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Sayula, Jalisco Bautismos: 1651-1875

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Just wanted to welcome Jose Luis Macias to the group.

take a look in the "links" section under "genealogies" for a link to
his rootsweb site.

joseph

So someone educate me. . .is the surname Martin del Campo a very
common last name? Maria with all those Martin del Campo's in several
differnt lines of various ones in the group it seems there should be a
cross somewhere. Or is Martin del Campo kind of like Smith?

joseph

ps: I bet ya a DNA test would show our Puentes were related but other
than that it might take a few more generations back. I'm going to
resume my backward search at the end of the Summer. Until then I'm
trying to gather as much Oral History as I can. When I resume my
search I'll be ordering films from Sombrerete, Zacatecas where I think
 my Justo Puente was married and from Tlaltenango where I think my
Diaz line came from. 

-- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814"  wrote:
> I updated my reports.  Look in the files section for them.
> 
> Note to Joseph:  The entry I had written to you about previously is 
> for María Gregoria Puentes.  María Gregoria was born in Palos Altos 
> on 10 May 1804

I updated my reports.  Look in the files section for them.

Note to Joseph:  The entry I had written to you about previously is 
for María Gregoria Puentes.  María Gregoria was born in Palos Altos 
on 10 May 1804. She was the illegitimate child of José Quirino 
Puentes and Urbana Puentes.  The paternal grandparents were not named 
and the maternal grandparents were:  Blas Puentes and Victoria 
Péres.  María Gregoria was "de calidad Mestiza".  Let me know if they 
are related to your Puentes' ancestors.

Maria Cortez

My wife is working from home today and is tying up the internet 
connection but she gave it to me long enough to reply to your message.

You have a gift for understatement. . .you said, "I hope you got 
something out of this." 

well up until this point I was feeling a bit cocky thinking that I 
was just starting to get comfortable with my ability to navigate the 
www.familysearch.org web page. . .well now I know that I have a long 
way to go.

Sincerely thank you for your help with this. Your message tought me 
several things. Most importantly how that assumption is a terrible 
thing in Genealogy. When I saw the records of them having children in 
Huejucar I "assumed" that was where they were from and stopped 
looking for them in Santa Maria de Los Angeles. I even have one of 
those films (1158281) and thought I had gone through it 
thoroughly. . .shows I have a ways to go in my research technique.

thank you for your effort on my behalf and your contribution to the 
group. I hope one

Hi Joseph,



Did you know that certain marriage abstracts in the IGI contain the names of the bride and groom's parents?  Well your pentabuelos marriage record of them in the IGI does.  It appears that they were married in a place called Santa María de los Angeles, Jalisco.  Heard of it?  Here is their marriage abstract from the IGI.



IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0

  Mexico

Search Results  | Download | Pedigree





JOSE RAFAEL TORRES

  Male   Family



Parents:

  Father:  PEDRO TORRES Family

  Mother:  MARIA JOSEFA RAMIRES  



Marriages:

  Spouse:  MARIA TRINIDAD MARQUEZ Family

  Marriage:  08 JUL 1829   Santa Maria De Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico



Parents:

  Father:        JUAN CLIMACO MARQUEZ Family

  Mother:  MARIA EULOGIA LUERA  



Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality

Greetings once again Ranchos group.



Hi Irma,

       I hope this message finds you well.  I just finished reviewing your latest Gutiérrez lineage and after much researching and putting all the pieces together, I have mostly good news to report.  It seems that the two Gutiérrez lines in your last file, are also the same as the Gutiérrez line of your great-grandmother, Tomasa Gutiérrez.  This makes three lines that broke off and then rejoined later on.  More on this in the following paragraph.  More precisely, these are branches of the Gutiérrez de Hermosillo family, one of the Hermosillo families I was telling you about the other day.  In fact Irma, you are very closely related to two cousins of mine, good friends and fellow genealogists, Miguel Gutiérrez (Mike) and Gabriel Gutiérrez, second cousins to each other.  Mike's direct line is Gutiérrez de Hermosillo and Gabriel's is Gutiérrez de Mendoza y Laris, a different branch of the same Gutiérrez line, but not through the Hermosillo

class=016484620-30042003>Irma

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Dear Irma,



I'm so glad you enjoyed the few bits of data I was able to put together for you.  I am currently sending more and these should also be available in the files section of Ranchos.  When I have a chance I'll post a simple overview of my basic lineage and then I'll into more detail.  But even before that, Irma, I'll send you something showing my connection to your families...I mean...our families.  The thing is, we share so many ancestors, I don't even know where to begin.  And just to give you an idea, I have been researching for a little over ten years.  I've gleaned my ancestry not just from microfilm but from the various books that have already been published about Alteño genealogy.



