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I bought the Family Tree Maker 2005 from Ancestry.com and was 
wondering how can I save the information as a file to post it here 
on this message board.  I have updates and stuff but I'm still doing 
some verification of my Aguirre roots in Tlaltenango de Sanchez 
Roman.

Hello:



I have seen a lot of Tlatenango de Roman....where could I read up on this area....any suggestions....as to founded the town and when...etc.



Mickey

THANK YOU, THANK YOU....I HAVE SOME FILM AT THE LDS....MAY BE THAT NUMBER!!!



Mickey

Hello:



I was so excited...could not even write!!



Thanks, thanks, thanks......



Mickey

Looking for San Jose de Llanetes information.  I know that they were 
owned my the Miranda family.  There was also San Miguel de Los 
Puertos.  These are 2 haciendas owned my the Miranda family that my 
family comes from...  Some of the names in my lineage are Ybarra, 
Barrios, Martinez, Magallanes, Rivera, Hernandez, Pinzon.  Any help 
would be appreciated...

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> 
> Glad you found Joseph Dionicio's parents.  I thought it would be one 
> of these two:
> 
> JOSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOSA MOJARRO
> Gender: Male Christening: 06 DEC 1731 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
> Zacatecas, Mexico
> 
> JOSEPH DIONICIO RAIGOSA MARTINES
> Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAR 1741 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
> Zacatecas, Mexico
> 
> I wonder if the Rosalia could be this one instead:
> 
> MA. DE LA LUZ ROSALIA CASTANEDA LOPES
> Gender: Female Christening: 11 APR 1745 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
> Zacatecas, Mexico 
> 
> The other one seems too young to be married in 1764, though I do 
> realize sometimes people did get married that young...
> 
> I'll send you a list of the descendants that I have tomorrow.
> 
> - Angie

Thanks.

Wow!  How could I overlook the age factor?  Even considering Rosalia's fertile period of 19 years (from 1765 to 1784), marrying at eleven seems too farfetched!  :)

MA. DE

Glad you found Joseph Dionicio's parents.  I thought it would be one 
of these two:

JOSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOSA MOJARRO
Gender: Male Christening: 06 DEC 1731 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

JOSEPH DIONICIO RAIGOSA MARTINES
Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAR 1741 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

I wonder if the Rosalia could be this one instead:

MA. DE LA LUZ ROSALIA CASTANEDA LOPES
Gender: Female Christening: 11 APR 1745 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico 

The other one seems too young to be married in 1764, though I do 
realize sometimes people did get married that young...

I'll send you a list of the descendants that I have tomorrow.

- Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  
wrote:
> Where is El Salto?
> Please let me know.
> 
> Alberto.
>>>

Hello Alberto,

My great grandmother, Margarita Pinedo, was from El Salto.  
I've always assumed this "El Salto" is a place located a few miles 
northeast of Colotán, Jalisco, but on the state of Zacatecas, near 
Villanueva.

The reason why I think my "El Salto" is located in Zacatecas and not 
to be confused with "El Salto, Jalisco", which is Southeast of 
Guadalajara, is because my great Grandfather was from Colotlán, which 
is relatively close.  Makes sense, doesn't it?

Hope this answers your question.
Regards!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> 
> Victor,
> 
> I think I might have some information for you.
> 
> I found this marriage record:
> JOSSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOZA
>   Male
> Marriages: 
>   Spouse:  ROZALIA CASTANEDA
>   Marriage:  05 MAR 1764   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, 
>>>

Angie,

I reviewed the Raygoza records you posted.  All seems to indicate 
that they are indeed siblings, as the parents names, the location and 
the dates coincide.  I'm adding them for now to my tree and
I'll make 
a note to verify on microfilm.

I went two generations further on the Raygoza line, as I have now 
Francisco Roman De Raygoza, father of Josseph Dionicio and Joseph de 
Raygoza father of Francisco Roman .  Please review the updated 
GabinaMartel file on my folder, from the sixth generation and up.

Regarding Rozalia Castaneda, wife of Josseph Dionicio, I have one 
candidate from the same batch number of baptismal records, which is 
the following:

MARIA

Please excuse me for the late reply. 

