Nuestros Ranchos Site

Our vacation starts April 6th in Rocklin, CA, then we spend about 5-
7 days in Ogden, UT where we will meet with Rosalinda and visit the
FHL in SLC again. The 14th of April we take off by way of Hiway 80
and head back east to Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia. Before
we arrive back East, we plan on visiting friends in Chicago, Cousin
in Michigan, and a cyber cousin in Pittsburg. Those cities are

This is to confirm my intent to come to the Feb. 25th Ranchos meeting @ 11:30. All I need now is where to come on that day.
 
Jose Luis Macias
"Zendean"


-----Original Message-----
From: lareina2@...
Sent: Feb 1, 2006 10:52 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] UPDATE ON THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA RANCHOS MEETING

This is the last call for this Saturday's Southern California Ranchos 
meeting.  Some people will not be able to attend after all, so there 
is still room.  If you can make it, please email me ASAP at 
rosalindamruiz@... .  

The location is Rowland Heights, CA.  

I would also like to thank Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes for her generosity.

Thanks,

Rosalinda
Ranchos Moderator

This is the last call for anyone in the Southern California area who 
is interested in attending our first Ranchos meeting this Saturday.  A 
few people have dropped out, so if you're still interested, please let 
me know ASAP by emailing me at rosalindamruiz@... .  

The location is Rowland Heights.  Let's make this a big success.

I'd also like to thank Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes for her generosity and 
thoughtfulness.

Thanks,

Rosalinda
Ranchos Moderator

as in the words of our new webmaster:

"we need people to play around with the site and give some feedback and
let us know if there are any problems with the way it functions."

go on there and just upload some files and then delete them and make a
folder and then delete it. Let's make sure the site works good.

have a look at: http://nuestrosranchos.org

let us know what you think. No rush but eventually say by the end of

as in the words of our new webmaster:

"we need people to play around with the site and give some feedback and
let us know if there are any problems with the way it functions."

go on there and just upload some files and then delete them and make a
folder and then delete it. Let's make sure the site works good.

have a look at: http://NuestrosRanchos.com

let us know what you think. No rush but eventually say by the end of
Spring or so I hope to be fully moved over to the new site and
completely off the Yahoo group. Yeah I know that new things are always a
pain to get used to but believe me this is for our good.

And yes there is a certain amount of flexibility in the functionality of
the group. I can't say how soon but if your suggestion is a good one and
can be done with a reasonalble amount of time invested we can consider
your ideas.

so look around and let us know what you think and if you have some ideas
or comments.

joseph

Thank you, Joseph.
Kim

>  Not birth records* (they would be civil records and not
> for that far
>  back), but you can find baptism records, marriage
> records, death records
>>
>  joseph
>
>
>
>

Yolanda,

As Arturo says, the versions are currently not the same.  Sometimes 
you are not allowed to open a later version file in an earlier 
version program.  If you run into this problem...this is what I do.  
Create an export file and then open it up in the PAF 4.0 program 
creating a PAF 4.0 file.  I usaually name this new file differently 
and make it read-only so that I only make updates in my original 
file.  I usually run reports for my parents in Spanish.  I think they 
come out nicely.

- Angie


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Arturo Ramos  
wrote:
>
> Yolanda:
> 
> I don't really know why, but PAF is available in Spanish in only 
Version 4.0.4, whereas the latest version is 5.2.18.  I have not used 
the 4.0.4 so I am not sure what charting and reporting capabilities 
there are, but I know that there are a few members that use both the 
English and Spanish language version much in the way that you are 
envisioning.
> 
> As far as conversion, I don't think

Kim Raine wrote:

Thank you so much for this information.  I am not quite
clear on one thing -- the Catholic churches *should* have
birth records from the 1700's?

Not birth records* (they would be civil records and not for that far
back), but you can find baptism records, marriage records, death records
and some misc. others going back into the 1700's depending on the
specific area you are researching. some of the areas are poorly recorded
while others have magnificient records going back to the early 1700's
and even farther back.

