y estamos a la espera de que esos archivos sea n publico y si son on line mejor.

Conflict of information

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What do we do when we find that, for example, the parents named in one document are entirely different from those in another (I don't mean the difference between Jose and Josef, but entirely different

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Zapvive

Were you able to match up the ages of the bride and groom at their marriage? Does it make sense for the year the child was born. In other words, they weren't 80 when the child was born. Sometimes when you have such discrepancies you have to look at other things. You can trust marriage records more than birth because you know the "novios" were there and they gave much more reliable information. Your information was so far off, I wouldn't add it till I had more info to confirm. I think Angelina's advise is right on. I was just about to add an ancestor to my tree today because I thought I already had the parents on my tree. It was a Josefa Mier and Alejo Berumen. I had a Maria Josefa Berumen and Manuel Berumen. I figured he could have been Manuel Alejo Berumen, then I realized they were about 100 years apart. You find this happens often.

Barbara
On Dec 16, 2012, at 4:21 PM, zapvive1@msn.com wrote:

> What do we do when we find that, for example, the parents named in one document are entirely different from those in another (I don't mean the difference between Jose and Josef, but entirely different people). I have a couple, Jose Vicente Gomes and Maria Joaquina Franco, who when they married gave there parents' names as: Groom: Francisco Gregorio Gomez and Maria Antonio Martin del Campo Bride: Manuel Julian Jimenez and Gertrudes Garcia de Alba
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45281-16?
>
> Recently I found a baptism for their child which mentions the grandparents as:
>
> Paternal: Vicente Gomez and Anna Maria Garcia de Alba
> Maternal: Blas Franco and Angela Baldivia
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18457-88727-95?cc=1874591&wc…
>
> Any suggestions?

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Barbara you give no dates or location for your information but I have a couple of Mier Bustamonte records in Jerez, Zac. The second one speaks of a marriage dispensation 4th degree so I would hope there is a record in la sagrada mitra for it..
Linda in Boulder City, Nv.

marriage 1 March 1783 in Jerez, ZacJose Francisco Berume Espanol from la Estancia de San Nicolas
parents: Don Josef Miguel Berume and Dona Josefa de Mier y Bustamonte
with Maria Magdalena de Bera Espanola from la Estancia de San Nicolas
parents: Jose de Vera and Maria Ygnacia Quinonez
source: 0440060 Jerez marriage
page 322 Family search online pilot program.
marriage 10 Feb 1783 in Jerez, Zac
Josef Andres Felis de Arellano Espanol from San Nicolas del Rincon
widower of Maria Felisiana Casas or Carlos 3 months
with Anna Maria Berume Espanola from San Nicolas del Rincon
parents: Josef Miguel Berume and Dona Josefa de Mier y Bustamonte
marriage dispensation 4 degree igual
source: 0440060 Jerez marriage
page 320 Family search online pilot program
.
.
.

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From: Barbara Andrews
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Conflict of information

Zapvive

Barbara
On Dec 16, 2012, at 4:21 PM, zapvive1@msn.com wrote:

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Erlinda,

I have a Joseph Francisco Berumen b1761, father Miquel Berumen, La Estancia Tepetongo, mother Da. Maria Josefa Mier, originaria de ciudad Guadalupe en el puesto del Calcalote.
Very close, but I don't have Francisco's spouse yet. I have spent almost 75% of my time trying to find my 5X maternal grandfather.

On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:09 AM, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