Just before I even got your reply with the answer as to who Ma. Josepha Pérez's parents were, I had already done a little digging and discovered them for myself.  I have tons of indefinite films from every town in Los Altos at my local family history center, including San Miguel el Alto and

This is only for the next time you're at the FHC and have lots of spare time
on your hands. . .otherwise ignor:



If anyone has these films from Huejucar and can possibly copy and scan/mail
them to me I would be indebted. I know I'll eventually get to Huejucar in
ordering films but that might not be for quite a little while. . .in the
mean time I'm very much wondering who my Pentabuelos*** the parents of my
Trastarabuelos*** Rafael and Trinidad are:





Maria Micaela Torres Marquez: parents-Jose Rafael Torres/Maria Trinidad
Marquez



04 Oct. 1830 baptism



=========================



Jose Estevan de Jesus Torres Marquez: parents-Jose Rafael Torres/Maria
Trinidad Marquez



29 Dec 1831 Baptism





thanks,



joseph



*** http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7215/generaciones.htm (Thanks
Steven)

Mary,

I have heard of a Valpariso in Chile My great parents were born there.



Stella

This too shall pass.............

 

I think I see the problem. . .you spelled it wrong. . .the correct spelling
is Valparaiso. . .unless we're talking about another place.

  

not sure I'm going to be a lot of help. But here is a map of that area. Go
to the files section under "Aahther Stuff" and click on maps and then click
on the "Good Tepechitlan" map and you'll see Valparaiso. Go to the Family
Search website and do a "place" search. When you do it for Valparaiso you'll
come up with these records:

Title

Registros parroquiales, 1831-1973

Authors

Iglesia Católica. La Purísima (Valparaíso, Zacatecas) (Main Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en los archivos de la parroquia y del Obispado
de Zacatecas.

Algunos de los libros incluyen índice.

Incluye registros de capillas cercanas en la hacienda (ahora el pueblo) de
San Mateo, en la hacienda (ahora el ejido) de San Miguel, y otras capillas
cercanas.

Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages and deaths from Valparaíso,
Zacatecas, Mexico.

Subjects

Well I guess we've arrived. . .we've made Cyndi's list:



http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_country-mex.html




href="http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Ejfuller/gen_mail_country-mex.html#ranchos"
_base_target="_top">ranchos (Mexico with focus on Ranchos of Jalisco
and Zacatecas)

Helping my doughter find her grandfather Tiburcio Luna born August 11,
1885 in Valpariso, Zacatecas, Mexico.  His parents are... Salome Luna
and Monica Fernandez/s.  He married Vicenta Robles, Febuaray 15, 1918 ..
place unknown.  This is all the information that my doughter got from
the Imigration deptment.

I have tried looking in the LDS to no avail.  I haven't seen Valpariso,
Zacatecas at all.  Could Valpariso be in a jurisdiction that I don't
know about?  I need your help.  Please respond to
mgervassi@...

Thank you,
Mary

This message is in regard to Irma Gómez's line of descent.  Very, 
very interesting.  Finally I see some Los Altos genealogy.

It seems that you and I, Irma, are both cousins, or should I say, 
primos.  My name is Steven F. Hernández, and my ancestry is also from 
the region of Jalisco known as "Los Altos."  Los Altos has 
historically been an isolated region, closed off from the rest of 
Mexico.  The area was populated by early Spanish and Basque pioneers, 
pobladores, and descendants of the conquistadors.  As a result of 
this high concentration of Spanish blood, alteños are light skinned 
and fairer than other Mexicans.  Alteños live a culture, speak a 
language, and practice a religion that is strongly Spanish/Hispanic.  
But all this is historically well known and documented.

Irma, I have 90% of the surnames in you line.  I have Gómez (which 
used to known as Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza), Arias Maldonado, Macías 
Valadéz, Muñoz (de Hermosillo), Hermosillo, Gutiérrez (de 
Hermosillo)

I count 10 folks in the "files" section that have sent in their genealogies.
Also Deena Ortiz has hers listed in the Links section of the site. A few
in the early days of the group send in some of their work in emails and those
people need to resend it to me directly so I can put it in the files section.
After all that that leaves a big pile of  you that haven't sent in your work.




I am no longer subscribing people without them committing in writing that
they are doing their own research and that they are willing to send in their
work. Some that have agreed to this recently have sent me nothing.



I realize that some of you have soooo much work done that you probably don't
know what to send in. Here's my suggestion to get you started:



Just send me in your Straight Line Direct Line genealogy as far back as you
go. Just give me all the Great Grandparents names and their particular information.
. .remember "Location is Everything."  Later when you have time you can add
the very

does anyone recognize this couple or at least the Sandoval in this
couple as being from Huejucar?