*well in a sense they were birth records in that they usually listed
when the child was born "de tres dias nacido OR .nacido el veinte dos
del mes corriente." So these baptism records listed the date of the
baptism and gave the day the child was born (usually).

joseph

Yolanda:

I don't really know why, but PAF is available in Spanish in only Version 4.0.4, whereas the latest version is 5.2.18.  I have not used the 4.0.4 so I am not sure what charting and reporting capabilities there are, but I know that there are a few members that use both the English and Spanish language version much in the way that you are envisioning.

As far as conversion, I don't think you really need to worry about it.  You can just open up the PAF file that you have created in the English Version of the software in the Spanish Version.

-Arturo
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First of all THANKS to all who responded to my question about using
DE in a surname... I'm sure other members new to genealogy as well as
those more seasoned in this "obsession" continue to learn from other
members. KUDOS.. TO THOSE WHO TAKE THE TIME AND MAKE AN EFFORT TO
SHARE THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCES.
I recently attended a genealogy meeting where they mentioned that
there was a PAF program in Spanish and I was wondering if I could

First of all THANKS  to all who responded to my question about using 
DE in a surname...  I'm sure other members new to genealogy as well as 
those more seasoned in this "obsession" continue to learn from other 
members. KUDOS.. TO THOSE WHO TAKE THE TIME AND MAKE AN EFFORT TO 
SHARE THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCES.   
 I recently attended a genealogy meeting where they mentioned that 
there was a PAF program in Spanish and I was wondering if I could 
convert my Paf/english to PAF/spanish. If this were possible it would 
make it possible to give family reports to our family members that do 
not read English. Is this possible or am I dreaming???
Yolanda Medina Perez in El Paso, Tx.  

Yes, and there are BORONDAs in New Mexico.  I have not
found any link to mine yet, but one day I may.
Kim


On Mon, February 20, 2006 12:19 pm, Alberto Duarte said:
>     Not only did they go to alto California, but they also
>  went to new Mexico.
>
>  Alberto Duarte

Thank you so much for this information.  I am not quite
clear on one thing -- the Catholic churches *should* have
birth records from the 1700's?  In most countries with
which I have experience, even after civil registry, the
church kept records.  Is this true in Mexico?
Kim


On Fri, February 17, 2006 2:47 pm, arturoramos2 said:
>  The Catholic Church records were the vital records in New
> Spain, New Galicia and then Mexico until the late 1800s
> when a secular civil registry was established and even
> then, it took some communities a while before they
> started complying with the government's decrees that all
> births and marriages had to be registered through civil
> authorities.

Okay the new
"Nuestros Ranchos"
website is ready for Beta Testing and we're looking for a few volunteers

For anybody who would like to donate, please send the money to my 
attention.  If you would like to send a personal check, please send it 
my name, and I will have my father deliver it in cash or a single 
combined money order.  There are no banks in Totatiche and therefore 
dealing in personal checks can be troublesome.  I will of course obtain 
a receipt for your donation.

If you do not feel comfortable doing this, please obtain a postal money 
order in the name of Esteban Valdes Salazar, as some of the shops in 
town exchange money orders.

My mailing address is:

Arturo Ramos
1225 13th Street NW Apt 412
Washington DC 20005

I'll be glad to send a donation as well. Marge Vallazza:)

On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:19 PM, arturoramos2 wrote:

Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books.  He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche.



He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s.  He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those filmed as we speak.



He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations.  I have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members.  My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a couple of weeks and I would like to send the donation down with

arturoramos2,

Thursday, February 16, 2006, 8:53:26 PM, you wrote:

> Yolanda:

> I guess the answer to your question depends on the software that
> you are using.  I use an online database called The Next Generation
> that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a
> seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or
> sort by surname these are not taken into account.

> When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the
> same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the
> letter "D" and I forget to look for them there.

> I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a

Yolanda:
  I use The Master Genealogist, which when customized also allows
  entering the "pre-surname" in a separate field that isn't considered
  when the names are sorted. Thus, de la Cruz and Cruz sort together.
  I would normally say that you should enter the names as you find
  them, but the trouble is, the same name is often (usually)