> Barbara you give no dates or location for your information but I have a couple of Mier Bustamonte records in Jerez, Zac. The second one speaks of a marriage dispensation 4th degree so I would hope there is a record in la sagrada mitra for it..
> Linda in Boulder City, Nv.
>
> marriage 1 March 1783 in Jerez, ZacJose Francisco Berume Espanol from la Estancia de San Nicolas
> parents: Don Josef Miguel Berume and Dona Josefa de Mier y Bustamonte
> with Maria Magdalena de Bera Espanola from la Estancia de San Nicolas
> parents: Jose de Vera and Maria Ygnacia Quinonez
> source: 0440060 Jerez marriage
> page 322 Family search online pilot program.
> marriage 10 Feb 1783 in Jerez, Zac
> Josef Andres Felis de Arellano Espanol from San Nicolas del Rincon
> widower of Maria Felisiana Casas or Carlos 3 months
> with Anna Maria Berume Espanola from San Nicolas del Rincon
> parents: Josef Miguel Berume and Dona Josefa de Mier y Bustamonte
> marriage dispensation 4 degree igual
> source: 0440060 Jerez marriage
> page 320 Family search online pilot program
> .
> .
> .
>
> ________________________________
> From: Barbara Andrews
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 8:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Conflict of information
>
> Zapvive
>
> Were you able to match up the ages of the bride and groom at their marriage? Does it make sense for the year the child was born. In other words, they weren't 80 when the child was born. Sometimes when you have such discrepancies you have to look at other things. You can trust marriage records more than birth because you know the "novios" were there and they gave much more reliable information. Your information was so far off, I wouldn't add it till I had more info to confirm. I think Angelina's advise is right on. I was just about to add an ancestor to my tree today because I thought I already had the parents on my tree. It was a Josefa Mier and Alejo Berumen. I had a Maria Josefa Berumen and Manuel Berumen. I figured he could have been Manuel Alejo Berumen, then I realized they were about 100 years apart. You find this happens often.
>
> Barbara
> On Dec 16, 2012, at 4:21 PM, zapvive1@msn.com wrote:
>
>> What do we do when we find that, for example, the parents named in one document are entirely different from those in another (I don't mean the difference between Jose and Josef, but entirely different people). I have a couple, Jose Vicente Gomes and Maria Joaquina Franco, who when they married gave there parents' names as: Groom: Francisco Gregorio Gomez and Maria Antonio Martin del Campo Bride: Manuel Julian Jimenez and Gertrudes Garcia de Alba
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-45281-16?
>>
>> Recently I found a baptism for their child which mentions the grandparents as:
>>
>> Paternal: Vicente Gomez and Anna Maria Garcia de Alba
>> Maternal: Blas Franco and Angela Baldivia
>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18457-88727-95?cc=1874591&wc…
>>
>> Any suggestions?

Conflict of information

Comment

Zapvive1,

Keep in mind that a lot of the times the mother was not present during the
baptism since she was still recovering from childbirth and it was considered
a necessity to have the child baptized within days of birth; therefore, it
is common for mistakes to happen with the names of the maternal
grandparents. In this particular case, it looks like the scribe might have
mixed up the maternal grandmother (Gertrudis Garcia de Alba) with the
paternal grandmother (Maria Antonia ...) and came up with a new name (Anna
Maria Garcia de Alba). In any case, I would look for other children from
this marriage and try to resolve the difference in names that way. The other
possibility is that you are dealing with another couple...

Good Luck,
-Angelina-

Conflict of information

Comment

I would also look at the records right before and after, just in case of an
error. Its rare, but twice this year when Indexing I noticed that names
seem to have been "borrowed" from the record before or after, suggesting an
error by the scribe.

Raquel

Identifying Film Number from Link

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Joseph,

This might help, hope so.

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcatalog-s…

On Dec 16, 2012, at 7:52 P

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Identifying Film Number from Link

Comment

You can access the film numbers by clicking the "Catalog" option at the top
of FamilySearch.com home page. It looks to me like it was part of film #
1156615. I don't quite understand why, if one clicks the film number,
presumably to order it, it then says it does not exist.

Raquel

>
>
>

Juan de Tiscareño y su esposa Ýsabel Romo de Vibar y Rangel

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I have a friend's genealogy well-documented from online images of the original registers (from FamilySearch) through Ýsabel de Tiscareño Romo de Vibar (bau. 04 de agosto de 1675), "...

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Juan de Tiscareño y su esposa Ýsabel Romo de Vibar y Rangel

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I also descend from Juan de Tiscareño and Isabel Romo de Vibar y Rangel. Juan was the son of Luis Tiscareño de Molina y Márquez and Lorenza Ruíz de Esparza Navarro Gabay (Gabadi). This is proven in the dispensas of two of his great-grandchildren that married great grandchildren of his sisters Elvira Márquez and Francisca Gabadi.

Joseph Tiscareño Aguilera con María Dolores de Cobos y Flores de la Torre

http://goo.gl/WPhr3

Dispensa 168054 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-16200-82?cc=1874591&wc…

Tomasa Carreon Muñoz con Joseph Luebana Delgado

http://goo.gl/lzwSR

Dispensa 168608 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-20770-45?cc=1874591&wc…

Marriage of Elvira Márquez that names her parents as Luis de Tiscareño and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-52414-17?cc=1410092&…

Marriage of Francisca Gabadi that names her parents as Luis de Tiscareño and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-53111-15?cc=1410092&…

Isabel Romo de Vibar y Rangel died in 15 June 1692 and Juan Tiscareño remarried to Juana de Orozco. In the Información Matrimonial Volume 1693: image 198
11 Mar 1693 he states to be 63 years old. This means he was born about 1630 if his statement is correct.

Saludos
Armando

Two Juan de Tiscareños ...

Comment

Hola, Armando,

Thank you for the information in your post; I was able to follow the links and confirm everything you said, except for the Información Matrimoniál 1693:image198 for the second marriage of Juan Tiscareño to Juana de Orozco, which I did not see on that volume; I do have their marriage, however (film 299422 image 168).