The following article I found in "Jerez, Monografia e
Historia, by Ricardo Santoyo Reveles."

Here goes:

La Esclavitud
"El 7 de abril de 1780, llego el reclamon de una de
estas ventas, realizado por Don Pantaleon de le Torre
y Salcedo en poder de la senora Rosa Gomez, viudua de
Eusebio Sanchez Castellanos, quien reclama a su
apoderado el trato de una mulata esclava de nomber
Petra, la que obtuvo por su difunto marido, y que
nacio en su casa durante su matrimonio; julio de 1760,
se trato a Don Pedro Calderon, asentista de gallos en
Jerez, este trato tenia ano y medio de haberse
efectuado; en ese tiempo de la Torre y Salcedo vendio
en 170 pesos y despues se valuo en 125, y Rose Gomez
reclama que no se le padgado la totalidad del precio y
que se resisten a pagar lo expresado y que esto iria
hasta los tribunales competentes.
    La Audiencia Real de Mexico, expdio en 1716 eln
drecho de libertad a los escloavos de jerez, pero esto
no se lleva a cabo

Where is El Salto?
Please let me know.

Alberto.
--- Victor Villarreal  wrote:

> 
> Hello All,
> 
> This is to notify you of a couple of files that I
> just uploaded to
> the Files Section.
> 
> Surnames: Villagrana, Martel, Pinedo, Colunga, Del
> Real, Serrano,
> Arana, Rosales, Marquez, Lopez, Sandoval, Sanches
> Castellanos,
> Hurtado, Morillo, Perez, Tovar, Raygoza, Balbuena,
> Alvarado ...
> 
> Places: Monte Escobedo, Villa Guerrero, Totatiche,
> Tlaltenango,
> Colotlán, El Terrerito, El Salitre, El Salto...
> 
> Your comments (and help) are most welcome!
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



	
		
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Fernando Dias' parents are:
FERNANDO DIAS and ANTTTONIA MORILLO

Juana De Escobedo's parents are:
JN. DE CARDENAS and MICHAELA DE ESCOBEDO  

Perhaps she should have been listed as a Cardenas...

- Angie

--------------------

MA. LEONARDA DE BOBADILLA
  Female
Parents:
  Father:  ANTTNO. DE BOBADILLA
  Mother:  MA. DE AVILA
Marriages:
  Spouse:  FERNANDO DIAS
  Marriage:  20 JAN 1721   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M604651  1720 - 1751  0443781

ANTTO. DE BOBADILLA  
  Male
Parents: 
  Father:  ANTTO. DE BOBADILLA
  Mother:  MA. DE AVILA
Marriages: 
  Spouse:  JUANA DE ESCOBEDO
  Marriage:  16 FEB 1726   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico 
Messages: 
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically

Now we're cooking with gas. . .if you [sorry I got lost and forgot who
the original Poster was. . .was it Mickey?] get to the films before I do
I'd be interested in finding out who Fernando Dias' parents are. . .I'm
a Dias but I have a feeling that this Dias is not one of mine but who
said this kind of research is about feelings. Confirmation is king!
thanks Angie.

aajay1073 wrote:

MA. LEONARDA DE BOBADILLA
 Female
Parents:
 Father:  ANTTNO. DE BOBADILLA
 Mother:  MA. DE AVILA
Marriages:
 Spouse:  FERNANDO DIAS
 Marriage:  20 JAN 1721   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage
date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:

M604651  1720 - 1751  0443781

ANTTO. DE BOBADILLA
Male
Parents:
Father: ANTTO. DE BOBADILLA

 Mother:  MA. DE AVILA

Marriages:
Spouse: JUANA DE ESCOBEDO
Marriage: 16 FEB 1726 San Luis

Angie,

Thank you very much for your input.

I do have a Maria Alvina Raygoza as my 4th great grandmother.  My records indicate that she was the daughter of Josseph Raygoza and Rozalia Castaneda. But now I just have two of her siblings: Maria Antonia and José Pablo.

After reviewing each record in the information you sent me I'll let you know my conclusions.

