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--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Walker"  wrote:
> Hi,
> One of the ways, to find the batch numbers, for a locality is by
going to a FHC, and looking at the Parish and Vital Records List, it
is on microfiche.  And is only current as of 1998.
> 
> I am including  the scanned image, of the list for Villanueva,
Zacatecas.
> 
> Good luck, and any questions let me know.
> 
> Jon Walker
> jonwalker@p...

Jon,

Kitty Cortez was asking about finding Batch numbers and I thought of
your above response. Can you give us a few more words on this? also
would you care to comment on the LDS meaning in this response. I
didn't exactly understand how this reply would help in getting batch
numbers:

"You can see the ordinance dates on the Internet International
Genealogical Index IF you register AS A MEMBER of The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints."

Would you happen to know if there is a relation between batch numbers
and ordinance dates? 

thanks,

joseph

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I've thought of another name variation -- particularly with the extracted
records in the IGI database at familysearch.org:

Yáñez with all its variant spellings can be found transcribed as Nanes.

~Deena Ortiz~

has anyone ordered any Census records for Villanueva, Zacatecas? If so
have you come across a Rancho by the name of "Rancho de los Negros?"

thanks,

joseph

yes write the info down but also make copies from their film readers on the
more important ones or on all relatives if you can afford it. But if you
do this make absoluetly sure you write down the film number the volume number
the page number and record number if available for each record you copy.
In a few months or even years you'll be able to go back to the film so easy
with this info recorded.



but writing down the Ranchos is important is good as you will start familiarizing
yourself about exactly where your familia came from. Even on each film of
a specific area there can be many many many Ranchos that are referred to.
One day you'll be able to see the name of the Rancho and realize that the
probability of this person being a relative is much more likely because very
many of the folks living there were relatives.



I'm glad you are enjoying your hunting. . .it is so thrilling and such a
rush when you find a new relative.



joseph



Irma GomezLucero wrote:

No

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
[mailto:makas@...]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:22
PM
To: LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos] 1855 Colotlan Area
Padron

okay so how come you all have been keeping the
1855 Colotlan area census a secret? I was thrilled when I found the 1817
Census awhile ago but am simply blown away by what i found in the 1855 Census.
Seems like "all, todos, or at least muchos" of the familia that I have
researched since this past August showed up on this film. If you have family
in

So I need to order film # 0443798 for Sauz de Los Marquez if I'm reading
this correctly?

Carol

Joseph Puentes wrote:

 

okay so how come you all have been keeping the 1855 Colotlan area census
a secret? I was thrilled when I found the 1817 Census awhile ago but am
simply blown away by what i found in the 1855 Census. Seems like "all,
todos, or at least muchos" of the familia that I have researched since
this past August showed up on this film. If you have family in any of the
Ranchos I've listed you might want to order this film. Oh sorry for the
bad handwriting but as the list got longer I changed my mind about typing
the info. Please do ask me to explain any spelling variations you might
perceive as a result of bad handwriting. . .just be glad I was recording
the info several centuries ago.

joseph

ps: On this film I found my ggg grandfather Cipriano Puente, my ggg
grandparents Antonio Gonzales/Ignacia Gonzales, my gg grandgrandparents
Cecilio Puente/Dominga Varela, My gg

I'm estactic too...I'll be checking this out.

This is great - Carol

Joseph Puentes wrote:

 

okay so how come you all have been keeping the 1855 Colotlan area census
a secret? I was thrilled when I found the 1817 Census awhile ago but am
simply blown away by what i found in the 1855 Census. Seems like "all,
todos, or at least muchos" of the familia that I have researched since
this past August showed up on this film. If you have family in any of the
Ranchos I've listed you might want to order this film. Oh sorry for the
bad handwriting but as the list got longer I changed my mind about typing
the info. Please do ask me to explain any spelling variations you might
perceive as a result of bad handwriting. . .just be glad I was recording
the info several centuries ago.

joseph

ps: On this film I found my ggg grandfather Cipriano Puente, my ggg
grandparents Antonio Gonzales/Ignacia Gonzales, my gg grandgrandparents
Cecilio Puente/Dominga Varela, My gg grandparents: Maximo Gonzales

okay so how come you all have been keeping the 1855 Colotlan area census
a secret? I was thrilled when I found the 1817 Census awhile ago but am simply
blown away by what i found in the 1855 Census. Seems like "all, todos, or
at least muchos" of the familia that I have researched since this past August
showed up on this film. If you have family in any of the Ranchos I've listed
you might want to order this film. Oh sorry for the bad handwriting but as
the list got longer I changed my mind about typing the info. Please do ask
me to explain any spelling variations you might perceive as a result of bad
handwriting. . .just be glad I was recording the info several centuries ago.