My question now become one of what appears to be two Juan de Tiscareños: the one we are following and the other, baptised 12 de nob 1638 (film 299422 images 69–70), son of Luis de los Reyes and Juana de Vargas (who took the surname Tiscareño about 1654). For now, that is a puzzle to me.

Your proof of the parentage of 'our' Juan de Tiscareño is a good bit of detective work; well-done!

Saludos,
Lawrence

CORRECTION: I did, in fact, find the información matrimonial (image198); in fact, I had already found it but did not realize its importance. Sorry for the confusion!

Two Juan de Tiscareños ...

Comment

Hola, Lawrence.

As far as my investigation goes I had a lot of help from numerous people. Some was from posts on NR, trees in Geneanet.org, and some from people that don't participate in the previous two.

The other Juan de Tiscareño is talked about in a thread that concerns him specifically. Bill Figueroa identified Juana de Vargas (aka Juana de Tiscareño) as the illegitimate daughter of Luis de Tiscareño. The proof is in the testament in 1675 by Luis de los Reyes transcribed by Bill Figueroa.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17759

What records do you have of Juan de Reyes (alias Juan de Tiscareño) other than his baptism?

Saludos
Armando

Records for Juan de Reyes (alias Juan de Tiscareño)

Comment

Hola, Armando,

Unfortunately, the only record I have for Juan is his baptism in 1638 in AGS; sorry.

Saludos,
Lawrence

familia de alba (san miguel el alto)

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he estado por un tiempo buscando el linaje de mi primer apeido (DE ALBA)he encontrado documentacion hasta el anyo 1796 donde nacio la nina ma.

Manuel Macias y María Inés Santibañez (San Juan de los Lagos)

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Does anyone have marriage information on Manuel Macias and María Inés Santibañez who had children in San Juan de los Lagos between 1822 and 1834?

Help (Barbara Andrews)

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Hello Barbara,

In response to your question below to Joseph, I learned that those of us who use "gmail" will not see their posts when submitted although everyone else will.

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Help (Barbara Andrews)

Comment

Hi Josie,, thank you so much for that info,, explains a lot!

Gracias

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 3, 2012, at 3:57 PM, "Josie T. Trevino" wrote:

> Hello Barbara,
>
> In response to your question below to Joseph, I learned that those of us who use "gmail" will not see their posts when submitted although everyone else will. Does not make sense to me but that is apparently how "gmail works"..... :-)
>
> Good luck!
>
> Josie
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:30:06 -0800
> From: Barbara Andrews
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help
> Message-ID: <2C1B611E-00FA-4D8B-B515-6299C4475736@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hello Joseph,
>
> I wanted to find out if I've been doing something wrong. I posted a suggestion to the Subject "Help" posted by Laura Gonzalez on Nuestros Ranchos website. I noticed that you emailed all the responses except mine. I was wondering if I did something wrong when I responded? Not the first time this has happen, so I thought I may have sent it incorrectly.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara Andrews
>

Help (Barbara Andrews)

Comment

Wow, I had noticed some problems with gmail, but I tought it was only me!

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Barbara Andrews <
andrewsbarbara1250@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Josie,, thank you so much for that info,, explains a lot!
>
> Gracias
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 3, 2012, at 3:57 PM, "Josie T. Trevino"
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Barbara,
> >
> > In response to your question below to Joseph, I learned that those of us
> who use "gmail" will not see their posts when submitted although everyone
> else will. Does not make sense to me but that is apparently how "gmail
> works"..... :-)
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Josie
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:30:06 -0800
> > From: Barbara Andrews
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help
> > Message-ID: <2C1B611E-00FA-4D8B-B515-6299C4475736@gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Hello Joseph,
> >
> > I wanted to find out if I've been doing something wrong. I posted a
> suggestion to the Subject "Help" posted by Laura Gonzalez on Nuestros
> Ranchos website. I noticed that you emailed all the responses except mine.
> I was wondering if I did something wrong when I responded? Not the first
> time this has happen, so I thought I may have sent it incorrectly.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Barbara Andrews
> >
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Tresalva/Tresalvo

Comment

in doing research on the records from Tamazula, Jalisco I'm finding the word tresalva or tresalvo. Can someone tell me what it means since my translation dictionary has no answer.
Linda in Boulder City

Tresalva/Tresalvo

Comment

Linda, I know this one! The term actually has its roots in equestrian
history. A tresalvo originally referred to a horse with three white feet. In
the case of church record it refers to a mostly "white" or European
bloodline.

