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Rancho del Muerto

There is a "Rancho El Muerto" in the far eastern part of Coahuila, the state that borders Zacatecas on its northern border.  This municipality is right below Monterrey in Nuevo Leon, but is in Coahuila State now.  Could this have been part of Zacatecas at one time or did the priest just neglect to state in which state his "Rancho Del Muerto" was located?
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Arturo Ramos
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:27 AM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Rancho del Muerto
 

From what I have been able to gather there are two places called
Rancho del Muerto in Mexico.

One is in Chihuahua.  The other is in Aguascalientes.  There is a
place on modern maps in the municipality of Rincon de Romos called
Puerta del Muerto, which may be it and the other is a place just near
Aguascalientes (the city) called Cerro del Muerto.

Given the proximity of Tlaltenango to Aguascalientes, that is
probably where you should search.  There is someone

Rancho del Muerto

>From what I have been able to gather there are two places called 
Rancho del Muerto in Mexico.

One is in Chihuahua.  The other is in Aguascalientes.  There is a 
place on modern maps in the municipality of Rincon de Romos called 
Puerta del Muerto, which may be it and the other is a place just near 
Aguascalientes (the city) called Cerro del Muerto.

Given the proximity of Tlaltenango to Aguascalientes, that is 
probably where you should search.  There is someone who refers to el 
Rancho del Muerto in their geneaology as well:

www.somosprimos.com/spsep02.htm

And a map:

http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/ags/3-cosio-aguascalientes-mexico-
map.shtml


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Santos Luna  
wrote:
> 
> 
> In a marriage record for a Magallanas ancestor, Tlaltenango - 1764, 
he is listed as being from "Rancho del Muerto". (Hmmm I wonder how 
that rancho was named). Has anyone encountered ancestors from this 
rancho? I am looking for other possible connections

Rancho del Muerto

You are most welcome, Helyn,
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Santos Luna
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 6:13 PM
Subject: [ranchos] Rancho del Muerto
 


In a marriage record for a Magallanas ancestor, Tlaltenango - 1764, he is listed as being from "Rancho del Muerto". (Hmmm I wonder how that rancho was named). Has anyone encountered ancestors from this rancho? I am looking for other possible connections...especially, since many of the families in these ranchos were related.

Another big "Thank You" to Emilie from Port Orchard. I have been referring to an e-mail that you sent me March 2003...valuable info as this is the line of a Magallanas that I am currently assisting...Gracias..

Helyn

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Research Groups for other states

Yolanda,

 

It's funny that you asked that today. I was also wondering if anyone knows of a group for Michoacan. A friend at the local FHC was asking me about a group for her state of Michoacan, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Alicia Carrillo

San Jose, Ca

Yolanda Medina-Perez wrote:

Does anyone know of a group similar to "ranchos" for the state of
Chihuahua? I have many ancestors from Santa Rosalia,Camargo and need
some guidance and contacts.  

Yoli Medina Perez
El Paso, Tx.  



racial classifications

I have one ancestress whose birth record lists her as mestisa (that's how it was spelled) but her parents are listed in Luz M. Hilton's book as espagnoles and her son's birth record lists him as espagnol--go figure!!:( I think it had to do with did her parents (who were aristocrats, I might add) pay the priest enough for the baptism? Probably not. Marge:)

On Aug 10, 2005, at 9:58 PM, lareina2@... wrote:


Hi Erlinda--

 

If you have access to Ranchos 2, look in this folder: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/Racial%20Classification/ .  The varying names indicated the "amount" of indigenous, African, or Spanish blood a person had, although by no means should the priest's words be taken as accurate.   I think sometimes the priest would base his judgment on what he saw.  The Spanish had quite a complicated process.  The specific name was supposed to indicate the racial measure of each person-- so if you had x amount of Spanish blood and y amount of indigenous blood, there was a

racial classifications

Hi Erlinda--
 
If you have access to Ranchos 2, look in this folder: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/Racial%20Classification/ .  The varying names indicated the "amount" of indigenous, African, or Spanish blood a person had, although by no means should the priest's words be taken as accurate.   I think sometimes the priest would base his judgment on what he saw.  The Spanish had quite a complicated process.  The specific name was supposed to indicate the racial measure of each person-- so if you had x amount of Spanish blood and y amount of indigenous blood, there was a specific name to indicate that.  Also, look in the Ranchos archives, since I think there was a discussion on this topic not too long ago.
 
Last year the Los Angeles County Museum of Art had an exhibition of paintings that depicted the blending of the different races, and it was a fascinating experience.  Looking at the exhibit reminds me how much race is still an issue, then (300-400 years ago), and now. 

racial classifications

I'm hoping someone has the answer to why different classification are 
used for the same race.  I'm working on my Rolon line from Zapotlan El 
Grande and Tamazula.. Listings include Mulato, Lobo and Morisco for 
Blacks... why are they not all called the same thing? These are 
marriage records from the mid 1700's. They also put Blacks in a 
different leger than Espanoles and Mestizo's, does anyone know if 
there is a reason for this?
Linda from Wa. 



Rancho del Muerto






In a marriage record for a Magallanas ancestor, Tlaltenango - 1764, he is listed as being from "Rancho del Muerto". (Hmmm I wonder how that rancho was named). Has anyone encountered ancestors from this rancho? I am looking for other possible connections...especially, since many of the families in these ranchos were related.


Another big "Thank You" to Emilie from Port Orchard. I have been referring to an e-mail that you sent me March 2003...valuable info as this is the line of a Magallanas that I am currently assisting...Gracias...


Helyn

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Digest Number 570

Alberto,

You can filter your searches at Google using the minus sign (-).  For
example, the expression: genealogía duarte -portugal, will exclude all
the pages that have the word portugal.  Need to play around with your
search expressions.  You can combine several filters as well as words
within quotes and words without quotes in the same expression.

It helps reviewing the search tips from Google itself once in a while.
http://www.google.com/help/basics.html 

Victor Villarreal
México


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  wrote:
> I hope you had better luck that me.  I use google but
> when I type "Duarte genealogia", the information I
> receive is about 98% from the Portuguese branch and
> very little from the Spanish Branch, and about 0% from
> Mexico.
> 
> But google is a good source.
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto
> Santa Maria, California
>