Genaro Salazar y Pascuala Sandoval.

they were the parents of Gertrudis Salazar who married Martin Puente son
of Aniceto Puente brother to Julio Puente my G-GF

joseph

This is a great reference book with probably the best Bibliography of
Genealogical books on specific surnames available in the world (just my
guess). The bibliography alone is 112 pages long.

the name of the book is:

"Hispanic Surnames and Family History"
by Lyman D. Platt, Ph.D.
1996 Genealogical Publishing Co., INC;
ISBN: 0-8063-1480-X

try doing an interlibrary loan on it. Or if you need I can do a specific
surname

look up in it and see if a book has been written about it.

Joseph

I am not sure if it is the same family, but I have this information:

FRANCISCO XAVIER MARQUES DE LOS OLIVOS
Male
Parents:
  Father:  PHELIPE MARQUES DE LOS OLIVOS
  Mother:  FRANCISCA XAVIERA SANCHES
Marriages:
  Spouse:  MARIA NARCISA SANCHES
  Marriage:  22 FEB 1751   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, 
Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M607139  1704 - 1754  0443968

In the christening of her children Maria Narcisa Sanches is refered 
to as Maria Narcisa Sanches Castellanos and Maria Sanches 
Castellanos.  Also I have seen Maria Castellanos, and I assumed that 
it was perhaps the same person??? The couple did have a daughter 
named Maria Francisca, but I have her married to a Jesus Robles, I 
have to check my notes and see where I got that information.

Do you know if your Maria Francisca married

Angie, I know I'm late in getting back to you but I do have this marriage
record and Maria Francisca's parents were Francisco Xavier Marques married
to Ma. Castanes.

Carol

aajay1073 wrote:

 Hey Carol,

Let me know if you find out who the parents are for Maria Francisca

Marquez. It is probably listed on her marriage to Juan Antonio
De

Casas.  I am interested in knowing if she is part of the Marquez

family that I am researching.

Thanks,

Angie

 

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Hello Everyone,

when it comes to computers I am very illiterate..so I am not sure if I am in this group or not!!!

My name is Stella and I am so happy to be here.....I am interested in the ranchos of Totatiche, Jalisco Mexico.......with regards to the URENA family.........Already I have learned to much using the LDS on line from Rosalinda.......I Have been doing research on my family for about 5 years......Leaving this Hispanic side....alone never thinking I would find Information.........The way my Mom talks......I figured there would be no records!! and already I have found a cousin!!

Stella

This too shall pass.............

Hello Everyone,

I re-did all my family files in the files section.  I found a 
new "report" in my family program.  I like it a lot better than the 
report I was using before.  It shows families from the bottom-up 
instead of the top-down.

Take a look at the files when you get a chance.  Here is the short 
description of the files.  (I didn't click the notify group of new 
file option.)

1) Includes last names of Gaeta and Raigosa, plus Ayon, Campos, 
Marques, Miramontes, Robles, Rodarte, and Romero.

2) Includes last names of Godina and Huizar, plus Avila and 
Miramontes.

3) Includes last names of Huerta and Huizar, plus Ayon, Cardenas, 
Castaneda, Correas, Gaeta, Miramontes, Robles, Rodriguez, Sandoval, 
Serrano, and Perez.

4) Includes last names of Huizar and Cardenas, plus Avila, Campos, 
Gaeta, Huerta, Miramontes, and Valdez.

5) Includes last names of Luna and Huizar, plus Campos, Faxias, 
Huerta, Miramontes, Robles, and Segueda.

6) Includes last names of Miramontes and Gaeta

rosa9972 wrote:

Hello all!

I want to introduce myself to your group. My name is Rosalinda Ruiz,
and I've been working on my family tree for some

Prima Rosalinda. . .you are a wonderful addition to the group. . .and
pardon if I use you to shame some of those that haven't sent in their
intros or genealogies.

Welcome and I'm proud to find someone that shares the same sense of
great value at finding our "familia." Estamos hallando nuesta sangre.

joseph
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Just a quick word about the digest version of the group. If anyone
starts to get an overflowing inbox because of the increased activity of
this group just change your subscription from "individual emails" to
"digest." If you have trouble with this just send me an email and I'll
do it for you.

We've had several new members join the group and I thought this message
should be reposted.

Welcome to the group all you new people. . .you know who you are. Please
do take some time to send us an introduction. Also a few words on the
surnames and geographical areas you're researching would be great. When
you are ready send me your Genealogy so I can post it to the
"non-public" Files section of the group.

Joseph Puentes
                        de Diaz, Aguallo, Ledesma, Casas, Alvarez,
Varela, Gonsalez, Sanchez, Leaños, Marquez, Torres, Santa Maria, Lugo,
Espinosa, Romero, Bañuelos, Miranda, Muro, Nava, Castañeda y Rivas.

PS: Congratulations to Rosalinda Ruiz for finding two new cousins in the
group since joining just a few days ago. She and I are kind of cousins
also since I'm a cousin to Angie Godina and she's a cousin to Angie
Godina. . .thus that's why I said "kind of."

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