Could not find a marriage record for Juan Estrada and Francisca Hernandes, but did find at least 4 children of theirs.

Mariano Estrada, Simona Estrada, Maria Matilde Estrada, and Claro Estrada.   Of these 4 children only Claro Estrada's baptism record was found. This record not only provided the names of his parents, Juan Estrada and Francisca Hernandes, but the names of his paternal/maternal grand-parents. In this record Juan's father was listed as Mariano Estrada and his mother as Luisa Reyes [Surname Ramires was stated in the death record]. Francisca's father was noted as Marcelino Hernandes and mother was Apolonia Medina (Surname in other records noted as Almansa).  The link for Claro's baptism record is listed below. 

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4KS6-L?cc=1804458

Now that we know who the parents of Juan Estrada are, we begin looking for links for Mariano Estrada and wife Luisa Reyes/Ramires

Luckily one baptism record was found for Maria Epifania del Refugio Estrada (Juan's sister), who was baptised in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico on 9 April 1825. The record stated that she was born on 6 April 1825 in Hacienda de Las Juntas (Located within Teocaltiche Jurisdiction). The record did not provide a lot of information as to parentage, only listing the mother of Mariano Estrada as Josefa Estrada (father unknown). Both parents of Luisa Reyes were unknown.

The link for Epifania's baptism record is listed below:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G57Q-8B?cc=1874591

Mariano Estrada is next found in San Jose de Gracia, Rincon de Romos, Aguascalientes, Mexico in 1833, where he died.  His burial record is listed on 1 Jan 1833. He died in El Rio (within San Jose de Gracia jurisdiction). His cause of death was listed as Colico (Colic). He was listed as 70 years of age in 1833, placing his year of birth around 1763. Also listed on this record was wife Maria Luisa de Reyes. The link for his burial record is included below.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-63V3-TTH?cc=1502404
 

A couple of points for the last burial record is that he was much older then originally thought. First, Mariano was having children in 1825 and again about 1831, only a few years before he died in 1833. Maria Luisa de Reyes/Ramires must have been a bit younger to have children this late. This may also explain the lack of information that Juan Estrada had with regard to his father, who was only about 2 years old when he died.  It may also be probable that Mariano was married prior to his marriage with Luisa.

Moving on to the parentage of Francisca Hernandes.  We know from records listed above that her parents were Marcelino Hernandes and Maria Apolonia Almansa/Medina.

In the 1824 Ojo Caliente Padron (census), the parents of Francisca Hernandes were listed, in the area of San Diego (Zacatecas). Marcelino Hernandes was listed as age 21 (born around 1803) and Apolonia (Polonia) Almaras was listed as age 16 (born around 1803).  This census area has many Estrada and Hernandes families, likely with some ties with some of them.  At least 1 child of Marcelino/Apolonia is listed in baptism records in 1842 San Jose de Gracia (Rincon de Romos) records.  The record only names the father of Marcelino as Bacilo Hernandes, but lists the parentage of Apolonia Almansa as Ygnacio Almansa/Manuela Sanches. Bacilio's wife is noted as Paula Ybarra in the 1824 census. The Padron (census) link is included below:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BF-295Y?cat=32677&i=130

That is all the info I have found on the elder families.  

First of all welcome to the site!  The information you provided leaves very little to go on, but I will try to see if the Juan Estrada you have mentioned is from your family branch. My initial curiosity was in looking for any Juchipila "Estrada" family connections, which it does not appear there are any. 

The only Juan Estrada that died on 8 May 1863 in Zacatecas, Mexico is of Guadalupe, Zacatecas, Mexico, listed in Civil Records (See Link below). Juan Estrada was listed as a bricklayer, 32 years old, and it was stated within the death record that he was originally from San Joseph de Yslas, which is now Genaro Codina (Zacatecas). I believe early records are also found for this general area in Ojo Caliente (Zacatecas), Panuco (Zacatecas), and Calera Victor Rosales (Zacatecas).  Nearly all of these locations have incomplete genealogy records, so gathering information can be tough.  The death record also mentioned that Juan Estrada left a widow in Francisca Hernandes(z). The officials noted they didn't know who the father of Juan Estrada was, but that his mother was Luisa Ramires. It does not appear that any Estrada or Hernandes(z) family members were listed as contributing to this death record, which can often leave gaps or slightly inaccurate family info. If this is the correct family, I will try to provide more info once I know this is who you're interested in.  

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5V5-F3S?cc=1916240

and where was he born?  I found the tree.  Cleaned a little bit up.... 

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/GV26-JW6

The Ocampo surname would typically be the Mother's maiden name....but his mother's maiden name is Amezcua.... I have not seen a record where the Ocampo is used as part of his name.

profile directly on familysearch.org....    he just recently did updated in feb 2025....  you can chat there directly.  

even has the same picture..... if you want me to I will merge the individuals.... the parents had 2 kids with the same name.....so I suspect one of them died as a baby..... seen that quite a bit....  one was born in 1883 and one was born in 1887......anyway check me:

Jenna1398

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/G7YN-PX9

Well....there is a whole tree here but you don't mention (or I missed) some part of the tree.....  https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/9V9G-FRW

Was Manuel Padilla the actual father of Manuel Amezcua?  The birth registration states that she had been widowed from Porfirio Orozco for 2 years at time of Manuel Amezcua birth.....  and does NOT list a father for Manuel Amezcua.  