joseph



ps: On this film I found my ggg grandfather Cipriano Puente, my ggg grandparents
Antonio Gonzales/Ignacia Gonzales, my gg grandgrandparents Cecilio Puente/Dominga
Varela, My gg grandparents: Maximo Gonzales/Serapia Diaz and my g grandfather
Julio Puente. . .not to mention many many other relatives I've

okay I am a very beginning HTML'er so I managed to get the Name
Variation messages on my personal website and linked to it in the
links area. Please take a look. Note the URL is pretty long if
perchance it doesn't work it might be because it wrapped to the next
line and it would be necessary to rebuild it in the URL address
window.

thanks,

joseph

http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/joseph27703/ima
ges/namevariations.html

muchisimas gracias a Deena, Angie y Steven. Gracias tambien a los otros que
contestaron este "thread." E aprendido mucho de ustedes. Gracias otra vez.




If no one has any problem with this I was going to make up a file consisting
of Deena's, Angies and Steven's Emails and put it in the files section. .
.yes definitely much easier than trying to list all the possible variations.
Now I guess you can understand that I am trying to progress from specific
examples to general rules and hopefully one day to an understanding of the
ideas and principles of what is involved in the type of research we are undertaking.
. . .otra vez gracias.



joseph



ps: oh yeah, I originally had intended in blending all the replies i received
on the name variation database subject into a single database that would
be used for both the "Ranchos" and "Ciudad Juarez" groups. Unless you contact
me and specifically tell me not to I'm going to create and identical "file"
message for the "Ciudad Juarez" group.



Pacorro

Deena, I agree with you, but I think you left a few out.

H and G.  Huizar vs Guizar; Huerta vs Guerta.
I and E.  Carrion vs Carreon; Arteaga vs Artiaga.
The S at the end can always be dropped.  Conchas vs Concha; Campos vs 
Campo; Correas vs Correa; Torres vs Torre.

Also you can combine some of the rules; for example...LL equals a Y, 
which in turn equals an I.  I have seen Ayon spelled Allyon, Ayyon, 
Allon, Alon, Aion and of course Ayon.

Also you have to think about bad handwriting: a, u, and o generally 
look similar.  For example, Gaeta vs Gueta.  Godina vs Godino.

And some letters are doubled or not: l, s, t, and r.  Valensuela vs 
Valenssuela; Torres vs Tores; Enrriques vs Enriques.

There are several articles on genealogy.com that talk about many of 
these rules.  They talk about names in general but I think some of 
the rules may apply to Spanish surnames.  Two of the articles are:

Spelling Doesn't Count --> http://www.genealogy.com/62_donna.html
Name and Word Spellings --

Stupendous!! 



There you go, you got it.  Best analysis I've seen yet.  People, save this message.  Print it out and do all you can short of framing it have it handy.  Memorize it word for word, letter for letter.  Excellent breakdown Deena!! 



Everyone as soon as you integrate the INFININTE variations in name spellings, given the basic rules and guidelines that Deena has put together, the better.  Just accept it, and move on.  Your research will proceed at a faster pace once you understand and are open minded to the fact that spellings of names and simple common words was not standardized back in the old days.  Do not mentally restrain yourself when confronted with differences in spelling or grammar.



You have to understand that the letters that Deena has specified all relate to a specific sound or phoneme.  The letters B and V both produce the exact same sound.  In proper Spanish, there is no difference between "B de burro" y "V de vaca," as they say.  The sound produced in Spanish

For starters  ;-)

        The name "Dionicio" and "Leonicio" appear to have been used
interchangeably.

Maria del Carmel called Carmel or Carmen
Josefa and Sanjose
Jose, Josef, Joseph

        I had not thought of name variation in terms of spelling as there
were no standardized spellings.  For example:

Anything with an "s" could also be found with a "z" and sometimes a "c" or
an "x."
The letter "b" could always be substituted for "v."
"F" was often spelled with "ph."
The Spanish "ll" was frequently spelled with "y" or one "l" might be
dropped:
The "h" may or may not be there: Ortega/Hortega
The letters "i" and "y" are interchanged; sometimes "hi" and "y" are
interchanged:  Hilario/Ylario
The letter "j" is frequently spelled with "x" or sometimes "g": Tejeda,
Texeda, Tegeda
The letter "t" is frequently interchanged with "th": Torres/Thorres or
Marthin/Martin
"U" is spelled with a "V": Ulloa/Vlloa

        That said, I have found Xauregui spelled at least ten different
ways; the same

Here are a few more:

Campos, Ocampo
Carcamo, Carcomo
de Haro
Enriques, Enrriques, Henriques, Henrriques
Luna, de Luna
Magallanes, Magallanez
Martinez, Martines
Mejia, Mexia
Melendes, Melendez, Melendres, Melendrez
Munoz, Munos
Placencia, Placensia, Plasencia, Plascencia,
Placenscia, Plasenscia
Ramirez, Ramires
Reynoso, Reynozo, Reinoso, Reinozo
Robles, de Robles
Salazar, Zalasar
Saldivar, Zaldivar
Santellan, Santillan
Sid, Cid
Soria, de Soria
Villavicensio, Villavisencio
Yslas, Islas