-Angelina-

Tresalva/Tresalvo

Comment

thank you Angelina, what a strange way to describe people! I guess she was "whiter" than a Mestiza but not white enough to be Spaniard!
Linda

________________________________
From: "angelina@markleweb.com"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tresalva/Tresalvo

Linda, I know this one! The term actually has its roots in equestrian history. A tresalvo originally referred to a horse with three white feet. In the case of church record it refers to a mostly "white" or European bloodline.

-Angelina-

Tresalva/Tresalvo

Comment

Linda,

What records are you going through in Tamazula?

Daniel Mendez

Tresalva/Tresalvo

Comment

Hi Daniel, funny you should ask.. I went back to working marriages 1681... 226026.. I've been working on my Dads family in Zacatecas so this is the first time I've returned to Jalisco in a while.
It appears all is well in Brazil.. you look happy and confident in your photos on Facebook.
Daniel, my cousin and I were contacted by a Cammi Amescua looking for information.. she has parents and brother for Juan Mendez/Juana Torres Mendez, you never gave me the information taking that family line back from Francisco's records. Did she contact you?
take care, Linda

________________________________
From: Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino
To: Nuestros Ranchos
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tresalva/Tresalvo

Linda,

What records are you going through in Tamazula?

Daniel Mendez

Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

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Hi Raquel,

In checking the pedigree charts that you shared on NR, I believe that I have established a link with your ancestors Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y Geronima de Benavides.

Gonzalo Yanez del

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Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Comment

Hi Pat,

In your message to Raquel you mentioned that there is a link between Gonzalo
Yáñez del Monte and Ma. Florencia Yáñez. Was she the daughter of Gonzalo
Yáñez and Gerónima de Benavides? Are there any records I could check online
for Ma. Florencia Yáñez?

Thanks,
BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Corbera"
To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:52 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

> Hi Raquel,
>
> In checking the pedigree charts that you shared on NR, I believe that I
> have established a link with your ancestors Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y
> Geronima de Benavides.
>
> Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y Geronima de Benavides are my husband Florentino
> (Tino) L Corbera's 9th Great Grandparents.
>
> Tino's Maternal Line:
> Mother Ma Refugia Perez-->Ma Andrea Aguirre Andrade-->Ma Senovia
> Aguirre-->Jose Timoteo Aguirre-->Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre-->Ma
> Phelipa Gonzalez Contreras-->Melchora Losano Gonzalez-->Bernardo
> Gonzalez-->Luis Gonzalez Dominguez-->Ma Florencia Yanez-->Gonzalo Yanez
> del Monte y Geronima de Benavides (9th GGParents)
>
> Tino's Maternal Grandfather
> Mother Ma Refugia Perez-->Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez-->Ma Aniseta Losano
> Aguirre-->Jose Miguel Aguirre-->Joseph Joaquin Aguirre-->Ma Phelipa
> Gonzalez Contreras-->Melchora Losano Gonzalez-->Bernardo Gonzalez-->Luis
> Gonzalez Dominguez-->Maria Florencia Yanez-->Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y
> Geronima de Benavides (9th GGParents)
>
> There's another line from Tino's Maternal Grandfather:
> Mother Ma Refugia Perez -->Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez-->Jose Victoriano
> Rodriguez Perez-->Maria Ynes Rodriguez-->Ma Rosalia Sandoval-->Juan Manuel
> Sandoval--> Juana Josepha Gonzalez-->Joseph Gonzalez Losano-->Bernardo
> Gonzalez-->Luis Gonzalez Dominguez-->Ma Florencia Yanez-->Gonzalo Yanes
> del Monte y Geronima de Benavides (10thGGParents)
>
> If I'm reading your chart correctly your ancestor is Lorenzo Yanez del
> Monte son of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y Geronima de Benavides. I have
> Lorenzo Yanez del Monte(Tino's 8th GreatGrandUncle) married to Maria
> Rodriguez de la Mora (she daughter of Juan Rodriguez de la Mora y Ysabel
> Delgadillo. Maria is an aunt by marriage, but most likely we may have
> another connection via the Mora and Delgadillo lines, I have not link
> those two lines as of yet).
>
> Once we establish this is a correct linking I can then send you an
> ahnentafel chart.
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA

Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Comment

Bill,
I only had my ancestors, Lorenzo de Yanez del Monte and his sister,
Jacinta de Benavides (or Olivo), listed as children of Gonzalo Yanez del
Monte and Geronima de Benavides, but many times I just haven't listed or
looked for siblings. I see on pg 545 of *Sagrada MItra...*, by Maria de la
Luz Montejano Hilton, entry 2720, dated 26 Sep, 1690 from Tepatitlan de
Morelos, that the gpts cited are Lorenzo Yanez and his sister, Florencia
Yanez. The connection is Lorenzo Yanez>Geromina de Benavides, wife of
SimonTorres>Lorenzo Torres (pretenso), and Florencia Yanez>Luis
Gonzalez>Maria Gonzalez (pretensa).
Raquel