In the family tree somebody has placed under Manuel Padilla as his son?  Is this correct?  Did she ever marry Manuel Padilla?  If so we can go look for that document.

Welcome to Nuestros Ranchos Jenn!

That's unfortunate you know so little about your paternal great grandfather, Manuel Padilla. He sounds like an interesting person. Your grandfather Manuel's baptismal record mentions he was born out of wedlock (hijo natural) and makes no mention of his father. The same goes for his birth record which also makes no mention of his father. If you haven't already done so, consider using DNA matches to help you in your search for Manuel Padilla and his ancestors.

• Profile of Manuel Amezcua aka Ames on Family Search (FS)

....since its free to use and to populate family trees there a a lot of folks that use it.... you may be able to see more info there.  Here is the page of your family tree.... there are a bunch of potential updates pending.....  and, yep, somebody has done a lot of populating:  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/MVYY-WZP

Hello Jorge Andres,

I am your very distant relative through our Ruiz de Esparza’s lines.  You can find many posts that I have made regarding our Esparza family in Nuestrosranchos.

You didn’t write much about your mother’s side of the family.  I did a little research using the few clues that you provided. 
Is this The death record of your maternal grandfather: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRK5-WKG?view=index&action=view&cc=1923424     ?

Rick A Ricci

I'm researching some of my family lines in San Luis Potosí, particularly some ancestors that were born there between 1640 and 1700, and I've found a couple conformed by Joan Estevan de Caceres and Luisa Cavallero, whose daughter Joanna was baptized in the same city on Oct. 27, 1656. They are mentioned as Spaniard neighbors of San Luis Potosí. Maybe there are more relatives lost among these records. The link is above. Good luck with your research.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GG25-B1X?i=80&cc=1860864 

Look up my past posts on Lope Ruiz de Esparza’s ancestors and descendants. 

Good luck in your research,

Rick A. Ricci

and I think this is Macedonia Rivas baptism record..... but I'm trying to find some other cross-reference before I link it.  You can see grandparents here also.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-K25R-F?view=index&pers…

I think this is her death registration but I"m still following up on other cross-references.   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PK2-6DR?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQG72-4G2W&action=view

She was an "hija natural" so there you are.  Birth was reported by Francisco Arroniz, reportedly "soltero" (single), and the father is reported as "no conocido" (unknown father--I'm staring squinty-eyed at this commend since Francisco presented the child).  The child was therefore given the Mothers surname.  She was born in 1895 not 1899

Anyway...see below and while I was at it added more references to your trees.  

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PJ9-43H?view=index&pe…

Hello Monica,

I have a possible reason as why you are stuck on your fathers maternal grandparents.   It seems that they weren’t married to each other.  A person with her name is listed on her death record as being single, and a person with his name is recorded with a wife with a different name.    His name is not a common one in Jalisco, and especially in Ameca.   I can trace both of these individuals ancestry back but before that is done it should be confirmed that these are the same people as your dads maternal grandparents.   That can be done by getting your maternal grandmother’s birth record or baptismal record and searching for clues, threads, in those records.   
Rick A. Ricci

Hello,

Here is the "Informacion Matrimonial" of  Joseph de Santana when he married Juana Lopez Bueso y Guerrero de Ocon:

Mexico, Jalisco, Arquidiócesis de Guadalajara, dispensas matrimoniales y matrimonios de extranjeros; ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXG-DWRT-9?i=84&cat=2358531 (familysearch.org)

In it we find out the parents of Jose de Santana as: Antonio de Santana cc  Maria de Castro.

Hope this helps,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Vicky,

I have had some luck with various Mexico research with notorial records, wills, and padrons; although I have not checked if the Cocula area is available online and/or at libraries.  I have also had some luck with sifting through Michoacan records, but most older records are not yet indexed.  Also PARES records are available, but again have not researched the Lepe surname much yet.  There are likely others that often check into this site that can elaborate further.  

Here is the linage of  Alejandra Zermeno (wife of my grandson):

• Mathias Lepe b. Circa 1695, of Cocula, Jalisco, Mexico, d. 17 May 1779, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
  Joseph Toribio "Thoribio" Lepe b. 16 Apr 1732, Cocula, Jalisco, Mexico, d. 2 Feb 1807, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
  Jose Maria de Jesus Lepe b. 18 Oct 1774, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, d. Bef 31 Oct 1864
  Jose Timoteo de Jesus Lepe b. 24 Aug 1842, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, d. 22 Jun 1892, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
  Maria Juana Lepe b. Circa 1866, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, d. 15 Aug 1912, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
  Jose Lopez b. 16 Oct 1899, El Salitre, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
  Juan Lopez La Tinaja, Juchitlan, Jalisco, Mexico
  Camerina Lopez
  Jose de Jesus Zermeno 
  Alejandra Zermeno (Paul Hernandez jr - grandson)

Lee

Vicky, Welcome to our group!.  I know this will not be of any help, but have the same brick wall with regard to Mathias Lepe and Bernardina Espinosa.  My grandson recently married to Alejandra Zermeno, and her family also links back to Mathias and Bernardina through Joseph Toribio Lepe and Manuela Brambila. Alejandra's Zermeno family settled in Juchitlan, Jalisco.  I have not had a lot of time to research this family, but if I find any clues on the parentage of Mathias, I will post on this forum.  Lee