     -Esther



--- rosa9972  wrote:
> Here are some more:
> 
> Ayon, Allon
> Aro, Haro, de Aro
> Arceo, Harceo
> Artiaga, Arteaga
> Carreon, Carrion
> Covarrubias, Cobarrubias, Cobarruvios, de las
> Covarrubias, Santa   
>            Maria y Covarrubias
> Godoy, Godoi, Carlos de Godoy
> Grano, Grana, Campo y Grano
> Gutierres del Palacio
> Jara, Xara, Fernandez de Jara
> Leiba, Leyva, Leiva, Leyba
> Llanos Valdes, Llamos y Valdes, Llanos y Valdes,
> Llanes Valdes, 
>            Llamas

Dear Ranchos group,



I just noticed that someone mentioned the surname Alvarez del Castillo.  Who has seen it?  And where?  When?  I have never seen that surname outside of Arandas, Ayo el Chico, Guadalajara, and Michoacán.



Steven H.

Here are some more:

Ayon, Allon
Aro, Haro, de Aro
Arceo, Harceo
Artiaga, Arteaga
Carreon, Carrion
Covarrubias, Cobarrubias, Cobarruvios, de las Covarrubias, Santa   
           Maria y Covarrubias
Godoy, Godoi, Carlos de Godoy
Grano, Grana, Campo y Grano
Gutierres del Palacio
Jara, Xara, Fernandez de Jara
Leiba, Leyva, Leiva, Leyba
Llanos Valdes, Llamos y Valdes, Llanos y Valdes, Llanes Valdes, 
           Llamas, Valdes, Valdez, Baldes
Loera, Luera
Magallanes, Magayanes
Mallorga, Mayorga
Ponce, Ponze
Rojas, Roxas
Urena, Ureno, de Urena, Vreno, Vrena 

Rosalinda


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
> 
> >Godina,  Godoi, Godoy
> >
> >  
> >
> I thought Godina and Godoy were two different names?
> 
> Now this brings up where I'm going with this database. These 
entries 
> until I put them in the files section should be 
considered "drafts." 
> They are open to discussion and correction. First names will be 
> separated from

Fonseca, Fonceca
Avila, Abila, Davila,  De Avila
Villegas, Billegas, Viyegas

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Does anyone know if this is the same Fresnillo as Fresnillo, Zacatecas? Does
anyone know where this person can get info on her situation?



thanks,



joseph

Hi List,  I hope someone can help.   My husbands' family lived on a farm around San Jose de Fresnillo.  When my husband  Antonio  was 8  (1945)  his father died, the the family had to leave the farm.   Last night a sister called from El Paso, Tx.   saying that someone is looking for the family of Jose Acevedo, because they are building a road or something through the area of the farm.  No one in the family that we know of has any papers on the farm.   We don't know when he bought it, or anything about it.  We didn't even know they still owned it.      Is there somewhere we could write or

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Godina,  Godoi, Godoy

  

I thought Godina and Godoy were two different names?



Now this brings up where I'm going with this database. These entries until
I put them in the files section should be considered "drafts." They are open
to discussion and correction. First names will be separated from last names.



I haven't enough experience to say for sure but isn't Javier only a given
name? If so I'll be putting that one in a future given names database.



Now if everyone in the group would just take a few minutes and consider their
own particular names of research and only submit those we'd have a sizable
database in no time. So keep those contributions coming. I'll try to put
them in alphabetic order and we'll go from there.



I'm probably going to make a general introduction about the interchangeable
use of "s" and "z" in names



so who is the next bold person to dare to submit their particular name variations???



joseph



ps: oh yeah here

okay we have a start thanks to Gloria McCrary, Tony, and Kitty Cortez. (this
is a joint effort of both the Ranchos and Juarez groups).

Armijo, Armigo
Baca, Vaca
Benavides, Venavides, Benabides
Castillo, Alvarez del Castillo
Cedillo,  Sedillo
Godina,  Godoi, Godoy
Guevara,  Marcelino, Nino Ladon de Guevara, Marzelino Ladron 
Guevara, Ladon de Guevara
Javier, Xavier
Lucero, Lucero de Godoy

Maese, Maes  [ Some of the Maese families which stayed in the El 
Paso area after the Request keep the old spelling of Maes--accent 
on the letter e]
Maese, Maise, and Messe

Olguin, Holguin
Rael, Rael de Aguilar
Raigosa, Raygosa
Ribera, Rivera
Sanchez, Sanches  [ and other similar names ending in "z" ]
Sandoval,  Sandobal
Serrano, Zerrano,
Vasquez,  Basquez,
Velasquez, Belasquez
Valencia, Balencia
Vallejo, Ballejo
Villegas, Billegas