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Bill Figueroa wrote:

> Hi Pat,
>
> In your message to Raquel you mentioned that there is a link between
> Gonzalo Yáñez del Monte and Ma. Florencia Yáñez. Was she the daughter of
> Gonzalo Yáñez and Gerónima de Benavides? Are there any records I could
> check online for Ma. Florencia Yáñez?
>
> Thanks,
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Corbera" <
> PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>
> To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:52 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz
>
>
>
> Hi Raquel,
>>
>> In checking the pedigree charts that you shared on NR, I believe that I
>> have established a link with your ancestors Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y
>> Geronima de Benavides.
>>
>> Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y Geronima de Benavides are my husband Florentino
>> (Tino) L Corbera's 9th Great Grandparents.
>>
>> Tino's Maternal Line:
>> Mother Ma Refugia Perez-->Ma Andrea Aguirre Andrade-->Ma Senovia
>> Aguirre-->Jose Timoteo Aguirre-->Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre-->Ma
>> Phelipa Gonzalez Contreras-->Melchora Losano Gonzalez-->Bernardo
>> Gonzalez-->Luis Gonzalez Dominguez-->Ma Florencia Yanez-->Gonzalo Yanez del
>> Monte y Geronima de Benavides (9th GGParents)
>>
>> Tino's Maternal Grandfather
>> Mother Ma Refugia Perez-->Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez-->Ma Aniseta Losano
>> Aguirre-->Jose Miguel Aguirre-->Joseph Joaquin Aguirre-->Ma Phelipa
>> Gonzalez Contreras-->Melchora Losano Gonzalez-->Bernardo Gonzalez-->Luis
>> Gonzalez Dominguez-->Maria Florencia Yanez-->Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y
>> Geronima de Benavides (9th GGParents)
>>
>> There's another line from Tino's Maternal Grandfather:
>> Mother Ma Refugia Perez -->Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez-->Jose Victoriano
>> Rodriguez Perez-->Maria Ynes Rodriguez-->Ma Rosalia Sandoval-->Juan Manuel
>> Sandoval--> Juana Josepha Gonzalez-->Joseph Gonzalez Losano-->Bernardo
>> Gonzalez-->Luis Gonzalez Dominguez-->Ma Florencia Yanez-->Gonzalo Yanes
>> del Monte y Geronima de Benavides (10thGGParents)
>>
>> If I'm reading your chart correctly your ancestor is Lorenzo Yanez del
>> Monte son of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y Geronima de Benavides. I have
>> Lorenzo Yanez del Monte(Tino's 8th GreatGrandUncle) married to Maria
>> Rodriguez de la Mora (she daughter of Juan Rodriguez de la Mora y Ysabel
>> Delgadillo. Maria is an aunt by marriage, but most likely we may have
>> another connection via the Mora and Delgadillo lines, I have not link those
>> two lines as of yet).
>>
>> Once we establish this is a correct linking I can then send you an
>> ahnentafel chart.
>>
>> Pat Silva Corbera
>> Tracy CA
>>
>

Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Comment

Pat,

It does look like your husband and I have multiple connections. I am
wondering about the Aguirre, Contreras, and Gonzalez line, also. We'll
have to explore these.

Raquel

Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Comment

Hi Raquel,

That's great...!!

I'm looking forward to exploring multiple connections with you and other NR members.

I had second thoughts about doing the FamilyFinder (autosomal) testing, but the range relationship and suggested relationship results have lead to new found cousins that are members of NR...Saul Narvarro, Juan Carlos Aguayo Munos
and yourself...

Truly is a very small world...

The first of the new year I will post the names of the individuals that appear on Tino's FF (autosomal) test results, hoping that we find even more cousins on NR...

Pat and Tino Corbera
Tracy, CA USA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raquel Ruiz"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 7:09:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Pat,

It does look like your husband and I have multiple connections. I am
wondering about the Aguirre, Contreras, and Gonzalez line, also. We'll
have to explore these.

Raquel

Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Comment

Pat,

Email me what name you are under for FF., so I can note the relationship

Raquel

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

>
> Hi Raquel,
>
> That's great...!!
>
> I'm looking forward to exploring multiple connections with you and other
> NR members.
>
> I had second thoughts about doing the FamilyFinder (autosomal) testing,
> but the range relationship and suggested relationship results have lead to
> new found cousins that are members of NR...Saul Narvarro, Juan Carlos
> Aguayo Munos
> and yourself...
>
> Truly is a very small world...
>
> The first of the new year I will post the names of the individuals that
> appear on Tino's FF (autosomal) test results, hoping that we find even more
> cousins on NR...
>
> Pat and Tino Corbera
> Tracy, CA USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raquel Ruiz"
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 7:09:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz
>
> Pat,
>
> It does look like your husband and I have multiple connections. I am
> wondering about the Aguirre, Contreras, and Gonzalez line, also. We'll
> have to explore these.
>
> Raquel
>

Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Comment

Requal,

It's my husband Florentino L Corbera...and what names do you monitor for your family on FF ? Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raquel Ruiz"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 11:09:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Pat,

Email me what name you are under for FF., so I can note the relationship

Raquel

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Comment

Pat,

So far I don't have a connection with Saul Navarro, that is not yet, but I do with Juan Carlos Aguayo Muños. Juan Carlos and I connect with at least 4 lines, Aguayo, Muños, Ruiz, Duran and maybe the Olmos line as well. What's Tino's connection to Juan Carlos Aguayo Muños??

Alicia,

San Jose, Ca.

________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Hi Raquel,

That's great...!!

I'm looking forward to exploring multiple connections with you and other NR members.

Truly is a very small world...

The first of the new year I will post the names of the individuals that appear on Tino's FF (autosomal) test results, hoping that we find even more cousins on NR...

Pat and Tino Corbera
Tracy, CA USA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raquel Ruiz"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 7:09:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Pat,

It does look like your husband and I have multiple connections. I am
wondering about the Aguirre, Contreras, and Gonzalez line, also. We'll
have to explore these.

Raquel

Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Comment

Alicia,

Tino's connection to Juan is via their common ancestors Nicolas Yanes Aguirre y Maria Phelipa Gonzalez.

Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 11:12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Pat,

Alicia,

San Jose, Ca.

________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Hi Raquel,

That's great...!!

I'm looking forward to exploring multiple connections with you and other NR members.

Truly is a very small world...

The first of the new year I will post the names of the individuals that appear on Tino's FF (autosomal) test results, hoping that we find even more cousins on NR...

Pat and Tino Corbera
Tracy, CA USA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raquel Ruiz"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 7:09:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Pat,

It does look like your husband and I have multiple connections. I am
wondering about the Aguirre, Contreras, and Gonzalez line, also. We'll
have to explore these.

Raquel

Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Comment

Hi Raquel and Pat,

Thank you for the information you provided. It has been very helpful to me, but has also raised a very important question, which I'll try to explain in the following paragraphs.

When I added Ma. Florencia Yáñez to my database I could not confirm that Lorenzo de Torres and María González Rodríguez (pretensos) were "second cousins". There is a discrepancy between the dispensa and information included in "Genealogías de Nochistlán..." by José Luis Vázquez Rodríguez, which seems to indicate that Lorenzo de Torres was "second cousin once removed" of María González Rodríguez. The original dispensa is online at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18427-12933-38?cc=1874591&wc… and the information extracted by María de la Luz Montejano on pg 545, entry 2720, of her book "Sagrada Mitra...". Both of them agree, but notice what María González stated in her declaration:

"habrá quince o dies y seis meses, poco mas o menos, que vino el susodicho (Lorenzo de Torres) de la feligresía de Nochistlán a vivir a dicho Rancho del Salitral, en donde vive la contrayente, y que es de esta Juridicción, y que debajo de palabra de casamiento que le dió el contrayente, le quitó a la susodicha su virginidad, y que aunque oyó decir a algunas personas que eran deudos (relatives), no supo que era en grado prohibido, y que ahora supo por noticia cierta que eran deudos en tercer grado de consanguinidad, y que debajo de la dicha palabra de casamiento le debe su honor al pretenso, y que de él parió, y tiene una niña, y que no tiene ningún otro parentesco...." etc. etc.

In chapters 27, 38, 66 and 70 of "Genealogías de Nochistlán..." José Luis Vázquez Rodríguez confirms that Lorenzo and Ma. Florencia Yáñez were brother and sister, the children of Gonzalo Yáñez del Monte and Gerónima de Benavides. According to information contained in chapter 66, there were two Luis González Domínguez, the elder identified as "el Viejo", and his son identified as "el Mozo". Luis González Domínguez "el Viejo" was the son of Bernardo González and Florencia Yáñez. He married Ana González de Hermosillo and had several children. Luis González Domínguez "el Mozo" married Ana Antonia Rodríguez de Hijar y Mesa. They were the parents of María González Rodríguez, pretensa.

So, here is the way I see it:

Lorenzo Yáñez married María Rodríguez de la Mora and had a daughter Gerónima de Benavides, named after her paternal grandmother. This second
Gerónima married Simón de Torres, and had a son Lorenzo de Torres, pretenso, who married María González Rodríguez, pretensa, on 26 Aug 1690 in Tepatitlán.