Thanks again!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> 
> Victor,
> 
> I think I might have some information for you.
> 
> I found this marriage record:
> JOSSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOZA

Mickey,

All are batch numbers.  The names are exactly as they appear so you shouldn't have any problems locating them.

Hope this is the one you're looking for!

Victor.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, MMG8938@a... wrote:
> Victor:
> 
> Is J602664 the microfilm number?  Or Batch?
> 
> I have been looking for this name fro many years.....I trip to Monclova this 
> weekend was to find something to help me jump to Jalisco.  I do know he was 
> born in Guadalajara...and that is all...I have no second surname....so...many 
> this is it...
> 
> Also M603184....film or batch?  I guess I will check for both.
> 
> Thank you, and thank you for this group...the only one that has been a help 
> to me.  
> 
> Mickey

Here is some other records you might be interested in, siblings of 
Pablo:

NICOLAS DE BOBADILLA
  Male
Parents:
  Father:  ANTTNO. DE BOBADILLA
  Mother:  MA. DE AVILA
Marriages: 
  Spouse:  GETRUDIS LOPES
  Marriage:  26 JUN 1720   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico 
Messages: 
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M604651  1720 - 1751  0443781  

MA. LEONARDA DE BOBADILLA
  Female
Parents:
  Father:  ANTTNO. DE BOBADILLA
  Mother:  MA. DE AVILA
Marriages:
  Spouse:  FERNANDO DIAS
  Marriage:  20 JAN 1721   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M604651  1720 - 1751  0443781

ANTTO. DE BOBADILLA  
  Male
Parents:

Victor,

I think I might have some information for you.

I found this marriage record:
JOSSEPH DIONICIO RAYGOZA
  Male
Marriages: 
  Spouse:  ROZALIA CASTANEDA
  Marriage:  05 MAR 1764   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, 
Mexico 
Messages: 
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.  
Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:
 M607141  1754 - 1769  0443969   Film

But there also seems to be a Joseph Antonio Raigosa married to a 
Rosalia Castaneda.  I am not sure if this is the same couple or two 
different couples.  Here is a list of children:

MARIA ANTONIA RAYGOZA CASTANEDA
Gender: Female Christening: 30 JAN 1765 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico
Marriage: 24 Oct 1781 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico

MARIA ALVINA RAYGOZA CASTANEDA
Gender: Female Christening: 27 DEC 1766 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, 
Zacatecas, Mexico

JOSSEPH PABLO RAYGOZA

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A little bit of history....
These two states are not only next to each other,
Aguascalientes was once part of Zacatecas! 
Approximately in 1845, the President, or dictator, of
Mexico, Santa Ana, punished Zacatecas for being to
independent by taking Aguascalientes away from them.  

There was a liberal movement in Zacatecas against
Santa Ana led by Francisco Garcia Salinas, an ancestor
from Jerez, that antagonized Santa Ana. So he punished
them by taking away Aguascalientes from them and
making it a state. 

Poor Mexico, this was just one of the many disasters
that would happen to Mexico and its people for the
next 160 years.

Alberto Duarte Prieto.
--- MGM8938@... wrote:

> Dear Angie:
> 
> Whoever you are...wow...wow..wow!!!
> 
> Thank you so much.  Short note, I accidently found
> all these ancestors in 
> Salt Lake City.  When I put in the state I put Aguas
> instead of Zac...which is 
> what I was always told that the Alvares came
> from....well...as we know Zac and 
> Aguas are

Hello:



In reference to being, Español, mulato/a, coyote, etc.  I have an ancestor who is in different documents all of the above....go figure that one out!  This was in Coahuila!!



Mickey

Joseph:



This is the best group I have been a part of.....great info already.  I hope I can help someone.



Yahoo!!



Mickey

Victor:



Is J602664 the microfilm number?  Or Batch?



I have been looking for this name fro many years.....I trip to Monclova this weekend was to find something to help me jump to Jalisco.  I do know he was born in Guadalajara...and that is all...I have no second surname....so...many this is it...



Also M603184....film or batch?  I guess I will check for both.



Thank you, and thank you for this group...the only one that has been a help to me. 



Mickey