Ma. Florencia Yáñez married Bernardo González Domínguez (Genealogías de Nochistlán, Chapter 66, pgs 207-208). Bernardo and Florencia had a son Luis González Domínguez (el Viejo) who married Ana González de Hermosillo. Luis and Ana had a son also named Luis González Domínguez (el Mozo) who married Ana Antonia Rodríguez de Hijar y Mesa. They were the parents of María González Rodríguez (pretensa).

Based on the foregoing, it appears that Lorenzo Yáñez was the grandfather of Lorenzo de Torres (pretenso) and María Florencia Yáñez was the great-grandmother of María Gonzalez Rodríguez (pretensa). That makes Lorenzo de Torres "second cousin once removed" of María González Rodríguez.

Is it possible that María González didn't realize that her father and grandfather had identical names? She was only 18 years old and had already given birth to her first child when she declared that she "had heard from several people that she and Lorenzo had a blood relationship". I get the impression that she didn't know very much about her ancestors.

I hope someone in this forum can take a look at this and let me know if my interpretation is correct. Although I have found errors in "Genealogías de Nochistlán..." this doesn't seem to be the case. Let me know what you think.

BILL FIGUEROA

(----- Original Message -----
From: "Raquel Ruiz"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Bill Figueroa wrote:

Hi Pat,

In your message to Raquel you mentioned that there is a link between
Gonzalo Yáñez del Monte and Ma. Florencia Yáñez. Was she the daughter of
Gonzalo Yáñez and Gerónima de Benavides? Are there any records I could
check online for Ma. Florencia Yáñez?

Thanks,
BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Corbera" <
PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>
To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:52 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Hi Raquel,

In checking the pedigree charts that you shared on NR, I believe that I
have established a link with your ancestors Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y
Geronima de Benavides.

Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y Geronima de Benavides are my husband Florentino
(Tino) L Corbera's 9th Great Grandparents.

Tino's Maternal Line:
Mother Ma Refugia Perez-->Ma Andrea Aguirre Andrade-->Ma Senovia
Aguirre-->Jose Timoteo Aguirre-->Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre-->Ma
Phelipa Gonzalez Contreras-->Melchora Losano Gonzalez-->Bernardo
Gonzalez-->Luis Gonzalez Dominguez-->Ma Florencia Yanez-->Gonzalo Yanez
del Monte y Geronima de Benavides (9th GGParents)

Tino's Maternal Grandfather
Mother Ma Refugia Perez-->Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez-->Ma Aniseta Losano
Aguirre-->Jose Miguel Aguirre-->Joseph Joaquin Aguirre-->Ma Phelipa
Gonzalez Contreras-->Melchora Losano Gonzalez-->Bernardo Gonzalez-->Luis
Gonzalez Dominguez-->Maria Florencia Yanez-->Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y
Geronima de Benavides (9th GGParents)

There's another line from Tino's Maternal Grandfather:
Mother Ma Refugia Perez -->Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez-->Jose Victoriano
Rodriguez Perez-->Maria Ynes Rodriguez-->Ma Rosalia Sandoval-->Juan
Manuel Sandoval--> Juana Josepha Gonzalez-->Joseph Gonzalez Losano-->Bernardo
Gonzalez-->Luis Gonzalez Dominguez-->Ma Florencia Yanez-->Gonzalo Yanes
del Monte y Geronima de Benavides (10thGGParents)

If I'm reading your chart correctly your ancestor is Lorenzo Yanez del
Monte son of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte y Geronima de Benavides. I have
Lorenzo Yanez del Monte(Tino's 8th GreatGrandUncle) married to Maria
Rodriguez de la Mora (she daughter of Juan Rodriguez de la Mora y Ysabel
Delgadillo. Maria is an aunt by marriage, but most likely we may have
another connection via the Mora and Delgadillo lines, I have not link
those two lines as of yet).

Once we establish this is a correct linking I can then send you an
ahnentafel chart.

Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz - Bill Figueroa

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Hello Bill,

Years ago Deena Ortiz sent a GEDCOM file to me containing all of Tino's Nochistlan ancestors...She had seen a posting that I had done online, and she apparently was researching the same individuals that I was inquiring about.

To answer your question yes, Ma. Florencia Yanez is the daughter of Gonzalo Yanez and Geronima de Benavides according to Deena's research.

I have no other documentation other than what was contained in the GEDCOM from Deena. In checking Deena's NR file I did not see a source noted...

There is a "Capitulo 27," in the Nochistlan book for Lorenzo Yanez y Maia Rodrigues de la Mora. Lorenzo Yanez del Monte married to Maria Rodriguez de la Mora, is the brother of Maria Florencia Yanez, it's possible that there would be more information on their parents Gonzalo Yanez de Monte and Geronima de Benavides. I do not have this book, only the listing of "capitulos."

Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 5:58:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Hi Pat,

Thanks,
BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Corbera"
To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:52 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Common Ancestor - Raquel Ruiz

Help with marriage Doc.

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I don't get why this marriage doc of Juan de los Reies Gallo and Polonia Yanes does not mention whats so ever the names of their parents?So if someone can please clarify this to me?It also mentions a

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Marriage record

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The earlier marriage records, in some localities, give only the 'essential' facts. That is, just the names of the couple getting married. All the other details are often in the matrimonial investigations.

In Aguascalientes, for example, the marriage records started giving more details in the 1740s. Prior to then, the matrimonial investigations, when they exist, filled in the details; however, many are missing.

The information that was recorded in the sacramental documents changed over time. As I'm sure you've also noticed, and not every community did things the same way. When changes were ordered by the Bishop, it took a while for everyone to start doing things the same way.

Another reason is that the clerk who recorded the marriage may not have had all the information. He recorded what he knew. Ocassionally you may see a blank where a surname should be. Rarely, the given name is missing.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Ipad App for images on family sesrch

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Hello
Anyone know an ipad app for viewing family search images? Or a browser? I have tried puffin, but the images don't load properly...
Regards,
Denise

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Ipad and Family Search

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Denise

Family Search images require Adobe Flash Player, which is not supported by the IOS operating system.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

ipad and family search

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Thanks for the info George. At least I still have my galaxy tablet...slow going compared to my laptop, but better than nothing when i am away from home.
Regards
Denise

Diego Alvarez Tostado

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Hello Memebers, I have a hard time reading a marriage record -San Juan de Los Lagos -1722-1770 Image # 297-298.

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Diego Alvarez Tostado

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Her name appears as Rosa Maria Moran Hernandez de Rueda. Hernandez de Rueda
and Fernandez de Rueda are the same surname.

Did you read the second response to your thread at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21025 ?

Armando

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:

>
> Hello Memebers, I have a hard time reading a marriage record -San Juan de
> Los Lagos -1722-1770 Image # 297-298. The Marriage record belongs to
> Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado married to Francisca Rita Munoz de Nava (daughter
> of Jose Munoz de Nava and Micaela Gomez de Mendoza) Jan. 15.1748. The
> Father of Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado states Diego Alvarez Tostado, but the
> mother I think says Rita Maria Moran Fernandez de Rueda. Any guesses ?
> Thank you for time
> Ronnie Reynoso

Diego Alvarez Tostado

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Hola Members ,
thank you very much
Ronnie Reynoso

> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 22:23:11 -0600
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alvarez Tostado
>
> Her name appears as Rosa Maria Moran Hernandez de Rueda. Hernandez de Rueda
> and Fernandez de Rueda are the same surname.
>
> Did you read the second response to your thread at
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21025 ?
>
>
> Armando
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello Memebers, I have a hard time reading a marriage record -San Juan de
> > Los Lagos -1722-1770 Image # 297-298. The Marriage record belongs to
> > Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado married to Francisca Rita Munoz de Nava (daughter
> > of Jose Munoz de Nava and Micaela Gomez de Mendoza) Jan. 15.1748. The
> > Father of Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado states Diego Alvarez Tostado, but the
> > mother I think says Rita Maria Moran Fernandez de Rueda. Any guesses ?
> > Thank you for time
> > Ronnie Reynoso
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Diego Alvarez Tostado

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Hi Ronnie,

I read it as Rosa Maria Moran hernandes de Rueda

I reviewed this record last month and recorded the following notes for this couple:

José Lorenzo Álvarez Tostado: español, originario y vecino de la feligresía de San Pedro Teocaltiche

Rita Muñoz de Hermosillo: española, originaria y vecina de esta feligresía [Jalostotitlan] en el Papalote

velados 15 enero 1748, fueron padrinos don Juan Francisco Alvarez Tostado y doña Maria Rita Galarza

Regards,
Austin Perez

Bañuelos Cerdán

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Any one studing the Bañuelos Cerdán family from San Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco about 1800

Ignorance?

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So today I came across this forum so ignorant like completely.Warning it does contain some profanity.Please share what your guys thoughts are on this.

Familia Gomez Rendon de Aguascalientes y Teocaltiche

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Hi Im at a dead end, I have Francisco Gomez Rendon
born in Teocaltiche ca. 1655 he married Maria Alvarez de Luna
(Maria de Luna) and had at least Francisca, Nicolasa, Maria,

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GOMEZ RENDON

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Daniel,

It looks like We are Both Stuck!

Gomez Rendon

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Daniel and Paul,
Somehow I missed your post (almost 18 months ago) regarding the Gomez Rendon family of Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes. I also descend from Gertrudis Rendon and Jacinto Navarro, and have been unable to make any progress on that line. Do you have any additional information on this family?

Sincerely

Jaime R. Alvarado

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